You just confirmed the mumble jumble.

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Drag

Ditto, also I’m having fun and at the same time watching the match between Arsenel and Barcelona. Great match so far.

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Drag

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You question Mr. Hayward’s motives and simultaneously rebuff anyone else who questions yours.

You’re getting close, but my question has not been answered regarding the land prior to 1920 and the current SDO. “to distract, detract and obfuscate” is coming from those that don’t appreciate my questioning of BEST.

Thank You Todd for the assistance

Drag

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Thanks for the compliments.

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Drag

Stop trying to flatter yourself .. You don’t ‘press buttons’ , you drop stink bombs and when you get called on it you change the subject and drop more ..

Cheers too sweetness

Rather than question the motives of the objector (shooting the messenger) why not refute his points one by one? If you disagree with his concerns explain why they are unfounded and/or incorrect.

In summary, we are contemplating an SDO that will help HSBC at the cost of (i)hurting every homeowner in Bermuda, (ii) hurting tourism, and (iii) hurting the workers at TPR. If this isn’t insanity, I don’t know what is.

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I believe it is CURE that raised the argument concerning the lands being taken away from blacks. BEST has argued about the evironmental losses and the financial losses. I believe BEST is arguing that adding the supply of 78 new homes in a falling market will cause homes prices in Bermuda to fall even further, hurting all homeowners, particularly those who are now having trouble making their mortgage payments and are worried that if their home falls any further in value (thereby reducing the equity in their home), the banks are more likely to foreclose. BEST’s other arguments are that if the SDO is not granted, then the creditors will appoint a receiver manager (as they did with Newstead/Belmont) to keep the operation running while they look for a buyer. The new buyer will be able to buy the hotel (estimated fair market value is $60 million) for much less then TR’s present debt ($150 million) thereby allowing the new owners to charge lower room rates and still make a profit, which means it will not only attract more tourists but will mean the present workers will have greater negotiating power to maintain or increase their present salaries. In other words, the granting of the SDO will (i)hurt all homeowners in Bermuda, (ii) hurt tourism and (iii) hurt the workers at TPR.

SDO will hurt Bermudians

The below information was copied from a BEST press release.

It would be appropriate for you to apologise to CURB.

BEST said they have at least five areas of concern, which appear below:

1) SDOs were designed to permit developments deemed to be of national importance, they were never intended to enable construction of speculative residential units. Such a use, as this appears to be, is an abuse of the SDO concept.

2) As this is a housing development that will, as we understand, encroach on possibly four conservation areas (nature conservation, woodland conservation, coastal conservation and cave conservation) there is every reason for the Bermuda public to have its rightful opportunity to view, comment and or object to the development. The issuance of an SDO effectively cuts out the plans from public scrutiny until after a decision is made. Such a process on major tracts of protected lands is anti-transparent and unjust.

3) If the previous SDO enabling the developer to build on Ship’s Hill has not had the economic effect that was used to browbeat the then government into permitting, what confidence can there be that this will prove different. This is particularly pertinent given the recent economic distress at Newstead/Belmont Hills.

4) This area, as we understand it, includes lands from which mostly black families were forceably removed in the 1920s to enable the promotion of tourism. It is a betrayal to now allow these lands to be sold off as real estate.

5) It increasingly appears that tourism facilities are morphing into real estate speculators and selling off Bermuda land some of which is zoned specifically for tourism purposes. The Bermuda government should be using its powers to prevent rather than assisting such behaviour.

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Drag

If you took out the time and read what I wrote you would notice that there is no indication that I support the PLP or SDO. I’m merely stating my opinion on Mr. Hayward’s and BEST statement regarding the land owned by Black People prior to 1920.

So why are you acting so ingnorant or is it your subjective bias?

It is so easy for Drag to push the right button and behold they all come out of the woodwork.
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PLEASE don’t let this SDO be approved. It will be a massive loss for Bermuda in terms of loss of open space, loss of respect for our Government, loss of respect for Tuckers Point and a lack of support for Bermuda’s Tourism product and it will only bring TPR into more financial debt. You don’t get out of a hole by digging more.

If TPR is not financially viable now – it won’t be after you waste time, money and land to develop further.

Let TPR go into bankruptcy if need be – someone can buy it out of bankruptcy for cents on the dollar then it’ll be financially safe and no land will be wasted.

Rosewood – please don’t take the precious land we have left on this small island.

But it is not. The PLP is in power & this is 100% a PLP deal, already done. The only deals made with the PLP which are regularly broken are those with the BIU or big PLP supporters.

The PLP have proved time after time that “we don’t care what you think”. The ‘YOU’ is increasingly more than just who they consider to be UBP supporters. The ‘YOU’ these days is anyone who disagrees with the heirarchy of the PLP.

Look around at the homes of many PLP heirarchy. They have little concern for the enviroment. Their property is smothered & covered in concrete. The former Premier’s house is an excellent example.

If you voted PLP at the last election, or the one before, YOU are responsible for Bermuda’s sad state of affairs today. What are YOU going to do about it? When is the protest in front of Alaska Hall?

Some magic hand is not going to come down from the heavens to clean up the mess you created with your vote.

The above is one of the five (5)concerns that BEST had put forward in a previous press release to the public.

1) I believe that Mr. Hayward should explain to us (when did he “Understand that some of the lands was forceably removed from mostly black families in the 1920’s)

2) If he had previous knowledge of those activities, why he and BEST have not made a concerted effort to have those lands returned to the present day descendants.

3) What is Mr. Hayward and BEST’s motive for relating the subject to the SDO.

I believe that the statement is political motivated and disingenuous.

I’m no fan of the UBP but if it were them, all types of s&*t will be happening to stop the influx of foreign ownership/development of protected green spaces.