Comments on: Rev. Tweed Responds To Canon Francis’ Letter

By: Everett Outerbridge

Everett Outerbridge — Sat, 16 Aug 2014 22:38:48 +0000

@MJ – OK noted – thanks for the opportunity to chat.

By: mj

mj — Sat, 16 Aug 2014 13:41:42 +0000

Sin is confined to what God says it is not an opinion…So in your first sentence you corrected the previous allegation of so called “sin” committed by the rev.Tweed, in his rebuttal to canon Francis

By: mj

mj — Sat, 16 Aug 2014 13:36:37 +0000

where nare those white people fighting against white supremacy!!!!!!!I want to meet them!!!!!!!!!

By: Elizabeth

Elizabeth — Fri, 15 Aug 2014 14:36:21 +0000

but Shirley: What does his knowledge of church history have to do with this issue? And why is his church knowledge at all relevant to the PRC issue? I am very knowledgeable on natural history and geology in fact ther’s not a lot I don’t know about them. But I wouldn’t say that this would help me at all in judging the PRC issue. Why should Mr Tweeds knowledge of the church be any different and why would it make him an authority on anything other than the church? Juss sayin.

By: christian

christian — Fri, 15 Aug 2014 14:09:19 +0000

DIVIDING the CHURCH and DIVIDING the ISLAND is just plain WRONG

By: Elizabeth

Elizabeth — Fri, 15 Aug 2014 12:10:40 +0000

Thank you Alvin for confirming that you never went to University. You also never answered my question regarding Tweed. That is: What authority, apart from a belief in God, does Tweed have to be commenting on out prolems? Is a belief in God enough?

By: Elizabeth

Elizabeth — Fri, 15 Aug 2014 12:00:15 +0000

MPP: For the sake of your misundretsand I will try to clarify: Would you have a plumber fix your wiring? I doubt it, you’d rather get an expert in the field you are trying to fix. The fact is that Tweed is not as far as i know, experienced in matters of law or international affairs.

A person experienced in such matters would carry weight in my opinion. The only thing we can say about Tweed is that he believes in God.

Now if that is OK with you then great. But in my opinion it does not make him qualified to be an authority on this at all. All he did was bring religion and the associated guilt and BS along with it into the conversation. He comments have no value other than to try and control people thru their indoctrinated belief in a deity.

When you have no real point to make, but you still want to sway public opinion, get religion into it. It is used in politics all the time. It is just one of the problems with religion. It is used to control people. Have a ‘blessed’ day.

By: BEST RESPONSE

BEST RESPONSE — Fri, 15 Aug 2014 04:19:39 +0000

The BEST healing of advise by far from FATHER HAVE MERCY. Sounds like another AME Pastor crying out to his brother to get back to CHRIST

By: Barracuda

Barracuda — Fri, 15 Aug 2014 02:00:57 +0000

Reverend Tweed , you are not welcome here.

By: Everett Outerbridge

Everett Outerbridge — Fri, 15 Aug 2014 00:20:41 +0000

@MJ – if one confines sin to the transgression of GOD’s divine law, then one could conclude that Rev. Tweed did not sin. However, if one confines righteousness to loving God with all thy heart, soul and mind and loving your neighbor as yourself, then one might conclude that Rev. Tweed did am unrighteous thing. In my opinion, his words directed at Canon Francis was judgmental, Pharisaic and insulting. I don’t think he did the neighborly thing by attacking Canon Francis in this way. I believe Rev. Tweed is an intelligent, caring, loving and sincere pastor and he could have chosen to attack the issue and not the individual.

By: Jules

Jules — Thu, 14 Aug 2014 22:31:24 +0000

The Christian church has a role to play in social justice and should never abandon its role (as it looks like it has in the past). Looks like it is time for all church leaders to dialogue and then communicate with the government.

By: PBanks

PBanks — Thu, 14 Aug 2014 18:31:04 +0000

I don’t think “most” is a verifiable fact in this case, to be fair to those who do support gay rights in Bermuda

By: bdaboy

bdaboy — Thu, 14 Aug 2014 18:08:30 +0000

“The fact that the Anglican church has a long history of supporting slavery, is a reality. for those who cannot except the true facts, I can only say poor you. As the saying goes “IT IS WHAT IT IS”.”

Look at the AME churches stance AGAINST the rights of gay people around the world. Practice what you preach, or shut your hypocritical mouths.
The truth hurts, and the AME church is disgraceful in their treatment of a certain segment of the population.

By: shirley Richardson

shirley Richardson — Thu, 14 Aug 2014 16:29:27 +0000

I think that Rev Tweed’s letter was excellent, straight and to the point. It’s unfortunate that many of these comments, attacking Rev.
Tweed, is just and indication of the level of hate that some people have for the truth. You can blame the Rev, all you like the fact is that truth sometimes hurt.

Rev. Tweeds knowledge of church history, cannot be denied. The fact that the Anglican church has a long history of supporting slavery, is a reality. for those who cannot except the true facts, I can only say poor you. As the saying goes “IT IS WHAT IT IS”.

By: jonah

jonah — Thu, 14 Aug 2014 15:27:44 +0000

I can appreciate your equally biased opinion Mr Viera. The use of “well respected” suggest that you have polled folk from all segments of the country. Im sure you havent, therefore one man’s respect is anothers disdain.

Further, having lived and been educated in the deep south, I feel that I am a tad more qualified to speak on this matter than you. Let me simply say, Bermuda and the new south have many, many similarities, to include subtle, albeit extreme racism.

By: Jamwasea

Jamwasea — Thu, 14 Aug 2014 15:21:40 +0000

@ need peace,,, you boil my blood !

By: Jamwasea

Jamwasea — Thu, 14 Aug 2014 15:12:01 +0000

Tweed go back to wenst you came! How dare you take on the Government of the day on this subject !! Who are you ?? And where were you when the PLP DESTROYED this Island in their 14 year`s of non-performance and inability to take on this subject?
Stop saying you speak for the people, because I am people and you Sir “DO NOT” speak for me !! Man of the cloth my backside !

By: Alvin Williams

Alvin Williams — Thu, 14 Aug 2014 15:00:24 +0000

Let me tell you something Ms Elizabeth Trumparani ;I have never been to a university; never studied foreign affairs in a academic setting but believe me I can discuss foreign affairs have written on many aspects of foreign affairs; international relations between countries; historical back ground to conflicts between nations’ internal conflicts between peoples within the same national border. Look at the archives of the old Mid-Ocean News. Go to the library and look old additions of the Workers Voice and see that which I speak off. Makes no difference how I got here; the fact is I am here; a testimony to human potential but more importantly a testimony to Bermudian potential. Now I see that you have complete contempt for religious sentiment and in particular Rev. Tweed. Well that is just too bad on your part. Mankind has always had a spiritual impulse and despite your disdain for the said it is unlikely to be stamp out. As for the cause that Rev. Tweed is one of the leaders; well it like this; it is a question as to whose country this is and we the Bermudian people are not going to allowed it to be taken away from us. We will resist and resolve once and for all that this country belongs to the Bermudian people.

By: mj

mj — Thu, 14 Aug 2014 14:53:15 +0000

@terry—you mean another swizzle..lmao…

By: mj

mj — Thu, 14 Aug 2014 14:49:11 +0000

@ lev.outerbridge–what sin did Rev. Tweed commit in his alledged anger? just askin?

By: mj

mj — Thu, 14 Aug 2014 14:43:22 +0000

@Mike—Romans 9:13–As it is written, Jacob have I loved , but Esau have I hated. What shall we say then? Is there unrighteousness with God? God forbid. The whole chapter is worth reading for better understanding of people like Rev. Tweed et al.

By: mj

mj — Thu, 14 Aug 2014 14:23:05 +0000

@Bermale–Matthew 10:34-36—-”Think not that I am come to send peace on earth: I came not to send peace , but a sword. For I am come to set a man at variance against his father, and daughter against her mother, and daughter-in -law against her mother-in-law.And a man’s foes shall be they of his own household.

By: Tell it like it is

Tell it like it is — Thu, 14 Aug 2014 13:59:16 +0000

What is so amazing, some people have the nerve to quote The Rev. Martin Luther King when a large portion of white folk hated the man for what he stood for. They didn’t even want to extend the basic human right of sitting down in a restaurant and using the restroom. They fought tooth and nail to maintain that racist system. Even here in Bermuda, it took so much fighting and protesting before we could receive our basic human rights. Inequality is staring us right in the face in Bermuda up until today. We just don’t want to admit it. Unless we straighten it out, it is going to blow right up in our face, believe me.

By: mj

mj — Thu, 14 Aug 2014 13:56:12 +0000

ever considered maybe “God” is using Reverend Tweed?….Just to prove His diversity? hmmm did you ever think of that!!after all What exactly is the true representation pof “GOD”? The book”BIBLE” describes “GOD” as many things including a GOD of War, a “GOD” of Abraham, Isaac and Jacob, A GOD of Sun and shield,.. ect

By: mj

mj — Thu, 14 Aug 2014 13:47:46 +0000

It is very interesting that a people just here no more than twenty-five years, and have contributed zilch to the foundation of this country, can actually believe they have a right to be who the people of this island have been since birth; just because they emerged from the shadow of dust from an airplane…It amazes me that those people have not come forward to say who they are,.. who are these PRCs? come forward and state who you are and why should you be granted an opportunity to be called a citizen of an island whose people are yet to know their true history and identity and who continue to live daily in the shadow of their slave masters children and their friends.. Why would you want to be identified with a group of people apparently confused and misdirected about who they are via a constitutional order that changes at whim, seems anything is possible in Bermuda, one can just become that ambiguious “name” because they were allowed to participate in a capitalist society that chose to import workers rather than take care of the population so-called “Bermudians” who were given a name by stealth, and are controlled through the wealth of those who continue to exploit the ignorance of the aforementioned… We should demand to know the truth about our existence rather than ask for equality.Who is actually fighting to become an “overseas territory citizen” in 2014…something up with that..Canon Francis letter is a reflection of that confusion of a group of people who acquiese rather than act…@wondering.. do your homework and find out more about the TWEEDs of Bermuda, um sure there is a whole lot you don’t know about. All of us!! Public Access to information will undoubtedly unlock a lot of previously kept secrets..shhh

By: BlueFamiliar

BlueFamiliar — Thu, 14 Aug 2014 13:27:03 +0000

I’m sorry, Mr. Williams. But Rev Tweed is not taking the side of this particular Bermudian, or a long list of other Bermudians. He is standing against me and a good deal of that which I believe.

In response to this “but I say if it is hate than it is the hate that hate produce.”

As a man of god, this is an unacceptable perspective. A person with god in their heart does not meet hate with hate. They meet hate with love and the strength of what is right.

I’ll make it clear, I have no problem with the AME church, or religions in general, but I do have a problem with the words of Rev Tweed and yourself.

It makes me sad to hear such anger that must be eating away at your souls.

When I was a child, I used the words hate. But when I became and adult I learned what hatred meant and would have none of it.

May you find peace.

By: Navin Johnson

Navin Johnson — Thu, 14 Aug 2014 13:23:22 +0000

After meeting Reverend Tweed I thought he was a white man using a preachers speech pattern….not that it matters that was before the Peoples Campaign started

By: foldgers

foldgers — Thu, 14 Aug 2014 12:47:33 +0000

The earlier statement is directed at Dr.Wendell Christopher..and I totally agree with wrong

By: foldgers

foldgers — Thu, 14 Aug 2014 12:39:52 +0000

yawn… In a public forum your lowly pride means little in the context of a decent argument of a point. The name dropping and resume presenting nullifies your point. But hey, thats onle MY opionion. I would hear better if the thounderous sound of smugness and perception of well connect, were not muting the point you were trying to make. You were trying to make a point were’nt you?

By: PBanks

PBanks — Thu, 14 Aug 2014 12:28:59 +0000

Varied is addressing your question “Where in any religious text does it say this”, not trying to rescue Rev Tweed.

By: Raymond Ray

Raymond Ray — Thu, 14 Aug 2014 12:01:50 +0000

It’s a perfect example of the “blind leading the blind”. If they don’t know about the $800 million then they don’t want to know (or are plain old stupid!)
The money was borrowed to keep Bermuda dollar worth something for today and tomorrow. Just like and automobile needs fuel / gas so do Governments need money…It’s elementary, 1 plus 1 makes 2 But, 1 from 1 leaves none

By: Raymond Ray

Raymond Ray — Thu, 14 Aug 2014 11:53:23 +0000

Here here!!!! 32n64w you’ve written what needed to be written but, you need to submit your letter onto the B.I.U. and P.L.P. and of course the O.B.A. as well as Immigration.

By: Mr. Sparkle

Mr. Sparkle — Thu, 14 Aug 2014 11:51:16 +0000

He is not a Bermudian – he is on a work permit. However, he is setting the example that all work permit holders can now have a voice in local politics…..

By: JH

JH — Thu, 14 Aug 2014 11:44:29 +0000

Ever notice how when someone tries to get a point across but has no point to make – they get a religious person involed?

In the old days PLP would call the race card when they had no point to make – at least they seem to have moved on from that.

It matters not whether Tweed is white, Black, Bermudian or not. What matters is how much he knows about the letter of the law and international affairs.

All we know is that he talks about old fictional characters, and collects money from people on the weekend. Just how does that make him any more qualified to speak than anyone else?

Would you take a plumber, taxi driver, waiter or anyone else as your spokesman? Then why take a man of the cloth. What special skill does he have apart from a belief in a magic man in the sky. And why does this make him in any way credible? At least the plumber, taxi driver, waiter take our money after doing something for us – not just promising us eternity after we die.

By: Raymond Ray

Raymond Ray — Thu, 14 Aug 2014 11:42:54 +0000

This character “Rev.Tweed” is a sorry so and so…I can only imagine he’d been a nobody where he was prior to coming to Bermuda to aggravate the majority with his ludicrous innuendoes.
There are a few others “that fit into them shoes” and Bermudians need to recognize them for what they really are…People like “Sharpton” who relishes on hyping up the masses and distracting them from “truths and lies”

By: MPP

MPP — Thu, 14 Aug 2014 11:18:36 +0000

I don’t even remotely agree with Rev Tweed but your comment is plain ignorant.

Care to comment on what he said, rather than the fact that you disagree with his faith?

By: Hmmm

Hmmm — Thu, 14 Aug 2014 11:15:08 +0000

How many deaths in the streets fighting for freedom and in what years?

By: Hmmm

Hmmm — Thu, 14 Aug 2014 11:13:00 +0000

It was factual.

By: Hmmm

Hmmm — Thu, 14 Aug 2014 11:11:15 +0000

Me myself and I from the AME leaders is disgusting. The praise should be to God , NOT FALSE IDOLS!!!!!!!!!

This sheds a new light on it. Frankly, I’m shocked.

By: Concerning

Concerning — Thu, 14 Aug 2014 11:09:03 +0000

This is just so very sad. We should be drawing people to church NOT turning them away

By: Rockfish#1

Rockfish#1 — Thu, 14 Aug 2014 10:29:08 +0000

When the pot begins to boil, Tweed will catch the nearest taxi, with his non Bermudian passport in hand, and head for the airport.

By: Rockfish#1 and 2

Rockfish#1 and 2 — Thu, 14 Aug 2014 10:05:24 +0000

He is NOT a Bermudian you twit! I wonder what the Presiding Elder of the AME Church thinks about this man’s activities?

By: Wazzzzz Up

Wazzzzz Up — Thu, 14 Aug 2014 04:02:44 +0000

You wont see it! Kinda like you pretended not to see the white mental illness sign that woman carried at the last march.

By: Wazzzzz Up

Wazzzzz Up — Thu, 14 Aug 2014 03:58:15 +0000

I believe he was born here but lived in the UK and USA.

Aren’t Revs supposed to promote love and togetherness? Aren’t they supposed to promote forgiveness?

By: bdaboy

bdaboy — Thu, 14 Aug 2014 03:27:38 +0000

“It’s sad but true that you can never speak to some white people about injustices for they will never get it.”

It’s even more sad that most black people hate gays and lesbians so much they’d march in protest against equal rights for all Bermudians….in other words, they’re no better than the white people they hate so much.

By: bdaboy

bdaboy — Thu, 14 Aug 2014 03:02:04 +0000

You’re comparing Tweed to MLK? You obviously have no respect for MLK.

By: Tell it like it is

Tell it like it is — Thu, 14 Aug 2014 02:43:14 +0000

Sure you did because he tread on your toes.

By: Tell it like it is

Tell it like it is — Thu, 14 Aug 2014 02:37:25 +0000

It is obvious that white folk vote based on race, more so than black folk. I don’t know where you are getting your information nothing but the truth.

By: Tell it like it is

Tell it like it is — Thu, 14 Aug 2014 02:19:35 +0000

Who cares whether or not you take issue with what Rev Tweed has put forward Jt. He is perfectly right with his evaluation of our divided society. Any time a black man speakers up against injustice in this country he is hauled over the coals. Anyone who can’t see that injustice is prevalent in this country is not being honest. Like Rev. Tweed said, enough is enough.

By: wrong

wrong — Thu, 14 Aug 2014 02:10:48 +0000

The above statement by the Hon. Rev.Dr.Wendell O.E.Christopher,Sr seems to be focusing on SELF. “I do this and I do that” If YOU are concerned about YOUR country why don’t you return and contribute…Also, your late uncle Frederick L.Wade,( may his soul rest in peace)would NOT be proud of his beloved PLP performance the 14 years they were in power !!