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		<title>By: Navin R. Johnson</title>
		<link>https://bernews.com/2013/07/abir-members-contribute-816m-to-bermuda/#comment-817859</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Navin R. Johnson]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 25 Jul 2013 15:41:16 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[In the case of restaurants Tommy i was referring to patrons although your point makes me realize that it applies to staff as well.....there are less than 60,000 people living here now and many are permit holders and there families as well as Bermudians........]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In the case of restaurants Tommy i was referring to patrons although your point makes me realize that it applies to staff as well&#8230;..there are less than 60,000 people living here now and many are permit holders and there families as well as Bermudians&#8230;&#8230;..</p>
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		<title>By: Tommy Chong</title>
		<link>https://bernews.com/2013/07/abir-members-contribute-816m-to-bermuda/#comment-817622</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Tommy Chong]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 25 Jul 2013 14:31:26 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[“then perhaps Bermuda needs another round of job exportation to help some of us to finally see the reality of the situation.”

OH YES PLEASE! Though instead of IB this time please let it be all the blue collar permit holders who&#039;s employers have hired them over a Bermudian. Then we would have jobs for the majority of unemployed &amp; Bermuda would have a TRUE grasp on the gravity of the current situation.

PLP biased their permit granting to employers of non IB workers while doing the opposite to IB permit holders &amp; OBA has done nothing to address this issue because they are afraid to step on toes.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>“then perhaps Bermuda needs another round of job exportation to help some of us to finally see the reality of the situation.”</p>
<p>OH YES PLEASE! Though instead of IB this time please let it be all the blue collar permit holders who&#8217;s employers have hired them over a Bermudian. Then we would have jobs for the majority of unemployed &amp; Bermuda would have a TRUE grasp on the gravity of the current situation.</p>
<p>PLP biased their permit granting to employers of non IB workers while doing the opposite to IB permit holders &amp; OBA has done nothing to address this issue because they are afraid to step on toes.</p>
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		<title>By: Tommy Chong</title>
		<link>https://bernews.com/2013/07/abir-members-contribute-816m-to-bermuda/#comment-817584</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Tommy Chong]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 25 Jul 2013 14:21:45 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[“I think anyone that works in IB knows someone that was term limited out and is now doing the same job for the same company but just from someplace outside Bermuda.”

Does it seem a bit odd to anyone else that only IB have had people term limited out while other types of workers have been allowed to stay? Of course that&#039;s unless they were a british car body painter than they get the same treatment as IB. But the others? I think an investigation should be done on this from employer to employee all the way up to who signed the renewed permit. Surely we can&#039;t have past or present government ministers skirting around past or present immigration laws &amp; getting away with it.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>“I think anyone that works in IB knows someone that was term limited out and is now doing the same job for the same company but just from someplace outside Bermuda.”</p>
<p>Does it seem a bit odd to anyone else that only IB have had people term limited out while other types of workers have been allowed to stay? Of course that&#8217;s unless they were a british car body painter than they get the same treatment as IB. But the others? I think an investigation should be done on this from employer to employee all the way up to who signed the renewed permit. Surely we can&#8217;t have past or present government ministers skirting around past or present immigration laws &amp; getting away with it.</p>
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		<title>By: Tommy Chong</title>
		<link>https://bernews.com/2013/07/abir-members-contribute-816m-to-bermuda/#comment-817511</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Tommy Chong]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 25 Jul 2013 14:01:50 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[When you suggest we look in the restaurants navin should we be looking at the patrons or employees to gauge the amount of permit holders who have left? You do know the scales tip heavily depending on who we are looking at in the restaurants to see how many permit holders still remain?]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>When you suggest we look in the restaurants navin should we be looking at the patrons or employees to gauge the amount of permit holders who have left? You do know the scales tip heavily depending on who we are looking at in the restaurants to see how many permit holders still remain?</p>
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		<title>By: Tommy Chong</title>
		<link>https://bernews.com/2013/07/abir-members-contribute-816m-to-bermuda/#comment-817486</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Tommy Chong]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 25 Jul 2013 13:54:47 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Blaming term limits for 77 job loses is highly speculative. Term limits were introduced in 2001 &amp; six years after there&#039;s a peak for ABIR Member&#039;s employment in Bermuda. It&#039;s very unlikely that every permit holder employed was on their sixth year after 2007 causing a the decline. The decline should have been gradual but noticeable from 2001 on as each employee reached their sixth year &amp; there would not have been a peek during this time if term limits was the cause.

The more likely cause would be the operational cost &amp; would concur with the global plight of job losses. OBA&#039;s first &amp; once elected was to do away with term limits &amp; half a year in nothing has been done to tackle the constant increase cost of operation. Since oba promised to do whatever it took to improve the economy but hasn&#039;t hence they haven&#039;t been honest in their promise.

I&#039;m neither a plp nor oba supporter &amp; only support ideas wherever they come from that help my country. On the other hand Mike McGavick as a true republican would do supports those in politics with ties to old money &amp; will spin the news to keep them looking like the ideal candidates. OBA has their koolaid just as plp did the only difference is the sugar in the oba&#039;s is more refined.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Blaming term limits for 77 job loses is highly speculative. Term limits were introduced in 2001 &amp; six years after there&#8217;s a peak for ABIR Member&#8217;s employment in Bermuda. It&#8217;s very unlikely that every permit holder employed was on their sixth year after 2007 causing a the decline. The decline should have been gradual but noticeable from 2001 on as each employee reached their sixth year &amp; there would not have been a peek during this time if term limits was the cause.</p>
<p>The more likely cause would be the operational cost &amp; would concur with the global plight of job losses. OBA&#8217;s first &amp; once elected was to do away with term limits &amp; half a year in nothing has been done to tackle the constant increase cost of operation. Since oba promised to do whatever it took to improve the economy but hasn&#8217;t hence they haven&#8217;t been honest in their promise.</p>
<p>I&#8217;m neither a plp nor oba supporter &amp; only support ideas wherever they come from that help my country. On the other hand Mike McGavick as a true republican would do supports those in politics with ties to old money &amp; will spin the news to keep them looking like the ideal candidates. OBA has their koolaid just as plp did the only difference is the sugar in the oba&#8217;s is more refined.</p>
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		<title>By: navin johnson</title>
		<link>https://bernews.com/2013/07/abir-members-contribute-816m-to-bermuda/#comment-816659</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[navin johnson]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 25 Jul 2013 10:19:38 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[not every ABIR member participated in this survey and there are many other companies in Bermuda who are not members of ABIR...look around the streets and restaurants and schools and tell me that only 77 people have left.....term limits,attitudes,lack of opportunity, costs, schools , etc....we will suffer from the previous Government for a long long time...]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>not every ABIR member participated in this survey and there are many other companies in Bermuda who are not members of ABIR&#8230;look around the streets and restaurants and schools and tell me that only 77 people have left&#8230;..term limits,attitudes,lack of opportunity, costs, schools , etc&#8230;.we will suffer from the previous Government for a long long time&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: Mike Hind</title>
		<link>https://bernews.com/2013/07/abir-members-contribute-816m-to-bermuda/#comment-815581</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Mike Hind]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 25 Jul 2013 04:47:48 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Don&#039;t cloud the issue with facts!
&quot;Seriously...&quot; has propaganda to spread!]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Don&#8217;t cloud the issue with facts!<br />
&#8220;Seriously&#8230;&#8221; has propaganda to spread!</p>
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		<title>By: No kickbacks</title>
		<link>https://bernews.com/2013/07/abir-members-contribute-816m-to-bermuda/#comment-815287</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[No kickbacks]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 25 Jul 2013 02:54:10 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Seems we lost a few regular bloggers on this one!]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Seems we lost a few regular bloggers on this one!</p>
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		<title>By: campervan</title>
		<link>https://bernews.com/2013/07/abir-members-contribute-816m-to-bermuda/#comment-814307</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[campervan]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 24 Jul 2013 18:44:48 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[If you are asking a genuine pertinent question then fair enough.
if, though, as I suspect, you are are trying to twist reality to score political points, then perhaps Bermuda needs another round of job exportation to help some of us to finally see the reality of the situation.

like it or not, Bermuda&#039;s fiscal future is tied to IB like never before and we are hanging on by a ball thread.
Did you know for example, that there is only just enough air lift to sustain IB&#039;s presence here. A few more weekly flights cancelled and they will not be able to function here.  They will up and go!
Please try to grasp the gravity of the current situation.
Unless of course you happy  hand lining for bibblers and selling trinkets to blue collar cruise ship passengers.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>If you are asking a genuine pertinent question then fair enough.<br />
if, though, as I suspect, you are are trying to twist reality to score political points, then perhaps Bermuda needs another round of job exportation to help some of us to finally see the reality of the situation.</p>
<p>like it or not, Bermuda&#8217;s fiscal future is tied to IB like never before and we are hanging on by a ball thread.<br />
Did you know for example, that there is only just enough air lift to sustain IB&#8217;s presence here. A few more weekly flights cancelled and they will not be able to function here.  They will up and go!<br />
Please try to grasp the gravity of the current situation.<br />
Unless of course you happy  hand lining for bibblers and selling trinkets to blue collar cruise ship passengers.</p>
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		<title>By: 77 v 3,000</title>
		<link>https://bernews.com/2013/07/abir-members-contribute-816m-to-bermuda/#comment-814224</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[77 v 3,000]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 24 Jul 2013 18:10:45 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[ABIR consists of a group of 21 of the very large reinsurance companies.  The 3,000 departures refers to all of Bermuda.

As to whether or not those jobs would still be here absent term limits - good question.  I think anyone that works in IB knows someone that was term limited out and is now doing the same job for the same company but just from someplace outside Bermuda.

According to the article, in 2012, 32 employees left Bermuda to work for their companies outside of Bermuda, of which 28 were Executive/Senior/or Middle Management positions.  How many of these people left because of term limits and how many left for personal reasons (i.e., they&#039;d had enough of Bermuda) is an open question.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>ABIR consists of a group of 21 of the very large reinsurance companies.  The 3,000 departures refers to all of Bermuda.</p>
<p>As to whether or not those jobs would still be here absent term limits &#8211; good question.  I think anyone that works in IB knows someone that was term limited out and is now doing the same job for the same company but just from someplace outside Bermuda.</p>
<p>According to the article, in 2012, 32 employees left Bermuda to work for their companies outside of Bermuda, of which 28 were Executive/Senior/or Middle Management positions.  How many of these people left because of term limits and how many left for personal reasons (i.e., they&#8217;d had enough of Bermuda) is an open question.</p>
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		<title>By: Sandgrownan</title>
		<link>https://bernews.com/2013/07/abir-members-contribute-816m-to-bermuda/#comment-814080</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Sandgrownan]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 24 Jul 2013 17:26:09 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[This is with ABIR only...]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>This is with ABIR only&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: Fed Up</title>
		<link>https://bernews.com/2013/07/abir-members-contribute-816m-to-bermuda/#comment-814071</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Fed Up]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 24 Jul 2013 17:23:16 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[How is the OBA lying to people, It says 77no longer employed not who left Bermuda. Take into account that thoise 77 peple had families so that will increase the number and I can personally attest to some Bermudians who left.

THe term limits and the high cost of operating in Bermuda has been a definite factor in companies laing off people.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>How is the OBA lying to people, It says 77no longer employed not who left Bermuda. Take into account that thoise 77 peple had families so that will increase the number and I can personally attest to some Bermudians who left.</p>
<p>THe term limits and the high cost of operating in Bermuda has been a definite factor in companies laing off people.</p>
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		<title>By: WOW</title>
		<link>https://bernews.com/2013/07/abir-members-contribute-816m-to-bermuda/#comment-813998</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[WOW]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 24 Jul 2013 16:45:10 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Well done Re-Insurance companies!  And props to the OBA for making these changes!]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Well done Re-Insurance companies!  And props to the OBA for making these changes!</p>
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		<title>By: Seriously....</title>
		<link>https://bernews.com/2013/07/abir-members-contribute-816m-to-bermuda/#comment-813938</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Seriously....]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 24 Jul 2013 16:22:33 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I thought 3000 people left Bermuda.. They say 77.. Why is the OBA steady lying to people. 

So if there were no term limits, does ABIR think that those 77 would still be here, or were they likely transferred to work in new offices that were expanding.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I thought 3000 people left Bermuda.. They say 77.. Why is the OBA steady lying to people. </p>
<p>So if there were no term limits, does ABIR think that those 77 would still be here, or were they likely transferred to work in new offices that were expanding.</p>
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