Comments on: OBA’s Fahy On Planning Review Delay

By: Wise Mind

Wise Mind — Mon, 16 Jan 2012 20:05:59 +0000

@lol, wow, you are a dishonest person in the extreme! FYI, Marc Bean was not even involved in politics in 2003! so, continue to delude yourself into thinking you can fool us!

By: LOL (original)

LOL (original) — Sat, 14 Jan 2012 16:58:19 +0000

You’re logic is not sound ie “ruling parties” you have not disproved a thing I’ve said you like many others are just trying to “shoot the messenger”………………..

LOL

By: LOL (original)

LOL (original) — Sat, 14 Jan 2012 16:51:54 +0000

MP Marc Bean in 2003. Can’t rember who it was in 1998. So stuff it for trying to tell me who I supported in passed elections. This is yet another reason I will not vote for the PLP thanks for proving yet again why I would vote for the PLP ever again………………

LOL

By: Trident

Trident — Wed, 11 Jan 2012 22:53:47 +0000

Governing efficiently? That’s a loaded question in my view. Like which women are the prettiest, black, white or asian. Impossible to say really. I think the PLP are no different than most governments, or most people for that matter they make some good decisions some bad. For better or worse, the PLP is polarizing which makes an honest assessment hard, there is too much emotion and deep seeded feelings involved. Personally I think the PLP have done a good job considering the times we live in. The UBP did such a poor job during the racially charged 70s and with the union clashes of the 80s that if i wasn’t for the happenstance need for US corps to avoid taxes in the flush 90s by setting up in bermuda that we would be in a worse situation if the UBP had remained in power. So, am I happy with the PLP over the last few years, from what I read about govts around the world, the PLP has done okay. Better than some worse than others. Kinda like myself.

By: Tired of nonsense

Tired of nonsense — Wed, 11 Jan 2012 20:59:55 +0000

I agree with most of all your postings. I do not think for one minute that the PLP will lose the next election.

But I do have to ask you, are you happy with the PLP’s performance over the last few years?

Winning an election is the easy part. Governing efficiently and effectively are the hard parts…

By: Trident

Trident — Wed, 11 Jan 2012 20:17:29 +0000

to sum up, the jlp’s leader quit leaving a novice in charge, the jlp was responsible for killing several innocent jamaicans while extraditing a well liked folk hero at the behest of the US. portia and the pnp were a known political entity having recently been in power and the pnp’s nationalistic stance in light of the coke extradition made for a perfect storm. the oba has none of that going for it. in fact, quite the opposite

By: Trident

Trident — Wed, 11 Jan 2012 20:11:47 +0000

Mista johnson, the dynamics in jamaica is mich different – the leader of the jlp, golding resigned ahead of the election, and he previously almost lost a no con vote the island was very much against him because of his handling of the extradition of the drug don, coke, where he sent jdf into poor neighborhoods killing many innocent ppl all at the apparent urging of the US govt (read last weeks article in the new yorker) this did not sit well w/ many ja voters – no to mention the pnp had won 4 elections prior and portia miller remained popular despite the pnp losing the last election. the oba does not enjoy the sort of populist support that enabled that turnaround. it also helped that portia promised to completely cut ties w/ britian, ““I love the Queen. She’s a beautiful lady and apart from being a beautiful lady a wise lady and a wonderful lady. But I think time come,” Simpson Miller said.

By: navin johnson

navin johnson — Wed, 11 Jan 2012 18:54:54 +0000

Trident the recent election results in Jamaica would indicate that it is possible to flip the representation in Government…..even the ruling party was astounded that they lost 42-21 in a 4 year period…same could happen here

By: Trident

Trident — Wed, 11 Jan 2012 17:58:42 +0000

i can assure u i’m not any of those posters, but if it helps you sleep at night, you’re welcome to it. If it helps you to sleep better to think that it’s money and not logic that informs many plp supporters keep on keepin’ on, brah.

By: Cancer

Cancer — Wed, 11 Jan 2012 17:08:19 +0000

Trident I guess will just have to agree that will we will always disagree

Remember that the PLP has taken on UBP members also – the same people that criticized them have key positions which means PLP felt they needed to be more UBP !

I’m sure will be meeting up again in further posts where we’ll be disagreeing on everything some more! For now I’ll be shutting this one down. Ps just like UBP = OBA they tell me Trident = specialgirl = vote4me = paid !!!

By: Trident

Trident — Wed, 11 Jan 2012 16:36:49 +0000

Just for the record, the OBA is the UBP, every one of its MPs (except craig) is a UBP elected MP in spite of the name change.

By: Trident

Trident — Wed, 11 Jan 2012 16:31:06 +0000

LOL, you are not a PLP supporter, and I doubt if you really voted for the PLP in 90, else you would have mentioned who the MP was you voted for instead the generic proclamation that you voted PLP.

Cancer, if your hypothetical math makes you feel better, your welcome to it. The fact is that the OBA would have to essentially double their seats to win the next election; a near impossibility.

Also the statement that the ruling party attracts members doesn’t hold water seeing that during the PLPs time in opposition, the UBP attracted no high profile members from the PLP. So either the PLP has no opportunists or your statement is false.

The UBP is seen as the past, people will not go backwards. As I stated before, teh UBP even when it was winning elections was doing so with less than 50% of the popular vote while the PLP always won with over 50% of the popular vote. Not only that but the PLP’s popular vote increased at each election victory.

The white vote has maxed out. It has always had probably 100% turnout out of self preservation. Yet the PLP sill continues to win with it’s 65-75% turnout.

The scary thing for you is that the PLP has yet to have it’s John Swan, it’s transformative leader, someone who will electrify the base and get a huge turnout. Yet the PLP has still won, still demolished the UBP and the BDA.

For the OBA to win they would need a Barack Obama/Bill Clinton type. Craig is not it. Dunkley is not it.

So again, here http://www.elections.gov.bm/ – go to the site and do the real math, show me 10 ridings and ten OBA candidates who can win. Won’t happen. I guarantee it.

By: LOL (original)

LOL (original) — Wed, 11 Jan 2012 13:45:11 +0000

As the ruling party I say they are just attracting opportunist nothing more. It is a common belief that the ruling party in any country has more clout and is more likely to be vote in again (w/ the exception of Canada). It takes a mass movement to win it for other parties to get in like in 1998. Many people white and black voted for the PLP I among them and in 2003. They lost my vote in the 2007 election and since then I do not see them as a responsible Government. I believe there more to the story for Ms. Rawlings move then was said but that’s my opinion as I have some knowledge of the history there. The rest of what you say is fine except the voter turn out in Marc Beans bye election but as it is in Bermuda “that’s politics for you”…

LOL the factors of reality never seem to go with political arguments do they.

By: LOL (original)

LOL (original) — Wed, 11 Jan 2012 13:31:26 +0000

Really is that what you think. Forgot the Bus strike (both of them), ferry operator. We almost saw strike action from the police and that’s against the law go figure. Seems like it’s the first option. Also you are using the historical perspective only when it suites your argument. Those where different times when labor laws, employee and employer relationships were different than now. It’s 2012 something you don’t seem to get but don’t worry I can think of a couple of PLP ministers and ex premier no less that think like you and have been to court of employee matters. Imagine them in the times you describe.

LOL historical perspective is fine but once it was ok to have slaves and or indentured servant and that’s in all cultures around the world.

By: Cancer

Cancer — Wed, 11 Jan 2012 13:24:40 +0000

Oh and dr brown was the worse thing that hit Bermuda! A man with so much potential who cud have had the respect and admiration of all of Bermuda. He had the charm charisma contacts and the style but instead of using those assets to his advantage there was only do it my way or no way, overspending, hooking up friends and everything else. Everyone in the PLP was scared to challenge him.. Hence the statement I’m just a cog…. Believe me I was PLP – but that’s were it all started to go downhill for me under his leadership and the financial mgmt if Paula Cox. Like you all say you can’t go back to those UBP days. Many people also say they can’t remain under brown/cox days. To much has happened in a short period of time. The country don’t even have any money left! I can’t vote for that. It’s time for a change to get this island back on track and PLP dont have a clue… Paula just works with bandaids – it don’t work like that!

By: Cancer

Cancer — Wed, 11 Jan 2012 13:11:31 +0000

Whether fortunately or unfortunately white people will be voting in force. As has been said most whites voted UBP but will now vote OBA – we know that’s a given ok! So that being the case and whites make up 40 percent of Bermudas population let’s say 25 percent of the whites vote. The OBA only needs 15 percent of the black vote which they already have plus the swing vote which would be another 10 percent of the population. That already equals 50 percent not counting in the amount of people that’s gonna refuse to vote (most will be PLP) therefore percent wise OBA will capture 55 percent of the population while PLP capture 45 percent. Just wait until the rest of our candidates are rolled out.

By: Trident

Trident — Wed, 11 Jan 2012 00:04:58 +0000

Cancer, if that’s the case why is the PLP attracting police commisioners, ex UBP leaders and VPs as candidates while the OBA is running ras mykal. Your logic doesn’t add up. Why didn’t they send a message and not support Marc bean at the by election. If you say the PLP has failed for 13 years would mean hat you believe that they were failing since day one which speaks to your bias. Jen smith, alex scott,dr, brown and P cox are all very different leaders but in your mind they’re one – again speaks to your bias. For the Oba to win the govt. it would have to win 19 seats it now has 10, it’s a given that donte will lose his seat to wayne and bob will most likely lose his, giving them 8 seats so they need to win 11. Go to the elections bermuda website and look at the few candidates that the oba has rolled out and see if you can count 11 ridings that ras mykal etc can win. The PLP may have angered some voters but it will not move voters to vote for people like craig’s sister.

By: Cancer

Cancer — Tue, 10 Jan 2012 23:31:35 +0000

Trident the fact that the PLP keeps it’s voting base is the problem because of all the wrongdoings that’s been taking place people continent put their trust in them. The PLP has failed Bermuda within the past 13 years. Whether you believe it or not there has been issues and unethical behavior that has taken place and this will be revielled once the auditors report is released. But hardliners will still vote for them. Howver there are people like me that has been personally effected and I think it’s time for a change. If you think PLP will win the next election then good for you but I think your gonna have a big disappointment coming your way. The PLP need to go thats ways people are telling them P lease L eave P olitics

By: Rick Rock

Rick Rock — Tue, 10 Jan 2012 23:09:55 +0000

Wait A Minute, it’s surprising you’re not annoyed with Zane, Furbert and Roban. They are the ones who were caught trying to get around planning rules.

Were they concerned about your “brothers getting shot weekly”? Were they focused on “helping the black man”? Were they thinking about “Bermudians with REAL DAM PROBLEMS”?

No. They were lining their owns pockets. While people are losing their jobs, struggling to make ends meet, Zane Furbert and Roban were spending time making sure they get to build in a way that would not be available to anyone else.

They don’t give a rats ass about you, mate. They are only interested in themselves.

By: Trident

Trident — Tue, 10 Jan 2012 22:44:33 +0000

A quote from the OBA page: I didn’t join OBA because I do not have a vote. I have lived here for most of my adult life, my children are bermudian but I cannot vote. I am what is commonly called a PRC. I hope that answers your question

By: Jim Bean

Jim Bean — Tue, 10 Jan 2012 22:44:06 +0000

Here we go! Trident – you are a stooge – I know that since you say the OBA is the UBP – typicall plp stooge line!

By: Cancer

Cancer — Tue, 10 Jan 2012 21:52:14 +0000

Ohhh! Is that what it is.. And trident has alias also “FAKE” – blown right out of the water!!! Ha ha thank you Jim Bean.

By: Trident

Trident — Tue, 10 Jan 2012 21:51:41 +0000

am not a paid blogger – another paranoid myth to help you sleep at night, cancer, ever since he PLP has been in power, even before, there are whispers about their election demise – but they just get stronger – because those whispers only come from those who don’t vote PLP anyway, a none issue. The fact that the UBP, not the BDA nor the OBA has ever lured away a single PLP insider while the PLP has lured away several UBP insiders including their chairwoman and their former leader speaks volumes. When Dr. Brown won the last election the lead up was all about scandals and anger yet the plp still won and with a larger % of the popular vote than the last time. When Dr. Brown stepped down there was talk that the voters would send a message by rejecting Brown’s handpicked successor Bean, Bean won resoundingly and as I said that used to be Jack Sharpe’s seat, a ubp stronghold. The bulk of PLP supporters aren’t on the blogs and radio they are in the churches, clubs and each others homes. The OBA has lost at least 4 seats in between elections do you really think they will win any extra during an election. The fact that they had to pick Craig cannonier for a leader while the PLP can pick the ex police chief and ex belco vp as regular candidates speaks volumes about the future of the OBA. The PLP will keep it’s voting base while the oba will split theirs with the UBP. Not to mention the fact that much of the sound and fury against the PLP on these blogs come from non voters and oba supporers living abroad, Toppy Cowen anyone.

By: Jim Bean

Jim Bean — Tue, 10 Jan 2012 20:59:20 +0000

Trdent – PAID BLOGGER
are you vote4me or specialgirl4?

By: cancer

cancer — Tue, 10 Jan 2012 19:11:49 +0000

Trident you need to take the blinders off buddy! PLP is finished – cant you tell by the number of people that are soooo disappointed with the party? Being your so knowledgeable tell me why there is so much disappointment? Go ahead blame the world recession – that excuse is so laffable and tiresome. Once again you need to see the blogs and realise that so many people have been disappointed and think that its time for a change.

as for Maddog again you dont know what your taking about – Im a black man… Told you that you make silly comments

By: Trident

Trident — Tue, 10 Jan 2012 17:39:46 +0000

If ur grandparents are turning over in their graves what do you think is happening to the “UBP” grandparents, their party not only changed it imploded apparently to cease to exist. The UBP “called” the island wide strike when it refused to give standard of living raises to underpaid Bermudian workers, something most govts. do as a matter of course. People don’t strike and risk lost jobs and lost pay unless it’s a last resort.

@ really?!? you are about as convincing as Fahy’s faux concern for BIU workers.

By: LOL (original)

LOL (original) — Tue, 10 Jan 2012 17:32:48 +0000

When the opposition did they were “gonna lock us all up” remeber. If you want to point fingers the PLP get along with the gangs mentality is just as much to blame.

LOL

By: LOL (original)

LOL (original) — Tue, 10 Jan 2012 17:25:12 +0000

You part of the 8 then……………

LOL

By: LOL (original)

LOL (original) — Tue, 10 Jan 2012 17:22:17 +0000

Maybe you forgot what the voter turn out really was in that by-election something like 1/3 of the voters voted.

LOL

By: star man

star man — Tue, 10 Jan 2012 17:00:51 +0000

In 1981 the BIU/PLP called an island-wide strike which saw passengers forced to carry their own bags across the Causeway to the airport!… and which was the beginning of the end for our Tourism industry. In the pasts 13 years the PLP have finished it off!

No, the PLP cannot ‘help’ Bermuda any more. We need a change. To ANYTHING other than the inept PLP!!

By: star man

star man — Tue, 10 Jan 2012 16:50:39 +0000

Huh? I’ve never seen the English language used like that.

By: star man

star man — Tue, 10 Jan 2012 16:46:45 +0000

“The fact of the matter is Minister DeSilva is not building on the site and Minister Furbert’s lots remain as is.”

I’m happy to hear that. I have just learned that the Western end of the Devonshire Marsh – the section the Minister wants to develop – is called “the Peter Cox Memorial Reserve.” I doubt the Cox family are too pleased to hear that their sanctified memorial plot was gonna be destroyed by Island Construction to build a Home Depot. How many $$ do you need to be happy, Zane?

By: really?!?

really?!? — Tue, 10 Jan 2012 15:22:12 +0000

All this bickering, I ask but one question do you think this country is headed in the right direction ? For me the answer is no we seem to have lost our way ever since the Hon Mr Cox departed this life, my party or what used to be my party has morphed into something I know not, my Granny and Granpa must be turning in their graves to see the direction the country as a whole is taking, after all the sacrifices made and my party coming to power in 1998, sad.

By: Trident

Trident — Tue, 10 Jan 2012 15:10:16 +0000

Marc ran in what was Jack Sharpes’ old riding, until the PLP turned. Check yourself. As far as judging a parties’ time in power. After the UBPs first 13 years in power where was bermuda? In flames. The 1977 race riot that rocked this island and changed it forever and saw the UBP call out riot squads to fire tear gas on it’s own people. 4 years later in 1981, the UBP caused and island wide strike which saw the UBP call out the regiment, wrap barbed wire around parliament and station soldiers with guns aimed at its’ own people. So yeah, let’s compare the PLP years to it’s predecessors; no political assasinations, no riots, no military interventions, no island wide strikes. Check yourself, sweety.

By: Maddog

Maddog — Tue, 10 Jan 2012 11:07:12 +0000

Well i don’t know your age but I do now know that you are white, so I understand your feeling about the plp and black people. SO SAD

By: Cancer

Cancer — Tue, 10 Jan 2012 10:58:25 +0000

Btw trident Marc bean was in a strong hold like also was Craig Cannonaire who demolished
Anthony Richardson. See how you say silly things. You need to check yourself !

By: Cancer

Cancer — Tue, 10 Jan 2012 10:52:08 +0000

Maddog – firstly don’t try and guess people’s age. Btw I’ve seen your silly posts before so your not even worth mentioning any further. As for trident to insult the opposition leader and call him a gas station attendant well that shows your class… Real ghetto but how cud I expect anything better from you. If you guys are happy with the complete incompetence of the PLP then I’m happy for you. You’ll see when it hits home esp when it’s being proven we have a premier and government that after twelve years still don’t know what the heck heir doing! But of course put the three of you together and the coutry will still be in a mess! Idiotts!

By: Trident

Trident — Tue, 10 Jan 2012 06:28:40 +0000

Blacks – register to vote
Whites – go get a tan that day
humour

By: Trident

Trident — Tue, 10 Jan 2012 06:26:47 +0000

Poor cancer, you have lost 3 mps before the election is even called. Plus you have put fwd a neophyte politician/ gas station attendent as the “leader” who will lift bda out of it’s complex issues facing us. The UBP has folded, the mid ocean has folded, the UBP future of Jahmal, darius and Wayne have left you, amdyou’ve changed your name 3 times in 3 years. Life is about fwd, no one wants to go back top the UBP/BDA/OBA ways. The last 3 elections that he UBP won, they won w/ only less than 50% of the popular vote. Evey PLP victory has had them win over 50% of the popular vote and it has increased every election despite the fake scandals that have been used against them. When Marc Bean demolished the oba and UBP folks n his by election…that sez it all. Keep dreaming your sad dreams.

By: Maddog

Maddog — Tue, 10 Jan 2012 05:16:32 +0000

Do you know how many people are voting for the plp are you stupid,keep it up you are showing your age.

All the white people are going to vote for the OBA, black people are not as stupid as you think.

By: Maddog

Maddog — Tue, 10 Jan 2012 05:03:01 +0000

IF YOU ARE WHITE PLP DON’T NEED YOUR VOTE, YOU DON’T KNOW HOW IT WORKS.

By: Cancer

Cancer — Tue, 10 Jan 2012 03:22:23 +0000

Just for your information trident in each election I voted PLP. It’s because of the constant (PLP never do anything wrong and the spin learnt from dr brown) displayed by miss furbert is the reason why and many others will not be voting PLP! So your just one of a few where I’m one of many! So Here’s some more exclamation points for you!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Get my drift!!!!!!!!

By: True

True — Tue, 10 Jan 2012 02:55:01 +0000

Old has been armchair politicians bickering how sad

By: True

True — Tue, 10 Jan 2012 02:54:15 +0000

Whatever boring tuning out!

By: Trident

Trident — Tue, 10 Jan 2012 02:11:31 +0000

Calm down cancer. Give the exclamation points a break. Personally Ms. Furbert is one of the main reasons my family will be voting PLP. It’s actually people like you who are the reason why the PLP have been in power going into it’s second decade. Keep it up. We’re all watching.

By: Cancer

Cancer — Mon, 09 Jan 2012 23:31:32 +0000

Anybody that says anything against the PLP is either starting to stair up trouble or is racist in Laverne’s eyes! Laverne can’t you come up with anything else? Your one of the reasons some people won’t vote PLP I hope you realize that! And because of your silly ongoing rhetoric you’ll be one of the reasons why the PLP may not win the next election… Yes because of you!!! Get a life !!!

By: Trident

Trident — Mon, 09 Jan 2012 23:01:39 +0000

The PLP was actually an effective opposition which is why their now the govt. While the UBP has had to fold and become the BDA then fold and become the Oba. What is a head scratcher to me is that the OBA says bermuda needs effective leadership yet they elected a leader who up until recently probably never even voted. Yet this is the man who they are trying to convince us he can run the country. Why? Because he runs a tiny gas station?

By: 32n64w

32n64w — Mon, 09 Jan 2012 22:21:29 +0000

So by using your logic why does the PLP even issue media releases or hold press conferences if elected officials (or anyone else) only have two options for addressing matters of public interest or concern?

Have the PLP now decided we live in a censored dictatorship where only their (repeatedly flawed and failed) party line is allowed to occupy the public airwaves?

Reality has an anti-PLP bias.

By: Triangle Drifter

Triangle Drifter — Mon, 09 Jan 2012 21:12:58 +0000

This issue is only one of a hurricane worth of issues, created by the PLP, and now swirling around the PLP with them at the center not knowing which way to move & hoping the whole thing would just blow away.

It is not, of course, & it is the oppositions job to bring the PLP Governments deficiencies to the publics attention. The PLP did the same job when they were opposition. Why all the whining from their supporters now?

By: star man

star man — Mon, 09 Jan 2012 20:10:33 +0000

Just read about said submission in the RG. Hey, you can’t know EVERYTHING!