Comments on: Salaries: What Exactly Do Politicians Make?

By: crazytalk

crazytalk — Wed, 18 May 2011 17:14:22 +0000

If they want a contruction manager they should hire one. Not a self-interested double-dealing person who is supposed to be a public servant.

By: codfish89

codfish89 — Wed, 18 May 2011 06:44:12 +0000

plp is a non-proformance govt,overspend our money,put Bda in the red,plus to add insult to injury they are high maintenance govt with nothing to show for this.Bermuda is the only island havnt improve their tourism nor put a hotel since they came into power.This is embarassing plus not to mention the sickening killing and increase of crime.Come on are u all blind to see the truth of this inefficient and self interest bunch of ppl who are oblivious to all our problem..They are still high flying enjoying exorb.salaries with no shame.

By: In General

In General — Tue, 17 May 2011 19:20:23 +0000

I thought we do provide housing for the Premier, it is called Clifton. Prior to that it was Camden House. I believe she is looking to move into the residence in the near future.

By: stop the BS

stop the BS — Tue, 17 May 2011 14:34:31 +0000

Denis project managed for TCD and we all know how that woked out for the tax payer!

By: stop the BS

stop the BS — Tue, 17 May 2011 14:32:09 +0000

Bryan you say the UBP caused many of the problems facing Bermuda today, could you be more specific and also tell us specifically what the PLP has done in 12 years to fix them. Surely you do not expect the public to feel good about Zane being the project manager at the new hospital! You have a very short memory.

By: crazytalk

crazytalk — Tue, 17 May 2011 14:30:34 +0000

LaVerne, “Independant Committee”? You know, that’s the funniest comment yet.

But anyway, thanks a million (or should I say thanks a billion) for coming on and letting us all know how ‘fair’ your compensation is. Although, I guess that’s what you would say, isn’t it.

Still, it’s interesting to see the plp cashing in. When the chips are down, it’s obvious they’re just in it for the money.

By: crazytalk

crazytalk — Tue, 17 May 2011 14:24:31 +0000

So… it’s ‘your turn at the trough’ is it?

By: Paycuts & the Premier « "Catch a fire"

Paycuts & the Premier « "Catch a fire" — Tue, 17 May 2011 12:55:48 +0000

[...] the Cabinet and the Premier, should also make similar sacrifices, even if merely symbolic. In Premier Cox’s Easter address<; to the country she rather infamously ruled out even entertaining such an idea with some poorly [...]

By: bda for life

bda for life — Tue, 17 May 2011 12:46:25 +0000

Laverne Furbert quit it and just admit that the Brown led govt and now the Cox led govt is sending us spiriling out of control. You act like the plp has done no wrong yet the island is suffering in levels never seen before

By: joe

joe — Tue, 17 May 2011 12:19:23 +0000

Oh! But you are all forgetting the other stuff. These people pay no taxes on their salaries like we do; no pension contributions; no health insurance. EB also a housing allowance, staff, entertainment allowances, etc. They get cars, gas and insurance for which they pay nothing. So what’s all this costing? I would say EB pulled in an other 20K/month. So, when someone writes an article like this they should get all the facts down first, not just the obvious ones. After all, in Bermuda today it is about the stuff we don’t know about (and they don’t want us to know about) that is most interesting.

By: LaVerne Furbert

LaVerne Furbert — Tue, 17 May 2011 09:40:42 +0000

I am the only senator who “takes home an additional salary” from the BIU. However, all other senators “take home” additional income from other sources. That also goes for all Members of Parliament, PLP, UPB, and OBA, including MP Butler.

By: Bryan

Bryan — Tue, 17 May 2011 09:32:58 +0000

Finally someone is talking sense! The greed is obvious and self evident regardless of whether the politicians admit it or not ( which they won’t.. duh.)
Yes the UBP did cause a lot of the problems currently facing Bermuda but having said that, most UBP members where already financially sound by the time they entered politics so the hunger was not as acute as the hunger of today’s crop of political talent. And while there are still some in Bermuda’s Government who actually give a damn about Bermuda on the whole there is a culture of greed and avarice which will only be redressed by changing the motivation for entering the political arena, ie… Join the political process for the betterment of the community instead of the betterment of your Social /Economic standing. There is nothing wrong with someone being paid for their services but if you are financially sound then maybe you can set the example and take less pay and still serve the community. I challenge any DECENT member of Bermuda’s government to make that stand.

By: Bryan

Bryan — Tue, 17 May 2011 09:13:54 +0000

Easy…they make the laws that allow the committee to set their pay scale. If you are in charge then you call the shots!

By: Brian

Brian — Tue, 17 May 2011 02:04:28 +0000

Zane Desilva is health minister because they are building a new hospital. He is a construction boss. Hello!! He is there to act as a project manager. Plain and simple.

By: Ring Master

Ring Master — Tue, 17 May 2011 01:51:37 +0000

@Hmmmmm. You stated above the salaries are peanuts. You then said if you pay peanuts you get monkeys. So using your own words we have must have monkeys running Bermuda. Interesting you disparage the PLP Governement in such a way, but that is free speech. Then there is Dale Butler saying the salaries paid to MPs are too much which is why they cannot vote against the Government. So are they paid too much as per Dale, or too little as per you? Don’t forget many MPs and Senators also take home additional salaries from other sources such as the BIU.

By: Hmmmmm

Hmmmmm — Tue, 17 May 2011 00:15:29 +0000

talk about missing the point. if you paid better you’d get better than you have now. just for the record Zane’s not meant to be a doctor as the minister of health.

By: PEPPER

PEPPER — Mon, 16 May 2011 21:58:20 +0000

Black Pride….your name says it all !!!! it is ok with you to be robbed by govt because they are black …and to hell with the peoples needs …..I hope there are not any more people out there that think like you.

By: 32n64w

32n64w — Mon, 16 May 2011 21:47:35 +0000

Saving taxpayers money? Really, are you serious? Have you checked our national debt figure recently?

By: Stephen

Stephen — Mon, 16 May 2011 21:37:11 +0000

Comparing the POTUS to the Premier if Bermuda is comparing apples to oranges. A president’s salary is minuscule in comparison to what they bring in afterwards going on public speaking tours. That being said, the fact that Bermuda’s ministerial salaries are even remotely close a country with a population of 307 million people is absurd. We would be considered a very small town in the US, and would probably be most comparable to a 500,000 person city in the sense that our ministries do not have a federal government to support them.

As for people in the Private sector. Their pay is determined by supply/demand, and the profits their work is expected to generate. They make $800K + a year because someone believes that paying their salary/bonus is a good investment (whether they are worth that salary or not is another question for another day).

By: 32n64w

32n64w — Mon, 16 May 2011 21:33:04 +0000

Mrs. Furbert,

Can you confirm who appoints members to this “independent committee” ?

By: PEPPER

PEPPER — Mon, 16 May 2011 20:56:41 +0000

Justin. you said it all.

By: Justin

Justin — Mon, 16 May 2011 20:33:00 +0000

I make less than $200k a year, but I could have told you that Bermuda is NOT post-recession like Paula Cox did last year when she presented the 2010 budget. I also could have told you that Bermuda’s economy would be impacted by the US’s recession unlike Paula Cox who said that America’s economic troubles should have no impact on Bermuda. Thus, by paying someone a high salary does not ensure that you have the best talent.

For example, Zane Desilva as health minister? Would you go to him for a check up? How can he possibly be credible and taken seriously sitting around a bunch of doctors? They could feed him any BS and he would have to take it as gospel, because he doesn’t have the education to know the difference.

Paula Cox is a lawyer, not a finance expert. Hence the reason why Bermuda is $1b in debt!

Therefore, higher salaries do not equal the best talent.

On another note, I don’t believe any politician should be in politics for the money, and instead individuals should get involved in politics for the betterment of their country. Maybe if the salaries were unattractive we can weed out the greedy politicians and attract individuals with Bermuda’s best interest at heart. After all, greed is what got Bermuda in this economic situation anyway!

By: Hmmmmm

Hmmmmm — Mon, 16 May 2011 20:25:37 +0000

Take it to its logical conclusion Senator Furbert: Dr. Brown was saving money. Larger Cabinet and two Ministers where he was one. A story you’ll never read anywhere.

By: Cleancut

Cleancut — Mon, 16 May 2011 20:09:54 +0000

Are we getting value for money? Well it will be up to the electorate to decide that at the next election.

By: Face the Nation

Face the Nation — Mon, 16 May 2011 20:01:43 +0000

I think they deserve every penny that they EARN if indeed they are EARNING IT . I would hope that they are paying tithes and generously supporting a needy charity . To whom much is given much is required .

By: Ryan Whiting

Ryan Whiting — Mon, 16 May 2011 19:54:31 +0000

I do know exactly how much the president of the United States takes home, and can confirm that, yes, he pays tax on his income (like all Americans!). With that said, he his millions in book revenues should balance things out a bit.
Additionally, Mr. Obama does not have to pay a cent in food, housing, electricity, water, travel, etc… (that is, amenities normal Americans must bear with), all of which cost millions of dollars a year. Mr. Obama never sees a bill for that, though. Thus, his income is just that: 100% income, before tax. I doubt the people of Bermuda comp those expenses for Mrs. Cox’s private residence!
I hope this puts things a bit more into perspective! … and just think about those in town raking in $800,000+ a year! Should *they*, by your logic, make more than the Prime Minister of England, and, in some cases, several times more than the President of the United States?

By: Agree

Agree — Mon, 16 May 2011 19:30:24 +0000

I concur! Where were all you curious people when this was going on? Were you interested then when you should have most interested not only now because of the current economic climate. This information has been readily available to the public for years, people are just too lazy to get off their behind and do some research! Thanks to mediums like Bernews this information is accessible by only a click away, educate yourselves Bermuda.

By: Hmmmmm

Hmmmmm — Mon, 16 May 2011 19:29:19 +0000

This thread is so sad. These ridiculously low salaries and the hate that you all display is exactly why we have the losers we do in politics right now. Who would want to be bothered dealing with such idiocy. These salaries are a joke in a modern and sophisticated democracy like Bermuda.These people control a billion dollar economy and are being paid peanuts.As the cliche says: if you pay peanuts you get monkeys. Meanwhile, our best and brightest stay in countries where their experience and smarts are valued or reside in the private sector making three times some of these salaries. We cannot afford to be so spiteful when we need the brightest minds at the table.

By: LaVerne Furbert

LaVerne Furbert — Mon, 16 May 2011 19:28:30 +0000

The former Premier held only one cabinet position. He was the Minister of Tourism and Transport which was one ministry. They are now 2 separate ministries.

By: the truth

the truth — Mon, 16 May 2011 19:26:49 +0000

I had no idea the ‘party whip’ was actually a salaried position. You learn something new everyday……

By: ####

#### — Mon, 16 May 2011 19:21:17 +0000

So she should make more than the Prime Minister of England, and be on Par with the President of the US… I think NOT!!! yes, Mr Obama takes home $400K (But I doubt he pays tax on that)

By: Curious One

Curious One — Mon, 16 May 2011 18:56:46 +0000

At the Bermuda National Library you can view the Revenue and Expenditure handbooks which has a listing of the salaries of the legislature. You can view salaries going back to the early nighties to the present.

By: Ryan Whiting

Ryan Whiting — Mon, 16 May 2011 18:49:47 +0000

She would be making several hundred thousands more than what she does in the private sector. These salaries are much less than I had expected, and, thus, I do not think a pay cut should be considered.

By: Denis Pitcher

Denis Pitcher — Mon, 16 May 2011 18:49:01 +0000

Ms. Furbert,

It is no more a secret that you are a senator than it is that salaries are determined by ‘independent’ committee.

If you implore full disclosure on such details from Bernews then is it not reasonable that others implore you to disclose your own relations to the above article?

By: ####

#### — Mon, 16 May 2011 18:47:49 +0000

” The payment options then change for MPs sitting in the House of Assembly, with them also receiving a base pay plus differing amounts of additional positions held ”

I believe that they are cumulative, why do you think our previous Premier held three cabinit posts…

By: sigh

sigh — Mon, 16 May 2011 18:23:25 +0000

She does not make $414,569. The salaries are not all additive.

By: sigh

sigh — Mon, 16 May 2011 18:22:37 +0000

It is no secret that Ms. Furbert is a Senator. If she was trying to hide her identity she would have used a pen name.

By: sigh

sigh — Mon, 16 May 2011 18:21:43 +0000

The salaries are not all additive.

By: hello BERMUDA!!!

hello BERMUDA!!! — Mon, 16 May 2011 18:19:32 +0000

HOW ABOUT A COMPARISON ON HOW MUCH MORE THEY’RE MAKING COMPARED TO YOUR AVEREAGE WORKERS AMONG THE COMMUNITY!!! AND ALSO COMPARE HOW MUCH TAXES AND EVERYTHIGN ELSE HAS RISSEN COMPARED TO YOUR AVERAGE WORKERS SALARY !!! I DONT SEE HOW BERMUDA’S GOVERNMENT GETS AWAY WITH IT

By: Terry

Terry — Mon, 16 May 2011 18:03:31 +0000

Does she still work for Ace?…..I knew I was not far off…..jingus……

Um gunnna have a dubble…….detz rite…..”nurse…nurse….room 241……damn halp…..ver dee hal his de Minysta uv Reehabeelytansheon…..

By: herbalist

herbalist — Mon, 16 May 2011 17:59:53 +0000

i guess those senators salaries are enough to keep them following this government, hope they are ready to go down with the ship

By: ####

#### — Mon, 16 May 2011 17:58:09 +0000

So,are we saying that Paula gets:

■Members of the House: $56,022.94
Plus
■■Full Time Minister in the House of Assembly: $112,045.87
Plus
■Minister of Finance: $78,432.11
Plus
■Premier: $168,068.81
Equaling
$414569.73 of our Money.. and doing Jack for US?

By: LOL (original)

LOL (original) — Mon, 16 May 2011 17:45:14 +0000

No she doesn’t still work for ACE.

LOL

By: Terry

Terry — Mon, 16 May 2011 17:40:25 +0000

You know me, crazy as crap…….

Just browsing here on my hair net and listening to “18 Wheels and Dozen Rose’s” by Kathy Mattea……….Irony is a beach….

Count the little black squares next to the names/positions…………………

“18″

Good thing I was not listening to “Candles in the Wind”……….

By: Terry

Terry — Mon, 16 May 2011 17:35:29 +0000

Does she not still work for Ace? Been out of touch for some time but if she does she must be making at least $500,000 +. Correct me if I am wrong. If I am, it’s the UBP’s fault…..

By: LaVerne Furbert

LaVerne Furbert — Mon, 16 May 2011 17:35:03 +0000

Mr. Pitcher,

It is no secret that I am a senator. It’s not as if I used a penname.

By: Black pride

Black pride — Mon, 16 May 2011 17:28:07 +0000

Its too bad the UBP never had to publicize how much money they were making for 40 years. When they knew they were going to lose, they set this crap up for us to finally know the pay wages..Dont get mad because black people are finally making money in Gov’t. What do you think the UBP would get if they won power next year..any less?

By: OMG

OMG — Mon, 16 May 2011 17:21:29 +0000

All I can say is WOW!, and I am one of those who has been out of a job for the last 11 months, maybe with the pay cut we (unemployed persons) can maybe get unemployment pay hehehe:)

By: Ring Master

Ring Master — Mon, 16 May 2011 17:01:39 +0000

Perhaps Bernews could run a comparison of salaries paid in 1997 versus today, and when and how much they have been increased since 1997?

By: pass 1 check to me.

pass 1 check to me. — Mon, 16 May 2011 16:58:03 +0000

Most of these ministers are getting 2 or more checks. The Premier gets at least 3 of these checks. Premier $168,068.01, Minister of Finance $78,432.11 and i think she may get a check for being Member of the House whhich is $56,022.94 or she may get Minister in the House of ASsembley $56,022.94.. She is raking in some $$$$$$ … Can I get a LOAN plz !!!!!!! smh !!!!