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By: Knowthyself

Knowthyself — Sat, 16 Feb 2013 19:10:21 +0000

Bermuda doesn’t fit the norm and shouldn’t seek too.

Check your geography!! We’re one of the smallest nation states in the world.

We must protect our own. Interpret that as you may

By: Knowthyself

Knowthyself — Sat, 16 Feb 2013 18:04:45 +0000

You assume too much Slimey.

There are plenty of bermudians who can swim…and swim like a fish @ that. LOL

I’ve personally never seen any ad in the paper for lifeguard positions. Perhaps those jobs are already tied up before they’re mysteriously posted.

By: Knowthyself

Knowthyself — Sat, 16 Feb 2013 17:19:39 +0000

Bermuda is only 21 square miles buddy. Nothing selfish about that… We need to have first priority. Unfortunately that is rarely…if ever the case. Not because of self-entitlement but to ensure that we promote our most important asset…”The bermudian black male”. Particularly the youth.

Foreigners prefer to work with foreigners or white bermudian males. And that is simply to ensure there organizational cultural is upheld. And in many cases it’s there personal preference to do so.

You throw a black bermudian male in the equation and it’s like tossing a monkey wrench in the machine. In there eyes at least.

By: M3ke

M3ke — Sat, 16 Feb 2013 03:30:10 +0000

Limey,

1) Your first point does not strengthen the economy nor does it provide a better quality of life for the citizens of Bermuda.

2) Folks coming down on work permits are only supposed to be here to work. We do not want to entice people to stay here indefinitely because at some point they will want residency.

There is currently a job shortage and if your son or daughter was not chosen for a summer job because a guest worker’s son or daughter got the job you would have a different perception about the whole process.

Have you ever finished school or been away to school and been broke and understood whats its like not to be able to find a job and not even a summer job? I understand the logic of making Bermuda more competitive but allowing a guest worker’s child to get a summer job will not boost or strengthen the economy. Its almost as if your are hypothesizing with no clear evidence of your theory.

We need to understand that some factors which lad to our economic downturn were beyond government policy.

By: yawn

yawn — Sat, 16 Feb 2013 02:59:08 +0000

not all bermudian parents could afford to pay for the necessary swimming lessons for their kids or send them to schools with pools. and the summer lessons could only take so many. but with programs like the sandys 360, this may change.

By: Mystique

Mystique — Sat, 16 Feb 2013 02:52:32 +0000

Yeah Limey, without IB, Bermudians would be running about in grass skirts with nothing to eat but bananas and loquats, because we are such an inherently dumb people. Thank God for IB for saving the savages!

By: Mystique

Mystique — Sat, 16 Feb 2013 02:50:26 +0000

And any and everything IB wants they should get, even to the detriment of Bermudians! Limey you are a first class *#%!

By: Mystique

Mystique — Sat, 16 Feb 2013 02:48:31 +0000

Of course, according to your racist logic, anyone who doesn’t accept second class citizenship in comparison to expats must be unintelligent and a PLP supporter. Time Passage you’re a damn ***!

By: Mystique

Mystique — Sat, 16 Feb 2013 02:45:21 +0000

A signed declaration means nothing against statute which permits persons to be considered for PRC status. Government has short-tern, tunnel vision on this matter of PRC status!

By: Mystique

Mystique — Sat, 16 Feb 2013 02:42:50 +0000

Limey, are you even Bermudian?

By: Mystique

Mystique — Sat, 16 Feb 2013 02:28:22 +0000

Limey, you don’t heed good advice, do you? Many have already told you to STFU. Please oblige.

By: Mystique

Mystique — Sat, 16 Feb 2013 02:25:34 +0000

I agree. Limey is an absolute idiot!

By: BING

BING — Sat, 16 Feb 2013 02:08:17 +0000

yeah and how many young Bermudians want to wake up at 6 to go work construction or landscaping Ive had many OLDER Bermudians tell me they quit construction because it was to hot PLP lay down we work cause we are not lazy most of us start at 13 because we want to and we sacrifice a lot of social activities to work for our families not all Bermudians are lazy but a lot of these youth are im sorry but thats how i feel

By: Roger

Roger — Sat, 16 Feb 2013 01:56:56 +0000

CEO of Company X on work permit without term limits ensures company remains in Bermuda employing several hundred Bermudians. Bermudians decide to alienate CEO’s children because they are not children of the entitled.

CEO of Company X relocates to Grand Cayman / Ireland / wherever for a more acceptable existence, several hundred Bermudians lose their jobs.

“That showed him who was in charge” say the Bermudians.

By: Bermudican

Bermudican — Fri, 15 Feb 2013 23:27:05 +0000

I can see it now All jobs on the island will have to be negotiated with Term limits. three month term limit job is over. PLP fought so hard for that . it will cut down on unions in government and civil servant jobs they think should last till they die..LOL
Privatize government jobs, put a term limit on the job, when that term is up bye bye employee . C’Yah!
Standing Strong !

By: Bermudican

Bermudican — Fri, 15 Feb 2013 23:07:40 +0000

Duerr Charged With Firearm, Ammo Possession
Hmmmm….
New Job Opening?

By: Limey

Limey — Fri, 15 Feb 2013 22:28:51 +0000

Can also work in Iceland, Lichtenstein and Norway, of course there might be restrictions, ie you have to have a grasp of their language

By: Limey

Limey — Fri, 15 Feb 2013 22:25:22 +0000

Il direct you to the EU website
http://europa.eu/youreurope/citizens/work/abroad/index_en.htm

Which states :

As an EU national, you’re entitled to work — for an employer or as a self-employed person — in any EU country without needing a work permit.

Exception — Bulgarian and Romanian nationals still face temporary restrictions on working in the EU.

And while doing so, you are entitled to live there — subject to certain conditions.

By: Limey

Limey — Fri, 15 Feb 2013 22:18:17 +0000

The UK is a member of the EU, therefore with a British passport you can work anywhere in the EU and EEC which includes Switzerland. I don’t know how you didnt know that the UK wasn’t a member of the EU, the EU policy is free movement of goods and labour between its member states.

The schengen treaty has nothing to with immigration laws, it was set up in 1995 to remove internal borders within its member states, e.g. You show your passport when you fly into France from America, but if you then travel from france into Belgium you don’t have to show a passport, just walk in. However the UK didn’t sign up to the schengen treaty, so if you enter the uk from France you have to show your passport.

By: actual person under 19

actual person under 19 — Fri, 15 Feb 2013 21:57:39 +0000

now see u cant blame that solely on the plp in the past i have had teachers tell me and other students they do not care they have their education so you need to start criticizing teachers also if your gona pull that card on plp

By: B3rmud!@N

B3rmud!@N — Fri, 15 Feb 2013 21:44:40 +0000

@ Tommy Chong to become a lifeguard there is an initial swim test that you must pass before being allowed to take the course. Individuals show up to that test and fail and many are Bermudians. No one is stirring any pot, you seem to have some knowledge to how the system works with the lifeguards, so if you go back and read you will see that everything I have stated is true…….. My point is that there should be programs in place to teach Bermudians who can’t swim to swim so that they can have the jobs, again there is absolutely no need for foreigners to work our beaches

By: Pastor Syl Hayward

Pastor Syl Hayward — Fri, 15 Feb 2013 21:14:23 +0000

I just had to pre-empt this post from further down on this thread, because some may give up reading before they get to it.
I hope all those folks who have been so negative and derogatory on this post note well the first name on this list of folks who created the proposed changes…including allowing the children of non-Bermudian workers to seek summer jobs without a work permit.

“The Work Permit Stakeholder Group includes:

Chris Furbert representing the Bermuda Trade Union Congress
Anthony Wolffe representing the Bermuda Trade Union Congress
Kellianne Gibbons representing the Bermuda Hotel Association
Charles Dunstan representing the Construction Association of Bermuda
Joanne MacPhee representing the Chamber of Commerce
Keith Jensen representing the Bermuda Employers Council
Doug Soares representing the Bermuda Human Resources Association
Richard Winchell representing the Association of Bermuda International Companies
Leila Maderios representing the Association of Bermuda Insurers and Reinsurers
Dr Danette Ming, Chief Immigration Officer
Cherie Whitter, Permanent Secretary Ministry of Home Affairs”

By: Pastor Syl Hayward

Pastor Syl Hayward — Fri, 15 Feb 2013 21:10:23 +0000

I just had to repost this. I hope all those folks who have been so negative and derogatory on this post note the first name on this list of folks who created the proposed changes…including allowing the children of non-Bermudian workers to seek summer jobs without a work permit.

The Work Permit Stakeholder Group includes:

By: Pastor Syl Hayward

Pastor Syl Hayward — Fri, 15 Feb 2013 20:45:25 +0000

What I heard was that people on work permits will have to sign a declaration that they fully understand the work permit does not entitle them to Bermudian status. Also, the work permit stipulates how long that person can be employed here. Term limits have nothing to do with that.

You are right that the immigration process has been failing us for quite a long time. There have been work permit abuses that have only increased in number during the last 4-5 years. Those loop holes will have to be closed, and it sounds like that is next on the cards. Not a minute too soon, either.

By: Tommy Chong

Tommy Chong — Fri, 15 Feb 2013 20:01:18 +0000

You can NOT work anywhere in the EU with a UK passport. You are only permitted to work in the UK with a UK passport providing you can get a job in an already heavily & highly competitive populated country. The UK is not the EU & the EU allows all its countries to make their own immigration laws for non EU people. Many countries in the EU have now adopted the Schengen Area laws which are extremely strict on foreign workers. There are places in the EU that even have TERM LIMITS & some are only for 3 years for certain occupations than you have to get out with no choice of permit renewal.

By: Shelta

Shelta — Fri, 15 Feb 2013 19:12:30 +0000

Where in this do you read that it is the country’s responsibility to provide employment? It says no such thing, only that it offers an opportunity.
I am Bermudian, but I remember trying to volunteer one summer here and being told I couldn’t; it was a unionized job and I’d be eating into overtime.

By: Shelta

Shelta — Fri, 15 Feb 2013 19:08:22 +0000

But Simon, you’re free to go and work anywhere in the EU, and no European lifelong resident has any advantage over you.
Give it a try. Heck, you may even find that when you return to Bermuda with that experience on your resume you’ll have an advantage over most other Bermudians. Neat trick!

By: Limey

Limey — Fri, 15 Feb 2013 17:54:09 +0000

Patrice minors*

By: Limey

Limey — Fri, 15 Feb 2013 17:53:08 +0000

It benefits bermuda by 1) improve Bermudians as a worker as they have more competition for jobs
And 2) entices IB companies to remain or move to Bermuda, as their children can work here in the summer, thus if there are more IB companies here, then there will be more jobs for Bermudians and more money coming in via taxes to ay the national debt!

You have to remember the policy was recommended by the work permit policy group that was led by article minors ex PLP, and ad Bermudian members including Chris Furbert BIU, surely Chris would have put his foot down on this policy, but as it was recommended we can understand that he was all for dependent children of wph to get summer jobs

By: jack

jack — Fri, 15 Feb 2013 17:53:04 +0000

Welcome to 2013 and popular online culture. Please don’t forget to add instagram to the list. You need a pic with the status update as well

During work hours there should be limited use of personal devices. A college graduate who is serious about his or her career should not be texting all day or updating facebook statues during work hours. If they are then I don’t blame you for not hiring them because I wouldn’t hire them either.

By: Jobs

Jobs — Fri, 15 Feb 2013 17:45:44 +0000

I’m all for the right person being employed hopefully a Bermudian! You can’t compare Bermuda to a larger country. Yes IB is needed to stimulate the economy but in this country there needs to be a fair balance as the locals need to be able to thrive in their own country of birth if they choose to stay or otherwise Bermudians will need to leave and relocate to another country for jobs. Most would rather not leave who I have talked to!

By: jack

jack — Fri, 15 Feb 2013 17:44:50 +0000

We have an unemployment crisis. Who are you to say these jobs aren’t for them? If you just finished college and your 25 then a summer job is for you. Limey you need to just STFU. You talk a lot BS.

I hope you don’t just agree because its the OBA. Not every policy is right. This is straight BS.

By: m3ke

m3ke — Fri, 15 Feb 2013 17:38:43 +0000

OK dropping term limits is fine. But his has gone wayyyyy too FAR. The OBA is pulling some Ewart some ish for foreigners.

By: m3ke

m3ke — Fri, 15 Feb 2013 17:37:27 +0000

Limey STFU. Seriously. You make no valid points on how this could benefit Bermudians.

By: m3ke@

m3ke@ — Fri, 15 Feb 2013 17:33:53 +0000

Limey you are an idiot. You make no valid points with your argument. Seriously you shouldn’t even post crap.

By: Free

Free — Fri, 15 Feb 2013 16:58:18 +0000

Thanks for avoiding the question. You brag now, wait until a foreigner takes your job and your so called great job performance had nothing to do with it. Remember those stereotypes of Bermudians you spew will apply to you as well, so they’ll get rid of you based off that notion alone. You’ll change your tune real quick then.

Where did I say anything about poor job performances and Bermudians should still be able to keep their job? Nowhere! That’s not what the discussion is about and if that was they case, obviously they should lose their job. Stop going off the deep end with your ramblings and stay on topic.

By: Free

Free — Fri, 15 Feb 2013 16:53:10 +0000

Um I don’t care about going to another country. I am talking about my country and I would not expect to go to another country and have a better advantage or more rights, OR equal rights than those native citizens. So thanks Captain Obvious. I know my place and when I am in another country I am a guest and act like one. Colleges are not the same as jobs. Logic fail. Do you think Americans would be fine with Bermudians going to their country and not needing any sort of work permit rights and can just walk into a job? Stop thinking all Bermudians are entitled. Bermudians who are qualified for a job should ALWAYS get the job over non-Bermudians. End of discussion.

By: Simon Says

Simon Says — Fri, 15 Feb 2013 16:51:17 +0000

If you can’t have an advantage in your own country then god help you. I’m tired of the bullcaca that says otherwise. If you can’t get a job in your own country, where do you go? These foreigners coming here aren’t all here because they can’t find work back in their home countries…they’re here because they see how much more they can make here. Meanwhile, Bermudians are getting the shaft. Then we wonder why we have the problems we do in this country?

It’s only a matter of time before these gangsters start turning their guns on another facet of society out of frustration…I wonder what will happen then, huh?

By: Free

Free — Fri, 15 Feb 2013 16:49:13 +0000

Stereotyping thousands of people is not speaking the truth.

By: Limey

Limey — Fri, 15 Feb 2013 16:48:45 +0000

The policy is pretty ambiguous. I think we should find out what constitutes a Summer Job! When does a summer job officially start and end, what kind of job comes under the term summer job? Can a summer job just be on the weekends, or just once a week, or just nights? Lets find out this before we move on.

By: Simon Says

Simon Says — Fri, 15 Feb 2013 16:46:13 +0000

@Roger: If your kids are lazy you only have yourself to blame. I think this proposal is pure crap! WTF? It’s bad enough for young people out there and many are hard-working…some even support their families. Children of many ex-pats are already sitting pretty and will probably only work for the experience or to keep themselves busy-not to actually help put food on the table.

I’m really starting to wonder about the OBA and exactly who are they working for here? It doesn’t look like they’re too concerned about Bermudians. They’re really starting to show their true colours and it’s mighty early in the game. The PLP warned us..it looks like they were right…

What on Earth have we done???

By: Tommy Chong

Tommy Chong — Fri, 15 Feb 2013 16:45:00 +0000

OOOOH REALLY!!!!

LMAO!!!!

I’m not the one chasing my past of not being able to work because mommy & daddy were PRC & not Bermudians. I would think that being able now to work as a business person in Bermuda is a big enough bone to suffice but I guess not.

As for commenter AD that you’ve chosen to side with I honestly don’t know how to remark on their one sentence comment that has no expansion to explain what they mean. I guess this would be the best response to them. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Qw9oX-kZ_9k

By: Limey

Limey — Fri, 15 Feb 2013 16:31:39 +0000

News Report says: “new addition that allows children under 19 years of age to work during the summer without the requirement for a work permit.”

‘No I meant what I typed X < 18 as in X is less than 18 since the amendment is referring to kids 18 and under so 19 is irrelevant.'

Surely you want a mathematical equation that states that X (the working age) is below 19 and not 19

X < 18 states that the working age is not 18 but instead 17 and below. That's why I used X < 19 or X ≤ 18. Which means the working age is 18 and below, but not 19.

It's better to be assumed an idiotic person, than open your mouth and remove all doubt.

By: Tommy Chong

Tommy Chong — Fri, 15 Feb 2013 16:21:27 +0000

They do it on a first come basis & let the cashiers watch them & keep them in line. Cashiers don’t play when it comes to grocery packers & I’ve seen them get told off before for messing about. If they don’t do a good job they get let go & the many other Bermudian kids waiting for a job get a turn.

You started with the derogatory comments towards me I’ve just done a Novak Djokovic on you & it seems that what you dish out you can’t handle when put back on your side.

Again! This is not about over 18 adults looking for a full time job its about Bermudian kids being shafted out of a job they REALLY need not just because they want to boost their self esteem. They need these jobs not just for the summer but also weekends & sometimes on evenings so it does become a year round subject.

By: Out n about

Out n about — Fri, 15 Feb 2013 16:04:45 +0000

Bermudians should get priority, but only if they meet the requirements. This sense of entitlement needs to stop.

How can i disagree with this policy? When I was in college in the states, I held 2 jobs during the school year and summer breaks. Why, because I applied and the employer felt I was suitable.

Bermudians, if you were given the opportunity to work abroad you would take it right…

Sometimes, I believe we as a community are selfish.

By: Tommy Chong

Tommy Chong — Fri, 15 Feb 2013 16:03:43 +0000

Do you expect adults to ride on their parents work permit or residence permit? It was granted to them not their children they are just along for the ride just as they would be in many other countries. Especially when they are adults already.

If you are so sore about this why don’t you ask your parents why they never applied for full citizenship in the many years they were here. PLP was giving it out like candies at a santa claus parade when they were first elected. Why didn’t they get it then?

By: Tommy Chong

Tommy Chong — Fri, 15 Feb 2013 15:54:09 +0000

No I meant what I typed X < 18 as in X is less than 18 since the amendment is referring to kids 18 and under so 19 is irrelevant in the sum of it just as your comment was irrelevant to the issue at hand. Here is a sight my children use if this is too hard for you to understand. http://www.mathsisfun.com/equal-less-greater.html

Sure i agree with you, “summer jobs aren't for those who have left school and looking fr full tie year round jobs” but what's this got to do with oba's plan that will take away summer jobs from locals 18 & under?

By: Limey

Limey — Fri, 15 Feb 2013 15:48:59 +0000

Chong is like a dog trying to chase his own tail

By: Limey

Limey — Fri, 15 Feb 2013 15:45:41 +0000

Don’t worry Tooth Fairy, I believe in you, I believe that no matter what I do, If I shove a tooth under my pillow, I’m ENTITLED to money