How can we have an honest conversation about this topic when one side refuses to engage in any way? How can we debate this when one side refuses to post a defensible position in this?

We’ve never seen a single argument that stands up to the slightest scrutiny, yet we’re supposed to take them seriously?
We’re supposed to listen to what they have to say when they say nothing?

How is this fair?

How is the sex of the people involved relevant in any way?

And where does it say that marriage is for the betterment of society?
Where does it legally say that bettering society is a stipulation for marriage?

Or is this just another “you have to be able to have kids in order to get married” false argument?

Why do you keep spreading these lies?

And, any chance of you actually offering a defensible argument against making same sex marriage legal?

It shouldn’t affect anyone else’s life in any way.

So, having said that, why should these being “against God”, in your personal choice of religions, have any effect on anyone else’s life?

That’s how it will change their lives, it will give them equal access to a whole bunch of rights that the rest of us enjoy.

Now. I’ve answered your question, which proves your proposition – that it’s the same question, which it obviously isn’t – how will allowing gay folks equal access to rights change your way of life in any way?

Your scenario below has nothing to do with it, as it’s a hypothesis that has nothing to do with marriage equality.
Your spouse leaving you and marrying somebody else, then leaving the country with your kids is messed up, regardless, not just because they realized they’re gay.

Any other actual ways it’ll change your life?

Or can we dismiss this false argument entirely?

And “gay sex education” isn’t a thing. Hopefully, they’re already teaching safety! Aren’t they?

And “gay values” are the same as the values of the rest of us. To live our lives in peace.

The story you are speaking about was very different from what you portrayed and a link explaining this was posted.

However, even if it wasn’t, your point is untrue. Not posting a link debunking ONE of the stories you’ve been told to post in an attempt to make a point – what that point is, I don’t know. That somehow you guys now think that discrimination is bad? That can’t be true, as you still support it. What the story about a guy who decided to go down to the school and then illegally refused to leave because he didn’t think ANY kids should be taught the curriculum… At the school he willingly sends his kids to, has to do with marriage equality, I don’t know.

But you keep on trying to distract from the main topic. It’s obvious why you’re doing it,

You don’t have an actual, real reason not to change the law, so you evade and move goalposts and change the conversation so you don’t have to answer – and then honestly defend that answer – one simple question: why?

Maybe when you gain the courage of convictions and actually do that, you might have a leg to stand on when it comes to integrity. Until you do, your claim to “truth and facts” is just yet another lie you’re trying to spread.

‘On 25 March 1995, the House of Assembly of Bermuda narrowly passed the Independence Referendum Bill 20–18,[2] the Senate passed the Bill unopposed two weeks later.[3] For independence to be approved, the yes vote had to be supported by at least 40% of those eligible to vote and over 50% of those who voted.[4]‘

I am not in support of SAME SEX Civil Unions in lieu of Marriage Equality. I am in favour of Civil Unions being the default marriage type for all people who wish to marry in Bermuda and then those who wish to have a Religious Union can also choose to do so.

Your neighbour getting married doesn’t change anything about your relationship or how it is perceived – it literally has no effect on your life what so ever…

Other than maybe you get invited to the wedding and now you have to buy them a gift and ugh what if they don’t have a registry? But you don’t know them that well so you don’t want to get them something too expensive and is it tacky to just give money? You don’t really even want to go because you’ve gained a bit of weight so that means you have to go out and buy a new outfit and this wedding is already getting too expensive because they’re just your neighbours and like you said you really don’t know them all that well anyway and will they even miss you if you don’t go? But would that be rude because they did invite you…do they like you more than you like them? I mean you did lend them your lawn mower that one time and they did bake you that cake when you moved in…I guess you should go…maybe it will be fun…it is an open bar…ok awesome you’re going.

In fact, “under God” wasn’t even added to their pledge of allegiance until 1954 when a bunch of people got together and petitioned to change it and take it away from it’s origins and roots (must have been a bunch of foreigners!). They didn’t add “In God we trust” until 1957 to their money. So really this whole bible thumping phenomenon is pretty new in the history of their country and these movements away from scripture is really just the United States moving back to their roots.

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As the UK has no single written constitution, there is no explicit constitutional principle of freedom of religious exercise as there is in other countries, such as Germany and the United States.

As for something being “sinful” are you suggesting that the rules in some ancient book should apply to everyone?

But back to the fundamental question that no-one has answered as of yet. Please provide one valid reason to oppose same-sex marriage.

Courts tend to favour mothers for primary custody and they also tend to lean towards joint custody over primary custody for the father – which would mean that you would have to just be a terrible mother and a terrible person who is putting your child at great risk by having them in your custody and control.

So yeah, I would be very pleased with the courts for awarding your husband custody in that case.

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Now, “gay sex education” is really just Sex Education. All of the things that homosexual couples do heterosexual couples do (I hope).

Both men and women need to use protection to prevent the transmission of STIs and HIV/AIDS

Sex Education isn’t just about protecting against pregnancy and disease – it is also about teaching about emotional health, body autonomy, correct vocabulary, and consent.

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And I assume by “gay values” you mean Human Rights which I really hope they are teaching children in schools.

Or are you just upset that schools might teach kids that it’s not okay to bully kids just because they’re gay?

Laws forbidding interracial marriage were designed to keep the races apart, while marriage is about bringing men and women together for the betterment of society.

I gain the right to put my husband on my insurance
I gain the right to to make medical choices for my husband if he is unable
I gain the right to widowers pension
I gain the right to ‘inherit/give’ property with out a will (although a will is still a good idea)
I gain tax breaks for being with my spouse

i gain all the rights that an opposite couple get when married.
What do you lose except an excuse to discriminate against me?

The quran instructs on giving rights to children, women and people in general (i.e limiting the number of wives to 4, inheritance for children, treating people who have reached puberty as adults, etc)

Please don’t confuse cultural practices a religion. And remember the quran came to mankind as a mercy, similar to the scriptures Jesus and Moses (peace be upon them) shared with their communities.

Be more forthcoming about why you want to get married. You want to teach our children that this is OK. You want to teach them this in the schools. We have already seen how it works in other places so you aren’t fooling us.

LOL

LOL truth and facts please..

If you don’t agree with me here is an example;

Imagine I am white and you are black, now imagine I pass a law saying that only White Bermudian’s can marry other White Bermudians and Black Bermudians can only marry Black Bermudians.

If you are interracial Bermudian couple you can’t get married and don’t have the rights that married Bermudians of the same race do. I believe this because the bible commanded the Israelites not to engage in interracial marriage (Deuteronomy 7:3–4 and I use this for the basis of my dislike against interracial marriage and relationships.

That’s what people used to argue ,See how awful,racist, backward and wrong that sounds now ? Could you imagine that going over well in Bermuda ? well if you oppose gay marriage, you are making the same argument just replacing race with sex.

Isn’t that how it should be?

What could possibly be the problem with that?

If they are going to use tax payers money to debate just between same sex marriages and same sex union, it like asking those who oppose, to accept either or, and get over it because we are going to do this, as a government.

my reply, is go ahead let them do what you want, because the fall out and the end result will go down in history against this government.

Perhaps that’s why this is going to referendum.. think about it.