Bus & Car Collision By Crow Lane Roundabout

August 22, 2013

[Updated] Commuters are facing traffic delays this morning [Aug 22] after a collision involving a bus and car by the Crow Lane roundabout. As of 8.45am traffic heading into town is backed up. We will update as able.

Car Bus Accident Bermuda, August 22 2013

Update 9.03am: The bus has moved, the damaged car remains on scene, and traffic is flowing.

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Update 12.11pm: The police confirmed that no one was injured, and said the roads were reopened at around 10am. The full police statement is below.

Police responded to a report of a collision in the area of Crow Lane Round-about this morning (Thursday) at around 8:35am. Details are sketchy but it appears that a PTB Bus was traveling into Hamilton and negotiating the roundabout when it collided with a car that was negotiating that same intersection.

As a result, there were major delays in the area with police on scene diverting traffic and investigating the circumstances around the collision. The roads were reopened at around 10am and no one was injured in this collision. Police are appealing for witnesses to this collision to contact police on 2950011.

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  1. for real says:

    they were prolly waving at Johnny Barnes

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  2. Moojun says:

    Hope no one was hurt. When they changed the signs a couple of years ago advising of the 7.30am-9.30am right of way for users of lane 1, they forgot to include the 'Except for buses' that the previous sign had. I guess the devil truly is in the details.

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    • Whistling Frog says:

      It seems to me that the bus driver thinks because they have the bigger vehicle the breaks don't apply in morning rush hour...

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  3. Fed Up says:

    Glad I missed that mix up. Wonder who is in the wrong for this one.

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  4. A. Little says:

    Whatever happened to 'Care, Caution and Courtesy'?
    Bus driver write 1000 lines, 'Care, Caution and Courtesy'.

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  5. Truth is killin' me... says:

    Take you time BUSES...you're big and full of people...children included!

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  6. Just Sayin says:

    This exact scenario was described on Everest DeCosta's Road Safety Show yesterday afternoon.

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  7. Come Correct says:

    Looks to me like the white car was supposed to give way.

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    • jussayin says:

      I think from 7 -9 a.m you dont have to just like ur not suppose to trun right at the end of east broadway to go up the one way. looks like the bus driver is just trying to jump into that lane as they usually do... both drivers seem not to have been aware of eachother

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      • Janet says:

        Remember, the buses coming round the roundabout need to get into Lane 1 in order to get to the bus stop at Crown Lane. This means they are going to have to cross over lanes as they make the turn and therefore traffic on Harbour Road in lane 1 needs to give way to the bus.

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        • Clive Spate says:

          This sounds the most likely scenario.

          The positioning of some of the bus stops (and accompanying zebra crossings) are ill thought out and dangerous.

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        • jenni says:

          Sometimes buses need to give way to,I have seen times a bus driver just pulls right out, I guess because they have give way on the back that would mean they can cross lane. Also I thought you only give way at that round about if you are going around towards the hospital and the lane coming from Harbour Road just continues. Please educate me as well.

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          • tired says:

            I have lost count of the number of times I've observed bus drivers running red lights, especially at the intersection of Burnaby and Church Street.

            I'm sick and tired of these drivers acting like they're above the law just because they drive the biggest vehicles.

            Just because they have a give way sign on the back doesn't give them the right to ignore the traffic laws.

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  8. Harold Godwinson says:

    Women drivers both of them.

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  9. The Fact says:

    Witnessed the accident. The white car was at fault as they forgot to give way to the bus.

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    • Preview says:

      Didn't think that buses had an exception to the right of way in the left lane during the posted times? Is that correct?

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      • inna says:

        they cant fit in just the right lane coming all the way around the round about, especially coming off of berry hill road

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      • Zombie Apocalypse says:

        The posted signs at the junction don't indicate any exception for buses. I'd say the bus driver was more at fault, since during 7.30-9.30 the left lane emerging from Foot of the Lane has right of way.

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        • Moojun says:

          The sign used to specify that the left lane has right of way between 7.30am and 9.30am 'except for buses'. The sign was enlarged about 2 years ago and at that time the 'except for buses' bit was omitted. So yes, I think you are correct.

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      • Janet says:

        Remember, the buses coming round the roundabout need to get into Lane 1 in order to get to the bus stop at Crown Lane. This means they are going to have to cross over lanes as they make the turn and therefore traffic on Harbour Road in lane 1 needs to give way to the bus.

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      • smh says:

        Every bus has a big @$$ sticker on the back that says GIVE WAY! Are they just for decoration?

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        • Sandy Bottom says:

          You mean the sign on the back of the bus? Are you serious? Dud you see the angle at which the bus hit the car?

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    • Eyes Wide Open says:

      Are you serious.. Who tries jump in front of a bus... I think they looking for compensation.. To the driver of the car.. You need to be taken off the road... Or take the rest over again. #realtalk

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    • Paulo says:

      How was the car at fault? The law specifically states that in rush hour you keep your lane at the roundabout, do not cross over. The bus is at fault. Bus drivers think because they have the bigger vehicle they always have the right of way. The same is at the bottom of King Street, if you don't allow the bus to change merge into the right lane when turning left onto Reid street the bus will just push you over. Bus drivers don't care. Which is why I drive very defensive. Drive as if the majority of persons can't drive. I honestly don't know how many people obtain their licences. Majority of people drive with tunnel vision. When you drive on the road you have to be concious of your surroundings, drive with 360 degree vision. TCD should implement mandatory classroom training sessions for an individual before they can even sit behind the wheel of a vehicle. Driving is more then just gas, braking, turning the wheel.

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  10. What Do You Think says:

    Oh I can beat the bus......CRUNCH. A driver with common sense even though the car driver may have had the right away, would have said nah I will stop or slow down. Almost everyone knows that buses coming out of the round about in that area will proceed to lane one no matter what. Someone didn't get the memo for rush hour

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    • Bermyman says:

      It was a little old lady. Busses fly through the inside lane and cut across to the outside lane before they have even exited the round about. They do not indicate and they frequently have no regard for the safety of other motorists.

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  11. Preview says:

    Buses repeatedly ignore the right of way of Harbour Road traffic at this junction during the posted times. I understand that they are presented with a definite challenge with merging left in order to get to the bus stop across from ISIS, however they still must abide by the same regulations as everyone else. A solution may be to give buses right of way at this traffic circle. Fortunate that it was a car and not a bike.

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    • SoMuchMore says:

      the buses can not stay in lane 2 when turning, their too big and will end up in lane 1.

      secondly as someone mentioned, the sign needs to be put back to indicate that buses will go into lane 1.

      people just take your time and remember it's you against a bus.

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      • ABM says:

        Yes they can. Seen it before and been on a bus that has done it.

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        • jussayin says:

          good for you lol doesn't mean they all do it or can

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        • Janet says:

          Remember, the buses coming round the roundabout need to get into Lane 1 in order to get to the bus stop at Crown Lane. This means they are going to have to cross over lanes as they make the turn and therefore traffic on Harbour Road in lane 1 needs to give way to the bus.

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          • Whistling Frog says:

            @ Janet: So does that mean the bus has the right to not take caution when crossing into lane one?

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          • ABM says:

            That may be true, but last I checked according to law if you wish to travel from Lane 2 into Lane 1, (all vehicles including buses) should use their indicater!
            As Zombie Apocolypse said "Buses DO NOT have any special right to get into lane 1 at that roundabout at that time in the morning."

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        • Eyes Wide Open says:

          @AMB What bus stop is in lane 2. Its quite obvious that the bus needs to go on lane one automatically.. Don't take much to decide that. #mustbelost

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          • Sandy Bottom says:

            Yes, they need to get into lane 1. But their is to do it safely, like anyone else would have to. Not by blindly driving like idiots.

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  12. FYI says:

    Sad part is many ppl do not give way to the buses. Please remind ppl that they are to give way to the buses. My car too small to play with bigger vehicles.

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  13. Stop Complaining for 1 Second says:

    Bus Drivers in general need a refresher in being road safety.
    There seems to be a belief amongst bus drivers that because they drive a very large vehicle that they can do as they please.

    1) Exiting the Bus Depot in the city of Hamilton, 2,3 or 4 buses will speed one behind the other, NOT stopping at crosswalk all while crossing into 2nd lane, missing other vehicles by inches sometimes

    2) Traveling down King Street to turn left unto Reid Street, the majority of buses once again stay in left lane until they reach junction and just cross over into right lane, no signal or caution

    3) Roundabouts seem to be the worst. I have seen many a driver enter the roundabout, ONLY to go around it slowly, and stopping to allow another bus to enter the roundabout.

    Lastly, SPEED, why do Buses need to be traveling at such a high rate of speed. The buses are TOO big to stop on a dime, and the fact that the majority of roads DO NOT have sidewalks, bus drivers need to use extra caution as there are lots of persons walking or running on our roads.

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    • KiddD says:

      1. When buses exist the bus depot they have the right away, it says give way to buses. The bus is too big to turn onto the road in just one lane.

      2. Buses can't turn off of king street onto Reid in one lane, once again they are too big. They stay in the left lane and move into the right once they get around the corner to avoid traffic coming in the other direction.

      3. Yea bus drivers do go round the roundabout slowly and stop to let other buses out, that's because buses are on a schedule and if you're late you not only mess yourself up but others too.

      BUSES HAVE THE RIGHT AWAY PERIOD

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      • Bermyman says:

        By Law Buses do not have right of way.

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      • ... says:

        when coming out of terminal it says keep clear not give way... keep clear I assumed meant while light was red not just because a bus is coming... there is a stop sign and by them pulling out without stopping first means they need a ticket for failing to stop

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    • Whistling Frog says:

      @ Stop Complaining for 1 Second: I totally agree with you...

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  14. Truth is killin' me... says:

    Busses as well as Heavy Trucks feel they own the road. I'm glad a child or baby was not sitting in the back seat. He or she may have been KILLED! Not impressed Mr. Bus Driver...not impressed!

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  15. RJKing says:

    From the picture the bus looks like was not at fault. White looks like they try to rush in before bus came. If you been in the western morning traffic. You would know. That you stop and give way to traffic coming from right.

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    • ABM says:

      Not true at all. If you are in the left lane during 7:30 - 9:30am hours, then you are not required to give way to any traffic from the right. You are to proceed without stopping.

      Know your law.

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    • Onion says:

      Umm no, it is posted lane one has the right of way from 7:30 - 9:30.
      That being said I would have given way to a bus coming as there is a bus stop just before the lights the bus needs to be in lane 1.

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    • Ha! says:

      Actually RJKing, the sign says give way to oncoming traffic EXCEPT between the hours of 7:30 and 9:30 am in the left lane. Realized this when I 1st moved to the west and had people blowing their horn at me because I actually did yield to traffic coming from the right.

      Read the signs people.

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  16. Accident: An event thats NOT supposed to happen! Stop the pickering and finger pointing the DAMAGE is done!

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  17. Just Sayin says:

    You are missing the point. There is a sign in both directions saying that between 0730 and 0930 traffic in lane 1 has the right of way. All traffic coming off the roundabout goes into lane 2. Buses are NOT exempt. However, courtesy says that the driver should give way to the bus, but they are not obligated.

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    • Janet says:

      Remember, the buses coming round the roundabout need to get into Lane 1 in order to get to the bus stop at Crown Lane. This means they are going to have to cross over lanes as they make the turn and therefore traffic on Harbour Road in lane 1 needs to give way to the bus.

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      • Toodle-oo says:

        Janet , I had to double check my Bda Island Guide map book just to be sure , and 'CROWN LANE' is in Warwick off of St Mary's Road. It wasn't a typo , you said it three times.

        Sorry , but incorrectly referring to this accident location as such needs to be corrected before , like all the other inaccuracies stated on these web pages , it becomes accepted as the truth .

        It's 'CROW LANE'

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      • Zombie Apocalypse says:

        Janet, If the bus needs to get from Lane 2 into Lane 1, then it should do so the same way anyone else would. Indicate, give way to traffic, and move in when there is a suitable gap. Not charge in like a lunatic risking everyone's lives. Buses DO NOT have any special right to get into lane 1 at that roundabout at that time in the morning.

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  18. swing voter says:

    right or wrong, u don't mess with a bus if yur driving a smaller vehicle. And some Bus Drivers just don't care which means extra caution if you value your asset.

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  19. Babs says:

    Bus driver nearly ran me off the road on North Shore Road early yesterday morning as he overtook a person on a pedal cycle. Not only did he put my safety at risk, but also that of the cyclist and the passengers on his bus. It didn't help that he was traveling at twice the speed limit! And what's with the bus drivers only using one hand on the steeting wheel?? You ever notice that the majority of them have the other hand resting casually on the fare collection unit while driving?? Speeding, bad attitude and recklessness ..... just a few of the reasons why I wont use public busses or allow my children to!

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  20. uncle sam says:

    Wasnt there just clarification from the RSC and Officer Lewis just yesterday on the Everest show, especially with this junction?

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  21. A F James says:

    I think that will teach the others not to ovretake the buses

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  22. Serious Though says:

    poor KIA SOUL! bless the Car SOUL!

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  23. Janet says:

    The Road Safety Council needs to make the public aware of, and reminded of the rules with regard to morning traffic. When entering the city from Harbour Road, the left lane does not need to stop and give way to traffic coming around the round about EXCEPT in the case of a bus that is going around the round about and entering into Hamilton. The buses need both lanes to make the turn, hence traffic needs to give way.

    Can the Council please confirm this is correct?

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    • Early Morning Traveller says:

      @Janet - Road Safety Council doesn't have to confirm anything - READ THE SIGN - it clearly states from 7.30 am to 9.30 am traffic travelling into Hamilton from The Lane have right of way to go into Lane One on East Broadway. It would be far better to insist that the ability to read and tell time is included within driving tests and bike riding tests. I faced a lot of verbal abuse the other morning from a gentleman who works for W & E on a bike who had failed to stop when coming off The Lane and this was before 7.00 AM.

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  24. Preview says:

    Conclusion appears to be that there is a significant amount of confusion as to who has right of way at that traffic circle between 7:30 and 9:30. Further complicating matters is the uncertainty concerning special rights afforded to buses. Far to much to digest that early in the morning.

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  25. Preview says:

    Bernews....can you secure and post an official position at to what the regulations are at this round about?

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    • Janet says:

      The Road Safety Council should in my opinion

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      • Early Morning Traveller says:

        @Janet - the Road Safety Council is not responsible. Everyone who has passed a driveing / riding test in Bermuda knows that when you approach a roundabout you give way to the traffice to your right. However, in order to prevent a back up of traffic during rush hour this has been waived for the time period 7.30 am to 9.30 am. What is so difficult for you to understand here ?

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  26. Truth is killin' me... says:

    Janet...you are wrong.

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  27. Triangle Drifter says:

    Seems like the law of tonnage won out on this one.

    Did anyone save any time trying to enforce their right of way?

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  28. Nikki says:

    Well I'll say I heard for sure yesterday on the Everest Dacosta show that left lane (lane 1) continues to move during that time....there was no mention of, except for buses! With that said, bus is at fault.

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  29. Gabbs says:

    Nikki go sleep ya boring.

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  30. Kim Smith says:

    I don't know why they cannot allow the Harbour Road traffic to proceed into town along Lane 1 at all times while the traffic coming from Point Finger and off Trimingham Hill simply proceeds into town along Lane 2. Most people are very confused about how they are to proceed or not and I am quite surprised that there aren't actually more accidents at that spot.

    When I made enquiries with W&E about that suggestion, they thought it was a good one but they said that the buses often need to cross over into Lane 1 to stop at the bus stop. Perhaps then right-of-way could be given to buses for that reason.

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  31. Youngster says:

    Can someone enlighten me as to why this area is called crow lane, I just got a pretty gruesome explanation, but I'm not sure if it's accurate.

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    • Toodle-oo says:

      If you can find anyone in this day and age under the age of 50 who knows the answer I'd be surprised. Hint, ask a few old timers and get more than one answer to corroborate them.
      And while you're at it , try and find out how 'Point Finger Rd ' got its name.

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    • Inspector Gadget says:

      What did that person say? Now you have me wondering!

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    • Mr. Happy says:

      "In 1730, a black slave Sally Bassett was publicly executed here. She was accused of poisoning a couple who owned slaves and was burnt to death. Sally is remembered in the island through folk songs. The Crow Lane Park is now part of the African Diaspora Trail that goes through various parts of Bermuda. "

      Quoted from de interwebz.

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  32. Nuffin but da Truth says:

    Bermudian Drivers...what can one expect...

    It would not be Bermuda if there was not at least one traffic incident every day.

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    • Dave says:

      Um ok because only traffic incidents take place in Bermuda?? silly comment......Nuffin But Truth

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      • Toodle-oo says:

        I never got the impression that he was implying that traffic accidents only happen here. I don't think any intelligent person would make that extrapolation.

        What I will say ,and what he might have meant , is that the standard of conduct on the roads here is so incredibly bad that it's a miracle that there aren't many more crashes .
        I'm pretty sure that there are about 25 - 30 RTA's a day but we don't hear about them all.

        A story you may not want to hear. My new neighbors from the US (yes, the bad old USA where there are no safe neighborhoods and nothing but traffic problems everywhere , yanno ..lol) said that they just can't get over the unbelievable conduct on the roads here. They traded in their bikes for a car as fast as they could for their own safety.

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  33. Terry says:

    The law is the law.
    Nothing to do with Road Safety Council et al.
    All these comments.
    The signs are there but are they at the other parts of the round-a-about.
    Nothing here. Move on.

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    • Preview says:

      Terry...

      What is the law? This would appear to be the question?

      There are all kinds of posts going one way or the other: bus is bigger than car thus bus wins, the buses have special rights as they are government vehicles and have a schedule to keep, buses can't maneuver in one lane and thus need both lanes? Many of these might be based on common sense but what is the law. Whose insurance company will end up paying in this particular instance.

      So should be conclude that buses are, legally:

      1) required to abide by the same traffic laws as everyone else and at this particular round about merge into lane 1 only when it is possible to do so, or

      2) the buses have a special right of way that supersedes the posted instructions.

      If 2) then the sign should be modified to reflect this and thus eliminate the guesswork.

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  34. RawOnion says:

    Most people on here commenting are CORRECT and some are wrong. Yes there was once a sign that said Harbour road traffic can continue into lane 1 onto Crow Lane without stopping of giving way to traffic. It also said to GIVE WAY TO BUSES. Somehow, someone neglected to include that last portion in the new sign, hence the confusion. The bus needs to get over into lane 1 at the roundabout to get to the bus stop and also due to the buses height and size, it cannot continue onto lane 2 and then safely cross over.

    I can guarantee you the sign will be replaced shortly with the GIVE WAY TO BUSES and maybe also large trucks. The drivers are trained with respect to the street signs to make that move into lane 1. MAny car drivers know this and will allow the bus to pass by during the morning rush but sadly, some either know and don't stop or just simply don't know and are lucky.

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  35. Triangle Drifter says:

    All you lot who think that buses & container trucks have supreme right of way need a reality check. They don't.

    Taxis have supreme right of way. If in doubt just ask any taxi driver or observe how they drive.

    On the round about, yes there is plenty wrong with it. It is too big. It needs to be made smaller so that lanes can be made a bit wider. Also the curb needs to be stepped so that the wheels of long vehicles & trailers taking an inside cut can roll up on the low curb.

    The SE part of the roundabout has been a killer for years with people not making the S turn to go up the hill & hitting the seldom used sidewalk.

    You really have to wonder about the engineers who design Bermuda roads. It is as if they have never been overseas to see how roads are designed & graded elsewhere.

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  36. sayitaintso says:

    Riding a bus for 7 years. Never had a bad driver, rude, but not bad driver. Car caused the accident today.

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  37. A. Little says:

    THE LAW BOOK.
    RULES OF THE ROAD.
    LEARNERS EDITION.

    Page One. Article One. Paragraph One. Line One.

    Thou shalt proceed with Common Sense, Care, Caution and Cortesy at all times, for thine own safety and others!!

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  38. Y-Gurl says:

    The majority of bus drivers are ignorant people who take the view "might is right" and are contantly pushing their way into traffic trying to bully them out of the way, the most obvious and dangerous case in point is when the bus leaves the badly designed bus termial on Washington Street, blows through the STOP sign at the top and ignores anyone trying to cross the street, and forces everyone to stop and "give way" then 90% of them ignore the red light and turn left onto Cedar Ave again forcing traffic to stop or preventing pedestrains from crossing, its quite apparent that they have no accountability and cannot be managed by their "managers"

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  39. Grand Wizzard says:

    THE POLICE HAVE TOLD ME EXPLICITLY ON NUMEROUS OCCASIONS THAT WE DO NOT HAVE TO YIELD TO BUSES AT ANY TIME OR PLACE IN BERMUDA. THAT IS A FOREIGN PRACTICE NOT APPLICABLE TO BERMUDA!

    BUS DRIVERS HAVE ALMOST KILLED ME AND RUN ME OVER MORE TIMES THAN I CAN COUNT. THEY ARE RECKLESS AND HAVE NO REGARD FOR HUMAN LIFE. THEM AND TAXI DRIVERS HAVE AN ATTITUDE THAT THEY CAN DO WHATEVER THEY WANT LIKE A JUGGERNAUT!

    YOU DO NOT EVEN HAVE TO GIVE WAY TO BUSES AT THE BUS TERMINAL. DO NOT BE FOOLED!!!!!

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  40. Grand Wizzard says:

    ONE TIME A BUS DROVE SO CLOSE TO ME ON A WIDE OPEN ROAD IN WARWICK, THAT THE BUS ACTUALLY BRUSHED MY SHIRT AS IT WENT BY AT ABOUT 40M MILES PER HOUR. IF I HAD BEEN A SINGLE INCH CLOSER I WOULD HAVE BEEN SHATTERED TO PIECES LIKE MEATLOAF!

    JUST TWO DAYS AGO A BUS DROVE SO CLOSE TO ME AT SPEED IT DROVE OVER THE 12 INCH STORM DRAIN I WAS STANDING ON! THAT MEANS IT WAS WELL UNDER ONE FOOT FROM MY BODY! ON A MAIN ROAD! WTF!

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  41. Near miss says:

    I actually had a bus driver speed up as I was getting out of the car and missed me by an inch - I guess I wasn't quick enough for him (shake my head)

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