Comments on: UK MPs “Disappointed” About Election Observers

By: Pastor Syl

Pastor Syl — Fri, 14 Dec 2012 21:49:39 +0000

Typo
“I am sure I don’t need to mention the secrecy, which touting the passing of PATI.”

That line should read “WHILE touting the passing of PATI.”

By: Pastor Syl

Pastor Syl — Fri, 14 Dec 2012 21:11:42 +0000

LaVerne: as anyone who actually speaks to me knows, I don’t have a church, I have a ministry, a social justice ministry. I also counsel individuals who express a need.
Bermudians erroneously got the impression that the church I wanted to form was to be a “gay” church. Hence those who are LGBT and are in the closet were not interested. Those who are already “out” have, for the most part, already been so damaged by traditional denominations, they are not interested in church. Heterosexuals fell into two categories: those who were afraid to attend because people might think they were ‘gay’ and those who only wanted to come so they could identify who was ‘gay.’ Wonder which category you would have fallen into?

By: Pastor Syl

Pastor Syl — Fri, 14 Dec 2012 20:56:10 +0000

that should read “definitively clean up our electoral process”
Sorry

By: Pastor Syl

Pastor Syl — Fri, 14 Dec 2012 20:55:23 +0000

HSBC was fined $1.something BILLION for their invalid compliance. That’s about as much as our debt!

It is because of rumors of shady dealings in the past by both parties that we should welcome the chance to clear the air. I don’t know if anything was ever reported, but to date, nothing has been done to definitely clean up our electoral process – from registration ID all the way through balloting and the counting of the votes.

@ LaVerne: In no way could I be considered an impartial observer as I have been quite vocal in my distress with, and distrust of, the ruling party…as you know quite well. I guess that is another example of your so-called satire. Ha-ha. Even if I were to be as honest as I could possibly be, people would feel within their rights to have doubts about my integrity, especially given this hostile climate.
I have made it quite plain as to why I feel as I do, on several occasions. If you don’t understand it yet, I feel sorry for your powers of comprehension, as they would appear to rival your ability to manage computation.

By: Pastor Syl

Pastor Syl — Fri, 14 Dec 2012 20:47:07 +0000

@ hmmm: Since you have brought my brother into the conversation, let me say categorically that there is very little that he does that I do not agree with. We have much the same value system, as instilled by my mother, the same values that have not been in evidence in the PLP for far too many years. I came back to Bermuda 4 years ago and sought a PLP Pembroke branch meeting for 2 years, including requesting at Alaska Hall that I receive notifications when branch meetings and other party events were being held. I ran into Neletha Butterfield once by accident and was told of an event to take place the next day (for which I was already booked) and that was the sum total of my awareness of PLP activity in Pembroke.

Since that time, I have seen and experienced increased racism and race baiting (including being called a house n***er to my face because I was a part of the march on Parliament after Dr. Brown snuck the Uighers in under the noses of not only the Brits but his own Parliamentarians! I have seen profound arrogance, disrespect for individuals and the Rules of Parliament, sheer rudeness and I am sure I don’t need to mention the secrecy, which touting the passing of PATI. What a twisted document which actually hinders public access to information rather than creates transparency. Please tell me when the Auditor General will have full powers of subpoena??

If you think I am basing my rejection on headlines in a newspaper, you don’t know me and you have no respect for my intellect and powers of reasoning. Unlike Ms. Furbert, I have a Bachelors and two Masters Degrees, accomplished in aggregate in 4 1/2 years…with ADD no less (impacting my ability to concentrate and be organized).

The campaign, if you will call it that, has been begging the PLP to be transparent, to answer legitimate questions clearly (we shouldn’t have to search, the answers should be easily available) without resort to name-calling, racial remarks and finger-pointing. Y’all lost me at “Well, the UBP did it.” Two wrongs will NEVER make a right.

By: Pastor Syl

Pastor Syl — Fri, 14 Dec 2012 19:11:34 +0000

Actually @ Out of flight: There are numerous stories of election tampering going back to the days of the UBP: ministers of the church placing the X of several older people in the wrong box, against instructions; persons who have stated, “if you want my vote, you have to pay me $50 like so-and-so did; people taking cell phones into the voting booth, taking pix of their vote and conveying it as proof to a candidate for the payout.

Even if these are not true, the fact that they are circulating is enough to justify an independent oversight. In Bermuda, rumours usually have at least a smidgeon of basis in fact.

By: keeping It Real

keeping It Real — Fri, 14 Dec 2012 04:02:03 +0000

JUST WHAT’S IN THIS FOR THE UK? THE PREMIER IS INNOCENT UNTIL PROVEN GUILTY
This is a very sad day for the Cayman Islands. This is not the time to take a critical position of rejoicing at a man’s misfortune in his day of adversity.
There are still those among us that are concerned for what happened to the Honorable Premier McKeeva Bush on yesterday morning.
I as a Caymanian,It is with great concern as I witness this sad occurrence that
is so harmful to the Cayman Islands and to Mr. Bush himself as he is a human being just like the rest of us. We are also concerned for the premier’s safety and his family as well.
Unlike the naysayers who rejoice at the downfall of another. I do not partake in
rejoicing at someone’s downfall whether they are wrong or right. God is the ultimate judge, and He will make the final decision.
even though the governor assured everyone that the take down of Michael Missick is unrelated to the arrest of our own Premier Honorable McKeeva Bush;As a Caymanian, versed in the UK’s dirty tactics and their subtle, and underground operations, I am most concerned for Mr. Bush’s safety and well being and so should every Caymanian as well.He is one of us regardless of what is going on in his life.
We now have a constitution and a bill of rights enacted in 2012 (November) to be exact.
Unlike many ignorant Caymanians, the liberals are unceasingly lobbying the UK, and the EU to push for gay rights for lesbians, homosexuals, transgenders, gay marriage, abortion and every corrupt lifestyle that can be conceived seeking legislation to accommodate it all birthed from their liberal agenda. The UK in turn is the home of liberalism of the basest sort and has been pressuring Mr. Bush to force his hand to install their liberal pipeline of sewage through the territories to meet the demands
of special interest sleepers that live among the innocent simple minded people in the territories,such as our beloved isle the Cayman Islands.
We have been far too trusting of these new comers into our island. Most of them are only using the Premier, and afterwards; hang him out to dry. He must be leery of
who he trusts and befriends. Its time to stop doing favors for these people and begin to focus on our people.
The public should keep a keen eye on things to ensue the safety of the Premier demanding answers from the Governor and the RCIP to ensure his continued safety as these investigations continue. We do not want any more surprises.
The RCIP and the Governor must be aware that the Government is fully responsible for ensuring the safety of the Premier as a high profile individual a government official, and are mandated by the Caymanian people to ensure that the Premier and his family are “SAFE” at all times.
We have taken note on the recent unprecedented announcement on this week of the unaccepted condition of the prison and the also recent complaint of the Commissioner of Police that the Central RCIP Lockup is also an unsafe place to retain individuals.
Therefore the public will be keeping a watchful eye to see just how well the Premier will be accommodated while being held for questioning during this investigation from time to time.
Therefore in my opinion a high ranking official under house arrest would be in a safer position than being held in any two of the government locations for remand accommodation.
Mfr. Bush has done nothing different from other legislators in the past.
However, his safety is of paramount importance. RCIP AND the governor must assure the public that the Honorable Premier is safe and has the security detail necessary to protect himself and his family.
It is common knowledge that the Premier is a “Thorn” in the side of the UK government
where their liberal agenda for the territories is concerned therefore we are not too surprised at this sad news
But lets be clear the UK is anxious to take down the premier as he has been the great pillar standing in the way of the UK and the EU spreading their liberal ideologies that promotes homosexuality, gay and lesbianism, transgenderism, gay marriage, abortion, dissolution of Christianity and a cult take over as well as abolishing traditional family values..The UK is now a liberal jungle that embraces such disgraceful and liberal ideologies which is against the Godly and conservative christian culture of the people of the Cayman Islands..
The PPM leader Mr. Alden McLaughlin will never stand up to the UK on these serious issues facing our constitution and bill of rights when the UK decides to strike us with them. And when the sleepers in our midst invade us at midnight on these issues
as we keep granting them work permits and Cayman Status they bring their
liberal agenda with them to destroy our beloved Cayman Isle..
Mr.Ezzard Miler is the other choice but he too will be challenged to answer what is his stance on these serious liberal issues facing this territory and how he would handle the UK on this, and will he?..
If you understand political science as I and others do, you will indeed take careful note that we have now a new constitution and more importantly a ‘BILL OF RIGHTS.”
Trust me there are liberal sleepers, lobbying the UK on their liberal
agenda seeking to push it through. Moreover, the UK must get Bush out of
the way in order to see this through. You have no idea just how tough Mr. McKeeva Bush is on these issues as he fights the UK on this front saving our children from being swallowed up by the destruction of this liberal agenda sweeping the nations in search of a license to condone an alternate lifestyle of everything we were taught not to believe and not to accept as a way of life.
However, if Bush is to be replaced we will heavily vet those who seek to replace him.
I invite the premier speak to the people, and also state his feelings and his intentions,
There is a surprising amount of concern and sympathy for the Premier coming from even opponents who refuse to join the bandwagon of people rejoicing at the Premier’s mishap, and he is still supported despite the situation hanging over his head..People still love the premier and wish him and his family well whatever he decides to do it is his perogative.
TO THE NAY SAYERS:-
We love you Mr. Bush God bless you and we will continue to pray for you.
Clarke’s Commentary on the Bible
Rejoice NOT
when thine enemy falleth, (into this mischief), and let not thine
heart be glad when he stumbleth – When he meets with any thing that
injures him; for God will not have thee to avenge thyself, or feel any
disposition contrary to love; for if thou do, the Lord will be angry,
and may turn away his wrath from him, and pour it out on thee.( YOU)
This I believe to be the true sense of these verses: but we must return to
the sixteenth, as that has been most sinfully misrepresented.
For a just man falleth seven times – That is, say many, “the most righteous
man in the world sins seven times a day on an average.

By: Y-Gurl

Y-Gurl — Thu, 13 Dec 2012 22:48:12 +0000

You ask some stupid questions, are you sure you understand the issues

By: The Truthsayer

The Truthsayer — Thu, 13 Dec 2012 16:15:59 +0000

So if there are no regularities then they will report that. What the F are you scared of?! You be FAIR and STOP this nonsense.

By: The Truthsayer

The Truthsayer — Thu, 13 Dec 2012 16:06:21 +0000

Debt came from the PLP…and if you don’t believe that you’re a dumba$$.

By: The Truthsayer

The Truthsayer — Thu, 13 Dec 2012 16:00:56 +0000

What are they afraid of then? The British Government would pay for the trip. Better to be safe than sorry.

By: Jim Jones

Jim Jones — Thu, 13 Dec 2012 16:00:54 +0000

A Banana Republic is where you go to buy overpriced jeans and cargo shorts.

By: Verbal Kint

Verbal Kint — Thu, 13 Dec 2012 15:08:25 +0000

What I want to know is what Syl Hayward’s brother has to do with HER posts. When ideology gets turned on it’s ear, it is most likely a case of a person who is deserted by the party. My father used to say, “I didn’t leave the party, the party left me.” There have been years of awaiting the possibility of a better PLP. What we have gotten instead is a progressively worse PLP. What you see in these posts is not so much an online campaign as people expressing the fact that they are fed up with the ineptiude of the present Government. People are deathly afraid to admit the failure of the PLP. It is only a failure if you allow it to continue on its present course. Election monitoring is the norm. Transparency is the norm. Watch dogs of governments are the norm. Bermuda is stuck in the 19th century in so many ways.

By: Concerned

Concerned — Thu, 13 Dec 2012 14:51:36 +0000

Me thinks they are/have connected the links from down south to de north.

By: Concerned

Concerned — Thu, 13 Dec 2012 14:48:14 +0000

I know that many persons are registered in my area and have made note to the candidate in my area only to be told the PLP have argued that these people are living in said addresses – ‘
HELLOOOOOOO!! no THEY ARE NOT and never have.

By: just a thought

just a thought — Thu, 13 Dec 2012 14:36:14 +0000

Comprehension must not of been a strong suit either. It took you 8 years to get math, you are obviously still grappling with the Comprehension because you continue to state the OBA (formerly UBP). Well hopefully for the next 8 years they will be in power and you will have plenty of time to finally get it right.

Your comments just prove you cannot do anything but live in the past. Draw a line and get over it!

By: Triangle Drifter

Triangle Drifter — Thu, 13 Dec 2012 14:23:35 +0000

By the time the voter gets to the ballot box it is too late.

How are people checked for dupes? By license #? By passport #? By address? Is the verification checked in real time?

What is the PLP afraid of? Deception? Surely the PLP knows nothing about deceiving the voters now do they?

By: Hmmmmm

Hmmmmm — Thu, 13 Dec 2012 14:17:58 +0000

Thanks for responding. I’ve thought about how to answer you so here goes. I’m sure that you do not agree with every stand taken by your activist brother. But he is still your brother and while you may privately or perhaps publicly chastise him, he is still your brother and nothing will ever change that. Political ideology evolves, it does not get turned on its ear. If it does, it means one was never really a believer in the first place. I am not entirely satisfied with the PLP; especially under Paula Cox, but there is no way I can be made to turn to the OBA because at their core, they can never represent my political philosophy or the core values I believe in. The PLP is manned by imperfect people, but the core values that resonate with me remain theirs and not the OBA’s and can never be. People cannot allow themselves to be so influenced by the steady diet fed to them by the media in this country. We have to be independent thinkers and have more depth to our being than to be swayed so radically on something so fundamental as a vote. To achieve a better PLP does not mean voting OBA. This campaign waged by you and others online seems to be “we’ve heard nothing good so they must be bad”. Respectfully, that’s not only bad politics but its bad period. I can say with some degree of confidence that barring some personal details, every question which the conspiracy theorists say has not been answered has been; the question is, has it been reported and do we know where to look.

By: Triangle Drifter

Triangle Drifter — Thu, 13 Dec 2012 13:54:18 +0000

You have not been around very long have you?

By: Verbal Kint

Verbal Kint — Thu, 13 Dec 2012 13:24:08 +0000

LaVerne has made up her mind. Don’t confuse her with the facts.

By: Rhumrunner

Rhumrunner — Thu, 13 Dec 2012 12:42:59 +0000

I wonder how long the UK government can stand by with the feedback they get about corruption allegations in Bermuda before they finally intervene??????

By: Let me get this str8

Let me get this str8 — Thu, 13 Dec 2012 12:36:16 +0000

Bermuda has a strong, vibrant democracy supported by good governance and accountability. In these circumstances, the Government of Bermuda would wish Her Majesty’s Government to acknowledge this fact and not involve itself in any attempts to institute election monitoring in Bermuda.’

Sounds like a refusal to me…But then again I don’t speak PLP

By: Rock Watcher

Rock Watcher — Thu, 13 Dec 2012 12:12:33 +0000

@Tolrate, before the next election I suggest you volunteer to work in the campaign of your choice, become a branch worker, get out there and see for yourself… names still registered to what is now a slab in the ground.. because the house was demolished 20 years ago. O people who will tell you they want their vote to stay at the area where they lived before.. In the days of Mrs Scott, you worked with the opposite Scrutineer and with agreement the names were removed, and of course often you provided the form for that person to re-register where they were living…. Today it is a travesty what is taking place.

The yearly registrations under the UBP were for new voters coming of age, for changes of address or due to a change of name due to marriage. People would have you believe it was a total one hundred percent re-registration… more spin!!

By: Ringmaster

Ringmaster — Thu, 13 Dec 2012 12:02:10 +0000

Scary thought. Thanks to the PLP giving out ideas, maybe the UK will appoint “surrogate blacks” so as to avoid detection to watch over the shoulders of voters. Now we’ll need to be careful of our shadows.

By: Like It Is

Like It Is — Thu, 13 Dec 2012 11:52:09 +0000

The way in which Governments response was put to the UK government seems to have been misunderstood by these two UK ministers and seems a bit like trouble making, the Bermuda Government has no problem with observers to oversee the elections, the Government just stated that Bermuda has a safe and fair electoral process and that Bermuda Government has been very diligent in keeping to this standard.

The Bermuda Government never refused nor did they be arrogant, they just wanted their good reputation to be respected, Bermuda has been a loyal territory that has never posed a threat even through turbulent times, we are a respectable nation.

I am pretty sure if the Premier said lets have the observers to quell the nay sayers, not one irregularity would be found, NOT 1.

ITS not about the OBA/UBP or the PLP, or IND its about Bermudas reputation for good Governance and regulations, that is seemingly being put in the spotlight, and to some degree may have a negative effect on our island nations reputation, at the moment we are trying to expunge certain elements that are threatening our reputation, why would we intelligent people in Bermuda want to bring this forth, when you know within yourselves it is untrue to suggest we have a corruption problem in our voting process.

By: Anon Ymous

Anon Ymous — Thu, 13 Dec 2012 11:41:43 +0000

Belarus had international observers in the recent past, Mr. Markham should be able to enlighten you on how it works.

By: Like It Is

Like It Is — Thu, 13 Dec 2012 11:36:21 +0000

how much are they paying you?

how much are they paying me?

how much are they paying…?

You sound silly saying that, its old, nobody is being payed.

By: Like It Is

Like It Is — Thu, 13 Dec 2012 11:31:28 +0000

thanks

By: Rick Rock

Rick Rock — Thu, 13 Dec 2012 10:55:11 +0000

Dozens, if not hundreds, of elections all over the world have had observers.

And, though you’d like to think it, it’s not just white people checking black people.

Bernews, if I were to change my name to something really racist and insulting, thinly disguised by putting a % sign in the middle, I’m assuming you would have no problem with that.

By: Rick Rock

Rick Rock — Thu, 13 Dec 2012 10:49:52 +0000

Don’t confuse LaVerne with facts. The only one she remembers is South Africa, so that must mean it hash’t happened anywhere else.

By: Rick Rock

Rick Rock — Thu, 13 Dec 2012 10:47:24 +0000

Funny. The posters saying there are no electoral problems here are probably the same people who would swear up & down that Gore was robbed of the 2000 US election.

If there are no irregularities, there would be no problem having observers, right?

Just to check. And make sure. And verify. We don’t want any ‘problems’, do we.

By: Family Man

Family Man — Thu, 13 Dec 2012 10:20:22 +0000

Clearly the plp would ‘welcome’ observers but it might take a few months to process their work permits.

By: soooo ashamed

soooo ashamed — Thu, 13 Dec 2012 09:27:50 +0000

it is funny how you continually say that about OBA but have you looed a the PLP and the number of former UPB that have passed through those ranks. please grow up. i dont know who you are but some of us look at people as people. not race gender or party. just people and make up our mind that way. mayber you should too. stop looking for a conspiricy. because Satan is alive and will show you something. even in your closet im sure if some one want to look and find the six degrees of seperation. look at people for who they are as individuals and stop lumping anyone together. please.,

By: soooo ashamed

soooo ashamed — Thu, 13 Dec 2012 09:22:41 +0000

i agree. i have stayed away from majority of the ads. real easy dont watch local tv and never listen to radio. but my son has been following the ads. his is 15. after the last ad with the puppets or something he was enraged and said how childish it was and how it wanst relevant to what is going on in the island. a 15 year old can get that. the plp as usual is playing to the people. they know who their target is and bermudians dont tale this the wrong way but it is the older under educated people that they can inipulate with past wrong and pull race with because they have felt it. we need to as a people to let go of the past and figure out how to move forward. PLP are making promises that havent been thought out and laws that will inturn hurt the people they think they are trying to protect. i dont know who i am voting for but i certianly know who i am not voting for.

By: Kathy

Kathy — Thu, 13 Dec 2012 08:31:48 +0000

Love your name @wpplrstupid (white people are stupid)!!! Can we please close the race card? It is getting very OLD!

Commenting on the article…

“The Bermuda Government responded, saying reports that they refused requests from the Governor and/or the UK Government to allow Election Observers to be present are inaccurate”….

…so, indeed it appears that the PLP would then welcome the election observers if requested? Why wouldn’t you want observers to come and monitor the elections? Is there something you are trying to hide?

By: Logic76

Logic76 — Thu, 13 Dec 2012 08:15:39 +0000

A banana republic is a politically unstable country that economically depends upon the exports of a limited resource (fruits, minerals), and usually features a society composed of stratified social classes, such as a great, impoverished working class and a ruling plutocracy, composed of the élites of business, politics, and the military. Certainly not this country! We have nothing to export, though we continue to act as if there’s still money in the bank…when IB leaves they’ll turn off the lights on the way out.

By: Logic76

Logic76 — Thu, 13 Dec 2012 08:10:49 +0000

Could not stop laughing when I heard that advert.

By: Out of flight

Out of flight — Thu, 13 Dec 2012 04:44:31 +0000

That is a lie. and if it was true the Parliamentary Registrar knows nothing about it because I called and asked him. while it is possible for a Kevin Bean to do it because there are so many, it does not warrant a group coming here for ONE example. Why are you so silly …..and…..

By: Out of flight

Out of flight — Thu, 13 Dec 2012 04:42:48 +0000

We rejected a free trip for those guys .
We have never had a single issue in any of our elections. They clearly wanted a free ride. With the UK cutting down on their free trips they are vexed and now feel the colonies should show some respect and payment for use of the British passport. It is as simple as that. Name one example of “bad” Bermuda election activity. You can’t. We have always had the highest standards.Before the PLP and after…not one example of some impropriety.
If so name it. YOU CAN’t. so it is obvious they wanted to use CPA money and have another joy ride.
The Governor is new to Bermuda and should be ashamed of himself to even think of inviting them.

By: Grubster

Grubster — Thu, 13 Dec 2012 04:40:06 +0000

Really not trying to be funny in any way, but just wondering if someone could enlighten me to the real definition of what is a “banana republic”

By: Grubster

Grubster — Thu, 13 Dec 2012 04:37:41 +0000

Yes, especially exported marketing and advertising people. My children are far too young to vote, but we have to turn off the radio every time that childish PLP advert about the OBA engine in the car (or whatever it is) comes on. Even the kids find it embarrassing, as “nobody really talks like that”. PLP, stop being immature even with getting observers in, it is embarrassing.

By: Blurt

Blurt — Thu, 13 Dec 2012 04:32:33 +0000

All under the Cox finance minister years too!!!!!!!!! She was ranting at that Rally, makes you wonder how desperate she Is that the truth doesn’t come out.

By: w%$rstupid

w%$rstupid — Thu, 13 Dec 2012 04:07:16 +0000

How many elections have had observers in the past.

Come on oba fools, i know you have an answer

The internet sure has made all you whites brave.sound real big with the tough talk. Get to say what you want.

Must admit it feels good.

Hate ya

By: w%$rstupid

w%$rstupid — Thu, 13 Dec 2012 03:56:33 +0000

All i see here are oba idiots making excuses for the election loss on Monday

By: 32n64w

32n64w — Thu, 13 Dec 2012 03:10:37 +0000

“Bernews was the only media outlet who contacted the BIU for a response to the recent KFC release.”

So in the lat year how often have Workers Voice journalists contacted the subject of their articles for comment in advance of publication? Please list in detail the communications with dates, questions and responses.

By: media

media — Thu, 13 Dec 2012 02:55:59 +0000

The Accountant General’s leave is because of a completely separate issue. Not great, but not what people imagine. I understand why people might make assumptions but you shouldn’t in this case.

By: William Sidis

William Sidis — Thu, 13 Dec 2012 02:32:45 +0000

LaVerne – you are truly pathetic in every way imaginable. Poor soul.

By: Rockfish#1 and#2

Rockfish#1 and#2 — Thu, 13 Dec 2012 02:16:57 +0000

Voter fraud is fairly common in Bermuda and has been for a long time. Furthermore, both parties take advantage of sloppy registration and verification procedures.

eg. At the last election, one person voted in Paget, drove to Warwick and voted again, true story!

By: Rockfish#1 and#2

Rockfish#1 and#2 — Thu, 13 Dec 2012 02:07:34 +0000

@ Voter,
The transcript,although rather lengthy makes for interesting reading.
Some people claim the use of camera phones for this purpose was common practice here during the last election.
So I assume it is up to the Governor and Commissioner of police to prevent their being taken into the booth. (if it is illegal)

By: Gilbert Pitcher

Gilbert Pitcher — Thu, 13 Dec 2012 02:03:21 +0000

lol