Will you EVER post an actual argument, one based in reality, for denying same sex couples the ability to get legally married?

Or will it be more of the same?

I was kidding around!

It is time that people who have been victimized their entire lives, and the friends of those people, stand up for their rights. It’s time to sit at the front of the bus; to remind ourselves that the right to fight for freedom is a universal right. It not a right that is limited to those of any one gender, or skin-colour, or religious background.

When you begin to qualify who you think should be treated as an equal under the laws of your nation you become a bigot. It is that simple. When you allow others to dictate the terms of your freedom, you allow yourself to be a victim.

But the days of victimhood for the LGBT community in Bermuda are over. We don’t need to appease those who threaten us. We will not cower any more. Instead, we will stand together with our lovers and our friends and say with pride and with love and with grace and with honour that we refuse to have our rights denied to us by bigots.

I, for one, have had enough. I will be there tomorrow, not to be judged or ‘prayed for’, but to take my place alongside my friends and the rest of the LGBT community to say that we matter and that are ready to roar. If you don’t like that. Quite frankly, that’s just too bad.

And your reference to European Convention on Human Rights is not the full story. Article 8 protects the right to private and family life, which the European Court in Oliari v Italy said imposed an obligation to have available a specific legal framework providing for the recognition and protection of same-sex unions.

End the end of the day, it’s 100% true. 100% FACT!

It makes no sense.

Hey , let’s fight for this as well !

True equality !

This?

This is EXACTLY how privilege blinds people.

You claim you want respect, but can’t even see the disrespect that your position shows to our LGBT friends and family by denying them rights for absolutely no reason!

THAT is the problem people have with the Preserve Marriage group.
They want to deny rights to our fellow citizens.

That is why it is right and just and fair that people show up to show them that there are people that DON’T believe that religion should be forced into other people’s lives and, more importantly, to show our brothers and sisters and aunts and uncles and nieces and nephews and friends that there ARE people willing to stand up for them in the face of discrimination and injustice.

You want respect? Show some.

Again, you need to stop being dishonest. I’m not using the everybody is doing it argument.

I simply pointed out a ruling in Europe that was not religious and talked about how most of the world feels on this issue. So I don’t know what you’re talking about.

Out of all of the countries in the WORLD that has legalized same-sex, only one country has legalized same-sex by popular vote. All of the other countries have had it imposed on them by a few elected officials with their own agendas and a few judges in the case of the US.

This is not an everybody is doing it argument, but proof the WORLD rejects the idea of Same-Sex. The World rejects the notion that not allowing SSM is discriminating because the World recognizes that it is not a human right.

All countries, that have legalized SSM, with the exception of one, has done so going against the majority of the people.

And… Wait WHAT?

What social benefits of reducing governmental and social burdens are you talking about?

You REALLY have to back that one up!

It seems like you’ve made up this whole new reality in your head that you’re now talking about that has NOTHING to do with the one we live in.

Where is this narrative coming from? Are you THAT desperate?

And being in a minority that is, in fact, being denied access to rights and privileges DOES make them marginalized. Come on. Don’t be silly.

What, in your opinion, is a good reason we should keep the “opposite sex” clause?
Why SHOULDN’T we get rid of it?
Before you go pretending I haven’t given a reason for getting rid of it…
We should get rid of it because Bermudian citizens want to enjoy the rights and privileges offered by marriage with the person of their choice and, currently, are not allowed to do so. This is unfair and needs to be changed.

Now… will you give a reason we should keep it?

As for the rest of it…
Again with the ad populum “But everybody’s doing it” argument, which is ridiculous.

And again with the misrepresentation of what I am saying.

Never said it was a human right. You really have to stop doing that. It’s REALLY dishonest.

You have been told over and over that people can display their opinions and do so openly.

No one is trying to stop that.

PLEASE stop lying.

I’m begging you. This is getting completely insane.

Please please please explain this to me… Curious minds need to know

Marriage does already exists for everyone. Any one person can marry another one person of the opposite sex/gender. Many courts around the world agree with this.

The European courts put it like this.

In Article 12 of the Convention (dealing with marriage,) it says, “(marriage)…secures the fundamental right of a man and a woman to marry and to found a family (if wanted). Article 12 expressly provides for regulation of marriage by governments, is given as a right to people to marry someone of the opposite sex/gender by national law. That is the position and stated in the constitution and or legal documents in many democratic countries around the world.

Again, this is not only Bermuda but most of the world reject the idea of society being forced to accept the union of same-sex couples. Out of all of the countries in the WORLD that has legalized same-sex, only one country has legalized same-sex by popular vote. All of the other countries have had it imposed on them by a few elected officials with their own agendas and a few judges in the case of the US. Which those judges overstepped their boundaries. This is why just last week two states have removed ‘rights’ to same-sex couples are starting the process to overturn the judges decision.

Same-Sex Marriage is NOT a human right.

SSC relationships are different than marriage. SSC relationships don’t have sexual complimentarity, responsible procreation- giving kids a mom and a dad, and they don’t yield the same social benefits of reducing government and social burdens…..

These comments are saying that people can’t publicly display their opinions & beliefs outside of a church, yet you demand to the right to display your beliefs and feelings publicly…… Where is the equity in that?

It’s about whether redefining the institution of marriage is in Bermuda’s best interests….. Today, tomorrow, ten years or more down the road.

Being a minority doesn’t make someone marginalized. Rich people are in a minority, no one would say they are disenfranchised or marginalized.

Doesn’t matter whether you said the word or not, words have meaning and actions will always speak louder than words. PM is protesting equal rights to all and LW is protesting you protesting against equal right for all, silly Lilly.

I get it. You’re an internet tough guy, taking potshots while hiding under a rock.

Very brave.

Are you seriously THAT much in denial?

I point out that you are a liar because you LIE! You do! You do it all the time!
I and others have shown, time and again where you have!
This is not an accusation, it’s a statement of fact. There is no denying that you have lied, repeatedly.

For example, I have NEVER berated you for having a belief and opinion.
Not once. Ever.
What I HAVE done, is asked, and begged, for an honest, real discussion, based on facts and actual reality and things that have actually happened. You have repeatedly refused to engage and have kept on spreading lies and misinformation.

And even if I had done the things you accuse me of, it STILL wouldn’t be hate speech. That is yet another falsehood.

I know it’s hard to rationalize your position.
You know that people’s religions shouldn’t be pushed onto others, but you’re SO SURE that yours is right, so it’s ok to do the things you do, ‘cuz you’re right. Your religion is the right one.
It’s not ok for other people to do it, but you KNOW your faith is the right one and if only everyone believed what you do, your life would be so much better.

Well, guess what.

It’s not ok. All the good intentions don’t make it right to lie and mislead and spread falsehoods.

The point is that Preserve Marriage didn’t use the word protest, the word
“Protest” was used by “Love Wins”.

Talking about what kind of human being I am, calling me a liar, berating me for having a belief & opinion is the epitome of hate speech.

Your actions, whatever your excuse, recuse you from speaking on tolerance.

You seem to be the one who is always confused. So many things seem “insane” to you. Perhaps you should just take a break, seek professional help, and practice your Tiny Tim routines.

Marriage does already exists for everyone. Any one person can marry another one person of the opposite sex/gender. Many courts around the world agree with this.

The European courts put it like this.

In Article 12 of the Convention (dealing with marriage,) it says, “(marriage)…secures the fundamental right of a man and a woman to marry and to found a family (if wanted). Article 12 expressly provides for regulation of marriage by governments, is given as a right to people to marry someone of the opposite sex/gender by national law. That is the position and stated in the constitution and or legal documents in many democratic countries around the world.

Again, this is not only Bermuda but most of the world reject the idea of society being forced to accept the union of same-sex couples. Out of all of the countries in the WORLD that has legalized same-sex, only one country has legalized same-sex by popular vote. All of the other countries have had it imposed on them by a few elected officials with their own agendas and a few judges in the case of the US. Which those judges overstepped their boundaries. This is why just last week two states have removed ‘rights’ to same-sex couples are starting the process to overturn the judges decision.

I can make this claim with 100% certainty. The Bermudian people, those who can vote, overwhelming reject the legalization of same-sex marriage for whatever their valid reason on this island.

Same-Sex Marriage is NOT a human right.

Their traditional, religion-based values shouldn’t affect ANYONE else’s marriage.

Giving same sex couples the ability to marry will not stop other people’s marriages from being between one man and one woman.

THAT is the core difference between the two sides.

One side wants to only affect the people that are currently being discriminated against.
The other wants to impose their traditional, religion-based values on everyone else.

There are also non-religious people of no faith that want to keep marriage between a man and a woman.

PEOPLE OPPOSE GIVING THEM EQUAL RIGHTS!

How’s that?