Comments on: Minister: 620 Applications For Bermudian Status

By: Ed Case

Ed Case — Thu, 19 Feb 2015 14:58:40 +0000

Once again for all PLP-person: It isn’t and never was a ‘Lou-Poyal’.

It is THE LAW!

By: Politricks

Politricks — Thu, 19 Feb 2015 13:20:24 +0000

Yeah I know. 5,000 jobs were lost between 2007 and 2012. Where did they go? We should ask the powers that be what happened to them under reign. But that is called responsibility and it is an oxymoron for that particular Party.

By: Fluffy

Fluffy — Thu, 19 Feb 2015 13:11:15 +0000

But those 2,000 jobs though…

By: Fluffy

Fluffy — Thu, 19 Feb 2015 13:08:26 +0000

The 2,000 jobs are not coming. That’s real.

By: Creamy

Creamy — Thu, 19 Feb 2015 11:03:30 +0000

Walton Brown’s June 7, 2014 press release demanding the government suspend applications listed 6,000 who “fall under the category”.

Now there will be a lot of backtracking, of course.

By: Not only ...

Not only ... — Thu, 19 Feb 2015 10:59:37 +0000

Not only wouldn’t we be having this conversation but the Opposition would be screaming bloody murder that the process needed to be accelerated so that all the applicants would receive their status immediately (if not sooner).

By: Build a Better Bermuda

Build a Better Bermuda — Thu, 19 Feb 2015 01:18:40 +0000

They never said the 2000 jobs would appear overnight, as it would take time to stop the runaway train that our economic failure had become. Scrapping the referendum was one of their greatest acts thus far, as the attempt to petition the referendum back shows, it was not wanted by the vast majority of Bermudians (hey, what do you know, the OBA listened to the people) and would have been a waste of taxpayer dollars. To date, the OBA has maintained civil servant jobs, even now having to go so far as to cut social assistance programs, so that civil servants can remain employed, and now thanks to their union, without having to feel the same sacrifice the private sector has had to endure for about 8 years.

By: Build a Better Bermuda

Build a Better Bermuda — Thu, 19 Feb 2015 01:09:04 +0000

Yes, but remember, spouses must wait 10 years before they are eligible, as they have to be married and living with a Bermudian for 10 years before they can apply. Also due to the date limitations on eligible children, there will still not be that huge an influx from them

By: Yardie

Yardie — Thu, 19 Feb 2015 00:24:12 +0000

What Civil servants have lost their jobs???

By: Mockingjay

Mockingjay — Wed, 18 Feb 2015 22:04:04 +0000

That’s Politricks, just like 2000 jobs, Referendum, Civil Servants wont loose their jobs, etc.

By: Trulytruly

Trulytruly — Wed, 18 Feb 2015 21:36:41 +0000

It was a full page scaremongering campaign back during the 2007 election. Derrick Burgess as min of immigration led the charge. I remember the rhetoric very well.

By: Ruthless

Ruthless — Wed, 18 Feb 2015 21:10:52 +0000

We wouldn’t even be having this conversation if it were 3000 to 7000 people that were going to vote PLP!

By: Ed Case

Ed Case — Wed, 18 Feb 2015 20:28:32 +0000

My sincere apologies to those with genuine mental disabilites. To the rest of you – not so much.

By: BT Checker

BT Checker — Wed, 18 Feb 2015 19:53:58 +0000

I agree with Quinton. Point out issues whoever you support – but don’t act like a 10 year old in doing so. (I think this goes both ways of course)

By: jonah

jonah — Wed, 18 Feb 2015 18:13:25 +0000

One day it will progress beyond simple name calling – we are on course…

Bleak!!

By: Rich

Rich — Wed, 18 Feb 2015 17:50:20 +0000

Yes, that was their reasoning at the time. The problem with their methodology is that they were double counting various individuals. For example, on the basis that after 10 years of being married to a new Bermudian, the current PRC spouse would be entitled to apply, they were added to the mix. However, most of those current PRC spouses will be entitled to apply for status as PRCs themselves. So a marriage containing two PRCs magically became 4 new Bermudians.

They also looked at census figures to see how many children of PRCs there were, assuming they would eventually be entitled to status. However, many of these children will already be Bermudians. Adult children who aren’t would not be entitled to Bermudian status if they are over 22 at the time their parents obtained status.

By: Real Talk(original)

Real Talk(original) — Wed, 18 Feb 2015 17:49:09 +0000

Actually the PLP cited 1300 eligible PRCs, 1100 spouses and 2,000 children…

By: James

James — Wed, 18 Feb 2015 17:42:59 +0000

The PLP need to be held accountable for mistruths and scaremongering. Some of the folks in the PLP were screaming about the ruling “opening the floodgates,” and that the number of new Bermudians would be in the range of 5,000+. Even the Governments estimate of 1,700, while closer, was high.

As someone else said in here, no, the PLP were never very good with numbers. All of their protestations in this regard were flat-out untrue, meant to incite people and spur anti-immigrant sentiment in Bermuda.

By: Terry

Terry — Wed, 18 Feb 2015 17:37:37 +0000

Drink rum.

By: Quinton Berkley Butterfield

Quinton Berkley Butterfield — Wed, 18 Feb 2015 17:37:16 +0000

*different views

By: Quinton Berkley Butterfield

Quinton Berkley Butterfield — Wed, 18 Feb 2015 17:36:35 +0000

We are never going to move forward as a country, as long as people keep disrespecting each other. “PLP-tards” is both insulting to the people that hold the same views as you and people with genuine mental disabilities.

By: Quinton Berkley Butterfield

Quinton Berkley Butterfield — Wed, 18 Feb 2015 17:33:09 +0000

Yes, someone schooled me to this. Thanks for reiterating.

By: Carlton Smith

Carlton Smith — Wed, 18 Feb 2015 17:16:00 +0000

Not a PLP fan either, but gotta whisper at you that they actually said it left that number of people actual eligible to submitan application.

Not liking them,doesn’t mean we just say any old thing. Our personal integrity so that people can trust us holds more weight and ia far more important than rhe image of a particular party.

By: Truth is killin' me...

Truth is killin' me... — Wed, 18 Feb 2015 16:50:19 +0000

Gotta jump through hoops to apply for status after ten years of marriage. The amount of documentation wanted by imigration is ludicrous. Should be easier to apply in this instance. A marriage certificate should suffice as long as the spouse is Bermudian!

By: Grizz

Grizz — Wed, 18 Feb 2015 16:33:21 +0000

Why do people feel it necessary to bash people and call them names for supporting a party? I see some of the names called and honestly if some of you people, who are hiding behind pen names, called me some of these names to my face I could guarantee there would be problems. And this is not a threat but I am merely stating facts. You all claim to be adults…stop with the petty name calling. WE DON’T HAVE TO AGREE ON EVERYTHING!!

By: BT Checker

BT Checker — Wed, 18 Feb 2015 16:09:58 +0000

So assuming out of these 620 only 500 hundred get it. And assuming of those 75% are married or still married and not divorced. And then of the that are married for 10 years 50% have at least one child who can qualify it was still a total exaggeration to incite the masses.

Why cant they be brought to task for this? Show us where they got their figures from. Accountability.

By: hmmm

hmmm — Wed, 18 Feb 2015 16:04:40 +0000

Scaremongering, misinformation and divisiveness = 7000 or 8000

who said that again…wasn’t it the PLP

By: Ed Case

Ed Case — Wed, 18 Feb 2015 15:58:53 +0000

PLP-tards said 6,000. So it is 600. Ah well, they were never good with figures were they?

Still, this is an opportunity for folks to complain about how they are the only ‘Real Bermudians’ or as they say ‘Grassroots Bermudians’ and we know what that really means.

By: Waiting

Waiting — Wed, 18 Feb 2015 15:58:11 +0000

It will take 4.5 years to process the huge backlog at this rate. Even without the additional applicants that have not yet applied.

Spouses only receive Status after ten years of marriage AFTER the first grant of Status. Probably the same applies to children.

Can Status be given postumously?!

By: Will

Will — Wed, 18 Feb 2015 15:50:41 +0000

OH MY GOD! OH NO! 620 applications! What ever happened to the 5000 that were supposed to be granted status and vote against the PLP????

By: campervan

campervan — Wed, 18 Feb 2015 15:37:25 +0000

Putting aside the moral issue of denying citizenship for so many years;
The fact of the matter is that a vast majority of eligible candidates are now at least 50 years old.
Most were not willing to bank their future on a “maybe one day you will belong”
As a consequence many have put plans in place to spend their golden years in another jurisdiction where equality is a guarantee.

The end result of this will be that there will be less folk living on the Island and paying towards civil service/medical/infrastructure.
Those that remain must suck it up and share the cost.

If there had been a recognised, sensible path to citizenship we would be experiencing less fiscal pain now.

By: Hang up and try your call again

Hang up and try your call again — Wed, 18 Feb 2015 15:32:49 +0000

So, that’s roughly 1% of the population of which 10% of that has been approved. I seriously doubt that it has a negative impact on Bermuda, and more than likely those who have gained are here for the betterment of Bermuda as well.

By: Quinton Berkley Butterfield

Quinton Berkley Butterfield — Wed, 18 Feb 2015 15:21:36 +0000

Whether this is what will happen, I don’t know. I’m just stating the facts of what the PLP said.

By: Raymond Ray

Raymond Ray — Wed, 18 Feb 2015 15:20:11 +0000

1 plus 1 has always added up to 2…Where did the Opposition Party, (P.L.P.)come up with thousands?

By: Trulytruly

Trulytruly — Wed, 18 Feb 2015 15:19:30 +0000

Even 7000 at one point.

By: Sad

Sad — Wed, 18 Feb 2015 15:19:13 +0000

No the PLP said 8,000! But in all fairness numbers don’t seem to be the PLP’s thing.

By: Quinton Berkley Butterfield

Quinton Berkley Butterfield — Wed, 18 Feb 2015 15:18:17 +0000

I think that what the PLP said was that it would balloon, once parents, children and spouses or other family members were added to the numbers after the initial applicants gained status.

By: Navin Johnson

Navin Johnson — Wed, 18 Feb 2015 15:08:38 +0000

That is impossible..The PLP said there would be thousands of applications..they could not be wrong could they?

By: BT Checker

BT Checker — Wed, 18 Feb 2015 15:07:56 +0000

I thought it was 3000. Or was it 5000?

Betty?