Comments on: Online Petition Started To Ban Dark Visors

By: andre

andre — Wed, 04 May 2011 23:33:07 +0000

why do we always look to passing a law to fix our problems?

By: Changing Status

Changing Status — Wed, 04 May 2011 12:08:14 +0000

i agree, what is removing a tinted visor gonna stop when you can easily put a pair of shades and a scaf on? the many will end up suffering for no reason at all.

By: Changing Status

Changing Status — Wed, 04 May 2011 12:02:58 +0000

I support Intelligence and their opinion. its rediculous that they should try to ban this when the shootings are done at night anyways! you still won’t see their faces!!and have you seen the size of shade that are popular now? they practically cover half your face anyways, soon they’ll be banning that too… and what about full face helmets? shall we ban that too because it covers the face up and we won’t be able to see potential murderers? f*** what might happen to your face should you have a serious accident.

common people, be realistic and understand, the government is stupid and weak, and rather than go look for the people head on, they’re going to strip us of our rights until we’re walking naked in the streets.

By: Lissa

Lissa — Tue, 03 May 2011 12:47:45 +0000

Get a room Scott and Nicole. LOL!!!

By: Lissa

Lissa — Tue, 03 May 2011 12:43:03 +0000

A little late to the game. Most helmets have to visors. A tinted visor for day and a clear visor for night. So yes at night you remove the tinted visor.

By: shamel

shamel — Mon, 02 May 2011 21:48:01 +0000

but then if you go out and wear the tinted helmet to do the crime, this legislation could give police reason to stop you and see what’s goin on…whether you care about the law or not, it gives them a reason ‘care’ about you

By: shamel

shamel — Mon, 02 May 2011 21:43:14 +0000

@J Galt: so the value of all the tinted helmets in bermuda is greater than the value of one human life? that’s pretty messed up.

that being said, i doubt this will deter the people who are killing our children – but it does take away one of the tools that allows them to do so anonymously, and it does give the man another indicator of whether they should stop someone or not…cause if dark visors were banned and someone was seen wearing one, they’d get stopped and have to explain themselves.

anyway, i’ve rode a bike for years and i agree – stop moaning and put some shades on!

By: Let's think about this...

Let's think about this... — Mon, 02 May 2011 15:16:22 +0000

Wow – the comments on here are both “deep” or REAL “shallow”. I mean, really, think about what you are saying before you post it. The intention is to ban full faced dark tinted visors that conceal the entire face. And yes, perpetrators can cover their faces with a scarf or ski mask, but that would look suspicious and raise concern, no?

We have rules about tinting our car windows for similar reasons – why not make it the same for bike helmets?

Furthermore, I commend this family for taking a stand and trying to do something to help eliminate this violence. All of you are in an uproar when someone gets shot and complain to no end that something needs to be done, then when a family really tries to do something you shoot them down too. All you are concerned about is bugs hitting your precious face, or how much you spent on your helmet – stop being so selfish and look at it for the betterment of our Island home.

Give me a break!

By: LOL (original)

LOL (original) — Mon, 02 May 2011 14:03:16 +0000

Should read “are some” Line 2.

LOL

By: Scott

Scott — Mon, 02 May 2011 13:51:09 +0000

LOL exactly.. you were comparing car tint to visor tint because you seem upset you cant have the tint…not becasue of how you feel about murderers. now you’re starting to get it.

By: Scott

Scott — Mon, 02 May 2011 13:49:06 +0000

funny though, i just saw the governors car yesterday, and it has no tint in it..just a faint blue color. was going to take a pic for you.

By: Scott

Scott — Mon, 02 May 2011 13:47:57 +0000

one idea would to make our prison more of a punishment for repeat offenders at least, to get a gang task force, and if they know who these guys are, put pressure on them.

personally i think that would have a lot more effect then banning a visor.

By: Scott

Scott — Mon, 02 May 2011 13:46:15 +0000

You miss the point it seems. People gainst this petition are not saying they dont care about other parts of the community.. or they think it wont spread..etc etc… its that they think it will do nothing to help the situation, so why do it? Why start stripping the rights/privileges of the public if it will not have any effect? I am sure a lot of people would support this is they felt it would do anything, but the govt seems to have a “shooting from the hip” mentality that usually fails terribly.

if you honestly think it would do something, then great… but dont us who are against it that we dont care about the community simply because we dont have the faith in this ban that you do. There are a lot of “banning” things that we could do that would have a greater effect.. but they would be TOO inconveniencing to people it seems..so it looks to me that people are just trying to ban something they dont use anyway… and yes..it does appear to me that almost all people who support this ban drive cars…

By: Scott

Scott — Mon, 02 May 2011 13:37:07 +0000

>.< yes i am bermudian…

and to be honest there was a shooting, and i remember the police asking for a week just for the make/model of the bike used….

i would support if i thought it would change naything or make things easier… but i just dont think it will, and im not going to support randomly inconveniencing the public simply because the criminals use something we all do.

And if htey just want to allow half visors too..thne thats ok..

but when someone told me they'd like to ban full face helmets entire, which takes away from a lot of peoples safey, and then goes and says "if cars cant have it, nor should bikes", i start whether anyone else really thinks this would do anything.

By: LOL (original)

LOL (original) — Mon, 02 May 2011 13:29:12 +0000

So you don’t put time in with your kids on school work? My kids go to public school and are doing exceptionally well in fact they are so of the youngest taking the GCSC as a result of taking time out of my busy schedule to make sure work is done correctly and legibly. If you work with your kids the education system isn’t as broken as some think.

LOL

No not Warwick A. who you callin names you are the one not investing in your kids future.

By: youth voice

youth voice — Mon, 02 May 2011 13:28:41 +0000

GUNs are banned n they still use them! Drugs r banned n they sell them come on now dnt make the innocent suffer!! N if dark visors are banned they wa just wear scarfs n ski
Mask come on now!! Think!

By: Bermudian Thinker

Bermudian Thinker — Mon, 02 May 2011 00:20:09 +0000

You can see the point in both sides, the problem is many will be punished for the actions of a few. Though the tinted visor, is a relatively small thing it is still somewhat encroaching on the freedoms of the innocent. Is it right for the masses to be punished for the acts of the few is the real question at hand. Yes it is a fact that they have used tinted visors to avoid identity in the past. Though as many of you have stated before it will only lead to these parties using something else. Then the tinted visor ban would be for no reason at all. Yes it may save a life, but at what cost? What will be next, ban on bikes? Then a ban on push pedals, instituting curfews, it can spiral out of control. Yes, I understand it is a relatively small thing the ban on visors, but I am talking about the impact it could have.
The really problem is the inadequacies of our police department. We have subpar officers with subpar equipment. The police in Bermuda are a joke, we are suppose to have one of the highest police to population rate in the world. An overhaul needs to be done and real assessment of the Police force needs to take place. I know most are opposed to it, but we import some British or American police members on a 1-2 year contract (so they don’t get to know anyone) and have them come do the dirty work. Bermuda is to small to police itself because everyone knows everyone. The broken windows theory that was used in New York in the 1990’s needs to be employed here in Bermuda. This is the solution that attacks the problem not beat around the bush at things that have no really solution. A clean up needs to be done and people who are unattached to the society needs to do it, because we are perpetuating this problem! Lets stop these killings with some really solutions.

By: Everyonefor themselvesuntil..

Everyonefor themselvesuntil.. — Sun, 01 May 2011 17:55:35 +0000

@LOL.. you are stupid! Valued education? Warwick Academy graduate are you? .. if I remember correctly, OUR education system failed a lot of young men/women 8 years ago…. and your concern here is what??…. “we should not have to ban trendy things like tinted visors.”

By: Everyonefor themselvesuntil..

Everyonefor themselvesuntil.. — Sun, 01 May 2011 17:40:16 +0000

Wow! such a pessimist! What’s your big plan and contribution??

By: Everyonefor themselvesuntil..

Everyonefor themselvesuntil.. — Sun, 01 May 2011 17:36:08 +0000

@ Sorry.. that is just the point- You don’t know or have a solution BUT you know it won’t work! Perfect.. you can predict.. ! It never cease to amaze me- You worry about your right/privilege to wear a frigging tinting helmet!! How about your right to walk the streets and not worry about you or others getting shot at?? I think you all seem to believe that it will never reach you in your ‘nicely tucked away homes and apt’ wake up dreamers, once these gangs are finished offing each other- anyone CAN and will become a target.
you and Scott are peas in a pod.. Enjoy your pods.. screw the rest of the crop..???

By: Everyonefor themselvesuntil..

Everyonefor themselvesuntil.. — Sun, 01 May 2011 17:08:33 +0000

Scott, are you Bermudian? Because if you are you should think less of your comforts and more of your country at large.. NO ONE knows what will stop these shooters BUT we do know that they wear these types of helmets to commit the crimes.. if one of your family member gets shot by someone wearing one of these… I wonder if you would feel the same way when you don your “tinted helmet” to keep out the bugs and sunlight!! FACT is, they wear it, eliminate that option that enables them!

By: Everyonefor themselvesuntil..

Everyonefor themselvesuntil.. — Sun, 01 May 2011 17:00:50 +0000

Thank You! the keep the bugs and sun out of my face users seems to miss that point.. People its about taking away the comfort zone of the perpetrators..

By: Everyonefor themselvesuntil..

Everyonefor themselvesuntil.. — Sun, 01 May 2011 16:53:52 +0000

Seriously? I have read all the comments and I just cannot believe the way some individuals are thinking! It is always about me, me, me.. bugs in my eyes, love my tinted visor keeps the sun out, it wont stop the shootings etc… UNTIL it hits YOUR family and friends !!!!.
I think we are intelligent people (I hope)and I support the ban of ALL frigging visors point blank. The killers are wearing these, we don’t want to look like them, we have to make them STAND out, look different so they can be easily spotted- it’s just common sense.
Get over your selfish selves and think about helping to do something to make a difference in your community and stop blaming the police, government.Start by looking at SMALL ways we can eliminate the comfort ZONE of these shooters and invest in a good pair of sun glasses- we use to manage quite well without helmets without visors before and its a very small sacrifice on our part to assist in apprehending these wrong doers!!! Everyone is caller for “someone” to do something, to ‘stop this madness” What part are you playing?? The decisions YOU make today, will determine OUR destiny tomorrow! Are we so spineless that we will allow a handful of misguided young men/women with the help of “someone in a suit” (because there has got to be a head man here”) to destroy and send a beautiful country in fear. Get off your a$$es, leave your custom built houses and dinner parties and get involved!!We are ALL affected!

By: Rockfish#1 and#2

Rockfish#1 and#2 — Sun, 01 May 2011 05:12:44 +0000

This is an indication of the level of frustration felt by a growing segment of the population.Amongst other things,many are simply getting to the point of lashing out at any effort to place more restrictions on them.
It is difficult not to notice how impatient and intolerant we are becoming. Hopefully, common sense and cool heads will prevail, if not???
At the risk of sounding like a disciple crying in the wilderness, we must pass any apparent gang related information to the BPS,or if we are uncomfortable with this, talk to a pastor,preacher, evangelist,worship leader, Rabbi, Bishop etc. and maybe he/she will have a private/confidential talk with a member of the BPS.
That being said, certain members of the BPS must either learn or take a refresher course in how to conduct themselves when doing vehicle stops etc. They seem to operate under the premise that anyone they stop must be guilty of SOMETHING, and get annoyed when they are proven wrong! This is NOT a good way to gain public confidence/trust.

By: Da truth

Da truth — Sun, 01 May 2011 03:36:04 +0000

I think that if the they ban dark visors their will be more murders because once the victim sees the killer the killer would want to make sure the victum is dead.

By: Triangle Drifter

Triangle Drifter — Sun, 01 May 2011 01:21:59 +0000

230 comments over tinted helmet visors……UNBELIEVABLE!

By: A-non-no-mas

A-non-no-mas — Sun, 01 May 2011 01:10:18 +0000

intelligence isn’t too intelligent lol

ignorant bermudians… always complaining about something that isnt important..

LAY DOWN “Intelligence” . No one cares what you think

By: mik3

mik3 — Sat, 30 Apr 2011 20:22:35 +0000

This has got to be the dumbest thing I’ve even heard to date regarding a fix for crime. Ban dark visors??? I don’t need half of Bermuda watching me ride the same road everyday. Plus I like dark visors because it blocks the sun. I can’t believe the people that run this country and this new minister actually supports it???? WTF. I think some sensible people need to form another party and get rid of UBP, PLP, BDA, OBA… Cause this is some serious bullcrap

By: J Galt

J Galt — Sat, 30 Apr 2011 16:32:35 +0000

“If this law was passed and only one person was saved a bullet in the head would it be worth it?”

No.

By: Can you handle this

Can you handle this — Sat, 30 Apr 2011 15:32:12 +0000

My comment was directed at the right person..no need to involve Government here and just as you at times spe nothing but drivel I too can post what I like. However, your view of anything is actually nothing to worry about as you seem to take issue and nitpick with anyone who is not on the same page as you..If the a Law passes than so be it..we are slowly becoming a “dictatorship island” anyway…pretty soon we will be told what color “undies” to wear each day of the week..My opinion, your opinion whose to say which is right..but we as a whole will never get it right because we have certain individuals such as yourself that don’t don’t respect others opinions… Signed…Gucci

By: Cedar Beams (Original)

Cedar Beams (Original) — Sat, 30 Apr 2011 14:19:55 +0000

I think perhaps the people starting the petition have their hearts in the right place. However, I don’t think it will make any difference and just be another law that can’t possibly be enforced.

Like loud sound on bikes. Tint on cars. Wrong colour fog lights. Loud car stereos. Texting at the wheel. Seat belts. Speeding. Talking on a cell-ya phone. Use of fog lights as head lights. Side lights made a different colour, Headlights made a different colour. Tail lights made a different colour. Going thru stop signs at speed, going thru stop lights at speed. Oversize parts on a bike. Oversize parts on a car. Tyres sticking out from wheel well. That’s enough for now.

By: mixedup

mixedup — Sat, 30 Apr 2011 13:39:15 +0000

all i can say is be careful what you wish for. If they ban visors, next it will be baggy clothes, cuz you might be hiding a weapon, or ban heavy jewelry cuz it might be used to inflict damage, or banning dark colored vehicles, cuz they cant be easily seen at night, or….,you get the point. I refuse to give up my civil liberties for the actions of a few! Banning visors is a desperate reaction for desperate people, and i can almost understand the logic, but I’m not willing to give in to desperate ideas, especially when they invade on my personal rights! Ban visors and they will just use a scarf! Come on people!

By: Mr T

Mr T — Sat, 30 Apr 2011 11:22:28 +0000

If you were s cop for a day? Join then! Instead of ranting on here join the police and fix it in a day……..I’m thinking you won’t.
I agree with Nicole your a moron, wear a clear visor or if you are so able to fix all this shit get off your ass and do something if you think it’s so easy, now it’s started you’ll unfortunately never it end as these gangs are recruiting and training low lives everyday!

By: Bermudian

Bermudian — Sat, 30 Apr 2011 06:12:15 +0000

I’m sorry, do you feel like forking over $800+ for special prescription shades for my eyes?? I didn’t think so. Next time you reply to my post…actually take time to think about it before posting back.

By: sorry..

sorry.. — Sat, 30 Apr 2011 05:46:17 +0000

as far as i know, tint in the front of a car is illegal in the states.

By: sorry..

sorry.. — Sat, 30 Apr 2011 05:45:16 +0000

fine..perhaps not hte majority would be affected directly…but the fact that a right/privilege has been taken is inconveniencing to all, regardless of whether they follow through.

as for solutions.. lets put it this way, i dont know how to make a “slipper nipple” shot, but i do know that black seal will not be part of it. I dont know what hte solution is, but i do feel that this will not help.

By: sorry..

sorry.. — Sat, 30 Apr 2011 05:41:52 +0000

and why not just acth the ferry instead of the car then if thats your logic? i bike should just leave ht ebike at home, but a car driver should drive their car cause they have it?

By: sorry..

sorry.. — Sat, 30 Apr 2011 05:41:08 +0000

perhaps the average 150cc bike is 6000… but you’re assuming that 150cc is the average size bike… which it isnt…

By: sorry..

sorry.. — Sat, 30 Apr 2011 05:39:43 +0000

i agree wiht your point… if it would help find them then yes i would go with it… in my opinion though, i dont think it will do that.

By: DB

DB — Sat, 30 Apr 2011 02:44:50 +0000

Good day all, this has gotten way out of had everyone on here has very good points. But with all due respect to those who have lost loved ones this will not solve anything but in some ways make things worst for the law biding people.

1. The way the island is place on or wonderful planet we have the disadvantage almost aways driving in towards the sun,more so if you are coming from the west end you will get it in the morning and the evening. Riding a motorcycle with a tinted visor reduces the chances of getting in an crash, where u can be hurt and or killed.

2.The helmets of today are not designed for you to wear shades, for one they dont all ways fitwhile the helmet is on , and 2 in a bad crash you have a good chance of losing your eyes.

3. What next do we ban scotters or bike for that matter, and hey what about tinted cars.

There has to be a line drawn somewhere, most people know what there love ones are doing sometime they dont think its right. but let encourage them to stop this madness.Because Bermuda is becoming very unliveable and its not just the killings,a lot is to do with all the changes and sacrfices we law bidding people have to go throught for these select few criminals.

Take care all and May God Bless Bermuda and her People.
Peace

By: Fallen Soldiers

Fallen Soldiers — Sat, 30 Apr 2011 02:29:07 +0000

Banning tinted visors may not be the answer all by its self because chances are those that are shooting at night don’t have a tinted visor on BUT, if it is banned and I see someone with one on during the day, it would make them stand out like a roach in a bowl of rice.

If it was banned and I see two people on a bike with tinted visors on during the day, I may notice them sooner and move.

If it was banned and someone with a tinted visor rides by police officers they would know that person is up to no good. I’m sure in one or two of these shootings the individuals have passed a police car with out being stopped.

The ban may not stop shootings but, it may help to prevent some and make it more difficult and to say don’t do something that may help, you may as well say let the violence continue.

A clear visor will stop any bug, rain or dirt the same as a tinted visor. I live in the west so when I go to work and from work to home I am always heading into the sun so I know how bad it is and how bad it isn’t and I ride bike car and van. So why be selfish and more concerned about a tinted visor then stopping the shootings.

How would you feel knowing someone shot at you or your family and got away with it because their face was hidden behind a tinted visor and couldn’t be identified by an eyewitness in the area?

I say try it if it doesn’t work the law can always be relaxed or changed, just as traveling at 50k has been because by law its still illegal but police normally don’t even point a radar at you or ticket people for doing 50k.

It won’t hurt. I say ban tinted visors.

By: DB

DB — Sat, 30 Apr 2011 02:23:07 +0000

yup lol

By: huh?

huh? — Sat, 30 Apr 2011 00:55:43 +0000

I’m sorry, I thought you were bitching about parking.. but clearly you were just bitching. I hope you are not really the ignorant, angry little person in real life that your posts suggest you are.

Might I suggest a few remedial classes on basic math, economics/business, spatial relations, and logistics.

Then call up your insurance company and ask them about the reason for the differential on insurance rates for cars vs bikes.

Maybe for fun, imagine this: every bike rider is replaced by another car driver. What do you think would happen to the price of parking in Hamilton then?

By: Nicole

Nicole — Sat, 30 Apr 2011 00:43:04 +0000

Hahaha Scott STOP you are beyond ridiculous. You are comparing a ban on tint on cars(when most murders an crime are committed by people on bikes) and being allowed to have tint on visor helmets to me wanting to ban ice cream because hypothetically you could eat it and I couldn’t? What is wrong with you? You have now upgraded from comparing apples and oranges to comparing apples and tomatoes.

By: Nicole

Nicole — Sat, 30 Apr 2011 00:38:10 +0000

I know that “It is what it is” but apparently Scott is clueless to that fact. It doesn’t matter if it’s to transport victims to safe houses, his whole point was/is that no one can see out a tinted car window which is so ridiculously wrong.

By: Nicole

Nicole — Sat, 30 Apr 2011 00:35:35 +0000

I do worry about myself, thank you however if you don’t want people to “worry” about you I suggest you not discuss your personal dilemma on a public forum. So once again you don’t need GUCCI shades to shield your eyes. So I suggest you tell the Government not to “worry about you” should they pass this into law.

By: Nicole

Nicole — Sat, 30 Apr 2011 00:25:30 +0000

Are you slow? It doesn’t matter what it’s for and that wasn’t your point. You tried to say that no one can see through dark tint at night when cars around the globe do it everyday. It’s not an assumption when it’s a fact! You will say anything to excuse your utter stupidity.

By: K-dub

K-dub — Fri, 29 Apr 2011 23:34:49 +0000

I respectfully submit that, while on the surface its a great idea and theoretically should allow us to see these criminals…it will not work. These killers are of a different mentality – they already use weapons that are illegal, so wearing illegal visors will have zero impact on their already criminal actions. It will be like the banning of hoodies – you’ll just have the same crimes and criminals, but hoodless and without tinted visors. No bueno.

By: Black Jesus

Black Jesus — Fri, 29 Apr 2011 22:37:32 +0000

@Scott – you are clueless. People drive in Canada and the States with dark tint on their car windows all the time. Having tint doesn’t make it impossible to see at night. You must be visually impaired.

By: Black Jesus

Black Jesus — Fri, 29 Apr 2011 22:33:35 +0000

@Scott – First of all, the majority of Bermuda doesn’t wear dark-tinted visors, so therefore you’re wrong when you say it will “inconvenience the majority of Bermuda”.

With everything you said, I still have yet to hear any solutions or anything close to a solution.

Lets talk less about what wouldn’t work and lets talk more about what will work. Any suggestions Mr or Ms Scott? I didn’t think so.