Second Shooting Incident Last Night
Following a shooting at the West End last night, the Bermuda Police Service are now investigating a second gun-related incident in Devonshire in the early hours of this morning [Dec.11].
“Around 12:30am on Sunday police received a report of gunshots in the Border Lane East, Devonshire area. Officers promptly responded to the scene and seized evidence for forensic examination,” said a police spokesman. “A motorcycle was also impounded in the vicinity. There were no reported injuries.”
The Bermuda Police Service are not at this stage linking the two incidents.
“An active investigation into these incidents is underway,” said the police spokesman. “Any witnesses or anyone with any information is encouraged to contact the Serious Crime Unit on 295-0011 or the independent and confidential Crime Stoppers hotline on 800-8477.”
I am not sure what there are more of on this island: Cockroaches or shootings.
Chickens
I reach out to the public and beg that if you know anything (even if its a rumour) let the police know before another family has to deal with the loss of a brother, husband, father,son…. Call crimestoppers if you wish to report an incedent anonymously. Be proactive put a stop to this ignorant violence and maybe save a life. If you don’t, I hope you can live with yourself after someone else is killed knowing that you could have stopped it!
we should run our prisons like north korea, give prisoners dry rice for 30+ years and do hard labor, dig useless holes for all I care. Lucky I’m not suggesting public execution … maybe people will think twice then about pulling the trigger
Capital punishment needs to return. The powers that be say it is barbaric-but is it not barbaric to take a life over some dumb bs? Leaving families watching these murderers get out in 10 or 15 years. I feel if you kill someone and it was deliberate-you should die the same way!
It is barbaric and it has not reduced serious crime in the US. Further, if the US get their verdicts/ sentencing wrong and execute someone that is not guilty, than surely we are capable of doing the same.
I hate when people say that it doesn’t reduce crime in the states. OF COURSE IT DOESN’T! THEIR POPULATION DWARFS OURS!!!!
If there were 340,000,000 people in Bermuda I can undertand your point. But there are 70,000 tops here. After so many executions here, you’ll see the crime rate drop as we start to run out of gangsters to hang.
link me some weaponry and i will get rid of the issue
I asked this before, and I’ll ask again…….
Mr. Wayne Furbert, should we print this??? Or hide the truth?
Bernews……don’t you mean 3rd shooting in one week……Dandy Town, Somerset, Border Lane East Devonshire???
Why you keep saying Furbert when its Perinchief. Get your facts straight before you start blaming people.
Actually it was Furbert
You asked this before? Why you riding Mr Furbert’s back. Just because he was defending the island reputation when the Hate PLP Media printed the bad stuff about Bermuda.
u call that the hate PLP Media for printing the truth!
Really!!!
Soon, if not already, this island would have the highest murder rate per square capita for a country that is not officially at WAR!!!
Joe Clark for education minister!
Joe Arpaio for prison commissioner!
Kamla Pershad Bissesssar for tourism minister!
Raul Castro for security advisor!
Oh, shut up. The island has not seen one gun murder this half of the year, and yet you ramble on with this sensationalist nonsense? I am *not* condoning this foolish behavior, but please, when making comments on such stories, can we try to be rational in our remarks?
Thank you Ryan.. A voice of flippin reason!
Ryan and Grass Roots…….please don’t shoot ME…..I’m only reading a report that was published by the United Nations Office on drugs and Crime. It states that Bermuda’s per square Capita rate skyrocketed to almost double the global average in 2011. Eight people have been violently killed this year, giving the island a rate of 12.5 murders per 100,000 (based off a population of 64,000) people…….The fact that these three shootings did not KILL anyone still doesn’t change the FACTS…….
Please explain, what is foolish about the truth/facts/reality?
A man convinced against his will is of the same opinion still!
‘Are you serious!!!’ I read that same report, and, accordingly, do not need a summary. While I will not disagree with the ‘facts’ it sets forward, I do believe that you, as well as others, are blowing things *way* out of proportion (I mean, really? ‘Raul Castro for security advisor?’); as it is, claiming that Bermuda will ‘soon, if not already, [...] have the highest murder rate per square capita for a country that is not officially at WAR [sic]‘ is neither factual nor rational, and is instead sensationalist drivel that does little more than alarm.
So as to recenter your absurd perspectives, I suggest you read the following article, written by a non-Bermudian http://bermudasun.bm/main.asp?SectionID=4&SubSectionID=135&ArticleID=55625
Again, all of these shootings — whether they result in an injury or not — are foolish and ill-considered actions by their perpetrators, and, believe you me, I would like nothing more than to see them expunged from our island. However, the comments section on Bernews and other local blogs are not for tirades of over-dramatic musings proclaiming that Bermuda is a ‘war zone.’ Such accounts just seem silly. Rather, they are for intelligent debate and commentary rooted on facts, and not aloof speculation.
Mr. Whiting, what are your thoughts about the statistics below. (No speculation)
http://www.nationmaster.com/graph/cri_mur_percap-crime-murders-per-capita
These rates have been calculated per 1million people. If you do a conversion to Bermuda’s population it is very alarming to say the least.
In order for ALL of us to make change 1st we have to understand that we have a serious problem on our hands…….What are your solutions on helping to solve our issues????
I would say that it does not make sense to even attempt to compare Bermuda’s murder rate to that of country’s with more the 5-million people. You cannot extrapolate anything meaningful out of such a comparison, and, as such, it is not accurate to do so. Certainly we would not even compare our murder rate with that of New York City, which hovers around 500 per year, or even Manhattan Island, which is of a comparable size to Bermuda and yet records murder rates of over 70 per year. And why don’t we? Because, with a population of around 65,000 people, such comparisons would not be statistically sound.
Instead, I think we need to look at our murder rate in context with other islands, especially those with similar populations. By doing so, we can arrive at a more accurate picture of Bermuda’s state, and so approach it with a rational mindset, and not an alarmist one.
And the solution, for me, is quite simply — harsher sentences, which, to start, do away with this ‘co-current’ nonsense. And perhaps a less desirable jail, with less desirable living conditions. The police, in my eyes, are doing their job well enough. I think now we must pressure our courts to do the same.
Ryan,
You say it yourself, that “…with a population of around 65,000 people, such comparisons would not be statistically sound.”
Yet, when it is made statistically sound by converting the statistic to murders per 100,000, you don’t like the statistically sound result.
You can’t have it both ways. Bermuda’s government can’t on one hand boast about its “income per capita” (which it does, regularly) but then say that “murder rate per capita” is a misleading number because the population is relatively small. That’s the whole point of the ‘per capita’ statistic; it normalizes the numbers so that large and small populations can be compared fairly.
Mr. Whiting, please see below!
Deaths from violence per 100,000 people (Statistics 2005)
Bahamas – 21.2
St. Vincent and the Grenadines – 13.0
St.Kitts and Nevis – 11.9
Antigua and Barbuda – 10.2
Dominicam Republic – 10.2
Guyana – 9.9
Worldwide Average – 9.0
Trinada and Tobago – 8.8
Barbados – 8.5
St. Lucia – 7.6
Cuba – 5.3
Suriname – 4.2
Japan -0.6
Facts are a stubborn thing! Population of Cuba 11million…Raul Castro must be doing something right.
Poulation of Japan 128million (0.6 deaths per 100,000 people)
Sorry, I would have to agree with Mr. Rick Rock
Bermuda in 2011 is @ 12.5 per 100,000……Imagine that!
What the hell is up with these fools. BPS, better cancel that vacation, looks like you may need to step up the patrols and stop and searches to catch these knuckleheads!
Well, we can all be comforted by the announcements a couple of weeks ago that crime is down. That’s a real comfort. Very reassuring.
Well why weren’t de Pow-lice on Borderline Lane last night? If de Pow-lice were there then this wouldn’t have happened. Why don’t they just put a Pow-lice crew on every road then this sort of thing would neva happen. This is UBP’s fault you no. PLP only had since 1998 2 put tings rite.
yup and 13 years on its only gotten worse with the PLP.
@ Igrunt Cant you obviously dont know where Border Lane East is….it isnt an area where the police would be patroling….there are 8 houses on that road…
shootings all weekend this the pattern somebody is going to be dead very shortly:/
Shooting Guns in the AIR makes them feel like Gangstas’ come on Bermy , you haven’t clue’d in yet? Thats the in thing. You will get the occasion when someone will get hit.
I think you may be right because many reports of shoots fired lately have not resulted in injuries. This could only mean 3 things 1) wannabe gangsters who can’t aim are missing their target, 2) overly paranoid people are reporting gun shots when its just car backfire or fireworks or 3) wannabe gangster fools doing that dummy yardie 21 gun salute nonsense they here about on dancehall songs. All these can be bad because 1) poor aim can mean a stray bullet hitting an innocent non-gangster wannabe 2) if bogus reports are flooding in to BPS its taking them off real tasks & media is publishing false reports that will hype up a worse image of Bermuda to tourist 3) If we have fools that are following backward Jamaican lyrics about shooting guns in the air they are pushing Bermuda in the same direction as JA. If number 3 is the reason for these shots fired this is real bad because what goes up must come down. COME ON DUMMIES!!! don’t follow what you here these rappers & dancehall artist preach. These idiots are taking what Bob Marley built up & distorting it & the Jamaicans who are intelligent enough do not promote those fools sadly many young Bermudians only follow the ignorant ones. As for the rap thats fake garbage also. Just look at who started rap NWA just a little insight for you who idolize this junk easy-e was the only real gangster in NWA the others are fake even the fruitcake that brought out eminem. These people promote this stuff to boost sales not because they live it. They feed off young black people’s need to belong but don’t give a damn about their people. They don’t really shoot guns in the air or gang bang because they’re smarter than that & thats why they’re making money off the ignorant. Like said before the only real idiot gang banging in the NWA was easy-e & he’s dead because was dumb enough not to protect himself. Growing up in Bermuda I witness the start of the wannabe gangsters before 42′nd & parkside there was whitewall, frontline & others. These first gangs started when cable tv was introduced & one of the biggest sellout to blacks BET started to air. BET played gangster rap nonstop & made young blacks feel this was their culture. BERMUDA THIS IS NOT OUR CULTURE!!!!! This fake junk BET, MTV, HBO, Showtime airs is not us. We did not come from dancehall we came from a Talbot Brothers culture happy, courteous, kind & smiling. We need to strive to be better than some others in the carribean cause we are. We’re not teeth sucking, gimme dis, gimme dat, me wan dis & me wan dat people because we are better than them.
Sadly, the idiots that need to read this either can’t/won’t or don’t care enough to do so
It’s not just the gangster wannabes who need to read this. Bermudian radio stations, djs, clubs & parents need to take responsibility for what they are promoting. There’s clubs in other countries that have the policy of not playing any song that glorifies gangsters so not to attract or endorse that crowd. What’s the point of playing a song on the radio that the majority of the lyrics are edited out because they are too explicit. I have never heard a Bermudian radio station play Lupe Fiasco, Wycleff Jean, A Tribe Called Quest etc. who put forward a positive message. Instead they play Jay Z who on one hand says he’s trying to uplift blacks & on the other hand is bragging how he used to deal coke & is some big pimp, Lil Wayne who is promoting drinking cough medicine to get high & 50 cent who thinks he’s a god because he got shot a bunch of times & is still living. I don’t listen to these stations because I can’t stand the brainwash junk they play or go to these clubs for the same reason. Maybe we should all take responsibility for what is put in the young & our minds & boycott these stations & clubs until they actually start playing DANCE music not grit your teeth, bob your head up & down & look as hard as you can music. We need to show the younger generation that being a nerd is cool & being a thug drug dealer is lame & degrading. Parents need to also need to look & listen to what’s going into their child. Right down the lyrics in your child’s music & goggle the slang & you’ll be shocked when you find out what Jay Z means when he’s talking about pushing weight or Lil Wayne when he’s says he likes to sip on sisurp & trust me it doesn’t mean kool aid but its one of the things some kids think is cool just cause weezy said it.
Very well said! Excellent points!
Where do you expect these people to do target practice? I mean come on people, you want them to hit the intended target and not an innocent party – so they gotta practice somewhere!!!
Target practice? How about in your backyard? We put the bullseye up on your wall? What do you say say say says good idea?
Solution:
1. Lets profile all young people from age 16 years to 35, both males and female:
Find out what they do, and help them is they cannot help them themselves
and while still there:
2. Look out for the next generation in high school and Middle school, start the conversation
3. Community: Bermuda solution to this is through community involvement: we need community to come together to talk to these kids, understand ,ask questions, they may not have all the answers but that’s a start.. the govt can high FBI and CIA agents, but that will not end gang activities, if it could United States would have done this along time ago!
3. Do not forget the face of the real victim, they made a poor choice and we need to remind these young people the consequences
@Just Curious
At what point does a child become an adult? Your solution is interesting and definitely worth looking into. However, your label of “youth” begins at 16 and extends all the way to 35? You can’t be serious. I’m in that bracket. I’m certainly no youth. I’ve been married of almost a decade, am a father, have changed careers once, have a mortgage, and so on. I’d say that 25 years of age is the maximum of the youth label; and that is a stretch as I’d be more inclined to go with 21. In fact, lets call it at 21.
At 22+ you are easily fully responsible adult and, therefore, fully responsible for your actions. We need to stop referring to these fully formed and grown men and women as youth. This implies that they are somehow not fully responsible for their actions. That these “mistakes” can be attributed to youthful exuberance, ignorance or naivety. These people are not children. They are criminals; wilful adult criminals that prey on our true youth. They perpetuate the behaviour in our youth by grooming them, incorporating them, and encouraging and facilitating criminal activity. Be it vandalism, theft, assault, prostitution, murder, drug dealing, drug smuggling, weapons smuggling, … you name it.
These men and women need to be held accountable. Not mollycoddled! It starts by ceasing to refer to them as “youth” and identifying them as the criminals they are.
Ride
@ Ride,
my statement have “young” not “youth”
and @ your point that beginning 22 + you are responsible, it does not work for all YOUNG people..even the 35,,
Based on your comments, the community can benefit from you a lot! encouraging the young men and women of this Great country to make great choices..
Yes, you are a father … But do you think the school that your child goes to, or the country that they will live when @ 22 years will be O.K..Yes they are criminals, that does not mean they do not leave in Bermuda, but some crimes can be prevented!
Join the Movement.. Make a difference.. it is your country!
@Just Curious
Young people and youth are used as synonyms among these comments and other forums concerning the state of Bermuda; especially when it includes those under the age of 21. I disagree with lumping full grown men and women, those 22+ years of age, in with young people (or youth), those 21 years of age and below. 22+ does work for all people unless you are clinically mentally deficient. At some point the bibs and carousels must be packed away and an individual must man-up (or woman-up) and take responsibility for themselves and their actions.
Harsh sentencing with extreme prejudice against parole without participation in recidivism prevention programmes, training in a trade or education in industry (not above associates level) and psychological evaluation to measure acceptance of culpability for the crime and an acute awareness of its affects. These are a few of the options I see as solutions for criminal adults.
For the true youth (or young people), a real understanding expectations of excellence in a Global Bermuda, an education framework implemented such that student excellence is the norm instead of the exception, an acute understanding of the self inflicted economic disfranchisement and enslavement that comes with criminality, a personal responsibility to community, and training in a trade and/or education in an industry at the Bachelors level or above. This all leads to an earned (not entitled) opportunity to participate in the Bermuda economy while being equipped to partake.
I’m not aware of this Movement you speak of. However, my contribution to a better now and future Bermuda, in addition to a couple of community service efforts, is ensuring that my heirs and their company understand and accept the above as the norm.
Ride
pinch your nose and blow, let me know how it feels!