Comments on: Larry Marshall Sr. Appears In Court

By: Mayan

Mayan — Fri, 27 Jan 2012 02:00:36 +0000

Uh-I was talking to ‘All Clogged Up’ or can you not read? S/he was quoted the ‘Render unto Caesar’ scripture to support serving your country in the military. My point is that that particular scripture has to do with paying taxes-nothing else.

By: Southampton

Southampton — Fri, 27 Jan 2012 01:37:12 +0000

I was living in the U.S. and am an American. I was drafted during the Viet Nam war.
U.S. military taught me a lot more than your idiot words do.
Your poor little boys (children) are forced to be soldiers for a couple weeks each year.
You should grow up along with your boys.

By: Whistling Frog

Whistling Frog — Fri, 27 Jan 2012 00:49:25 +0000

And you say that to say what?
2 Cor. 6:14 Do not be unequally yoked together with unbelievers. For what fellowship has righteousness with lawlessness? And what communion has light with darkness?

By: Whistling Frog

Whistling Frog — Fri, 27 Jan 2012 00:32:37 +0000

“If you accept a democratic system, this means that you are prepared to put up with those of its workings, legislative or administrative, with which you do not agree as well as with those that meet with your concurrence. This willingness to accept, in principle, the workings of a system based on the will of the majority, even when you yourself are in the minority, is simply the essence of democracy. Without it there could be no system of representative self-government at all. When you attempt to alter the workings of the system by means of violence or civil disobedience, this, it seems to me, can have only one of two implications; either you do not believe in democracy at all and consider that society ought to be governed by enlightened minorities such as the one to which you, of course, belong; or you consider that the present system is so imperfect that it is not truly representative, that it no longer serves adequately as a vehicle for the will of the majority, and that this leaves to the unsatisfied no adequate means of self-expression other than the primitive one of calling attention to themselves and their emotions by mass demonstrations and mass defiance of established authority.”
― George F. Kennan

By: Whistling Frog

Whistling Frog — Fri, 27 Jan 2012 00:31:33 +0000

That’s not the same thing… You talking about civil, meaning ordinary people being effected which doesn’t relate to military or church matters.
But Marshall boys have this thing about civil disobedience…

By: Whistling Frog

Whistling Frog — Fri, 27 Jan 2012 00:11:10 +0000

Sounds like Waco to me…

By: lost all respect for BAD

lost all respect for BAD — Thu, 26 Jan 2012 23:02:23 +0000

When Mr. Marshall sr brought the race card into it, I have now lost all respect for him & BAD.

By: Be For Real

Be For Real — Thu, 26 Jan 2012 17:51:29 +0000

Marshall family stand strong and keep fighting for what you believe in. No man should be forced to participate in the army or any activity if they choose not to. Laws are made and CAN be changed. This law definitely needs to be changed. Stay focused don’t let them distract you. They are feeling it, they know you are speaking the truth the end is near.

By: Mrs. Simmons

Mrs. Simmons — Thu, 26 Jan 2012 17:25:09 +0000

Are we breeding sissies in this country? Why are we even entertaing Mr. Marshall and his sons, who are aged men and he still consideres babies? When will they all grow up? His ass should have been locked up anyway for his abuse to the Colour Sergeant. All he is doing with his propaganda speeches is influencing the young male to disrespect authority. We have enough of that from the dysfuctional family enviroment. Why do a complete year and than complain? Why not make dispute of being called to the Regiment when it first came up? Yes, search him down and lock him up for being AWOL. It happens to other personnel who refuse to show up. Why is his boys the exception? They offer no valid argument as to why Lamont cannot serve. This whole matter of entertaining these people in the media is nonsesne and a wasted read.

By: Really????

Really???? — Thu, 26 Jan 2012 17:06:46 +0000

Some Bermudians new motto: Me first and I’ll think of others later. Thanks for your service even though you wish you didn’t have to give it.

Looking forward to days ahead as I see where we’re headed. I shall prepare now before its too late.

By: Really??

Really?? — Thu, 26 Jan 2012 16:41:18 +0000

Mr. Marshall, I don’t like how when some one disagrees with your opinions you start attacking them outright. Mr. Minors stated that he agrees withdisagrees with your methods. Where in his statement is there a personal attack on you or your family? I have read many of your statements and what is a common thread is that you attack all that don’t completely agree with your view. You call people arrogant and ignoranent while failing to recognize your obvious arrogance and ignorance. Not everyone is going to agree with your views and because we don’t doesn’t make us ignorant, it makes us individuals with different opinions.

I have a question for you. When you final exhaust every legal avenue and if the last and final judgment goes against you, will you comply with the judgment given and have your son serve his time as required by law? Or will you then refuse to comply and therefore break the law with no one left to appeal to. I ask because if you plan to refuse to comply then what is the point of going to the courts for a ruling? If you don’t like the ruling then you just ignore it?

Also, you state that you are fighting for the rights of all but the timing of your battle against conscription is very convinient for your family. I don’t remember you fighting against it years ago when my name and others were called to serve. Did you just decide that you were against it when it was your son’s time to serve or have you always been against it but turned a blind eye because it didn’t affect you or your family at the time? You are looking for support against your battle but I don’t remember hearing or seeing you when others individuals fought against conscription. I remember when an individual was held down while his hair was shaved off with pictures in the paper for all to see. And he battled as an objector. Where was all your outrage and disgust then? I don’t remeber you speaking out for this young man. What you are doing is fighting a battle for your sons. Anybody that happened to want out of conscription at the same time as them were able to jump on your bandwagon. But please, don’t try and make it seem that you are fighting this battle for all the young men in Bermuda because if it wasn’t an issue for your sons you would not be fighting this battle.

And I agree with Mr Minors on the fact that your sons are grown men and made a decision. Let them stand as men and fight their own battle. You mention Martin Luther King, Rosa Parks and Malcolm X. All of those people went to jail for what they believed in. If your son is going to battle against the system then he and you must accept the fact that they may have to spend time in jail, that’s just the way it goes. Whether or not you like or agree with the law at this time, that is the law and if you are fighting it expect the punishment which comes with breaking it until you are able to change it.

By: Rock watcher

Rock watcher — Thu, 26 Jan 2012 16:26:23 +0000

have you been there and witnessed the above???? or is it hearsay…you have intelligence?????????????????

By: Rock watcher

Rock watcher — Thu, 26 Jan 2012 16:24:38 +0000

you say slavery all the time, and also white man…who are you to say this, Have you served your country?????
you are the one that is a racist and should be punished according to the laws of our country

By: Rock watcher

Rock watcher — Thu, 26 Jan 2012 16:18:58 +0000

I agree, this is a high profile case and it gets reported, many others have been arrested and they dont run to the rg to let everyone know their bussines…

By: WillSee

WillSee — Thu, 26 Jan 2012 16:17:47 +0000

Yea-He is also prejudicial too!

By: Rock watcher

Rock watcher — Thu, 26 Jan 2012 16:16:20 +0000

Mr Marshall, the court should of found you guilty of a racial remark and thretening the guys family, who are you no matter what they were there to do. If you had said this to me i would have made sure you were aressted and convicted. People like you really need help.. every thing is racial and you said the white man well bermuda regiment is run by your so called black goverment……which we all answer too.

By: Winnie

Winnie — Thu, 26 Jan 2012 15:32:56 +0000

Yadda,Yadda “I was fearful of my boy being locked up”. There you go “my boy” grow up son. Why not do St. John’s then helloooo? there are some battles (excuse the pun) the can not be won.

By: LOL (original)

LOL (original) — Thu, 26 Jan 2012 14:49:03 +0000

No one else to choose from and from what I understand he did not want to be the commander as he would have to leave afterwards.

LOL

By: LOL (original)

LOL (original) — Thu, 26 Jan 2012 14:45:18 +0000

Motive revealed I woundered why you chimed in on this. ahhhhhh so Mr. Marshall must have more support than some would like to admit.

LOL

By: LOL (original)

LOL (original) — Thu, 26 Jan 2012 14:42:18 +0000

First thing you’ve said i agree with…….. Now to the OBA replace Mr. Marshall with your name and the same applies.

LOL

By: LOL (original)

LOL (original) — Thu, 26 Jan 2012 14:37:02 +0000

The OBA still needs to learn that.

LOL

By: LOL (original)

LOL (original) — Thu, 26 Jan 2012 14:34:52 +0000

Are any of the 13 willing to come out and talk to the authoities about what happened?

LOL

By: LOL (original)

LOL (original) — Thu, 26 Jan 2012 14:30:26 +0000

You don’t think that has not been done before? You have never been there have you.

LOL

By: LOL (original)

LOL (original) — Thu, 26 Jan 2012 14:29:06 +0000

Agreed I was charged $100 for bring my 3 year old up there cause I had no one to look after my child (wife and family away on a family matter which require their attention and my parents at the time were dealing with cancer and all that suggests as the end was near) I had no choise, at least I went and that guy had the nerve to charge me $100 so I am no fan of the regiment or Brain as I think he spends less time with his family than most men (IMO). The kicker is that some people regularly bring there kid to camp and nothing is said to the lady maybe thats why? I don’t even want to meantion the langaue that was used infont of my child I almost hoped over that man desk but fear what that would be teaching my child. To Mr. Marshall I was truely with you until you brought out race in your argument.

LOL

By: sad

sad — Thu, 26 Jan 2012 14:23:27 +0000

please understand, most people in this country actually support BAD, what we are tired of is Larry Marshall Sr. he now is a distraction and in one word a ” bully”

He is an angry man, who wants everyone to see it his way and if they dont, then he has nothing for them.

his 15 minutes of fame are up, and he needs to take down the venom. Read the comments, most people are simply saying to him,

A. stop fighting the world an fight the cause.
2. step out the limelight and put your grown a$$ sons out front
3. choose your battles.
4. act like a man of God and not a street thug.

we believe in the cause, just not another, angry, hateful, messenger.

By: LOL (original)

LOL (original) — Thu, 26 Jan 2012 14:11:31 +0000

“David Burch actually used it over the air and thousands of listeners heard him demean a young black man simply because he supported the staus quo regarding independence.” Offensive language was it the use of the ‘n’ word or was it the threat to the RP and his family that ended you up in court. This would explain why Burch did not go to court and you did………

LOL

By: LOL (original)

LOL (original) — Thu, 26 Jan 2012 14:08:42 +0000

Nonsense, that is indeed the reason I can’t support your cause. Your argument is not supported by fact. Once your called they take you up to 35 no one is in school for that long…………………..

LOL

By: LOL (original)

LOL (original) — Thu, 26 Jan 2012 13:54:39 +0000

“actuality it was a threat” and that in fact is why Mr. Marshall found him self in court if you did infact say this:

“I’m going to remember you and take it out on your family.”

LOL

By: LOL (original)

LOL (original) — Thu, 26 Jan 2012 13:43:05 +0000

Agree if the issue is not just about them having to go and more about ending the discrimination. Once the ladies get in to they might be faster to support a move to well paid voluntary service but to many right now they are just whining…..

LOL

By: LOL (original)

LOL (original) — Thu, 26 Jan 2012 13:36:50 +0000

And will continue to be lost as the majority of your arguments seem to revolve around racism as an argument. You don’t even work for your self imagine those that own a business having to give up time(=money to them) to go to the regiment or guys with a wife and kids? Your not in their shoes to my knowledge is it so hard to give back to the country? As stated I’m not a regiment supporter at all but I got in did what needed to be done finished with that. It’s as hard as you make it just like life. Until the law is changed your in voilation of that law which once convicted will carry all that that intails. My advise go to camp while trying to change the system you might find that you would get more support that way.

By: Truth is killin' me...

Truth is killin' me... — Thu, 26 Jan 2012 13:02:30 +0000

Too many PLP higher ups…Burch, Lambe, Mussenden, Telemac etc. will see to the downfall of BAD and it’s members. They where all Bermuda Regiment recruits once and happily served and will deffinitely see to this. Larry and Co. you are waging a war you cannot win. Wait and see!

By: Tornado

Tornado — Thu, 26 Jan 2012 12:49:53 +0000

For all of those who keep harping on about the fact that the regiment ‘helps out after a hurricane’ can one of you tell me why we need a REGIMENT to do that and not a volunteer ‘natural disaster response group’? The regiment trains our men how to shoot, about warfare, etc… nobody is taught what to do in the event of a hurricane, etc. So please, tell me why we need conscription to clean up after a hurricane? And guns and camo?

By: R U Serious

R U Serious — Thu, 26 Jan 2012 12:44:02 +0000

what does the rest of your kind mean?

By: R U Serious

R U Serious — Thu, 26 Jan 2012 12:42:36 +0000

NOT SHARP “ALL CLOGGED UP”, NOT SHARP @ ALL……need to clog your mouth and your fingers from typing!!!

By: LarrySrmustgo

LarrySrmustgo — Thu, 26 Jan 2012 12:03:41 +0000

Point 1

The Main issue: BAD must focus their public and private discourse (legally) on Conscription. BAD should argue that conscription is unconstitutional and has no place in a Modern civilized society.

BAD often meander into the performance of the Regiment (cursing, sexual assault etc) the afore-mentioned Matters no matter how egregious, do not form part of the Legal issues surrounding Conscription. They are emotional points that are evocative and confuse/muddy Conscription Argument.

Point 2

BAD appear in front the Exemption Tribunal= They argue that Conscription is not constitutional and a breach of their Human Rights, They are told that they must attend the Bermuda Regiment
BAD Appeal the Exemption Tribunal to the Supreme Court of Bermuda= They argue the same points in the Supreme Court of Bermuda. The Sumprem Court Rule against BAD
BAD Appeal to the Privy Council (Highest Court) in England= the Privy Council says that Conscription is legal (BAD Lose)
BAD Appear before a independent Committee Set up to hear their Arguments= BAD members walk out stating the Committee was a waste of time, biased and the equivalent of a Kangaroo Court

After exhausting all of the remedies articulated above, BAD members have now limited legal recourse and must attend the Bermuda Regiment for Military Service.

The Regimental Police acting on the instructions of the Lt Colonel of the Bermuda Regiment, arrest Larry Marshall Jr. (lawfully). There is consternation and a major fracas when Larry Marshall Jr is arrested. The main protagonist is BAD spokes person Larry Marshall Senior.

I must remind all that a huge part of being a martyr, losing one’s life ! Why would Larry Sr, fight and act insane when his son is taken to jail, he must have calculated that the ultimate sacrifice for his STAND, was imprisonment… Everyone wants to go to heaven but no one wants to die…

Standing for one’s right comes at great sacrifice, Larry Jr, must be prepared to be imprisoned , this is all a part of this voyage, it is not just about Court and TV. His stance has serious consequences for his life which include the loss of his liberty.

Point 3

I watched Larry Marshall Sr on the news last night, he is profoundly mistaken if he believes his antics to not affect the plight of BAD, they do ! right thinking people see him as a loose cannon. He is losing credibility by the day. The 13 men of BAD must find another voice to advocate on their behalf. The Noble fight of BAD is being hindered by the public shenanigans of Larry Marshall Sr.

By: Larrry Marshall Jr.

Larrry Marshall Jr. — Thu, 26 Jan 2012 11:47:00 +0000

I’ve never served up the army but that doesn’t mean I can’t comment on it. As someone said in an earlier post I haven’t been jail but I can comment on it.

By: specialgirl4you

specialgirl4you — Thu, 26 Jan 2012 11:40:29 +0000

“A Voteless man is a Hopeless man,” Mr Marshall it is hoped that you will “re-consider” your stance on asking young black man not to vote. Please remember the history of those great black leaders that fought so hard for the “rights of blacks to vote”, and now you are asking them not too? The reference to greatest leaders of our time, would not agree with your approach, as this does nothing to preserve or respect their historical achievements. To ask young black men not to exercise the most important voice they have in their country, is unfair and somewhat backwards. I think you can change your approach to wining this fight, and the current image that had put a dark shadow over BAD during the past several weeks,if this can be re-considered. Once again you are using treats to gain victory in your fight, and this approach may not be the best method of attack. Really! take some time as I mention and think this through, do not engage in “emotional thinking,” but consider more serious factors to promote your goals for BAD. Please, you and Jamel are allowing your “emotional judgement” to cloud the real fight in the best interest of BAD. Often when persons allow their emotions to get in the way, seldom do they have much success with anything.

By: Sandman

Sandman — Thu, 26 Jan 2012 11:21:52 +0000

Why not just admit that you dont have a clue about other young mens’ problems with the regiment. Some people don’t run to the RG when the regiment comes knocking at the door – they try to sort it out privately

By: Robert Wilkinson

Robert Wilkinson — Thu, 26 Jan 2012 11:15:30 +0000

Mr Marshall acted as any man should. He is the King of His Castle. How can you be bad in your own home?

By: Robert Wilkinson

Robert Wilkinson — Thu, 26 Jan 2012 11:09:37 +0000

How is that? I was in the Regiment in the aftermath of Hurricane Emily. A couple of platoons spent 2 weeks cleaning the Aboretum (a park) and Government House ( the domicile of an upper class gentlemen). I gave great service I suppose. My own house went 2 weeks with a massive hole in my roof. My time would have been better spent elsewhere.

By: Robert Wilkinson

Robert Wilkinson — Thu, 26 Jan 2012 11:00:38 +0000

Wage slaves exist today. Slaves used to receive room and board as compensation. What is your freedom worth?

By: 1minute

1minute — Thu, 26 Jan 2012 10:59:09 +0000

I am not sure if it is still the case, but back in my day if you was a volunteer fireman or police reserve you didn’t have to do the regiment. So those of you who refuse the regiment because of the violence, had another option.
As to Larry Marshall’s “forced labour” it is civic duty. Giving back to your country.
As for the yelling at the soldiers, look around the world… They are all tough on their conscripts.

By: Robert Wilkinson

Robert Wilkinson — Thu, 26 Jan 2012 10:57:45 +0000

That is a frightening opinion you hold. North Korea is
like that.

By: Robert Wilkinson

Robert Wilkinson — Thu, 26 Jan 2012 10:51:37 +0000

I applaud the efforts of BAD. These men are beng forced to beg for there freedom. That is the disgrace.

By: Finally left!

Finally left! — Thu, 26 Jan 2012 10:34:47 +0000

Thats very fair that some say its discriminatory, and i’ll take your point about blacks knowing about discrimination,

but if the issue is more about discrimination and not the actual regiment itself, then why is the fight about stopping conscription, as opposed to ending the discrimination, and forcing women to be recruited too?

Your last point about Mrs Parks is well placed and believe me i agree that the men should fight on if they honestly believe conscription should go away. I do hope however that they keep fighting for what they say they believe in AFTER their regiment requirements are finished. Then they will gain far more credibility then they every can pre-regiment.

By: OMG

OMG — Thu, 26 Jan 2012 08:52:09 +0000

yes that maybe true but we are so far past that and you are repeating the past. We should never forget the past but everyone needs to move forward.

By: OMG

OMG — Thu, 26 Jan 2012 08:49:07 +0000

And who would you turn to in a crisis ie. hurricane to what is necessary – tarp your roof, clean the roads etc. etc.?? Mr. Marshall instead of wasting your time and our money and try to work something out with the Regiment. So far all of your battles have been lost.

By: Proud Dad of Son who volunteered for the Regiment

Proud Dad of Son who volunteered for the Regiment — Thu, 26 Jan 2012 07:21:15 +0000

Judging from all of the comments above, it is quite interesting to note that this community has some strong feelings about the BAD vs Regiment situation! I note that there seems to be open hostility towards the Marshall’s because of their stand. I also note that there is irritation because the Marshall’s won’t let the situation rest! It’s been going on too long!
I am puzzled by the fact that none of this hostility is directed at the career criminals that have been ruining our island during the past 13 years. I don’t understand why people are not attacking the characters of our politicians when they use the race card and call each other N….. In and out of Parliament! I find it interesting that nothing is said and yet these buffoons are applauded and put before the Bermudian community for re-election.
Where is the public outcry for the loss of jobs in the international business sector, construction industry and the legal community for skilled, qualified workers? Oh wait I forgot… They can wash pots in a dead hospitality industry.
Frankly it appears to me that because of the BAD directive Lamont has been singled out and the community seems pleased because of the stance his Dad has taken!
People direct your anger elsewhere. It is clear that both sides are doing what they feel is best and at some point in time after much legal deliberation and expense a decision will have to be made regarding BAD!

In the meantime the community really needs to figure out if they want gang members drafted into the Regiment. The Regiment has in some ways always been viewed as a finishing or disciplinarian passage for some of our young man. But those were the days when the Bermudian community truly believed in family first and we did not have the social ills of today. Recruitment for these gangs are happening as early as 11 years old. I am concerned about the fact that a gang member will quietly go thru the Regiment system and use what he learns.
The community also needs to realize that the diminishing public purse has and will continue to cut back on the number of new recruits. Why waste time and energy on the pursuit of making people serve? Fill the Regiment with those that want to be there! Sooner or later this community wil have to grow up, acknowledge our social ills and lack of finances and do away with Conscription. Let those that want to be there, let them serve!

To Mr Marshall Keep fighting for what you believe!

By: Whistling Frog

Whistling Frog — Thu, 26 Jan 2012 06:53:01 +0000

@ all clogged up: LMAO!! He preaches from the kitchen table…

By: Eugena

Eugena — Thu, 26 Jan 2012 03:59:19 +0000

I have to disagree with your statement.In reading what was written, Mr Minors did not disrespectful or personally attacking your family. However, he brought reference to and proved by your response that your manner and anger in dealing with situations such as this is what is causing you to loose favor and public support. He has raised a valid point in that you have lost focus of what you are fighting for by throwing in personal attacks (and yes you did unnecessarily attack him regardless of your intent in actuality it was a threat). He even praised your sons for taking this stance and agreed that he does not fully agree with conscription despite the fact he doesn’t think it should be completly disolved. Your attack on the Premier, Ministers and now members of the community outside of what you are fighting for is what is loosing the support. In drawing reference to your fight in comparison with some of history’s greatest, although they were aggressive and stood fast to what they believed, they were not disrespectful and gained respect and support by conducting themselves in a proper manner dispite the controversy.