Not once have they even TRIED to explain why they wan to change the law and redefine marriage, after YEARS of demanding that everyone else does it. After years of denouncing exactly what they are trying to do here.
How many times did we hear the bizarre “You can’t change the law to redefine marriage because it’s the law” or “redefining marriage is wrong”?

Isn’t it weird how it’s NOW ok to try to fight the law?
Isn’t it odd that NOW it’s ok to want to redefine marrage?

For example: when did I claim the moral high ground?
When did I state my worldview?

And check out the last bit, attacking me with no basis in reality.

As for how I’m saying people should be treated?
It lines up with what “HW” claims is HIS worldview…
I believe that people should be treated equally and not discriminated against for no reason.

The problem is, “HW” has an agenda and it’s one that supersedes the “worldview” he claims to follow.

Just look at how he refuses to offer and defend a single reason why we should change the law to remove people’s right to get married.

Not once has he offered one. Not once. And he continues to twist and turn to try to avoid doing so.

Why?

Easy. He knows there IS none.

None that he can defend. None that doesn’t involve absolute and complete hypocrisy.

We HAVE to ask ourselves: How can we support a position that has absolutely nothing backing it up?

Push this “it’s not a human right” thing all you want, but you never seem to address THIS fact.

Why is that?

Or do you actually HAVE a reason why we should change the law to deny people access to these rights?

Would you care to share that reason?

What else could you possibly mean?

Your point, such as it is, is that, because gay people can’t have children together, they shouldn’t be allowed to get married.

Dress it up how you will, but that’s the bottom line.

And it’s wrong. It is incorrect.

Unless I’m wrong and you’d like to explain what you DO mean and you’d like to offer a reason – one that you’d be willing to defend – why we should change the law and stop gay people from being allowed to get married…

Likewise….do you understand that?

BTW on what basis do you claim this moral high ground mike? in your worldview we’re all just random bags of biological material floating around in a purposeless, unguided universe.

what is your foundation for any system of morals? I’m sure you have them, and you’re probably a great guy outside of this context. but literally every statement you’re making regarding how people should be treated is, due to your worldview, completely arbitrary and irrelevant.

and again, marriage is not a human right.

You are wrong.

Thus, your argument is incorrect and can be dismissed?

Hey, HW, how about offering us a reason that we should change the law to bar same sex couples from getting married?

Baselessly discrimination hurts people.
Denying people equal access to rights for absolutely no reason hurts them.

No one is asking you to promote or celebrate anything. Just stop trying to hurt people by treating them as less worthy of being treated as equal human beings! That’s it.

I can’t believe you actually questioned whether refusing to allow couples that love each other to get married actually hurts them!

Do you REALLY not get what you stand for?

Wonder why that is…

Pars 2: No. You keep dismissing people’s comments as incomplete/invalid since they’re missing something you’ve arbitrarily determined should have been fleshed out in that comment. As if they ran afoul of some agreed format.

Para 3: Hilarious! I don’t think even you believe I said that.

Para 4: You’re free to keep up the Internet Arbiter of Truth schtick but I’m not fooled or impressed.

How are people being ‘hurt’? Because their relationships are not being promoted and celebrated in the same way?

Has ‘the church’ been wrong on this issue? Well it’s hard to categorize the church as 1 unit, as if there aren’t a whole host of opinions on this and other topics. The church is made up of people and people are imperfect, that’s why we have a standard outside of ourselves who determines what’s best for all.

Anyway look up who led the challenge against the ban on interracial marriage in the state of California. You might be surprised.

No we don’t…whether you believe it or not

” No one is telling anyone how to live their lives, but the SSM crowd( a minority) shouldn’t impose its wishes on the majority of us.”

Yes, you and many others are. You need to stop and mind your own business.
The majority has no right to impose its wishes on a minority…one of the tenets of a democracy.
The majority didn’t want to abolish slavery…according to you, you’d agree with that.
Strange.

The hate isn’t from the LGBT community, it is coming from the folks using every excuse in the book – for example, arguing that wanting to call a marriage a marriage is really “hate for what marriage represents”, when that is obviously completely ludicrous, as what they’re trying to do is share in what marriage represents – to deny people equal access to rights and privileges afforded by that legal construct called marriage.

What marriage represents is two people who DON’T have familial rights getting them.
That’s it.

Anything else is a personal view of it and should have no bearing on someone else’s life.

Unless I’m wrong and you’d like to point out how and why?

“Daylily” never actually responds to people or answers questions about the things he posts, but when someone tries a personal attack, he’s right there to back them up with some “witty” comment.

If you don’t believe me, just ask him to elaborate on something he posts. There will be an exodus from that conversation so fast it will make your head spin.

As you read these threads, you will see this happen again and again.

This poster does not seem to know what democracy is.

Nothing he has said is backed up with any sort of evidence,

This is nothing but a religious argument, which, as we all know, is invalid, because it isn’t ok to demand that other people follow the rules or tenets of your religion, is it?

This is yet another content less post pretending to say something.

It all has nothing to do with religion as Divine/Natural Law existed before religion. Natural Law governs the movement of the planets, stars, gravity et al as well as our existence on this prison planet. We all have a Creator whether you believe in one or not.

Natural Law or Divine Law is the basis of all law whether you know it or not. Go ask any local Freemason. The Divine Architect set in place rules that govern nature. Man and woman, two ends of the same pole, (polarity).

In nature, homosexuality is an aberration and not common as one may try proclaim. Animals and humankind cannot progress in a homosexual environment. Where will the children come from? Cloning? A test tube?
It is unnatural and goes against natural Law. No one is telling anyone how to live their lives, but the SSM crowd( a minority) shouldn’t impose its wishes on the majority of us. And we are the majority, make no mistake. Homosexuality is in the minority around the world.

Civil unions, so that you all can have legal rights ( property etc) is where it should have stopped. You cried that,” oh without certain rights, the relatives can kick me out of house,once my homosexual partner dies!”, well civil unions would have solved that. But no, it morphed into SSM and we, the people do not sanction legislation supporting it and we, the majority will push back and remove it.

In a healthy democracy, the majority overrules the minority, why isn’t of working with regards to this issue.

I call you a bigot because you are. You advocate for discrimination against a segment of society. You’re a bigot, I’m sorry you don’t like that…as they say, the truth hurts.

It’s obvious to me that you have no empathy for your fellow Bermudians. I support your right to feel that way, but I don’t support your belief that you can force your, so called, moral values on other members of society.

The law of the land states that same sex couples can get married.

Just fixing the post.

He may want to do a little reading about what the word means, as, in conversation, making a point about the person rather than what they said is an ad hominem or “personal attack”, which was the context I used it in.
I obviously wasn’t using it to mean a physical attack.

This is the level of desperation to which they’ve sunk. They refuse to even engage in civil conversation.

Notice it completely ignores my point, while actually making it!

It admits that this group IS taking action, but tried to dismiss it because they have “convictions”. Then it tries to create equivalence on both sides, accusing his opponents of doing the same thing.

Here’s the problem with that: only one side’s actions actually discriminate against people for absolutely no reason! Only one side is actively trying to hurt people and deny them equal access to rights.

They keep spewing this “best for society” line, but notice they never actually say WHY it’s best for society. They never say HOW.

We’ve asked, many times. There has never been an answer.

Maybe your neighbor is a former or present MP, therefore exempt from paying any import duty.

This is the problem, there are many, who, having faced a very similar battle 50 years ago, oppose equality for all. “They got theirs, so screw everyone else, especially the gays”

Note here he admits that they don’t actually have fully formed arguments and that they are just “internet comments”. We have to ask ourselves: What does this even mean?

Is he actually saying that it’s ok to post lies and misinformation because they’re “internet comments” and not “dissertations”?

I think we all can agree that this is desperate nonsense posted in an attempt to distract from the fact that Preserve Marriage and its supporters have no real argument and have offered no reason that they’re willing to defend for changing the law, something they vehemently disagreed with just earlier this year.

Yes. You’re the only one who thinks that your bigoted ideas are good for society. Your wish to discriminate against a segment of society, that has no effect on you, reveals the truth about you. You’re petty, jealous and hateful…why is this? who hurt you so much that you feel the need to retaliate against people you don’t even know?