Comments on: Police Confirm Shooting Victim Paralzyed

By: Fed Up Bermudian

Fed Up Bermudian — Wed, 01 Dec 2010 16:43:23 +0000

Um, no, sorry. Still makes them guilty of poor judgment and doesn’t excuse the word or its use OR the lack of respect, intelligence, or culture that it portrays. Someone being in a position of power doesn’t make them any better a human being than the rest of us, and doesn’t necessarily make them smart. You telling me that George Bush is intelligent and cultured because he was in a position of power? Seriously? Come on. Use better words, and own the responsibility of not having used particularly appropriate ones. That’s another big problem here, is OWNING what each of us DO. BECOME the change, model what you want Bermuda to be, don’t sit around cussing because it is NEVER appropriate. Those ‘world leaders’ to whom you refer…do you actually respect all of them? I have zero respect for Joe Biden, for instance. Because he’s in a position of power doesn’t make him any ‘smarter’ or more cultured than anyone else. Don’t let’s confuse power with propriety. The two rarely match.

Clearly you missed my point, clearly you’re one of those who doesn’t get it, and I suppose your preference is to denigrate yourself with use of such language and to assault the sensibilities of others. Swearing is used to fill a vaccum for those without manners or the ability to make their point in a more appropriate fashion. At least that’s what my momma said when I was growing up. VALUES, Dragging. THAT’s what we need instead of feeble defenses of inappropriate behaviour and speech.

Defend that, if you will. That’s part of the problem. How about just trying to do better?

By: bermyshotta

bermyshotta — Wed, 01 Dec 2010 16:33:20 +0000

@nameless – nah who said I was defendin his right to steal a bike. Course it’s wrong but still…ya gotta look at de bigger picture here. It was “allegedly” stolen by one of dem guys. And ya he still don’t deserve to be paralyzed regardless.

By: nameless

nameless — Wed, 01 Dec 2010 12:25:40 +0000

lol shotta, are you seriously defending his right to steal a bike? far be it from me to say that they deserve what they got, but crime is crime, and such an indifferent attitude towards the non-violent crimes breeds a climate in which violent crime is easier to become jaded to, and that’s not right.

By: bermyshotta

bermyshotta — Wed, 01 Dec 2010 05:05:23 +0000

@JohnQPublicEsc – another assumption yet again. forget de stolen bike…happens every day in bermy. everybody has a right to go wherever de hell they want to go in Bermy…dependin on de individual might be complicated sometimes but still…who know what they were doin but they still didn’t deserve what happened to dem. Besides um sure you ain’t perfect either…who are you to judge??

By: nameless

nameless — Tue, 30 Nov 2010 21:31:26 +0000

yes, even then.

By: nameless

nameless — Tue, 30 Nov 2010 21:30:10 +0000

You seem to know a few things about what went on. If you don’t go to the police with that information, you aren’t just part of the problem, but YOU PERSONALLY are allowing gang activity to go unreported. That’s on you.

By: Dragging A Lure

Dragging A Lure — Tue, 30 Nov 2010 21:06:25 +0000

Fed Up Bermudian,
Cussing in a manner that you feel is appropriate for the occasion does not perpetuates stereotypes that we’re all uncultured idiots with low intellect. I can name at least 10 world leaders that have been caught using the F word when they thought the mike was off and guess what? They were still in position the next day. No apolizies will be forthcoming for using that particliar word.

By: Fed Up Bermudian

Fed Up Bermudian — Tue, 30 Nov 2010 20:37:16 +0000

Agreed, and especially with the availability of anonymous informant lines. Who else would know? No one. And you’d be potentially giving the police a lead. Doing your good deed for the day. But getting back to the cussing…is it really necessary to make the point? Draggin’ has something to answer for in that regard, and only perpetuates stereotypes that we’re all uncultured idiots with low intellect. And the ‘we’ refers to Bermudians…we really have to raise the bar.

By: John Q Public Esq.

John Q Public Esq. — Tue, 30 Nov 2010 18:01:02 +0000

Okay so the victims probably aren’t a in a gang. But two guys, on a stolen bike, in a trouble area, at 5.30am??? Sounds as if they were up to no good. Sorry but it does – and I’m not saying they deserved to be shot – but I think it stinks. They sure as hell weren’t on de way to church!

By: Big Brother

Big Brother — Tue, 30 Nov 2010 17:48:25 +0000

Taking out Draggin’s cuse words, his points are very valid. Sisterdaughterfriend clearly knows something about this and she has not indicated any willingness to share what she knows with the police. That in inexcusable.

By: Big Brother

Big Brother — Tue, 30 Nov 2010 17:41:05 +0000

Excellent point made Dragging. Bermuda is indeed in denial and I think your comments to sisterdaughterfriend prove that.

By: Fed Up Bermudian

Fed Up Bermudian — Tue, 30 Nov 2010 16:18:48 +0000

I appreciate what sisterdaughterfriend was saying, but I disagree on one point- the problem IS also about ‘just a stolen bike’. I’m only 43 myself, but I remember when shocking headline news was a purse snatching or a photo of a little bye noosing a lizzid (that caused quite a stir about cruelty to animals). It SHOULD be a big deal that they were driving around with impunity on a bike stolen in August. It’s the ‘petty’ lawlessness that leads to bigger offenses. Of course I’m not blind to all the other underlying issues, and I agree with sisterdf that this is tragic in that these guys weren’t gang affiliates, but let’s look at how we all fly in the face of the law. No one respects it, there’s very little respect for the police, there’s almost no respect or consideration for one another. It’s rampant in the terms we use to address one another, it shows in the language we use in every day conversation- ‘f’ this and ‘f-ing’ that, and it even shows in our driving habits- when was the last time you let someone into a line of traffic, or buzzed closely and quickly past a pedal biker to make a point that you somehow have more right to the road than they do?

I can’t do much, but I can be the change I want to see, to be trite and quote Gandhi. I can model better behaviour. Will anyone else out there? It’s not much, but it’s what I can do. I won’t cuss in conversation. No one is ‘my nigga’ (nor should be anyone else’s!!!- I cannot STAND that word). I drive at limit, using my indicators, and try to be courteous. I still say good morning and actually mean it. These aren’t hard things, and you may all shoot at me for being simplistic, but these things are together nonetheless a small and achievable part of this solution. Oh- and I also speak up when I see something or know something wrong. Respect, people. For yourselves, and for others. It’s not hard, just different to what we have been doing.

By: Dragging A Lure

Dragging A Lure — Tue, 30 Nov 2010 14:35:26 +0000

sisterdaughterfriend,
I hope you shared that information with the authorities before you shared it with us. Especially #4. You appear to have a lot of information. Please don’t dig the hole deeper.

By: Bermuda Police confirm shooting victim is paralyzed | Bernews.com

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By: sisterdaughterfriend

sisterdaughterfriend — Tue, 30 Nov 2010 13:17:52 +0000

@Dragging a Lure

Let me make this clear to you… I am from from being in DENIAL…and I have no problem facing truth and relate. The only person insulting you is yourself. Let me give you some facts that you obviously don’t have a clue about or you obviously can’t read properly
1. Yes they were on a stolen bike…allegedly stolen by one of them not both in Aug from Butterfield & Vallis.
2. One of the victims allegedly didn’t know the bike was stolen (yes tht does happen maybe not in your perfect world)
3. They aren’t involved in GANG activicty
4. The shooters were after somone else not they victims(they were in the wrg place at the wrong time)
5. The reason y they were there is irrevlant
6. The real issue is the shooting/gang activity in the island NOT a stolen bike
Now if you need to know anything that your obvisiouly small mind can’t handle let me know and I have No problem letting you or anyone else know who has a problem with my comment

By: Another nameless...

Another nameless... — Tue, 30 Nov 2010 00:32:02 +0000

With due respect J Q P esq, we are WAY past the tipping point.
Like when our useless politicians referring to any given serious state we’re in talk about us ‘being at crossroads’ … We’re WAY past the point .
Have been for a long time .

We’re well on our way down the slippery slope . We really need to get out of denial and face up to just how bad things are.
Stop tip toeing around with wishy washy remarks like ‘If we’re not carefull , one day we’ll be …’
We already are !

By: areUserious?

areUserious? — Mon, 29 Nov 2010 22:12:44 +0000

@ Dragging a Lure ….I don’t think “sisterdaughterfriend” is trying to stir things up….if you look she was just answering questions posted from “terry” I’m sure that at the end of the day she is just as fed up as you and I about whats happening on the island…let’s have a healthy debate here instead of attacking one another about their comments/opinions…we are all unique and different so therefore we are going to think differently….name calling, cursing and “put downs” are not going to bring us any closer to a solution….@ the end of the day no matter what they did, and if it was because of as reported a “stolen bike” they did not deserve to be gunned down in such a manner…two wrongs don’t make a right…..

By: Dragging A Lure

Dragging A Lure — Mon, 29 Nov 2010 21:35:16 +0000

sisterdaughterfriend,
The crime was committed by people that are using any excuse to bring Bermuda to it’s knees. It has been reported that 10 shots had been fired. Who the far from perfect black males steal the bike from? Stop insulting us!!!!!! Get the F–k out of your denial. Your response is a disgrace to the Black Woman. You just pissed me and a lot of others off.

By: dhunte

dhunte — Mon, 29 Nov 2010 20:48:08 +0000

at that time of the am??

By: sisterdaughterfriend

sisterdaughterfriend — Mon, 29 Nov 2010 20:31:35 +0000

@Truth is killin me & Terry – the bike was stole yes, from a gang member NO & secondly the victims are NOT game members (they are far frm perfect but they are not gang members) and NO they didn’t have weapons on them

By: terry

terry — Mon, 29 Nov 2010 17:01:58 +0000

There is more to this than meets the eye.

Two guys on a stolen vehicle, aged 40 years. Wonder if weapons were found on them…………………………..

By: bernews

bernews — Mon, 29 Nov 2010 16:51:49 +0000

Sorry to keep posting, but here is a direct quote from the Police to clarify further: “The investigation is still in its early stages and while at this time the victims are not believed to be members of a gang, it is believed the incident itself may be gang related.”

By: Big Brother

Big Brother — Mon, 29 Nov 2010 16:37:56 +0000

The world is watching all of this. It pains me to say that the beginning of Bermuda’s death spiral has started. Bermuda’s reputation has past the point of “being at risk”…it has fallen, and if more is not done by the Community to halt this advancing disease, then it won’t take much to push things past the point of no-return.

By: Truth is killin' me

Truth is killin' me — Mon, 29 Nov 2010 16:33:34 +0000

The victims were on a stolen bike. Maybe they stole the bike from a gang member?

By: nameless

nameless — Mon, 29 Nov 2010 16:31:21 +0000

Ok, so if the shooters escaped on foot, SOMEONE had to have caught a glimpse of something. Gunshots are loud and startle people enough for them to go see what happened, and running away on foot isn’t exactly quick. Given that one of the men was paralysed, I would hope someone has the decency to at least report SOMETHING and allow him to know someone will be punished for ruining his life.
What an awful story.

By: bernews

bernews — Mon, 29 Nov 2010 16:26:41 +0000

Thanks for that note as looking at it, that wasn’t the best phrasing on our part. We edited and clarified a bit

By: no name

no name — Mon, 29 Nov 2010 16:20:00 +0000

that is truly sad.

By: John Q Public Esq.

John Q Public Esq. — Mon, 29 Nov 2010 16:05:02 +0000

All in all very sad for the continued rapid demise of Bermuda. We are balancing on the edge of a cliff and one more ‘event’ like this and we could be over.

By: John Q Public Esq.

John Q Public Esq. — Mon, 29 Nov 2010 16:02:46 +0000

Its pretty difficult to believe this is not gang related – even though it says above that “It is not believed that either man is a member of an identified gang.”