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		<title>By: LOL (original)</title>
		<link>https://bernews.com/2021/09/86194-total-vaccinations-66-0-two-doses/#comment-5539482</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[LOL (original)]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 24 Sep 2021 16:19:25 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Here&#039;s my link ourworldindata.org check it out might be surprising to some of you.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Here&#8217;s my link ourworldindata.org check it out might be surprising to some of you.</p>
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		<title>By: LOL (original)</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[LOL (original)]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 20 Sep 2021 13:11:59 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Been busy actually looking at the actual report not an NPR article about the report. Might take some time to finish.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Been busy actually looking at the actual report not an NPR article about the report. Might take some time to finish.</p>
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		<title>By: Carlos</title>
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		<pubDate>Thu, 16 Sep 2021 16:02:38 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Correlation is not causation. 

You seem to imply that more vaccines imply more cases, just because both (in Bermuda) coincided with the passage of time. Using the same logic, you could imply that extra cases happen because babies are being born or trees are growing.


A proper way to address this issue is to look at different places (Bermuda included). Chances of an unvaccinated person being infected are higher anywhere in the world. You mentioned Israel, which is a case in point (you can see Israeli data graphed here: https://www.ft.com/content/cf83b3a1-fe06-4c9f-999c-7500090aee7c) 

Here you can see a plot of California counties: more vaccines means less hospitalizations - there&#039;s a direct correlation. (https://www.nytimes.com/2021/09/15/briefing/gavin-newsom-recall-covid-referendum.html)

There are hundreds of studies like this, everywhere in the world. There is also anedoctal evidence (flawed as is) - cases are falling steadily in South America, Delta was controlled in highly vaccinated places such as Portugal, Denmark and San Francisco, etc

For Bermuda, this can be easily calculated. Assuming 66% vaxxed and 34% unvaxxed, with the most recent numbers of local transmission (28% of the cases were fully vaccinated), basic math shows that, so far, vaccinated persons are about 80% less likely to develop a symptomatic infection, which is pretty much on par with the rest of the world.

There is so much data on this, from so many different countries, with different researchers, different political views, geopolitical interests and what not. 

The only ways to misunderstand this data is to have little information or little training on how to analyze that information. If one haven&#039;t had access to the studies or isn&#039;t well acquainted with statistics, maybe one should be careful about the limits of overconfidence.

Vaccines are an effective tool, just as they were against smallpox, measles, polio, etc. The Covid-19 vaccines in particular are some of the most well-researched substances in history, more than most meds and types of food.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Correlation is not causation. </p>
<p>You seem to imply that more vaccines imply more cases, just because both (in Bermuda) coincided with the passage of time. Using the same logic, you could imply that extra cases happen because babies are being born or trees are growing.</p>
<p>A proper way to address this issue is to look at different places (Bermuda included). Chances of an unvaccinated person being infected are higher anywhere in the world. You mentioned Israel, which is a case in point (you can see Israeli data graphed here: <a href="https://www.ft.com/content/cf83b3a1-fe06-4c9f-999c-7500090aee7c" rel="nofollow">https://www.ft.com/content/cf83b3a1-fe06-4c9f-999c-7500090aee7c</a>) </p>
<p>Here you can see a plot of California counties: more vaccines means less hospitalizations &#8211; there&#8217;s a direct correlation. (<a href="https://www.nytimes.com/2021/09/15/briefing/gavin-newsom-recall-covid-referendum.html" rel="nofollow">https://www.nytimes.com/2021/09/15/briefing/gavin-newsom-recall-covid-referendum.html</a>)</p>
<p>There are hundreds of studies like this, everywhere in the world. There is also anedoctal evidence (flawed as is) &#8211; cases are falling steadily in South America, Delta was controlled in highly vaccinated places such as Portugal, Denmark and San Francisco, etc</p>
<p>For Bermuda, this can be easily calculated. Assuming 66% vaxxed and 34% unvaxxed, with the most recent numbers of local transmission (28% of the cases were fully vaccinated), basic math shows that, so far, vaccinated persons are about 80% less likely to develop a symptomatic infection, which is pretty much on par with the rest of the world.</p>
<p>There is so much data on this, from so many different countries, with different researchers, different political views, geopolitical interests and what not. </p>
<p>The only ways to misunderstand this data is to have little information or little training on how to analyze that information. If one haven&#8217;t had access to the studies or isn&#8217;t well acquainted with statistics, maybe one should be careful about the limits of overconfidence.</p>
<p>Vaccines are an effective tool, just as they were against smallpox, measles, polio, etc. The Covid-19 vaccines in particular are some of the most well-researched substances in history, more than most meds and types of food.</p>
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		<title>By: Data Driven</title>
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		<pubDate>Thu, 16 Sep 2021 14:07:13 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Again:

LOL, I took your suggestion and read up on the Israeli situation across a variety of sources. I think the best and most approachable summary is this one:

https://www.npr.org/sections/goatsandsoda/2021/08/20/1029628471/highly-vaccinated-israel-is-seeing-a-dramatic-surge-in-new-covid-cases-heres-why

I would encourage people to read this, it is not too long, but will pull out a couple key statements:

1 – ” the rate of serious cases among unvaccinated people over age 60 (178.7 per 100,000) was nine times more than the rate among fully vaccinated people of the same age category”

2 – “only 58% of Israel’s total citizenry is fully vaccinated. Experts say that’s not nearly high enough.”

3 – “Israeli national HMO Maccabi Healthcare Services, which conducted the preliminary study of 149,144 Israelis who received three Pfizer shots, said for Israelis above age 60, a Pfizer booster shot reduced the chances of infection by 86% and reduced the chances of severe infection by 92%.”

I do not see how any of this suggests that vaccinated people spread the disease as much as unvaccinated.

I absolutely agree that vaccination does not stop transmission but there is a really good UK study demonstrating that even one dose reduces it by 50% with an indication that the second dose improves that.

LOL, I support your view that people should review data from other countries. I just think you need to read all of it.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Again:</p>
<p>LOL, I took your suggestion and read up on the Israeli situation across a variety of sources. I think the best and most approachable summary is this one:</p>
<p><a href="https://www.npr.org/sections/goatsandsoda/2021/08/20/1029628471/highly-vaccinated-israel-is-seeing-a-dramatic-surge-in-new-covid-cases-heres-why" rel="nofollow">https://www.npr.org/sections/goatsandsoda/2021/08/20/1029628471/highly-vaccinated-israel-is-seeing-a-dramatic-surge-in-new-covid-cases-heres-why</a></p>
<p>I would encourage people to read this, it is not too long, but will pull out a couple key statements:</p>
<p>1 – ” the rate of serious cases among unvaccinated people over age 60 (178.7 per 100,000) was nine times more than the rate among fully vaccinated people of the same age category”</p>
<p>2 – “only 58% of Israel’s total citizenry is fully vaccinated. Experts say that’s not nearly high enough.”</p>
<p>3 – “Israeli national HMO Maccabi Healthcare Services, which conducted the preliminary study of 149,144 Israelis who received three Pfizer shots, said for Israelis above age 60, a Pfizer booster shot reduced the chances of infection by 86% and reduced the chances of severe infection by 92%.”</p>
<p>I do not see how any of this suggests that vaccinated people spread the disease as much as unvaccinated.</p>
<p>I absolutely agree that vaccination does not stop transmission but there is a really good UK study demonstrating that even one dose reduces it by 50% with an indication that the second dose improves that.</p>
<p>LOL, I support your view that people should review data from other countries. I just think you need to read all of it.</p>
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		<title>By: sandgrownan</title>
		<link>https://bernews.com/2021/09/86194-total-vaccinations-66-0-two-doses/#comment-5533005</link>
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		<pubDate>Thu, 16 Sep 2021 12:55:14 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Someone else in another thread already did that for you. But, yes, you are wrong. You read what you wanted to read.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Someone else in another thread already did that for you. But, yes, you are wrong. You read what you wanted to read.</p>
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		<title>By: LOL (original)</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[LOL (original)]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 16 Sep 2021 11:17:15 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Explain Israel then? And Prove me wrong. I would be grateful if I am.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Explain Israel then? And Prove me wrong. I would be grateful if I am.</p>
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		<title>By: .am</title>
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		<pubDate>Wed, 15 Sep 2021 15:32:08 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Let me fix that for you: &#039;is it not interesting that the less restrictions in place and the less preventative measures that are practiced, the more cases spring up?&#039;]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Let me fix that for you: &#8216;is it not interesting that the less restrictions in place and the less preventative measures that are practiced, the more cases spring up?&#8217;</p>
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		<title>By: sandgrownan</title>
		<link>https://bernews.com/2021/09/86194-total-vaccinations-66-0-two-doses/#comment-5532393</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[sandgrownan]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 15 Sep 2021 15:27:24 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Only if you&#039;re an idiot.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Only if you&#8217;re an idiot.</p>
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		<title>By: LOL (original)</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[LOL (original)]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 15 Sep 2021 14:28:35 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Is it not interesting that the higher the vaccination rate goes the more cases spring up?]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Is it not interesting that the higher the vaccination rate goes the more cases spring up?</p>
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		<title>By: Please answer</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Please answer]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 15 Sep 2021 03:32:42 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[It was reported by the world health organization that 95% of all people who died from covid had 3-4 other diseases such as diabetes, cancer, hypertension and dementia.  

That would mean only 5% actually died from covid.   Wouldn’t it make more sense to campaign living a healthier lifestyle than a vaccine that’s on a live trial?

Suggestion:  Pay $50 to everyone who can lose  10 pounds of body fat  in a calendar year.     You already paid $50 to take the vaccine.   You see how much healthier we have become because of that.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It was reported by the world health organization that 95% of all people who died from covid had 3-4 other diseases such as diabetes, cancer, hypertension and dementia.  </p>
<p>That would mean only 5% actually died from covid.   Wouldn’t it make more sense to campaign living a healthier lifestyle than a vaccine that’s on a live trial?</p>
<p>Suggestion:  Pay $50 to everyone who can lose  10 pounds of body fat  in a calendar year.     You already paid $50 to take the vaccine.   You see how much healthier we have become because of that.</p>
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