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		<title>By: Onion</title>
		<link>https://bernews.com/2016/01/column-govt-functioning-on-borrowed-dollars/#comment-3175947</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Onion]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 27 Jan 2016 13:14:34 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Thank you for your response.  I believe your table dramatically understates the amount of spending for at least 2011 and 2012 (those are the numbers I checked).  Perhaps reconciling back to net debt would provide a good check.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thank you for your response.  I believe your table dramatically understates the amount of spending for at least 2011 and 2012 (those are the numbers I checked).  Perhaps reconciling back to net debt would provide a good check.</p>
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		<title>By: rodney smith</title>
		<link>https://bernews.com/2016/01/column-govt-functioning-on-borrowed-dollars/#comment-3175790</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[rodney smith]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 27 Jan 2016 07:34:42 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Yes we can. You must like what I say.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Yes we can. You must like what I say.</p>
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		<title>By: Larry Burchall</title>
		<link>https://bernews.com/2016/01/column-govt-functioning-on-borrowed-dollars/#comment-3175386</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Larry Burchall]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 26 Jan 2016 19:37:37 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Onion,

Thanks for the pointer.

One of the things that I&#039;ve uncovered is that a lot of &#039;adjusting&#039; takes place after the audited statements are put out.  

A second thing is that the &#039;blue book&#039; of revenue etc... that is debated during the six week Budget Debate always has a ten year table [in the last pages] showing GovRev and GovSpen over a ten year period. From time to time, this Budget book table also has its figures adjusted.

I look for consistency and reliability so that I compare apple with apples and keep the oranges far away. Not a simple task when dealing with Government&#039;s own reports on its own financial dealings.

If you look up FY 2009/10 in the last pages of the Budget book, you will find exactly the kind of thing that seems so normal in Government. 

You will find that for 2009/10 the Interest paid on Debt is reported as an incredibly low $1,695,000 and the Sinking Fund contribution is reported as $0. But look at the figures on either side, for 2008/09 and 2010/11.

The Budget book contains the stuff that Parliament and the people/taxpayers are told.

I avoid the sometimes puzzling minutiae of late accounting &#039;adjustments&#039; and keep to clear revenue and spending [not expenses]as reported.

I do note that there is never any discrepancy over REVENUE. Only over spending. 

That there isn&#039;t  a clear and consistent agreement over expenses and expenditure is just part of Government&#039;s financial jigsaw puzzle - perhaps it&#039;s intended to bamboozle the public. 

lb]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Onion,</p>
<p>Thanks for the pointer.</p>
<p>One of the things that I&#8217;ve uncovered is that a lot of &#8216;adjusting&#8217; takes place after the audited statements are put out.  </p>
<p>A second thing is that the &#8216;blue book&#8217; of revenue etc&#8230; that is debated during the six week Budget Debate always has a ten year table [in the last pages] showing GovRev and GovSpen over a ten year period. From time to time, this Budget book table also has its figures adjusted.</p>
<p>I look for consistency and reliability so that I compare apple with apples and keep the oranges far away. Not a simple task when dealing with Government&#8217;s own reports on its own financial dealings.</p>
<p>If you look up FY 2009/10 in the last pages of the Budget book, you will find exactly the kind of thing that seems so normal in Government. </p>
<p>You will find that for 2009/10 the Interest paid on Debt is reported as an incredibly low $1,695,000 and the Sinking Fund contribution is reported as $0. But look at the figures on either side, for 2008/09 and 2010/11.</p>
<p>The Budget book contains the stuff that Parliament and the people/taxpayers are told.</p>
<p>I avoid the sometimes puzzling minutiae of late accounting &#8216;adjustments&#8217; and keep to clear revenue and spending [not expenses]as reported.</p>
<p>I do note that there is never any discrepancy over REVENUE. Only over spending. </p>
<p>That there isn&#8217;t  a clear and consistent agreement over expenses and expenditure is just part of Government&#8217;s financial jigsaw puzzle &#8211; perhaps it&#8217;s intended to bamboozle the public. </p>
<p>lb</p>
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		<title>By: Onion</title>
		<link>https://bernews.com/2016/01/column-govt-functioning-on-borrowed-dollars/#comment-3175066</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Onion]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 26 Jan 2016 12:04:32 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[The OBA didn&#039;t dramatically increase spending the moment they were elected.  They just passed a realistic budget, when the previous one had explicitly lied to make the deficit seem smaller (see: interest budget amount).

That&#039;s why there appears to be a big jump in budgeted spending between 2012/13 and 2013/14.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The OBA didn&#8217;t dramatically increase spending the moment they were elected.  They just passed a realistic budget, when the previous one had explicitly lied to make the deficit seem smaller (see: interest budget amount).</p>
<p>That&#8217;s why there appears to be a big jump in budgeted spending between 2012/13 and 2013/14.</p>
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		<title>By: Onion</title>
		<link>https://bernews.com/2016/01/column-govt-functioning-on-borrowed-dollars/#comment-3175060</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Onion]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 26 Jan 2016 11:53:01 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Audited financial statement 2012/13 at this link:  http://bermuda.io/dataset/consolidated-fund-audited-financials/resource/a276a41e-3aa6-4f7a-9609-7e43c7a54037

Total Expenses: 1,274,568,483
Total Revenue: 866,577,558
Annual Deficit: 407,990,925]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Audited financial statement 2012/13 at this link:  <a href="http://bermuda.io/dataset/consolidated-fund-audited-financials/resource/a276a41e-3aa6-4f7a-9609-7e43c7a54037" rel="nofollow">http://bermuda.io/dataset/consolidated-fund-audited-financials/resource/a276a41e-3aa6-4f7a-9609-7e43c7a54037</a></p>
<p>Total Expenses: 1,274,568,483<br />
Total Revenue: 866,577,558<br />
Annual Deficit: 407,990,925</p>
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		<title>By: Larry Burchall</title>
		<link>https://bernews.com/2016/01/column-govt-functioning-on-borrowed-dollars/#comment-3174234</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Larry Burchall]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 25 Jan 2016 16:13:15 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Onion,

Note 4 in the chart states that the Revenue and Spend figures are from the audited statements of the Consolidated Fund.

I check and cross check all my figures. The 2012/13 &#039;audit&#039; figures and as repeated in other Ministry of Finance reports are that in FY 2012/13:  Revenue was $866,578,000. Spending was $1,092,476,000.

Those 2012/13 numbers are those reported and agreed by the Auditor General.

Where, in what report or reports, is your 2012/13 figure of a Spend of $1,274,000,000 being reported? Your figure would give a 2012/13 deficit in excess of $400 million. 

I&#039;m curious, very curious.

Larry  Burchall]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Onion,</p>
<p>Note 4 in the chart states that the Revenue and Spend figures are from the audited statements of the Consolidated Fund.</p>
<p>I check and cross check all my figures. The 2012/13 &#8216;audit&#8217; figures and as repeated in other Ministry of Finance reports are that in FY 2012/13:  Revenue was $866,578,000. Spending was $1,092,476,000.</p>
<p>Those 2012/13 numbers are those reported and agreed by the Auditor General.</p>
<p>Where, in what report or reports, is your 2012/13 figure of a Spend of $1,274,000,000 being reported? Your figure would give a 2012/13 deficit in excess of $400 million. </p>
<p>I&#8217;m curious, very curious.</p>
<p>Larry  Burchall</p>
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		<title>By: Onion</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Onion]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 25 Jan 2016 13:25:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[The numbers are wrong.  He&#039;s using the budgeted spending for some years - ie. 2012-2013.  Budget was $1092.5 million, actual spending was 1274.5.

Worst year was 2012-2013.  The OBA then used a realistic budget figure in 2013-14 and the deficit dropped by 25% their first year.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The numbers are wrong.  He&#8217;s using the budgeted spending for some years &#8211; ie. 2012-2013.  Budget was $1092.5 million, actual spending was 1274.5.</p>
<p>Worst year was 2012-2013.  The OBA then used a realistic budget figure in 2013-14 and the deficit dropped by 25% their first year.</p>
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		<title>By: frank</title>
		<link>https://bernews.com/2016/01/column-govt-functioning-on-borrowed-dollars/#comment-3174064</link>
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		<pubDate>Mon, 25 Jan 2016 12:02:33 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[stop spending stupid money on the tourism authority they need to move out of the mall]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>stop spending stupid money on the tourism authority they need to move out of the mall</p>
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		<title>By: frank</title>
		<link>https://bernews.com/2016/01/column-govt-functioning-on-borrowed-dollars/#comment-3174059</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[frank]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 25 Jan 2016 12:00:13 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[as a way to save money government needs to start using some of the prisoners for some of the the jobs done by w&amp;e like grass cutting and picking up trash also painting.
and why does the parks dept need all those truck and pick up
also why are government foremans drivind toyota suvs all they nee is a small van.
get rid of some gp toys]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>as a way to save money government needs to start using some of the prisoners for some of the the jobs done by w&amp;e like grass cutting and picking up trash also painting.<br />
and why does the parks dept need all those truck and pick up<br />
also why are government foremans drivind toyota suvs all they nee is a small van.<br />
get rid of some gp toys</p>
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		<title>By: blankman</title>
		<link>https://bernews.com/2016/01/column-govt-functioning-on-borrowed-dollars/#comment-3174055</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[blankman]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 25 Jan 2016 11:57:05 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[&quot;Neither did Government arrive here because of any Great Global Recession [GGR]. This descent into today’s financial hell started five years before the GGR began.&quot;

That bears repeating.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;Neither did Government arrive here because of any Great Global Recession [GGR]. This descent into today’s financial hell started five years before the GGR began.&#8221;</p>
<p>That bears repeating.</p>
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		<title>By: Edward C</title>
		<link>https://bernews.com/2016/01/column-govt-functioning-on-borrowed-dollars/#comment-3173776</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Edward C]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 25 Jan 2016 00:42:05 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[But can we do it with no money darn?]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>But can we do it with no money darn?</p>
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		<title>By: Juice Onion</title>
		<link>https://bernews.com/2016/01/column-govt-functioning-on-borrowed-dollars/#comment-3173774</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Juice Onion]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 25 Jan 2016 00:40:19 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[PLP would be so much better blah blah blah Hanbury million dollars a minute blah blah slavery blah blah]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>PLP would be so much better blah blah blah Hanbury million dollars a minute blah blah slavery blah blah</p>
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		<title>By: Build a Better Bermuda</title>
		<link>https://bernews.com/2016/01/column-govt-functioning-on-borrowed-dollars/#comment-3173761</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Build a Better Bermuda]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 25 Jan 2016 00:29:12 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[While appreciate the reminder, this isn&#039;t really new news, it has been said for a number of years, particularly by our current Finance Minister. So while you may want to sound the alarm, remember, you aren&#039;t the first. The minister knows we are borrowing to run, but it is important to remember that we are not borrowing as much as we did last year, or the year before that, or the year before that. In fact the borrowed cash now is about half, or less than what it was running at when Minister Richards took over. What we need to make sure is that he is able to cut it further this year, and hopefully eliminate this running borrowing within the next 2 budgets. Where we need to ring the alarm bells is that the current PLP are promising to return the borrowing to the unsustainable levels of 3 years ago, with no real ideas on how to pay for that increase... much less the bills they racked up last time, especially since there is an election in a few weeks.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>While appreciate the reminder, this isn&#8217;t really new news, it has been said for a number of years, particularly by our current Finance Minister. So while you may want to sound the alarm, remember, you aren&#8217;t the first. The minister knows we are borrowing to run, but it is important to remember that we are not borrowing as much as we did last year, or the year before that, or the year before that. In fact the borrowed cash now is about half, or less than what it was running at when Minister Richards took over. What we need to make sure is that he is able to cut it further this year, and hopefully eliminate this running borrowing within the next 2 budgets. Where we need to ring the alarm bells is that the current PLP are promising to return the borrowing to the unsustainable levels of 3 years ago, with no real ideas on how to pay for that increase&#8230; much less the bills they racked up last time, especially since there is an election in a few weeks.</p>
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		<title>By: Navin Johnson</title>
		<link>https://bernews.com/2016/01/column-govt-functioning-on-borrowed-dollars/#comment-3173759</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Navin Johnson]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 25 Jan 2016 00:28:20 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[We do not have the will as no one makes the hard decisions.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>We do not have the will as no one makes the hard decisions.</p>
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		<title>By: Zevon</title>
		<link>https://bernews.com/2016/01/column-govt-functioning-on-borrowed-dollars/#comment-3173597</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Zevon]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 24 Jan 2016 18:16:40 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[And yet still the PLP complain about every attempt to reduce spending, and they keep suggesting new things to spend money on.   &quot;This will only cost $10m&quot; they say.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>And yet still the PLP complain about every attempt to reduce spending, and they keep suggesting new things to spend money on.   &#8220;This will only cost $10m&#8221; they say.</p>
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		<title>By: rodney smith</title>
		<link>https://bernews.com/2016/01/column-govt-functioning-on-borrowed-dollars/#comment-3173490</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[rodney smith]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 24 Jan 2016 14:58:54 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Our condition is bad, not hopeless. We can get out of this mess, if we pull together. 10 % of our budget is waste . $91 million dollars goes out the window every year. Can we save that money? Where does the money go: waste, theft, duplication of services, and low job productivity. The unions are too strong-no fault of there&#039;s, and government is to weak. Our deficit is $220 million while our debt is $2.5 billion . We must wipe out our deficit immediately. Do we have the will to do it ?]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Our condition is bad, not hopeless. We can get out of this mess, if we pull together. 10 % of our budget is waste . $91 million dollars goes out the window every year. Can we save that money? Where does the money go: waste, theft, duplication of services, and low job productivity. The unions are too strong-no fault of there&#8217;s, and government is to weak. Our deficit is $220 million while our debt is $2.5 billion . We must wipe out our deficit immediately. Do we have the will to do it ?</p>
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		<title>By: Kangoocar</title>
		<link>https://bernews.com/2016/01/column-govt-functioning-on-borrowed-dollars/#comment-3173480</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Kangoocar]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 24 Jan 2016 14:50:11 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[This article should be put on a huge poster and hung at every polling station and all voters required to read it and PROVE they comprehended it, before they are allowed to cast their vote!!!!]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>This article should be put on a huge poster and hung at every polling station and all voters required to read it and PROVE they comprehended it, before they are allowed to cast their vote!!!!</p>
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		<title>By: Nabba Jabba Ding Dong Baby Daddy</title>
		<link>https://bernews.com/2016/01/column-govt-functioning-on-borrowed-dollars/#comment-3173453</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Nabba Jabba Ding Dong Baby Daddy]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 24 Jan 2016 13:41:53 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[We need this income.. And this tourism!]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>We need this income.. And this tourism!</p>
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		<title>By: Nabba Jabba Ding Dong Baby Daddy</title>
		<link>https://bernews.com/2016/01/column-govt-functioning-on-borrowed-dollars/#comment-3173449</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Nabba Jabba Ding Dong Baby Daddy]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 24 Jan 2016 13:37:50 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[People who say money doesn&#039;t grow on trees have never sold marijuana.Medical marijuana would increase tourism and remove harmful addictive additives from addicting current users...the marijuana currently sold in Bermuda has heroin,crack cocain powder,and Chrystal meth added tuit to hook the user interface habit...then the dealer claims not to have marijuana and offers the more addictive drug...that is how that is done!
Marijuana in pure form is non addictive.. But only!.  It sure is nice.  ...and good for you too!
This medical marijuana effectively is a personal choice and made illegal by nylon rope interests originally.. We chose the damndest reason to make it illegal....it is in fact a detterant to violence!]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>People who say money doesn&#8217;t grow on trees have never sold marijuana.Medical marijuana would increase tourism and remove harmful addictive additives from addicting current users&#8230;the marijuana currently sold in Bermuda has heroin,crack cocain powder,and Chrystal meth added tuit to hook the user interface habit&#8230;then the dealer claims not to have marijuana and offers the more addictive drug&#8230;that is how that is done!<br />
Marijuana in pure form is non addictive.. But only!.  It sure is nice.  &#8230;and good for you too!<br />
This medical marijuana effectively is a personal choice and made illegal by nylon rope interests originally.. We chose the damndest reason to make it illegal&#8230;.it is in fact a detterant to violence!</p>
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		<title>By: Keepin' it Real!...4Real!</title>
		<link>https://bernews.com/2016/01/column-govt-functioning-on-borrowed-dollars/#comment-3173431</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Keepin' it Real!...4Real!]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 24 Jan 2016 12:57:29 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[And the bells toll...]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>And the bells toll&#8230;</p>
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