But I’m in the wrong – given that you’re yelling at me and not at others – for pointing out that Preserve Marriage are trying to stop people – to extend your metaphor – from eating meat.

And, AGAIN, this isn’t about agreeing with me. It’s about denying people equal access to rights, which, yes, is hurting them.

If you support this denial of rights, you are hurting them.

If you want me to stop posting the same thing over and over, stop making the same specious arguments that I then have to point out are not what we’re talking about.

And I DO have faith that it will happen.

But in the meantime, I will keep on fighting.
I won’t be “taking a chill pill”

So, to you, “Unconditional Love” means that there are conditions to the love.

Got it.

That makes sense… if you don’t understand what words mean.

And, here we go again, talking about opinions.

This isn’t about opinions. It’s about hurting people by denying them rights for no reason at all.

Unless you’d like to finally offer a reason that we should continue hurting people?

Also “it’s pointless and doesn’t benefit society” is so ignorant, harmful and untrue. It will benefit the members of the lgbtq community, who are people, and members of society. Just because it doesn’t benefit you doesn’t mean it’s pointless.

“Spheniscus mendiculus. I believe you were saying something about a pocket of scientific ignorance?”
-God, probably

This is the thing you keep doing, Mike. Sayso is obviously talking about not being forced to accept an opinion you disagree with because you love the person holding the opinion.

Which makes your response nonsense. True love means accepting the person, but doesn’t mean wholesale endorsement of every idea they have. That’s the entire point of “unconditional”, which is loving in spite of. In this case, in spite of disagreement.

The first thing you said? It isn’t true.

I’ve explained this many, many times.

This isn’t about a disagreement. It’s not about denying Bermudians equal access to rights for no reason.

Marriage equality isn’t forcing anyone’s opinion. Opposing it IS. Opposing it hurts people.

You are more than welcome to keep your religious beliefs, but, it has to be asked, would you be ok with other people forcing their religious beliefs onto you? Would you be ok if you were being hurt because of someone else’s religious beliefs?

Believe in God all you want. No one wants to stop you. But that’s your personal choice and shouldn’t hurt anyone else.

As for hurtful words? Which of my words is more hurtful than calling someone “unnatural”? Or “nasty”?
Which words are more hurtful than denying other human beings equal access to rights that the rest of us share?

“No answer will satisfy me”?
I wouldn’t know… No one has offered one that they’re willing to defend.

And those that didn’t vote did so for various reasons, not just because they didn’t give it “any much credence”.

How is that ok?

And are you saying that the same people that are pro-equality for gay folks are against equality for black folks?

If so, can you please show some evidence of this?

If not, why are people being punished for someone else’s actions?

As for cannabis – would the people who ‘don’t care either way’, vote on that issue if it ever came up for a referendum?

Problem for several marriage equality supporters is that the arguments against their mission come down to either the faith-based angle, the procreation angle (which was debunked) or the ‘men kissing men is gross’ angle. The ‘society will fall apart’ angle hasn’t really been expounded on from supporters of the status quo.

They’re both fighting to be treated like human beings. How do you not get that?

Unless you maybe think the the LGBT community don’t deserve to be treated like human beings?

Has anyone given a REAL reason other than religion? Not some nonsense they made up, based on lies.
A real, factual reason…

It was taken out of the “mental health book” (seriously?) because what you are saying is wrong and false.

You are wrong. You don’t understand anything about this.

This whole post is false and hateful.

You should be ashamed of yourself.

It seems to me no answer will satisfy you from the people who disagree with you. This debate can last forever in this forum as people will have different views. And that is ok. We cannot force our opinion on others. We have the right to disagree. From the religious perspective, some people feel it is morally wrong for people of the same sex to be married. That is a difficult point to argue as it deals with morals. You see, it is easier to discuss science than morals. I am a Christian. Many people think that I am foolish to believe in God. That is their opinion. I can never fully explain God to them. The day I fully explain God, He ceases to be God. At some point, the arguments will simply go back and forth, and back and forth, and back and forth….. I believe we can state what is on our minds, AND DISAGREE without hurtful words.

Relax and again take a chill pill. You are working yourself all up and seems to be more than those who it really affects.

AND you did make your point, we all know that you support SSM and civil union. Some people will not agree with you, so they are wick people out to hurt?

I don’t agree with people who eat meat but I’m not going to blast everyone that eats meat because I feel it wrong to eat God’s creatures. I will simply agree to disagree and hopefully one day a change will come.

AND if your views are that strong, have faith that one day a change will come.

As for your fixation on homosexual sex — sounds like you’ve got some thinking to do about your own preferences.

There is so much more to life then waking up and being economically enslaved with the same routine and same mindset. Take the time to reflect on your life purpose.

God Bless our Bermuda.

I attended a service a couple of years back at one of these churches. The sermon was all about how the congregation should stop trying to invest in the world in which they now live in and should instead invest in their afterlife. In other words….GIVE US YOUR MONEY. Nobody in that Church could afford it but they all reached into their pockets.

Keep ‘em poor and dumb.

But make sure the preacher has a nice suit, nice watch and nice car to drive…..

They are residents in a community and do have the right to express their opinion. They should not be told to shut up and sit in the corner. They may not have a VOTE however their opinions do matter. You might actually learn something from them…they might actually learn something from you. That’s how a society works. Alternatively, you too could build a wall, a great wall…put yourself into self imposed exile from the world and live off of onions and sea water.

And how dumb are you ‘practice a sexual behavior’ if it was only about that none of this is need why? Cause being gay is not against the law and what I do in the privacy of my own home is for me to know and you not to bother with. What is going on here is a fight to have the same rights as heterosexual people because that’s what is being denied to us.

Second reproduction has nothing absolutely nothing to do with marriage and the rights that go with it. There are plenty of couples that can’t or won’t have kids for any number of reasons, it doesn’t stop them from getting married.

Third being gay isn’t a mutation or abberation and if you believe it at the very least understood a small part of it you would see the lie in what you said. If it was a mutation or an abberation it would have been long bred out of the gene pool but as history shows that gays have been around for as long a people have been around. Also looking at other animals we see that they too have homosexual tendencies which would suggest that it far more apart of nature then you want to admit.

Fourth your comment about the anus reveals two things, that you are basing your views on religion and to don’t know human anatomy. By say the anus wasn’t created for sex is a way of saying ‘we were made by god’ with out actually saying and then the male prostate which is also known as the male g spot is accessed via the anus which is why anal sex can be quite pleasurable.

Fifth you state that homosexuality is pointless and doesn’t benifit society is a personal view and lie. It is seems that way to you because you want it to be that way, it’s the same way a racist will say that blacks never contribute to society when in fact they did a lot. If you want a perpose for homosexuality then look at nature where homosexual animals have been known to take over caring for a young one. Penguins so this as there are documented cases of male couples taking an egg and raising it because the one of the parents has did and the other is going to abandon the egg to survive, but the ‘gay’ couple save the egg and the surviving parent lives to find a new mate and breed. All that to say that perhaps if society wasn’t so wrapped up in religion they see that is the ‘purpose’ for homosexuality in humans.

But as Mike would say none of that really matter because none of it is a requirement to get married and we shouldn’t be blocking people’s rights because of people’s personal religion. (Might have paraphrase Mike there, sorry Mike)

The public had the opportunity to vote and the results speak for themselves. Many stayed at home which is really a vote in itself. Preserve Marriage aggressively lobbied for its cause and got the outcome it hoped for. They were well organized, well funded and sent a clear message. They are lobbyist….what would one expect them to do…send a more balanced message?

Do I think the result supports discrimination…I do. Discrimination in one form or another, whether it involves religion, race, handicaps, gender, beliefs, etc. has been rationalized for as long as human beings have been on earth. We generally always look back and ponder…how did our ancestors allow that to happen. We can see how it happens…much of it is through apathy. We might not support discrimination but for many we don’t feel strongly enough about it to get involved and do something about it. We are simply observers. The extremists (I don’t mean this in a derogatory sense) therefore swing the pendulum and many of us just watch and then get up, live with the outcome and go to work the next day. Like it or not as a species….that is who we are. We evolve and opinions change…albeit sometimes not at the pace we would all like…but maybe at the pace we can handle. Regrettably there is damage done along the way and it can take generations for the recipients of discrimination to recover.

I beleive that SSM will at some point become a reality…just not today. Preserve Marriage says that it will continue its campaign regardless of the outcome. They appear committed. I have more respect for someone who voices their opinion, whether I agree with it or not, than someone who couldn’t be bothered. I would suggest that the LGBT campaign do the same. I suspect that if this same referendum was held 50 years ago the results would have been much more exaggerated than they were yesterday. Maybe that can be seen as progress.

I truly feel bad for those impacted by the outcome and would say to them to keep fighting for their rights; there are many who support you and over time that number will undoubtedly grow.

because one is fighting to to practice a sexual behaviour,, and one is fighting to be treated like a human being

‘In geese you may find a very strong homosexual bond between two malegeese who behave like a [mating] pair even though they cannot copulate. They always forget that the other refuses to be mounted and they try again every spring. Each behaves in a perfectly normal male way and if he could speak he would say, ‘I love my wife very much, but she’s definitely frigid.’…

“There can be no moral objection to homosexuality. Many people, however, have an aesthetic, emotional aversion to homosexual behavior. I once saw two boys embrace in a bathroom. The sight was slightly repulsive to me, but in moral terms, why shouldn’t they kiss? In an overpopulated world, it would be a good thing if there were more homo-sexuality.”

–Goose behavior expert Conrad Loren, November 1974.