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		<title>By: i heart 441</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[i heart 441]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 15 Dec 2017 15:36:20 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Small island mentality huh, well explain the following that I&#039;m about to post.
There are 200 plus countries in this world, some with populations of over 200 million. So this by far is not only a small island mentality.

A survey this month by the Pew Research Center found that 26 countries recognize same-sex marriage. The most recent addition was Australia, where Parliament voted this month to legalize the marriages. (If a recent court ruling in Austria takes effect in 2019 as expected, the number would rise to 27.)

“Worldwide, roughly two-thirds of the countries that allow gay marriage — 17 of 26 — are in Western Europe,” Pew said. “Still, a number of Western European nations, particularly Italy and Switzerland, do not allow same-sex unions. And, so far, no countries in Central and Eastern Europe have legalized gay marriage.”

South Africa is the only African nation to have made the unions legal, and New Zealand and Australia are the only countries in the Asia-Pacific region to have done so. Pew noted that Taiwan’s highest court ruled in favor of gay unions this year but gave Parliament two years to implement the ruling.

“Not surprisingly,” it added, “same-sex marriage has advanced mostly in countries and regions where acceptance of homosexuality is high.”]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Small island mentality huh, well explain the following that I&#8217;m about to post.<br />
There are 200 plus countries in this world, some with populations of over 200 million. So this by far is not only a small island mentality.</p>
<p>A survey this month by the Pew Research Center found that 26 countries recognize same-sex marriage. The most recent addition was Australia, where Parliament voted this month to legalize the marriages. (If a recent court ruling in Austria takes effect in 2019 as expected, the number would rise to 27.)</p>
<p>“Worldwide, roughly two-thirds of the countries that allow gay marriage — 17 of 26 — are in Western Europe,” Pew said. “Still, a number of Western European nations, particularly Italy and Switzerland, do not allow same-sex unions. And, so far, no countries in Central and Eastern Europe have legalized gay marriage.”</p>
<p>South Africa is the only African nation to have made the unions legal, and New Zealand and Australia are the only countries in the Asia-Pacific region to have done so. Pew noted that Taiwan’s highest court ruled in favor of gay unions this year but gave Parliament two years to implement the ruling.</p>
<p>“Not surprisingly,” it added, “same-sex marriage has advanced mostly in countries and regions where acceptance of homosexuality is high.”</p>
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		<title>By: Out-of-Towner</title>
		<link>https://bernews.com/2017/12/american-group-urges-governor-to-veto-bill/#comment-3608944</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Out-of-Towner]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 15 Dec 2017 14:30:04 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Shameful yes and self defeating. World press is already condemning this. It will destroy the good will created by Americas Cup.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Shameful yes and self defeating. World press is already condemning this. It will destroy the good will created by Americas Cup.</p>
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		<title>By: One Who Escaped</title>
		<link>https://bernews.com/2017/12/american-group-urges-governor-to-veto-bill/#comment-3608934</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[One Who Escaped]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 15 Dec 2017 14:21:57 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[And so it begins...... and ends.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>And so it begins&#8230;&#8230; and ends.</p>
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		<title>By: bdaboy</title>
		<link>https://bernews.com/2017/12/american-group-urges-governor-to-veto-bill/#comment-3608845</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[bdaboy]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 15 Dec 2017 13:02:17 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[&quot; The PLP would claim that they are being oppressed because they aren’t allowed to oppress another group.&quot;

...and they will not see the hypocrisy in this.
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8221; The PLP would claim that they are being oppressed because they aren’t allowed to oppress another group.&#8221;</p>
<p>&#8230;and they will not see the hypocrisy in this.</p>
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		<title>By: Bermudianabroad</title>
		<link>https://bernews.com/2017/12/american-group-urges-governor-to-veto-bill/#comment-3608749</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Bermudianabroad]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 15 Dec 2017 11:24:58 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[It&#039;s just a problem of small island mentality. It will take a generation, but in the end it will change. You just have to outlive the morons or do not go there or move. Try Australia which is enlightened, at last!

 It is so sad for Bermuda given its past record of discrimination. Just shows both black or white equally know how to discriminate. One day, hopefully we will get it right. The Gov does not have a choice. Reap as you sow.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It&#8217;s just a problem of small island mentality. It will take a generation, but in the end it will change. You just have to outlive the morons or do not go there or move. Try Australia which is enlightened, at last!</p>
<p> It is so sad for Bermuda given its past record of discrimination. Just shows both black or white equally know how to discriminate. One day, hopefully we will get it right. The Gov does not have a choice. Reap as you sow.</p>
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		<title>By: smile</title>
		<link>https://bernews.com/2017/12/american-group-urges-governor-to-veto-bill/#comment-3608282</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[smile]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 15 Dec 2017 03:21:50 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I sadly agree with you.  I gave myself a civics lesson yesterday and sat through the debate at Parliament house.  

While the optics of this are terrible and will damage Bermudas reputation (and my personal views are that a vote of conscience should have blocked the bill)....  Reality is - Sadly we have a large percentage of the population who are very conservative and stuck in their ways.  

Government and independent senators are there to represent the populations wishes and sadly Marriage equality isn&#039;t something the majority of Bermudians are ready for.

I was Inspired sitting in on the debate that the MAJORITY of senators did express hope that our population would evolve more quickly in this &quot;space&quot; and that as the rest of the world progresses - that we will follow.  
That is positive!

Keep being heard and days of marriage equality for all in this country are on the near horizon.
 
** One note.  For all those appalled at yesterdays decision.  I think it was a wake up call that when Referendums are held on big issues like this....... GET OUT AND VOTE!!!  It is pitiful that less than 50% of registered voters showed up in 2016 for the referendum on SSM.

Too many of us were just &quot;too busy&quot; that day to support a minority group that needed our voice of support behind them on the day of the vote (Not now 18 months too late!).]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I sadly agree with you.  I gave myself a civics lesson yesterday and sat through the debate at Parliament house.  </p>
<p>While the optics of this are terrible and will damage Bermudas reputation (and my personal views are that a vote of conscience should have blocked the bill)&#8230;.  Reality is &#8211; Sadly we have a large percentage of the population who are very conservative and stuck in their ways.  </p>
<p>Government and independent senators are there to represent the populations wishes and sadly Marriage equality isn&#8217;t something the majority of Bermudians are ready for.</p>
<p>I was Inspired sitting in on the debate that the MAJORITY of senators did express hope that our population would evolve more quickly in this &#8220;space&#8221; and that as the rest of the world progresses &#8211; that we will follow.<br />
That is positive!</p>
<p>Keep being heard and days of marriage equality for all in this country are on the near horizon.</p>
<p>** One note.  For all those appalled at yesterdays decision.  I think it was a wake up call that when Referendums are held on big issues like this&#8230;&#8230;. GET OUT AND VOTE!!!  It is pitiful that less than 50% of registered voters showed up in 2016 for the referendum on SSM.</p>
<p>Too many of us were just &#8220;too busy&#8221; that day to support a minority group that needed our voice of support behind them on the day of the vote (Not now 18 months too late!).</p>
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		<title>By: Worried</title>
		<link>https://bernews.com/2017/12/american-group-urges-governor-to-veto-bill/#comment-3608175</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Worried]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 15 Dec 2017 01:41:20 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Not at all, but you might as well say we already are. If you don&#039;t do what I say we will rally for independence. For those that think that independence is the best answer, let me ask you this. Does your dollar mean anything to you? What exactly besides, tourism and ok a little goslings rum do we make money on or bring to the table? The grass is not always greener on the other side. Let&#039;s just take this beautiful island and turn it into shambles. What exactly is the big deal over this same sex marriage??? It is a personal choice of a human being, there is nothing you can do or say that will change that persons feelings, except by this make them want to stay as far away from here as possible. Should we go independent then tell me where exactly do you think money will come from. Take it from me, it sure does&#039;nt grow on trees.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Not at all, but you might as well say we already are. If you don&#8217;t do what I say we will rally for independence. For those that think that independence is the best answer, let me ask you this. Does your dollar mean anything to you? What exactly besides, tourism and ok a little goslings rum do we make money on or bring to the table? The grass is not always greener on the other side. Let&#8217;s just take this beautiful island and turn it into shambles. What exactly is the big deal over this same sex marriage??? It is a personal choice of a human being, there is nothing you can do or say that will change that persons feelings, except by this make them want to stay as far away from here as possible. Should we go independent then tell me where exactly do you think money will come from. Take it from me, it sure does&#8217;nt grow on trees.</p>
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		<title>By: Bermudaperson</title>
		<link>https://bernews.com/2017/12/american-group-urges-governor-to-veto-bill/#comment-3608148</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Bermudaperson]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 15 Dec 2017 01:16:43 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[The PLP would be extraordinarily ignorant and a public embarrassment if it would scream independence because the UK refuses to allow them to oppress a minority. The PLP would claim that they are being oppressed because they aren’t allowed to oppress another group.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The PLP would be extraordinarily ignorant and a public embarrassment if it would scream independence because the UK refuses to allow them to oppress a minority. The PLP would claim that they are being oppressed because they aren’t allowed to oppress another group.</p>
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		<title>By: Bermudaperson</title>
		<link>https://bernews.com/2017/12/american-group-urges-governor-to-veto-bill/#comment-3608146</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Bermudaperson]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 15 Dec 2017 01:14:59 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Why would it be wrong for the governor, the representative of the Queen and UK government, to veto a hateful bill that seeks to take away equal rights? You do realise how bad Bermuda looks if it is takes away rights?]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Why would it be wrong for the governor, the representative of the Queen and UK government, to veto a hateful bill that seeks to take away equal rights? You do realise how bad Bermuda looks if it is takes away rights?</p>
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		<title>By: Legalgal</title>
		<link>https://bernews.com/2017/12/american-group-urges-governor-to-veto-bill/#comment-3608132</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Legalgal]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 15 Dec 2017 01:02:09 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Sadly he’ll rubber stamp it. But reluctantly. Shameful day for Bermuda.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Sadly he’ll rubber stamp it. But reluctantly. Shameful day for Bermuda.</p>
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		<title>By: PBanks</title>
		<link>https://bernews.com/2017/12/american-group-urges-governor-to-veto-bill/#comment-3608117</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[PBanks]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 15 Dec 2017 00:47:16 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I fear you may be right. I don&#039;t know what OutBermuda and Rainbow Alliance and their supporters can really do now besides regroup. Maybe hope for a new political movement that&#039;s supportive of their message, and rally behind them.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I fear you may be right. I don&#8217;t know what OutBermuda and Rainbow Alliance and their supporters can really do now besides regroup. Maybe hope for a new political movement that&#8217;s supportive of their message, and rally behind them.</p>
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		<title>By: facts of the rock</title>
		<link>https://bernews.com/2017/12/american-group-urges-governor-to-veto-bill/#comment-3608116</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[facts of the rock]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 15 Dec 2017 00:47:05 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[who cares if the plp do try to rally for Independence,it will never happen;plus,whilst the Queen is on the Throne she will never give up Bermuda.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>who cares if the plp do try to rally for Independence,it will never happen;plus,whilst the Queen is on the Throne she will never give up Bermuda.</p>
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		<title>By: #BoycottBermuda is trending....</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[#BoycottBermuda is trending....]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 15 Dec 2017 00:26:04 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[https://mobile.twitter.com/hashtag/boycottbermuda

This will be great for Bermuda]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><a href="https://mobile.twitter.com/hashtag/boycottbermuda" rel="nofollow">https://mobile.twitter.com/hashtag/boycottbermuda</a></p>
<p>This will be great for Bermuda</p>
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		<title>By: Dready</title>
		<link>https://bernews.com/2017/12/american-group-urges-governor-to-veto-bill/#comment-3608064</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Dready]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 14 Dec 2017 23:50:49 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[If the governor does not give his assent, the plp will rally for independence, is that what you want?]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>If the governor does not give his assent, the plp will rally for independence, is that what you want?</p>
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		<title>By: facts of the rock</title>
		<link>https://bernews.com/2017/12/american-group-urges-governor-to-veto-bill/#comment-3607916</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[facts of the rock]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 14 Dec 2017 21:42:39 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[The British  Governor will have NO option but to refuse to sign off on this or face immediate recall in disgrace and an interim  Governor will take over.
No Governor would risk being recalled like that.

This stupid exercise by the plp will fail!
as the younger generation are fond of saying...Epic Fail.

The World Media and it&#039;s people and Leaders are watching this very carefully as it unfolds,not to forget business leaders are taking a very clear interest too.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The British  Governor will have NO option but to refuse to sign off on this or face immediate recall in disgrace and an interim  Governor will take over.<br />
No Governor would risk being recalled like that.</p>
<p>This stupid exercise by the plp will fail!<br />
as the younger generation are fond of saying&#8230;Epic Fail.</p>
<p>The World Media and it&#8217;s people and Leaders are watching this very carefully as it unfolds,not to forget business leaders are taking a very clear interest too.</p>
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		<title>By: Triangle Drifter</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Triangle Drifter]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 14 Dec 2017 21:13:25 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Hmmmm, the Governor is stuck between a rock &amp; a hard place. He is the Queen&#039;s representative. Well, really he is the representative of the British Government which supposedly oversees local goings on in the colonies to make sure they don&#039;t do stupid things.

My understanding is that gay marriages are legal in England. In fact they are legal in all of Europe.

How can he approve this law which is contrary to the Government he represents?]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hmmmm, the Governor is stuck between a rock &amp; a hard place. He is the Queen&#8217;s representative. Well, really he is the representative of the British Government which supposedly oversees local goings on in the colonies to make sure they don&#8217;t do stupid things.</p>
<p>My understanding is that gay marriages are legal in England. In fact they are legal in all of Europe.</p>
<p>How can he approve this law which is contrary to the Government he represents?</p>
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		<title>By: temp</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[temp]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 14 Dec 2017 21:06:03 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[For the avoidance of doubt.

The Domestic Partnership Act passing reflects the majority of Bermuda elected representatives - 24 to 10, Members appointed to the Senate - 8 to 3 (including all 3 Independent Senators) and close to 70% of all voters in the 2016 referendum regarding same sex marriages.

It is also factual that the European Convention on Human Rights (if you accept its legitimacy) has determined that marriage is not a Human Right.  It further encourages relevant jurisdictions to take steps in this regard that reflect local cultural norms and mores.

On that basis, the Governor would be fundamentally wrong in any decision to veto a democratically derived decision.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>For the avoidance of doubt.</p>
<p>The Domestic Partnership Act passing reflects the majority of Bermuda elected representatives &#8211; 24 to 10, Members appointed to the Senate &#8211; 8 to 3 (including all 3 Independent Senators) and close to 70% of all voters in the 2016 referendum regarding same sex marriages.</p>
<p>It is also factual that the European Convention on Human Rights (if you accept its legitimacy) has determined that marriage is not a Human Right.  It further encourages relevant jurisdictions to take steps in this regard that reflect local cultural norms and mores.</p>
<p>On that basis, the Governor would be fundamentally wrong in any decision to veto a democratically derived decision.</p>
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