Comments on: Video: MP Furbert On Human Rights Amendment

By: LOL (Original TM*)

LOL (Original TM*) — Thu, 18 Feb 2016 02:58:47 +0000

Sorry so when will Christians be put behind bars for sticking to their beliefs……

LOL in the name of tolerance Amen

By: Square One

Square One — Wed, 17 Feb 2016 16:35:37 +0000

Civic Union, partnership, bond or whatever it is called-yes. Marriage is between a Man and a Woman, end of story.

By: aceboy

aceboy — Wed, 17 Feb 2016 14:58:24 +0000

Furbert and co simply added “except for” to our Human Rights Legislation.

If it weren’t so utterly pathetic it would be laughable.

By: Just The Tips

Just The Tips — Wed, 17 Feb 2016 13:21:35 +0000

To be fair the OBA is planning to something thing similar, they are planing to stregthen Section 15 of the Matrimonial Causes Act and make it supersede the Human Rights act

By: stand for something

stand for something — Wed, 17 Feb 2016 12:04:53 +0000

Why are some people so afraid of doing the right thing, just to keep a certain group of people happy. Just to not mess up chances of getting certain votes. How can one not see the benefits of the human rights act being just that, rights to protect us. How can anyone even think that entering a discriminatory clause is the way to go in the 21 century. After all that mankind has endured and overcome! What are our leaders made of these days? Mr. Furbert, I honestly say,you will never get my vote…surprised to the point were I can’t even speak.

By: aceboy

aceboy — Wed, 17 Feb 2016 11:33:12 +0000

Many of the arguments against making gay marriage legal is that marriage is not a human right, it is a legal union bewteen man and woman in front of God. Now they want to make the Human Rights Legislation exclude gay marriage.

Wow. What is that, “hedging your bets?”

Talk about speaking from both sides of their mouths.

By: Jamal B

Jamal B — Wed, 17 Feb 2016 01:58:36 +0000

So you can be married before you have to be human.
New tourist industry, pet marriage market, as long as they are male and female?

Wayne, I know you are a reasonable person, but this is a debate about religious beliefs, which the constitution was not based on, at all. We are not Americans or South Africans (the two countries that consider themselves Christian countries and used that as a basis for slavery, but I digress), God and religion have no place in law or law making. You are grasping at straws to make you minister/pastor hypocrit happy. Stop drinking, smoking, shopping on sabbath, extra-marital affairs (not accusing anyone in particular), children born out of wedlock (62% + of all children in Bermuda) and get your head out of the puritanical cloud look at the ground and the people around you. They are not gay and inferior just as being black is not an inferior state, just how you are born. We can spend the day drawing parallels, but a 3500 year old book with many interpretations, that allowed the Crusades, slavery of blacks and many European nations (like the Irish), Apartheid, the Holocaust and now this…

By: jahstice

jahstice — Wed, 17 Feb 2016 00:53:34 +0000

Another irrelevant statement by flip flop.

By: Cpt

Cpt — Wed, 17 Feb 2016 00:29:59 +0000

You are entitled to your religious beliefs. However, let’s be clear. Parliament gives churches the ability to carry out marriage ceremonies that are legally valid, NOT the other way round. Marriage is a legal contract in the eyes of the state. Nothing more. Nothing less. In fact, one ends that contract in secular court, NOT the church. So, the question for those that oppose same sex marriage is…. Are you actually saying that some individuals should have limitations as to whether they can enter into secular contract law? Keep religion OUT of Parliament! Not everyone is Christian and a government represents everyone, not just some.

By: Cranberry

Cranberry — Wed, 17 Feb 2016 00:15:57 +0000

Coward?

By: Cranberry

Cranberry — Wed, 17 Feb 2016 00:15:09 +0000

So he can change feet??

By: Cranberry

Cranberry — Wed, 17 Feb 2016 00:14:21 +0000

Yup…

By: Cranberry

Cranberry — Wed, 17 Feb 2016 00:12:42 +0000

If this stand is like any of his others he’ll change his mind anytime he gets a better offer…

By: Build a Better Bermuda

Build a Better Bermuda — Tue, 16 Feb 2016 23:54:55 +0000

The irony is that these right wing conservative views are trying to be enacted by a party that predominately calls itself “Progressive”

By: Build a Better Bermuda

Build a Better Bermuda — Tue, 16 Feb 2016 23:44:41 +0000

The stance is, Mr. Furbert endorses discrimination and wishes to enact discrimination into the law that was meant to prevent it.

By: Egalatarian

Egalatarian — Tue, 16 Feb 2016 23:31:47 +0000

It is a sad day when MPs think that the clause ‘Except for….’ has a place in the Human Rights Bill. A very sad day

By: Caitlyn

Caitlyn — Tue, 16 Feb 2016 22:58:42 +0000

Wayne
Make up your mind and stop grandstanding

By: Keeping Pace

Keeping Pace — Tue, 16 Feb 2016 22:57:22 +0000

George. I have to agree with you in that this will not hold up against scrutiny when challenged in the courts because of the very laws and treaties the government is quoting. Historical precedent shows that if this legislation passes SSM will be no more than 6-8 years away. There are only 1 of 2 choices. Pass SSM or reject it. No others. This double dutching is for those people who rely on public opinion rather than thinking with their own minds.

Bottom line. This issue is too important to the future of this country for it to be made a simple conscience vote in parliament. Every Bermudian will be impacted in some way so instead of putting a mismatch of patches to this law that any half witted lawyer will be able to strike down, STOP. And put this issue to a referendum so that persons on both side of the argument can move forward with dignity and respect for each other. Right now you are simply causing a divide in this community which will have sincere negative repercussions in the very near future. Most all of you have been elected or appointed. An election must be called by the end of this year. 2017 is going to be interesting and not just because of the Americas Cup.

By: jt

jt — Tue, 16 Feb 2016 22:34:10 +0000

Doesn’t that rattling noise get to you?

By: Lalalala

Lalalala — Tue, 16 Feb 2016 21:47:09 +0000

Exactly….. Why not take his act and amend it to include anyone who’s 1st name is Wayne? Human rights are just that a right…what a … Won’t use the c word!!

By: Pete

Pete — Tue, 16 Feb 2016 21:12:59 +0000

The fact that the opposition believes it can fly in the face of a worldwide demand for human rights equality is just one more demonstration of just how wrong it would be for Bermuda to ever consider putting them back in power. We desperately need a CREDIBLE opposition but it is not the one we have. Furbert as a politician and apparently as an individual does not deserve any more air-time and should be ignored…

By: Common Sense

Common Sense — Tue, 16 Feb 2016 21:12:30 +0000

Ironic isn’t it that way back in 1994 when Wayne was a UBP Member of Parliament he voted against the Stubbs Bill when all the leading members of the PLP (all of who had either led the PLP or went on to lead it) voted strongly in support of the Stubbs Bill which effectively legalized homosexuality between males. I’m referring to the then Leader of the PLP, L. Frederick Wade, former leader Dame Lois Browne-Evans, the Hon. Alex Scott, Dame Jennifer Smith, and the Hon Dr. Ewart Brown.

It would appear that Wayne and the PLP are now doing an about face on their former leaders, and I hear of stirrings to also repeal the effects of the Stubbs Bill by some members of the PLP.

What a tragedy that some folks would lead us backwards despite the inspired leadership of the likes of Dame Lois and Freddie Wade.

By: Mike Hind

Mike Hind — Tue, 16 Feb 2016 21:07:10 +0000

Human Rights “…except when we don’t like it” aren’t actually human rights.

By: steve

steve — Tue, 16 Feb 2016 20:36:30 +0000

Ok..OK.. Mr Furbert we get it- your not Gay.In fact your so “not gay” you aspire to Deny Homosexuals rights that you enjoy. Your hurting people that don’t need any more hurt including at least 3 of my relatives and for what?

By: Silence Do Good

Silence Do Good — Tue, 16 Feb 2016 19:45:25 +0000

Ok maybe I don’t understand but correct me if I am wrong. Maybe they erred in reporting and left something out?

Our notable MP wants to put in a discriminatory clause in the Human Rights Act?

There is something missing in this article? This cannot be right? I am reading and listening to it again and again to see if I am missing something.

If this is the case please MP Furbert resign after opening mouth and inserting foot. Take a stance yes but a discriminatory clause in the Human Rights Act? You really cannot make this stuff up.

Don’t we have some mountain of debt or other social problems like crime that are more deserving of our attention than what people are doing in their bedroom?

By: Enough

Enough — Tue, 16 Feb 2016 18:40:27 +0000

Yet another example of how ‘Progressive’ this party are on matters. I’d go as far as to call Furbert a deplorable human being but I don’t even think he can be classed as human after proposing this.

By: George

George — Tue, 16 Feb 2016 18:13:34 +0000

This suggested amendment to the Bill (and the watered down original itself) will never stand up in court, even if it does pass into law. The only ones to benefit from it as proposed will be Mark Pettingill and other lawyers like him who will fight it on principal all the way to the Privy Council if necessary. The law will eventually be struck down as its in contravention of Human Rights Law which takes precedence over all law. The present Government are delaying the inevitable to avoid losing votes at the next election. Whatever Government is in power at the time will be forced to amend it to recognise that marriage can not be defined by religious beliefs or tradition any longer. Welcome to the 21st Century Bermuda! The questions is do we want to accept that we need to adjust our beliefs/values and slide into modernity like the rest of the World or go kicking and screaming?

By: Hhmmmm

Hhmmmm — Tue, 16 Feb 2016 17:43:01 +0000

appauling….

By: 25/7

25/7 — Tue, 16 Feb 2016 17:00:36 +0000

Insightful…very insightful

By: planeasday

planeasday — Tue, 16 Feb 2016 16:54:15 +0000

pages 69 -77 of the link…if you endeavor to read that “much”…
It is the stuff of legend

By: jt

jt — Tue, 16 Feb 2016 16:51:02 +0000

Well, maybe we get to see how the ducks line up.

By: SANDGROWNAN

SANDGROWNAN — Tue, 16 Feb 2016 16:15:50 +0000

Well, to be fair, Flip Flop is a colossal person. So it’s not really a surprise he’d be this inconsiderate

By: Build a Better Bermuda

Build a Better Bermuda — Tue, 16 Feb 2016 16:13:50 +0000

With this bill, Mr. Furbert effectively seeks to make the Human Rights Act pointless. The whole point of the supremacy of the Human Rights Act is to ensure that no legislature can never be brought into effect that would discriminate or impede the rights and liberties of any law abiding individual or group. To put an opt out clause that can have ‘Except for’ added at a whim is basically saying you think the whole idea of the Human Right Act is just to use it as toilet paper. To do this means that you really don’t give a damn about what true equality means, and that what went on a half century ago stand for nothing.
Fine, you don’t like or agree with same sex. Guess what, no one is saying you have to… But there is no argument left in a truly democratic society, that can be used to justify maintaining a discriminatory law on marriage. Those arguments have either been thoroughly trashed by the sociological evidence from the pressence of same sex families successfully functioning in society already; or they are based entirely religious standing that are an affront to the freedom of religion/from religious persecution, that ensures no one person or group can have their beliefs impeded by or enforced on by another. Same sex families have been around long enough to show that they are no threat to society and family function, the threat lies with the pervasive attitude of intolerance that they are shown and treated to by others. Same sex families will not lead to the moral decay of our country/community; that is already being allowed to happen through the attitude of intolerance to others that has been allowed to grow within us; and the failure to maintain strong family support and values in just the mixed gender relationships that are supposed to create an environment for our children to grow.

By: mike

mike — Tue, 16 Feb 2016 16:04:09 +0000

Bermuda…

By: Happy

Happy — Tue, 16 Feb 2016 14:49:31 +0000

Wayne has lost all my votes unbelievable , so many folks playing GOD these days and I only know of one

By: Takbir Karriem Sharrieff

Takbir Karriem Sharrieff — Tue, 16 Feb 2016 14:34:41 +0000

Not a vote for ,,,Black or White,,,,just a vote for Wrong ,or Right.G-D’s Law to be Upheld.Nature ,and The Creator,determine what is Wrong ,or Right.Male and Female made he them and he dont’make no mister in between or no homo- male Bermuda Queen, .Look around and open eyes, if you pretend that you are wise.Male and female reigns supreme, and everything else is a fairy -tail Dream.Peace.!

By: Strike fund

Strike fund — Tue, 16 Feb 2016 14:34:14 +0000

Furbert is in the PLP now. He was UBP and will probably join the OBA at some point.
It’s interesting that somebody who changes so often has tabled such a discriminatory bill.

By: brain drain

brain drain — Tue, 16 Feb 2016 14:21:36 +0000

A stance that will take us back before 1994 when this MP voted against the Stubbs bill. Amazing that we have had so much change since then but bigotry remains constant.

By: brain drain

brain drain — Tue, 16 Feb 2016 14:14:53 +0000

It’s been said before…. “Bermuda is another world”

By: Unbelievable

Unbelievable — Tue, 16 Feb 2016 14:09:46 +0000

If you’re talking about Pettingil, what’s the conflict?

By: blankman

blankman — Tue, 16 Feb 2016 14:07:23 +0000

In other words, Mr Furbert is in favour of human rights as long as they are rights that he approves of.

By: rhonda

rhonda — Tue, 16 Feb 2016 13:47:14 +0000

MP Pettigill vs Lawyer Pettigill

SMDH

By: hmmm

hmmm — Tue, 16 Feb 2016 13:36:28 +0000

Furbert by promoting legally acceptable discrimination to be put into a human rights acts has just shown what a person he is.

By: MP Furbert is crazy

MP Furbert is crazy — Tue, 16 Feb 2016 13:35:55 +0000

To think that an elected MP of Bermuda would actually amend an Act to include discrimination is appalling. If that is he case then all heterosexuals should be discriminated against when requesting services from a homosexual establishment or a person of same carrying out those services. Remember you cannot always tell who we are but we have you pegged. Mr. Furbert I sure hope your words don’t come back to haunt you or bite you in the A**.

In the great words of the Hunger Games series…..”May the odds be forever in your favor”.

By: No

No — Tue, 16 Feb 2016 13:23:22 +0000

Why does this man even open his mouth?

By: Quinton Berkley Butterfield

Quinton Berkley Butterfield — Tue, 16 Feb 2016 13:13:48 +0000

“So, what we have laid today is an amendment to the Human Rights Act, Clause Two, where it talks about discrimination. We put in there ‘Except For’…”

Wow, I am speechless….

By: Cow Polly

Cow Polly — Tue, 16 Feb 2016 13:03:22 +0000

OMIGOD…… what kind of a country am I living in where a member of Parliament brings a bill to implement a discriminatory clause into the Human Rights Clause?
I only hope the remaining parliamentarians on both sides of the house have enough sense to vote this bill down.

By: SMH

SMH — Tue, 16 Feb 2016 13:02:38 +0000

So the PLP want to put forward an amendment to the Human Rights Act to limit human rights. How ironic that the supposedly “Progressive” party is the least progressive of all. What next, an amendment to the Human Rights Act limiting the vote for women? blacks? Bermuda has become a sad place thanks to desperate politicians like this going everything they can to ensure their place at the trough

By: Onion

Onion — Tue, 16 Feb 2016 12:54:11 +0000

The PLP are becoming more and more Republican and turning into a reality denying social conservative party.

By: M.C. Beauchamp

M.C. Beauchamp — Tue, 16 Feb 2016 12:29:02 +0000

Voting to amend the Human Rights Act to permit discrimination on any issue is like a turkey voting for Christmas. This is political pandering of the worst kind. There is clearly no shame, and there should be. This will make Bermuda the laughingstock of the developed world. This will never pass. It’s a vote grab from the lunatic fringe.