You don’t get ‘right and wrong’ from highly evolved bacteria, there is no objective moral standard from highly evolved pond scum. That’s how you view the world, fine- nobody is forcing you to believe anything else other than this.

But if the world is as you believe, it’s ludicrous for you to be advocating for anything because all we all are is pond scum. Highly evolved bacteria. We are living in an unguided, purposeless universe where nothing ultimately matters.

It’s odd that you believe these sorts of things but then claim a moral high ground and are offended when one bag of bioligical material does something you don’t like or takes a position opposed to another bag of biological material’s viewpoint. There is no future ahead of us and no purpose for anything. It’s all just a freak accident so you have no right to claim things should be this way or that way. They just are. You don’t get to decide right and wrong or good and evil. Those things don’t even exist in the world you believe in. They only exist in your mind and nobody else is under any obligation to adhere to your beliefs.

Why? Because the answer is “none”.

There is absolutely NOTHING that a same sex couple don’t offer to society that a heterosexual couple can.

Nothing.

Nothing that the law says is a disqualification.

These arguments are worthless and hateful.

These folks have been shown to be wrong over and over, have lost TWICE in a court of law, yet they keep pushing the same tired, illegal nonsense in a hope of hurting same sex couples just so they can feel superior.

It’s sad. It’s hateful. It’s bad for our country.

This has nothing to do with the topic at hand, it’s nothing more than a deflection from the fact that you are pushing discrimination for no reason at all.

I’m not interested in hearing about why my worldview and belief system is wrong, according to you. It’s none of your business. Just like yours is none of mine… until you start demanding that I, or anyone else, should have to subscribe to your belief system in a societal way.

Is this homophobia coming from your internal hatred for yourselves?

You need to seek help.

You have no ultimate standard by which to even call anything right or wrong other than popular opinion or your own subjective reasoning which is not shared by other minds. You believe your mind is simply the product of unguided blind evolutionary processes. So your ‘reasoning’ is nothing more than chemicals fizzing in your brain. How can you trust your own brain if that’s all that’s happening?

Well, it is on your side. That’s the only problem facing you: people saying you hate gay folks.

On the other side, we have people being harmed and families that aren’t allowed to be families in the eyes of the law.

But, yeah. It must be horrible being told that you hate folks…

How else would you describe when people want to treat other human beings differently, to deny them access to rights, to refuse them equality, and do it without offering a single reason that even THEY agree with?

How else would you describe demanding the society and Government treat people differently – illegally, I might add! – for no reason?

That’s what hate is. It’s treating and demanding that we treat certain people as less than us based on absolutely nothing.

I used other jurisdictions to answer your question of “how do we know this won’t have an effect on society?”

“Onion Juice” is saying “some other jurisdictions don’t have it, so we shouldn’t”, which is nonsensical.

“That’s hardly long term evidence. I’m talking generations. We don’t have that data because it doesn’t exist.”

Um. We’re talking about marriage. We don’t need generations to see what the effects on society will be, as there have been absolutely none so far, and some places have had Marriage Equality for a while. Unless you have a single shred of evidence that Marriage Equality has affected society in a bad way…

“And given the way societal issues are worsening due to the breakdown of the traditional family unit, the evidence is actually against YOU.”

No. It’s not. There is absolutely zero evidence to back up your claim. None. There is no causal evidence that marriage equality has had ANY effect on “societal issues” or “the breakdown of the family unit”.

Unless you’d like to show some? Some that isn’t just correlation.

“What part of the rest of what I said is “already debunked nonsense”?”

All of it.

“You have no ultimate justification for the morals you try to force others to accept.”

And here we go with the argument for religion.
The rest of this is you arguing that your religion is right and that we should all have to follow it. In veiled language, of course, but that’s what it boils down to.

And this is an invalid argument. No one has to believe what you do. No one has to follow the rules of your religion. You can believe whatever you want. But you can’t demand that anyone else does.
That’s the difference between us.
I don’t have a problem with what you believe, I just think I should have to believe it, too. And I certainly don’t think anyone should be harmed because of your beliefs. The law agrees with me. Heck, YOU agree with me, or would if we were talking about someone demanding you believe what they do!

You, however, have a problem with what I believe in and, in the rest of your post, are pretty much denouncing me for it and demanding that I change my beliefs.

That’s why you are wrong.

“If we are all just animals… blah blah blah”

You very obviously don’t understand the stuff you are talking about.

All of this has been shown to be both wrong and ignorant many times before.

That’s where it all comes from. Not from a specific religion, or from the biases and prejudices of one group or another. It’s the rule of law that applies to all of us equally.

Is this another “they can’t have kids together” argument? Because that’s been brought up before and debunked.

Procreation is not a requirement for marriage. I am married to my wife, have been for more than 20 years. We don’t and can’t have kids. We aren’t “providing” anything to society that a same sex couple aren’t.
Am I to be denied the access to rights that they are?

Your entire argument is false.

You are promoting baseless discrimination.
The evidence of this is that you didn’t give a reason, an actual, defensible reason, that same sex couples shouldn’t be allowed to get married. “…a heterosexual relationship provides things to society that a homosexual relationship does and can not…” isn’t an actual argument if you don’t provide examples. And you can’t provide examples because there are none. None that are valid in any way. None that haven’t been debunked ad nauseum on this site alone.

And, again, it’s not about disagreement. It’s not that you disagree with marriage equality or homosexuals.
It’s the fact that you want them to be treated differently and unequallly by our Government, society, country and community. You want to deny them equal access to the rights and privileges that marriage affords and you want to do it for absolutely no reason at all.

That is unfair and it is wrong. And it’s bad for our country.

No one is asking them to agree either.

Christ, what a sad, disgusting shell of a human being you are.

Same sex relationships involve PEOPLE who are 100% equal to anybody else. However, the RELATIONSHIP and why it does for society is different and therefore your argument for discrimination is not legitimate. I’m not saying SS couples can’t or don’t contribute to society in many awesome ways- of course they do. the point is that a heterosexual relationship provides things to society that a homosexual relationship does and can not. That is why many believe marriage should remain as between 1 man and 1 woman.

You can disagree with that but you can’t fairly say that anyone who disagrees is just doing so because of fear or hate or discrimination. It’s simply not true.

What part of the rest of what I said is “already debunked nonsense”? You have no ultimate justification for the morals you try to force others to accept.

If we are all just animals, ‘molecules in motion’ who evolved from bacteria as you believe, then we are left with what atheist Richard Dawkins at least had the honesty to admit: “there is no right or wrong, no good or evil, just blind pitiless indifference.”

At least be consistent with your worldview and admit this. Where do human rights even done from if we’re just highly evolved bacteria in a purposeless unguided universe? That concept is nonsense. Human rights only matter if people have value. In your worldview they only have the value you ascribe to them. Why should the rest of humanity or anybody listen to your views on morality? We’re under no obligation to. Highly evolved bacteria have no right to tell people how to act and the concepts of right and wrong are merely subjective if we’re just highly evolved bacteria.

Stop stealing from the Christian worldview to fight against the God you refuse to acknowledge. If you’re consistent in your worldview then nothing ultimately matters and we are all just dancing to our DNA. So stop wasting your life doing any of this because it doesn’t matter in your worldview….

Awaiting your “this is all just nonsense” reply because you’re incapable of responding to this critical question. Your whole worldview crumbles and this makes everything else you say afterward completely irrelevant.

If your position is so strong, why do you have to rely on lies to support it?

It’s about promoting discrimination for no reason.
It’s about hurting people.

You can have all the views you want on this subject. Go for it.

But when you start demanding that people be discriminated against because of those views? There’s a problem.

We aren’t standing up for OUR values, we’re standing up for yours, too.

Unless you think it IS ok to discriminate for no reason…

If we, the folks who support Marriage Equality, get what we want, nothing will change for you in any way.
If you get your way, people will be hurt because they will be losing access to rights for absolutely no reason at all.

And the limits you talk about? They’re all done for reasons.
The limit you want to impose? There’s no reason for it.

Unless you’d like to offer one?

Why does that matter?

To turn it around using the researcher’s methodology, male high school or college classmates who hang out together and remain friends, are homosexuals. You give your male friend a hug means you are both homosexuals.

Dolphins vying for a female by bumping into each other does not mean they are homosexuals. That would mean that two males in a bar fighting over a female are really homosexuals because of the physical contact.

Since homosexual animals cannot reproduce, there is no evolution other than extinction. You just debunked your own claim.

The rest of your post is already debunked nonsense.

Which is irrelevant, as human rights aren’t a popularity contest.
It doesnt matter if the majority don’t want marriage equality. The majority DO want the Human Rights Act to be enforced and denying people equal access to rights goes against that. It’s illegal to do that.

But keep pushing the false equivalence.

Please support your claim with facts, and not from a blog.