Comments on: Column: Fahy On “Birthright And What’s Right”

By: Izzypop

Izzypop — Thu, 10 Mar 2016 20:21:41 +0000

America has Ted Cruz running for president. Where was he born?

By: mj

mj — Sat, 18 Jul 2015 01:16:43 +0000

@Lynn—how do you explain the people in bermudians called bermudians who also are referred through passport and on island as”overseas territory citizens” please explain why it is that Bermuda status differs from people that have the reference of “overseas territory citizens”? what does that mean, how did it come about, and why are we stuck with that reference which is why some status bermudians also have a passport that explains a different nationality.. Although we are allowed at present to reside and live in the overseas territory the right has not always existed yet we are claimed by the territory that called us such citizens? So although britian claims us as overseas territory citizens, our rights are not always the same as those who were born over there in britian… people that come to bermuda and apply for status do not become overseas territory citizens they just become “status” bermudians, so the real issue is that of the people referred to as”overseas territory citizens”… can you assist these people with their origins?

By: charles

charles — Fri, 17 Jul 2015 20:14:59 +0000

Fetigan – Avoid using Someone else’s name to sling mud. It is rude, ignorant and unkind. Those two men have done much to help others, whether you agree with their politics or not. To continue to do is being ‘Fetigan’

See what I mean…?

ON the topic. Comprehensive Immigration reform has been called for. But it seems as though no one wants to have the conversation, Why?
Now there’s an uncomfortable truth!

By: charles

charles — Fri, 17 Jul 2015 19:49:21 +0000

Enough of this: There are no real Bermudians? Then there are no real Americans, Canadians, Brits, Aussies or Europeans. Because as you say / deduce everyone came from somewhere else. That would mean that no matter where you come from / call home, you are really an African. The Cradle of civilization. Everyone migrated to somewhere else. Including Bermuda. The only thing that the rest of the world has on us is that they have centuries of domestication from Africa, north to Europe and Asia. Yet each of these countries claim a birthright. But just because Bermuda does not have as many years behind us, we have to forego that philosophy? Bull_. We cannot call ourselves Bermudians, establish our rights and privileges as we see fit just like anyone else on this earth. So every time I hear this discussion, why do you want to deny us a birthright I have to ask. Your motives are more than “because there is no such thing”. I dare say it is because some people want to maintain / retain / establish a vested interest in Bermuda, and still have rights and privileges elsewhere. You still want to call the shots in this country and be able to bail when it suits you. Some Bermudians don’t have that luxury/privilege. When the poo hits the fan, and it will ( but that’s another subject) who will welcome us with open arms ?

So as you can deduce, I am a Nationalist. Bermuda thru and thru.
Can’t wait to get rid of “quo fata ferunt” or as we say nowadays
“Whatever”……

By: mj

mj — Thu, 16 Jul 2015 22:28:13 +0000

very well said M Fredrick, that is exactly it! not offensive just facts , because most of us that classify ourselves as Bermudians just happen to be here when we were CALLED that , and very true other people were given a choice,.,. we all have a true nationality and being “Bermudian” isn’t a nationality.It is only a status of people who were born here or assimilated in through permanancy certificate or marriage application but we all had to apply after some point in our history it wasn’t just assumed, so technically we are all “paper” bermudians, although people that actually carry a paper regarding their status have more rights than”accidental” Bermudians because when they are off island they can contact immigration department in Bermuda who will verify their “status”; however a born Bermudian”accidentally”, cannot contact bermuda’s immmigration department when overseas for verification of status , British embassy has to verify the status ofso called”accidental” bermudians.

By: Build a Better Bermuda

Build a Better Bermuda — Thu, 16 Jul 2015 19:02:06 +0000

Regional/global, does it really matter, no. They are symptoms of the same darkness, the same darkness that it is apparent that you choose to harbour in yourself, your justification for your own failings to rise above the weakness that the darkness feeds from. If you feel so wronged for your ancestors having been taken from their homeland, why don’t you go back there, it is apparent you don’t like society here.

By: Build a Better Bermuda

Build a Better Bermuda — Thu, 16 Jul 2015 18:50:11 +0000

They have reduced the number of job losses from somewhere around 8000 over the PLP’s last 5 year period to 800 in the first 2 and half years of their tenure.

By: Cromwell

Cromwell — Thu, 16 Jul 2015 18:07:29 +0000

There are at least 1000 children born in Bermuda with out fathers who in the past were considered illegitimate. There are children and young adults in Bermuda who do not know who their mother or father is. If they are born in Bermuda I take the position they have a Bermudian birthright.

The physical circumstances of your birth the location and the astrological signs at the time, and your genetic blood relations have a great unseen determination of your life.

You do not belong to the state and a child born in Bermuda does not belong to the state.

All rights do not originate from Government.

Privilege in today’s Bermuda cat be discriminatory but demands equality.

A child born in Bermuda has human rights let alone Bermudian rights any thing less is a travesty to what it means to be Bermudian.

By: Onion juice

Onion juice — Thu, 16 Jul 2015 18:01:40 +0000

As you notice these were regional conflicts which is common among factional tribes.
Not like countries who traveled halfway around the world to systematically slaughter, rape, murder the NATIVES and plunder the land of its riches to build and enhance their desolate land and then brutally and inhumanly enslave the NATIVES away from their HOME for four centuries spread throughout the Western hemisphere where they endured decades of injustice and still feeling the ramifications off the evil system from the well established recipients off the SYSTEM.

By: alsys

alsys — Thu, 16 Jul 2015 17:45:27 +0000

You are wrong. We are an OT now and that cannot be rescinded. Bermudians will always and have always had the ability to reside in the UK as they are British citizens. The only difference is now we are allowed to have British passports *without* having to reside in the UK first and are afford EU status as well as long as the UK stays in the EU.

I get that the PLP’s master place to ripping back power using disinformation and emaotion disingenuity but wow. You guys aren’t even trying to skirt the truth anymore just headlong into outright lying.

By: Terry

Terry — Thu, 16 Jul 2015 17:42:42 +0000

Again
The further a society drifts from the truth, the more it will hate those that speak it”.

Shalom.

By: Terry

Terry — Thu, 16 Jul 2015 17:39:47 +0000

266 comments.
The law is the law.

If people used their real names there would be 25.

So much anger built up by propaganda spreading.

RIP The Isle’s of Devils.

Irony.

By: AF87

AF87 — Thu, 16 Jul 2015 17:08:03 +0000

Haha, I absolutely agree with you. I have spent many evenings discussing the get out plan with prominent expats, people who have families, pay massive rents, buy local, probably spend hundreds of dollars in stores that employ Bermudians (sory sorry, BORN Bermudians).
These families are all ready to leave, with savings of thousands of dollars. leaving behind an empty 6 bed house (with BORN Bermudian landlord…), firing a house cleaner (also BORN Bermudian), leaving a private school over $20,000 DOWN in the next semester, not paying for ballet classes, soccor camps etc run by BORN Bermudians, no longer paying for mailboxes and all the other things….
Think about that for a second!!!

By: Build a Better Bermuda

Build a Better Bermuda — Thu, 16 Jul 2015 17:03:00 +0000

The Chinese communist regimes have seized countries like Tibet and many other bordering regions, more often than not reducing the local populations to second class citizens, and that continues today. The Japanese occupied areas of China and the Philippines, starving and killing many in the local populations. The Hutu killed around 800,000 Tutsi for their lands in a genocide only 2 decades ago. Between the 16th and 19th centuries, the Barbary/Ottoman Empire is estimated to have taken around 1.25m Europeans and that number again from other areas, as slaves for sale in North Africa. ISIS brutally kills and suppresses local populations that they occupy as they seek to create their own state. Others like Boko Haram seek to do the same.

We cannot ignore the ugliness that can exist in the darkest parts of human nature, nor can we say it is a symptom of a single group.

By: smh

smh — Thu, 16 Jul 2015 17:01:54 +0000

Ah…so you’re better than Senator Fahy because you’re born here. Got it.

By: George

George — Thu, 16 Jul 2015 16:57:27 +0000

There is no such thing as birth right privileges in Bermuda and that is the whole point of the article! No one automatically obtains Bermudian citizenship (and all rights that go with it) because they were born in Bermuda, it is not the same as the US etc. You have to be born of a Bermudian parent and prove such to the Department of Immigration to be considered for Bermudian citizenship full stop! So lets stop with the (self)deceit because you don’t want to lose face and face the facts. Sorry you were led to believe your status was unique because you were born here but you’re not entitled to anything more than the rest of us Onions! The best example is those 20 kids, I bet some of them were born here, spent all their young lives here and guess what they were not given Bermudian citizenship because they did not qualify (even though they were born here) hence they had to leave!

By: smh

smh — Thu, 16 Jul 2015 16:48:47 +0000

Need Peace. I’m ashamed to have to share this island with the likes of you. What you need is a life and soon

By: Rhonda

Rhonda — Thu, 16 Jul 2015 16:39:46 +0000

there is not right to reside in the UK, for born Bermudians, it is a privilege that is granted and one that can be taken away….at the will of the UK

By: watchmen

watchmen — Thu, 16 Jul 2015 16:03:01 +0000

The false media labels them as such when really they are fighting to defend the country their fathers stole!

By: Rhonnie aka BlueFamiliar

Rhonnie aka BlueFamiliar — Thu, 16 Jul 2015 15:56:56 +0000

I don’t believe there is any difference. If someone holds Bermudian citizenship they are Bermudian, end story.

However, I’m going to play devil’s advocate here and go with your sort of thinking.

Fahy’s parents moved to Bermuda.
Cox’s parents left Bermuda.
Which shows greater dedication to the country?

By: watchmen

watchmen — Thu, 16 Jul 2015 15:49:01 +0000

Doubly so for UBP and the nonbermudaalliance Zevon…

By: watchmen

watchmen — Thu, 16 Jul 2015 15:39:00 +0000

They did not come they were dragged lest you forget….

By: Bermudian Momma

Bermudian Momma — Thu, 16 Jul 2015 15:37:54 +0000

Correction: “My choices are the nine parishes of Bermuda unless I chose to apply for a UK Passport.” A recently reinstated priledge that can be revoked again.

By: Tough Love

Tough Love — Thu, 16 Jul 2015 15:37:33 +0000

Your son was an accident. To say that a whole set of people were accidentally born here….. my my my. The arrogance…. I can’t even…..

By: watchmen

watchmen — Thu, 16 Jul 2015 15:34:36 +0000

Deflection, Ed, proves you are incapable of disproving what he said. men have robbed, raped, pillaged and plundered more in these past two centuries than all of humanity before them. And continue to do so today under the guise of fighting “terrorists” or in aid to “humanitarian” interests.

The underlying structure would be continued central banking hegemony and a eugenicist movement seeking to eradicate “lesser” races – their words not mine.

By: Rockfish #1 and #2

Rockfish #1 and #2 — Thu, 16 Jul 2015 15:33:33 +0000

Many Bermudians (of all hues) are too lazy to do their own research. Instead,we listen to, and rely on radio talk shows which for the most part air opinions based on emotion, bias and ignorance. Unfortunately, a few take advantage of these people and encourage them on. This results in creating more gullible, biased, and ignorant people. Hell, in this day and age, accurate information is easy to come by!
I am no fan of Fahy, however, but after doing my homework, it is clear that he is telling the truth.
Before anyone starts slinging mud, try turning the television off and do your own research!

By: Jim Jones

Jim Jones — Thu, 16 Jul 2015 15:29:54 +0000

who said anything about second class citizens?

By: dual

dual — Thu, 16 Jul 2015 15:19:48 +0000

You can hold dual nationality and therefore two passports eg US Citizen and Bermudian.

By: alsys

alsys — Thu, 16 Jul 2015 14:55:18 +0000

No, but the person who married in or was adopted in or simply has given so much of their time, energy and love to that “family” and has literally been offered a official place as a family member should…

No one is asking for the tourist or the temporary guest worker to be considered as Bermudians so your argument is inelegantly crafted. And wrong.

By: Jim Jones

Jim Jones — Thu, 16 Jul 2015 14:50:52 +0000

you’re now comparing ‘paper’ Bermudians’ legal status as equal to ‘born’ Bermudians to…..slavery?

As if recognizing that Fahy is as Bermudian as born Bermudians is something we will look back on in a hundred years and think about how effed up that was?

“remember back when people would get status and that meant they had EQUAL RIGHTS? I’m glad those days are over!”

you have officially lost the plot.

By: SMH

SMH — Thu, 16 Jul 2015 14:30:38 +0000

Apparently even five times isn’t enough. I love the “Ombudsman had to get involved” yeah right, and she HAD to cc the person in question too. Everything about that was political

By: Jim Jones

Jim Jones — Thu, 16 Jul 2015 14:23:23 +0000

Then pick one of my posts on this thread and refute it. Using FACTS.

By: Mr Stevens

Mr Stevens — Thu, 16 Jul 2015 13:59:42 +0000

Leave Bermuda for the skinks and cahows.

By: Oh,I see now

Oh,I see now — Thu, 16 Jul 2015 13:50:04 +0000

You want to differentiate between BORN Bermudians and status Bermudians just go to the airport and watch who leaves as our financial community enters into a meltdown.

By: Go Whistle

Go Whistle — Thu, 16 Jul 2015 13:14:57 +0000

and why does he have no connection to Bermuda??? You disgust me with your little mind. You are the reason why Bermuda cannot progress.

By: Onion Soup

Onion Soup — Thu, 16 Jul 2015 13:10:49 +0000

Was Ewart Brown not required to denounce his US citizenship before he was sworn into office as Premier? I seem to recall that he did, but perhaps someone out there can clarify whether he did or not.

By: Lois Frederick

Lois Frederick — Thu, 16 Jul 2015 13:07:55 +0000

I suggest you apply for your UK passport, all Bermudians have the right to reside in the UK. Nice to have that option as a Bermudian.

By: Ian

Ian — Thu, 16 Jul 2015 13:05:28 +0000

Well said Minister Fahy. Unfortunately, politics in Bermuda has always had a racial tint and like the Sharpton’s and Jackson’s of the US., we do have those that are way to liberal in utilising the “Race Card”. Recognizing that one has a problem is the first step in addressing and maybe fixing it. Minister Fahy’s column addressing the issue is a step in the right direction. Everyone, regardless of race needs to agree that a successful Bermuda is good for everybody and focus on just that – maybe then the notion of fixing the problem will become the focus.

By: jt

jt — Thu, 16 Jul 2015 13:00:43 +0000

How many times does a person have to fail the required exams to prove they aren’t qualified?

By: Ed

Ed — Thu, 16 Jul 2015 12:56:04 +0000

Fahy is a lawyer. He stated the law in the article above – he simply quoted the law. And you want to blame him for it.

The iggrunce on this island is astounding at times. You people have a complex.

By: blow in

blow in — Thu, 16 Jul 2015 12:54:48 +0000

HUMAN or OTHERWISE, i blame cup match,brings out the worst in people

By: AF87

AF87 — Thu, 16 Jul 2015 12:54:44 +0000

what visitors does he refer to? Do you think someone who has Bermudian status, gained whatever way, is a visitor?

By: AF87

AF87 — Thu, 16 Jul 2015 12:51:55 +0000

where exactly does he say this?

By: serengeti

serengeti — Thu, 16 Jul 2015 12:51:12 +0000

If her grandparents came from the West Indies, then her parents had no birthright. So how could they pass it along to her?
In your little mind, does birthright appear magically after two generations, designed just for PLP MP’s?

By: AF87

AF87 — Thu, 16 Jul 2015 12:49:07 +0000

What exactly is he trying to take away here? He is changing no law.

By: serengeti

serengeti — Thu, 16 Jul 2015 12:48:57 +0000

And whose parents came from the islands, and Africa.

By: Regina

Regina — Thu, 16 Jul 2015 12:32:42 +0000

How can anyone disagree with this comment? It is FACT.

By: Regina

Regina — Thu, 16 Jul 2015 12:27:58 +0000

No, you just aren’t clever…at all.

By: watchmen

watchmen — Thu, 16 Jul 2015 12:04:43 +0000

Did you miss the part where they closed the mailbox early in violation of the advertisement dates? If a “qualified” Bermudian had submitted their CV on that they would have missed it because the agency screwed up. That cannot be defended. Makes you think of how may times this could have happened potentially. And it is wrong that Fahy gets to decide who is qualified for a Job. That “Bermudian Professional” should hear of her lack of “qualification” from the Employer not Fahy? He is not the end all and be all.

By: serengeti

serengeti — Thu, 16 Jul 2015 11:58:53 +0000

Predictably.