Minister, Opposition Leader On Inaccuracies
[Updated] Environment Minister Sylvan Richards and Opposition Leader Marc Bean exchanged words in the House of Assembly today [Sept 27] with both accusing each other of making inaccurate statements.
Minister Richards said the total amount spent on the National Infrastructure Plan to date is $58,181 which is a “far cry from the inaccurate $500,000 figure that was quoted repeatedly by the Opposition leader.”
The Minister also said he did “some checking” and the Opposition Leader, in his capacity as a former Minister under the previous government, actually attended the last KPMG summit which was held in 2011, and there was no summit held in 2012.
Mr Bean said the Minister’s statement contained inaccuracies. He first noted that his name was spelled wrong in the statement, and also said he actually did attend a KPMG Infrastructure seminar in 2012.
The topic came up following the recent KPMG National Infrastructure Strategy Seminar in Miami, which was attended by Premier Craig Cannonier, Minister Shawn Crockwell, Minister Trevor Moniz, Minister Sylvan Richards as well as a few top civil servants.
The Opposition Leader branded the trip a “waste of taxpayers funds,” and said PWC was paid approximately $500,000 to produce the Infrastructure Strategy, and said the PLP has called on Government to implement it.
Minister Richards cited the following quote from the Opposition Leader:
As Minister, I attended the summit in 2012 and as a result issued a Request For Proposal for the development of a comprehensive infrastructure strategy for the use of future Bermuda Governments.
Multiple bids were received and PWC was selected as the successful bid. In the fourth quarter of 2012, PWC was paid approximately $500,000 to produce the infrastructure strategy.
Speaking in the House of Assembly today, Minister Richards said, “I did some checking and the Opposition leader, in his capacity as a former Minister under the previous government, actually attended the last KPMG summit which was held September 22nd to September 23rd of 2011.
“There was no summit held in 2012 due to a number of elections occurring in the various islands, including our own, that would have normally attended that year.
“There is, however, a much more important clarification that must be pointed out and that is this. PWC, as a result of their successful RFP was given a two phase contract by the former Government consisting of a Phase I Report and a Phase II Report.
“The Phase I Report gave a broad overview of the initial considerations for a ‘Vision for Infrastructure in Bermuda’ including strategic drivers which underpin the case for developing the National Infrastructure Plan.
“The Phase I Report had a contracted price tag of $50,000 and was completed December 21, 2012. To date, the full payment for this Phase I Report is a grand total of $58,181, consisting of $50,000 per the contract, and $8,181 in incidentals.
“The purpose of the Phase II Report was to deliver the actual National Infrastructure Plan. This OBA Government has made a decision to not proceed with the Phase II Report at this juncture, and is considering its options with regard to the management of Bermuda’s long term infrastructure.
“This Phase II Report had a contracted price tag of $340,000. As the Phase II Report is not moving forward at this time, the total dollar amount spent on the National Infrastructure Plan to date is $58,181 which is a far cry from the inaccurate $500,000 figure that was quoted repeatedly by the Opposition Leader.
“The Bermudian public has to be made aware that currently there is no functional National Infrastructure Plan in place. Let us be very clear, this government, The One Bermuda Alliance is diligently in the process of working out the best way forward.
“We are hard at work at putting together real plans, which have real potential to help Bermuda get back on track. Not ‘Pie in the Sky’, feel good words, but determined action,” said Minister Richards.
Questioning Minister Richards, Mr Bean asked who wrote the statement as he said it was inaccurate. First, he noted that his name was spelled wrong [it was spelled "Mark" not "Marc"].
The Opposition Leader also said in contrast to Minister Richards statement saying he last attended the Summit in 2011, he actually did attend a summit in 2012. He also pointed out that he was not the Environment Minister in September 2011, when the Summit was held, having been appointed in November 2011.
Checking our records, we have a statement from the Government in January 2012 saying that Mr Bean — who was then Environment Minister — would be attending the KPMG National Infrastructure Strategy Seminar in Florida.
KPMG confirmed that Mr Bean did attend a KPMG Infrastructure seminar held in Florida in January 2012.
Update 12.50pm: To add to the above, there was a “KPMG Infrastructure Summit” in 2011 and 2013, and in 2012 there was a “KPMG Infrastructure Seminar.” KPMG explained that a “Summit” is a larger scale event.
Update 4.13pm :Using the Government statements issued at the relevant time, we posted the politicians who were listed as attending, the name of the event, along with a link to the original article. Only Cabinet Ministers are listed below, but all three delegations also included senior civil servants. All three events were held in Florida.
- 2013 KPMG National Infrastructure Strategy Summit: C. Cannonier, S. Crockwell, T. Moniz, S. Richards [link]
- 2012 KPMG National Infrastructure Strategy Seminar: Marc Bean, Michael Weeks [link]
- 2011 KPMG’s Infrastructure Summit: Paula Cox, Walter Roban, Zane DeSilva [link]
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So if Bean attended the conference twice, why’s he complaining that current minister did? Numbnuts.
Personally, I understood Mr Bean’s comments as being that due to past attendances, and Bermuda having moved forward on the NIP plan, it was not necessary to send as large a cohort as past years.
I took it that he was implying that only a handful of key civil servants were really required as a result, along with, possibly, the relevant Minister (in this case Mr Richards, as the Minister tasked with infrastructure strategy).
Perhaps Mr Bean meant otherwise. Don’t know. The above is just what I felt he was saying.
Can’t you read ?????
From Bean in prior article.
“As Minister, I attended the summit in 2012 and as a result issued a Request For Proposal [RFP] for the development of a comprehensive Infrastructure Strategy for the use of future Bermuda Governments.”
There was not summit in 2012, just a seminar!
So Minister Richards is correct!
In addition I read that, since this NIP was commissioned under Marc Bean the RFP began and the OBA liked it but didn’t want the PLP to get kuddos so they put in on pause long enough to get attention to it being their own. Once again the paliamentary system as done BDA a disservice. Instead of doing what’s best for the country this issue is becoming politicized.
Thanks so much J Starling for helping others to understand the point. Well put.
I heard this exchange and came to the conclusion that alla u bies make way too much money for simply sniping at each other on Fridays
AGREED!!!!!
And these people get paid for what?
Thank you for the clarifications. However, a few questions in light of the above:
1) When will the Phase I Report (the completed part) be made available to the public?
2) If it is not to be made public, what is the explanation for withholding it?
3) Could you expand on the reasoning for the decision ‘not to proceed with Phase II at this juncture’? Assuming it is due to the cost ($340k), as the argument for the NIP in the first place was to produce long-term cost-savings through rational long-term planning – as opposed to ad-hoc infrastructure construction as we saw in the last decade – how does the Government propose to proceed with infrastructure planning going forward?
4) Does the decision ‘not to proceed with Phase II at this juncture’ constitute a breach of the contract between Government and PwC, and, if so, is there a cost to such a breach/breaking of the contract? If this is the case, what is the cost to Government?
5) Will the Government be making available the full cost (plane tickets, transportation, accommodation) of the Government’s recent attendance of the Infrastructure Summit in Miami? And if not, why not?
6) Can we have an update on the implementation of PATI?
The practice of Transparency and Collaboration by the OBAubp this report should be revealed with out much fan fare or problem.
Speaking in the House of Assembly today, Minister Richards said, “I did some checking and the Opposition leader, in his capacity as a former Minister under the previous government, actually attended the last KPMG summit which was held September 22nd to September 23rd of 2011.
“There was no summit held in 2012 due to a number of elections occurring in the various islands, including our own, that would have normally attended that year.
KPMG confirmed that Mr Bean did attend a KPMG Infrastructure seminar held in Florida in January 2012.
What a Dufus the Minister is
Isn’t the dufus the PLP leader? He complained about the present government attending a conference that he personally attended several times; he ‘justified’ his attendance by referencing a $0.5m contract that didn’t happen; and he thinks he’s outwitted the Minister by admitting he attended previous conference twice within a few months.
So again, if it’s a ‘waste of money’ when the current government attends, why was it any different the two times the previous government did it? Or won’t the dufus answer that?
Where does it say that Marc Bean attended several times. The article does show that the PLP attended in 2011 and 2012 with Mr. Bean attending the 2012 event. Even if he went twice, ‘several’ is a big leap. Its a waste of money because there was already a plan in place and partially paid for, now they have spent more money on the same trip and will spend more on a similar plan.
So the new government, who is now running the place, isn’t supposed to get up to speed and get educated on the subject? They’re supposed to rely on the “expertise” of the people who lost the election?
The Minister was correct! There was no SUMMIT in 2012!
Mr Bean attended the KPMG “Summit” in 2011 he did not attend the KPMG “Summit” in 2012. He did however, attend the KPMG “seminar” in 2012.
Accusation
Speaking in the House of Assembly today, Minister Richards said, “I did some checking and the Opposition leader, in his capacity as a former Minister under the previous government, actually attended the last KPMG summit which was held September 22nd to September 23rd of 2011.
“There was no summit held in 2012 due to a number of elections occurring in the various islands, including our own, that would have normally attended that year.
Fact Check
The Opposition Leader also said in contrast to Minister Richards statement saying he last attended the Summit in 2011, he actually did attend a summit in 2012. He also pointed out that he was not the Environment Minister in September 2011, when the Summit was held, having been appointed in November 2011.
Conclusion
Minister did not do his research before flapping his ___________
Fact check.
A summit is not a seminar. Marc Bean did not attend a ‘summit” in 2012. If you are going to split hairs, please pick the correct hair to split.
Why post the same thing twice?
And why not mention the inaccuracies the Opposition Leader made?
Have to remember folks. Chris Famous is one of the Cheer Captains for the PLPbiu.
Ask him whether Minister Richards warned the PLPbiu that there was a financial storm brewing way back in 2006-2007.
Ask him whether or not Mr. Richardson (the former Accountant General under the PLPbiu), realised that if the PLPbiu kept on the same course that by 2016, the government would be in deep do-do,as he warned us seven months after Minister Richards warned us back in February (yet Mr. Richardson was on the PLP Propaganda radio station telling us that Minister Richards was WRONG AND BEING “DISINGENUOUS” for the majority of March. My how things change in a matter of months!
Read the update Mr. Famous, THERE WAS NO SUMMIT IN 2012!
Well said Mr. Famous. The OBAubp diehards do not like the truth. It is funny they will dismiss anything that the OBAubp do, but cry foul on everything the PLP did or do. REALLY
More projection from B. Trump, hypocritically accusing others of their own behaviour.
Par for the course.
No comment on the 500K inaccuracy, no comment on the update, just another hit-and-run attempt at smear.
It’s just plain nasty.
More projection from Mike Hinds, hypocritically accusing others of their own behaviour.
Par for the course.
No comment on the 500K inaccuracy, no comment on the update, just another hit-and-run attempt at smear.
It’s just plain nasty.
And it gets worst daily, as Mike Hind attempts to answer each comment on Bernews. REALLY
Look at the man in the mirror..you might see the real person
Says the person replying to every post I make… by copying and pasting my posts and bizarrely trying to pin them on me…
Yeah. You’re making a tonne of sense now.
So it turns out, Chris Famous, that the Minister did in fact do his research, and it was Bean who got pretty much all his facts wrong. he apparently didn’t know the difference between a Summit and a Seminar. Perhaps he was too busy taking in the sights and shopping to pay close attention to the meetings he was supposed to be attending.
But as usual Chris Famous is nowhere to be seen. He lost the argument today, again, but he will not reappear.
Coward.
Oh the irony to see this story on Bernews immediately after a story entitled “Lord Make me Laugh”.
Mike Hind has way too much time on his hands.
And here’s the ad hominem, attacking me and ignoring what I said.
Par for the course.
An ounce of integrity. Try it.
@Nuffin but da Truth …….Very well said, but yet they are attacking B.Trump for speaking out on issues, particularly if Trumps speaks the FACTS, and OBAUbp do not look so great. OBAubp diehards and followers are upset with Trumps, and attempted to attack trumps. What is funny they are blind to their own supporters comments and statements, regardless if they are Factual or Fictional.
Trumps think that blindness is killing them. But the Trumps will continue to speak out, regardless. Trumps do have some OBAubp friends whom love the Trumps. It was the OBAubp fans whom told the Trumps about this attack on the trumps. One day some love will come from the other OBAubp followers. But if not it will not matter to the trumps.
When have “Trumps” actually spoke out on issues?
“Trumps” only attack attack attack, then run away when their mistruths and misdirections are pointed out.
“Trumps” do nothing but obfuscate and lie.
“Trumps” will do and say anything to smear anyone who doesn’t blindly follow the PLP.
“Trumps” are bad for our country.
When have “Mike Hinds” actually spoke out on issues?
“The Mike Hinds or OBAubp folks” only attack attack attack, then run away when their mistruths and misdirections are pointed out.
“Hinds” do nothing but obfuscate and lie.
“Hinds ” will do and say anything to smear anyone who doesn’t blindly follow the OBAubp.
“MIke HInds ” are bad for our country.
If I wanted to hear my words again, I would have just read them again. Nothing you’re claiming here in your pathetic rewrite is even remotely true, including your usual false “If you don’t agree with me, you’re OBAubp” attack.
Pathetic. Try some integrity.
@Mike Hinds……this is what your parrot sounds like each day, and after each persons comments…ahah……
If I wanted to hear my words again, I would have just read them again. Nothing you’re claiming here in your pathetic rewrite is even remotely true, including your usual false “If you don’t agree with me, you’re plp” attack.
Try some integrity Mike Hinds, your re-writes on everyone’s comment is pathetic at best and a weak response to the issues….ahahahah
You’re ridiculous. Completely ridiculous.
And it’s Hind. Show an ounce of respect. Come on.
At least PRETEND to be a decent human being. It’s not hard.
Mike Hinds, You’re ridiculous. Completely ridiculous. Getting more ridiculous by the each minute….keep it up,…. a grown man acting like a teenager…>REALLY
And it’s Hind with a real axe to grind…. Show an ounce of respect. Come on.
At least PRETEND to be a decent human being. It’s not hard.
Look at the man in the Mirror, do some self-reflecting it might help to heal your wounded soul and gain you some self respect.
Sad. Just sad.
It’s a shame that you care so little for this country that THIS is what you waste your time doing.
Does the truth, honesty and integrity threaten you that much?
If you’re going to make accusations, why not make ones based on, like, reality?
Surely, there’s something that you can call me on. Why not go with something I’ve ACTUALLY done, if you can find something, rather than making stuff up or regurgitating my words back at me?
Wow Betty Trump in all her, him, them guises has regressed to a preschool level of discussion…..and that is being generous.
Sad. Just sad.
It’s a shame that you care so little for this country that THIS is what you waste your time doing.
Does the truth, honesty and integrity threaten you that much?
Mike Hinds, Shameful, just shameful that you continue to have a need to have the last say, as if your words are GOD. REally, Mike Hinds what would be best is if you’re going to make accusations, why not make ones based on, like, reality?
Surely, there’s something that you can call me on. Why not go with something I’ve ACTUALLY done, if you can find something, rather than making stuff up or regurgitating my words back at me?
Mike Hinds you continue to make things up, and attack folks that write comments that do not align up with what you think they should do.
NO HMMMMM, I am giving Mike Hinds a taste of his own medication and hopefully he will reflect on his own behaviors, only if he is willing to take a good look at the man in the mirror.
I listened to the House and Minister Richards was clearly erroneous in his allegations. Opp Leader Bean pointed out the errors.
Yes. He was. He absolutely was.
Wellll… in the one allegation.
I’m wondering why you guys seem to be ignoring the other one.
Mr Hind did you ever wonder why Mr. Richards was speaking on the subject at all? Wasn’t the Premier there and therefore able to respond to his opposite’s comments? Doesnt the Premier have people to help him with his communication strategy? Isn’t what Mr. Richards said different from what Mr. Fahy said in the senate?
*sigh*
And here’s the “The Premier is a puppet” trope, completely ignoring the points and distracting from the topic to attack the Premier.
So predictable.
And STILL nothing from you guys on the other point about the $500,000…
Interesting.
I never said the Premier was a puppet but was alluding to the fact that as the leader of the delegation and of the country I would have expected him to address any concerns about this trip, but apparently you are unable to analyse an issue on its merits as you seem to take all critical comments as support for the opposition which is not the case!
Uh huh…
Yet another ad hominem… and yet another avoidance of the other point.
You’re trying hard!
@Amazed you are free to support what ever issue you deem you want. Do not let anyone push you in another direction. FACTS are FACTS. Even if they do not favour one party or another. The reality is the OBAubp messed-up on this one. NO one can not cover this up, even if they are a diehard faithful blinded follower of the oBAubp. A reading of the Hansard report will also provide FACTS.
When have you had ANYTHING to do with facts?
So you are focusing on the “possible” incorrect number VERSUS the bold face LIES spoken by Minister Richards?
Question is:
Why?
Q
Care to retract the “bold face lies” comment, given the update?
Or are you going to do the hit-and-run thing you usually do, leaving up the misinformation.
(And, in case you missed it, I addressed the “bold faced lies”.
Question is: Why did you ignore that fact?
And why are you STILL ignoring the other point?)
Yes I too and others were listening together and Minister Richards was clearly erroneous in his allegations. Opp Leader Bean pointed out the errors.
Seems to be an error on the part of the OBAubp Minister, maybe his arrogance got in the way of his professionism. Just saying….
You post this, even after it’s been shown he was right?
Pathetic.
Mike Hinds often post things even after he has been shown he was wrong. Pathetic. The fact he needs to respond to every comment further indicates just how pathetic and lost he truly is.
When? Show ONE example of this, or retract it as a lie.
No evidence? I await your retraction and apology.
I DO note that you’ve gone on to troll some more, rewriting my posts in a feeble and sad attempt to paint me in a bad light.
Just shows exactly who you are as a person.
I don’t care if anyone attended any summit or seminar, you’re all splitting hairs and chasing your own tails. Name calling for no reason. And if the summit or seminar was the same thing, as Mr. Bean is suggesting by saying he went to both, why did he need to go 4-5 months apart from each event? And also take a bunch of civil servants too?
But the REAL STORY is that we haven’t paid 500k for a report. How can you ppl not see that?
No the REAL STORY is that 58K was paid for the first phase of the report. The public should see it to determine why the OBA stalled the completion of it. The public should see why PHC outbid the other bidders (in whom KPMG participated) adn then they werent allowed to finish the work. We know PLP did some stupid stuff, but this sounds like a projects that actually made sense!
Nitpicking at it’s best and we wonder why nothing ever get’s done. One step forward two steps backward. It makes sense for a New Government to attend the summit as they were not the Government when it was attended before. It may help for key people in management now to know what the hell is going on, are they supposed to blindly trust that Bean did a good job when he attended in the first place?
Another point, the PLP are on a slippery slope if they want to pick at straws regarding travel/personal expense and heaven forbid we open up the can of worms on cost overruns for Capital projects. Combined I am sure the amount would more than pay the annual interest on our nations debt for the next year or two.
My gracious you Oba bloggers are no different to your Ministers. Bernews, why don’t you print the Ministers full statement, and also Marc beans questions and the Minister Richards responses. It was so bad on the Ministers part that the speaker had to shut the discussion down. Fact…Richards admits that his PS did not write he statement, which explained why Richards statements on Bean’s attendance was false, which he had to apologize for. Fact…….bean was not a minister until nov 2011 , and attended the kpmg meeting ONCE, in January 2012.
Fact, Bean reallocated 500k from his budget earmarked for the Shore side facility(offshore fishing) to fund the RFP bid. PWC won the bid worth 400,0000.
Fact, the OBA, after denying all week/year of the existence of of an Infrastructure strategy plan now admit that they did receive phase 1 of the plan, BUT decided not to have PWC finish phase 2, for reasons the minister could not provide. Asked when the phase 1 will be made public, the Minister said it will not be made public.
In fact Bernews, if you provide the entire exchange, it will not leave room for these Oba bloggers to confuse the issue and make it appear that the Opposition leader in any way “sparred” with Richards. Richards was exposed for his lies and language insinuating that PWC is not a reputable institution, and Bean was misleading the public. What is worse is that Richards and the OBA, in an attempt to attack the Opposition leader, accusing him as telling lies, ended providing a statement that was, well, full of lies! Like I said Bernews, provide the info so that people can see for themselves the deception the OBA really is. Btw, Bean gave Richards a 2nd round knockout!
Thanks again @Concerned Citizen…. again, for writing such a brilliant comment. I am glad for your words. Thanks for bringing truth to the conversation. Thanks Thanks. Well put !!
Any evidence to back this up?
Thank you, Mr. Speaker
Mr. Speaker
I rise today to update this Honourable House and the people of Bermuda, on the National Infrastructure Plan and to provide clarity in light of recent misleading statements made by the former Minister of Environment, Planning and Infrastructure Strategy and current Opposition Leader, the Hon. Mark Bean.
MR. SPEAKER
Firstly, I’d like to refer to the Monday, September 23rd 2013 edition of the Royal Gazette, where the Opposition Leader expresses his thoughts regarding the Premier, Government Ministers and Public Officers attending the recent KPMG Island Infrastructure Summit in Miami, Florida.
MR. SPEAKER,
The following quote was attributed to the Opposition Leader in that Royal Gazette article. It says:
“As Minister, I attended the summit in 2012 and as a result issued a Request For Proposal for the development of a comprehensive infrastructure strategy for the use of future Bermuda Governments. Multiple bids were received and PWC was selected as the successful bid. In the fourth quarter of 2012, PWC was paid approximately $500,000 to produce the infrastructure strategy.
MR SPEAKER,
I did some checking and the Opposition leader, in his capacity as a former Minister under the previous government, actually attended the last KPMG summit which was held September 22nd to September 23rd of 2011. There was no summit held in 2012 due to a number of elections occurring in the various islands, including our own, that would have normally attended that year.
MR. SPEAKER,
There is, however, a much more important clarification that must be pointed out and that is this. PWC, as a result of their successful RFP was given a two phase contract by the former Government consisting of a Phase I Report and a Phase II Report.
The Phase I Report gave a broad overview of the initial considerations for a ‘Vision for Infrastructure in Bermuda’ including strategic drivers which underpin the case for developing the National Infrastructure Plan. The Phase I Report had a contracted price tag of $50,000 and was completed December 21, 2012. To date, the full payment for this Phase I Report is a grand total of $58,181, consisting of $50,000 per the contract, and $8,181 in incidentals.
The purpose of the Phase II Report was to deliver the actual National Infrastructure Plan. This OBA Government has made a decision to not proceed with the Phase II Report at this juncture, and is considering its options with regard to the management of Bermuda’s long term infrastructure.
MR. SPEAKER,
This Phase II Report had a contracted price tag of $340,000. As the Phase II Report is not moving forward at this time, the total dollar amount spent on the National Infrastructure Plan to date is $58,181 which is a far cry from the inaccurate $500,000 figure that was quoted repeatedly by the Opposition leader.
MR. SPEAKER,
The Bermudian public has to be made aware that currently there is no functional National Infrastructure Plan in place. Let us be very clear, this government, The One Bermuda Alliance is diligently in the process of working out the best way forward. We are hard at work at putting together REAL plans, which have REAL potential to help Bermuda get back on track. Not “Pie in the Sky”, feel good words, BUT DETERMINED ACTION.
We contrast this with the misleding information and misquoting of figures that CONTINUES to come our way from a former Government that talked about helping Bermudians and getting Bermuda back to work, while in reality, overseeing the largest mass-exodus of jobs in Bermuda’s history.
MR. SPEAKER,
If we are to truly collaborate and work together, let us all be honest brokers on behalf of the Bermudian people whom we are honoured to serve.
THANK YOU MR. SPEAKER
Facts
MP Bean was not appoint as a minister until November 2012
OBA has only today stated that
“The purpose of the Phase II Report was to deliver the actual National Infrastructure Plan. This OBA Government has made a decision to not proceed with the Phase II Report at this juncture, and is considering its options with regard to the management of Bermuda’s long term infrastructure.”
So really who is stalling this plan?
“MP Bean was not appoint as a minister until November 2012″
Are you sure about that Mr Famous? Less than one month prior to the election?
Bean was appointed in November 2011, not 2012, but CF is correct, that Richards was very boasty, very strong, and very wrong. His entire statement was an attempted cover up riddled with falsehoods. I’ve never heard anything like it in my 60 years on this earth!
Thanks again Mr. Famous for the FACTS. Which is what we always provide.
HA! Now THAT is to laugh! You are amazing how you rewrite reality, “B. Trump”…
Seriously. It would be hilarious if it wasn’t so sad.
What’s REALLY sad is how bad dishonest propaganda merchants like you are for our country.
The ONE thing I was hoping for was that the OBA would be the most scrutinized Government we’ve ever seen, because, after the PLP’s constant outrage at any sort of criticism or critique, OBA supporters (of which I’m not one, though you claim the contrary) would step up and prove themselves better. But your constant dishonest attacks on EVERYTHING they do has killed that idea. EVERY molehill is an insurmountable mountain proving their unworthiness to lead us. Every comment or action is met with some of the nastiest, falsest smear I’ve ever seen. Every tiny thing they do is met with Fox News level dishonesty in response.
This is NOT good for the country. When the vast majority of what you claim is false, how can anyone get on board for the times you’re not wrong?
Mike Hind says:
@MiKE HINDS
HA! Now THAT is to laugh! You are amazing how you rewrite reality, and distort the truth….. “M. HINDS”…
Seriously. It would be hilarious if it wasn’t so sad that you have such a need to write a response to each persons comment on Bernews. Do you own this blog site or what?
What’s REALLY sad is how bad dishonest propaganda merchants like you are for our country. Sad even more that you fail to self-examine your own behavior and reactions to persons. How sad you fail to look in the Mirror at the man whom is doing exactly what he accuses others of doing.
The ONE thing I was hoping for was that the PLP would be the most scrutinized Oppositions we’ve ever seen. After all the OBAupb was calling for TRANSPARENCY, ACCOUNTABILITY< OPENESSNES and INCLUSIVENESS. I am glad we have a STRONG Opposition that is holding them to the wicket to ensure they are actually carrying these things through.
SAD, your not able to look in the Mirror and see your own constant dishonest attacks on EVERYTHING the PLP does or says. Sad you do not want folks to hold the government Accountable, and that you take it as an attack on the government. You do not accept critical evaluation of the current government by anyone, or anything. Moreso you fail to accept their failures, and lack of PLAN or Solutions to move Bermuda forward.
EVERY Opportunity you had you made it appear as if the PLP was not worthy of anything pre-election. You set a bad tone and picture, distasteful nasty attacks on the former government. Every opportunity you took to suggest that the PLP was unworthiness to lead us. Every comment or action was met with some of the nastiest, falsest smear I’ve ever seen. Every tiny thing they did or attempted to do was met with Fox News level dishonesty in response. But still you do not look at the man in the Mirror to see yourself. Sad this self evaluation is overlooked. Now your current actions to response to each comment validates your inappropriate behaviours even more.
This is NOT good for the country. When the vast majority of what you claim is false, how can anyone get on board for the times you’re not wrong?
How can anyone get on board, when folks like you still exist, and treat folks in such a dishonest and nasty manner. You fail to see your own actions, but funny enough quick to point out others. Despite a change of government, there seems to still lack a change in your attitude an behaviors. REALLY !! You call for change from one sector of people, yet fail to seek change from others and yourself.
Look at the Man in the Mirror……it starts there first.
You are quite a piece of work. Nothing in this is based on any sort of truth or facts or reality, it’s just a childish lashing out against someone who doesn’t toe the party line and agree with everything you say. You keep making accusations, yet refuse to back them up. None of the accusations you made in this ridiculous diatribe is true. Not a single one of them.
How can anyone take you seriously when you constantly lie like this?
Seriously.
Mike Hind You are quite a piece of work. Nothing you say on most days is based on any sort of truth or facts or reality, it’s just a childish lashing out against someone who doesn’t toe the party line and agree with everything you say, especially if their political ideology differs from Mike Hind’s. Oh if your not an OBAubp supporter watch out….Mike will attack any comment you make or say. Mike will make accusations, yet refuse to back them up. Most of the accusations Mike Hind makes are ridiculous diatribe to make the OBAubp look good. Seldom is he willing to accept any comments that do not swing in favour of the OBAubp, he been doing this for a long time now.
How can anyone take Mike Hinds seriously when he constantly lies like this? It is sure growing old, and folks are tried of someone whom thinks he owes the Bernews comment sections… OOH folks know the truth about Mike Hinds.
Seriously.
Seriously, get a life old chap.
Completely untrue. All of that.
I find it amazing that Bernews allows trolling like this.
Mike Hinds it is completely true, I find it amazing that Bernews allows you to continue to TROLL on every and each comment that anyone makes on this site. Really, you are calling others trolling. REALLY……what is the world are you doing….. do you have a share in Bernews that you feel such a great need to answer each comment, as if your God and Lord and so RIGHT….REALLY.
Bernews please address Mike Hind and assure him he does not need to answer every comment on Bernews, as if he is monitoring the site for your company. Really. Why is Mike Hinds not able to see his own actions on this site?
Betty, whoever you are, or whatever collection of people you are, you spend your whole time trolling and lying. Wnenever a PLP person says anything, it’s “brilliant”. Whenever someone brings up facts unhelpful to the PLP you ignore it, or say it’s lies. You ignore all attempts at serious discussion. You are a verbal bully. You criticise Mike Hind for responding to you, yet you feel free to troll and respond to everything. On this story alone, the name B Trump has made 18 comments.
I don’t know what purpose you think you serve, Betty. Most rational people think you’re a joke.
@Sandy Bottom, NO need for you to go to bat for an OBAubp diehard like Mike Hinds. After all your one of them too. The truth of the matter is he believes he should answer every comment on Bernews. Not one or two comments, but every comment. This has been going on for sometime now…may be you will overlook it as your a OBAubp supporter and your bias does not allow you to see beyond your nose. His actions are not required on this site or any other.
@Sandy Bottom, whoever Mike Hind is and followers like him often spent a great deal of time trolling and spreading mis-information. This is the first time Betty has respond to Mike Hind. But I do see on other articles he has demonstrated a pattern of behaviours to respond to every and each comment. Are you blind, or do you just want to overlook his negative behaviours? Guess it depends on whom is doing it, that makes such a great difference. REALLY
Whenever a OBAubp person says anything, it’s “brilliant”. Whenever someone brings up facts unhelpful to the OBAubp you ignore it, or say it’s lies. Mike Hinds and some other OBAupb followers ignore all attempts at serious discussion. I guess they are as you say merely verbal bullies. You criticize Betty Trump and other PLP followers for responding to him, yet Mike Hinds is feel free to troll and respond to everything. On this story alone, the name Hind has made 30 comments. Please look at other stories where he has comments more than over 30 times… get real and stop with your bias perception of this matter.
I don’t know what purpose you think Mike Hind serves, Most folks think that Mike Hind is lacking in any rational thinking. . Most rational people think he is joke, as his pattern of behavior is so known to many, all except you of course !!
Betty, you often quote back at other posters, but you insert “OBAubp” where the original post said “PLP”. What purpose does that serve? Is that what passes for intelligent debate in PLP circles? Most of us adults find that kind of thing childish. But whatever, keep playing your silly games.
Hopefully, it will help you and Mike to do some self reflection, and really understand the implications of your comments when the shoe is on the other foot.
No Betty. You’re the troll. You’re the one who repeats arguments back like an eight year old. You do the reflecting.
More outright lies.
How is Bernews allowing this?
ALL of your lies have been proven to be so.
Most of your posts are ridiculously obviously false and transparently trolling, evidenced by your evasions, refusal to answer question and outright cowardly running away from anything that exposes you.
You are sad.
The real Questions is how is Bernews allowing you to answer every comment on this site, as if your the Master of Bernews and controlling what folks have to say. REALLY ….. blind to your own actions….
And he got the FACTS wrong. How about that.
They are both lying and all u are going back and forward attacking each other! What BLIND PLP and OBA supporters u all are!
@ mike hind, check the Hansard online, or listen to any news report except a certain other media (their take on the story is the worst journalism I’ve seen in some time). Honestly mate, the way you deflect is crazy. When you get the facts as ive indicated, will you call Sylvan Richards and the OBA out for lying to the HOA and the people of Bermuda, just to justify a trip to Mismi? Verbal! I’m not Marc Daniels, but I could be Jeff Baron or Nalton Brangman! I think you have a crush on Senator Daniels or you are highly envious of him! either way,you cant walk in his shoes mate.
Those are some shoes I would never want to walk in, and I’m not your mate.
I like how you go on the attack again, accusing me of things I didn’t do. Deflect? When? I’ve said this to you before: Asking for evidence of your claims – ESPECIALLY when you claim that they’re facts! – ISN’T deflection.
What IS deflection is when you refuse to actually SHOW the evidence of your claims and then attack someone for daring to do so.
So… any REAL evidence? “Read the Hansard” isn’t evidence.
Or will I be subject to more false ad hominems instead?
Look at the Man in the Mirror, same behaviours again…talk about change…when you are the leader of such nasty comments and behaviours. READ the HANSARD…it is a recording of exactly what was said in the House of Assembly, EVIDENCE…I THINK SO>>> but you do not really want evidence even if it slapped you in the face…
Another lie from “B. Trump”. It’s getting tiresome.
Mike Hind……Another need for Mike Hind to respond to every comment on Bernews, as if he is the owner of this site. It is getting tiresome, and folks are sick of someone like you whom attempts to only stir up mischief. Taste your own medicine…does not taste so good ahah………….
Amazing. There’s nothing you wouldn’t say to try to push your agenda.
I love how I’m suddenly not supposed to respond to responses to my posts… ESPECIALLY when they’re filled with lies.
Am I supposed to just ignore it when you tell outright lies about me, “B. Trump”?
And another false accusation, saying I’m only attempting to stir up mischief. Asking for evidence when people make claims that I think might not be true is NOT “attempting to stir up mischief”, it’s simply asking for an ounce of honesty and integrity.
Lying through your teeth, saying false and horrible things about people in order to push your political agenda… even though we’re at least four years away from the next election?
That is nothing but stirring up mischief.
To do it behind a pen name is even more sickening and pathetic.
(And the “oh, I’m just doing what you do” thing? Another lie. Try the truth for once in your life…)
Mike re-read what you have written, or stop writing all together if your not able to understand it. Who has written more than enough untruths on this page and else where…. MIKE HINDS….guess now that your have been Exposed your having a hard time accepting it….I understand that is typical for OBAubp supporters. Only willing to call out others, but not themselves…REALLY
Also, while we are at it, how big are Marc Daniels’s POLITICAL shoes? If I had a friend who was opposition leader, I could be a senator, too.
Marc Daniels, a brilliant, knowledgeable, intelligent, young politician, one of those folks that even the seasoned politicians have difficulty debating with… REALLY…he is good or better than best….I am very impressed by him and several others like Burt, Rabain, Scott…what a powerhouse of knowledge and skills….
B Trump: Many people on here are tiresome, but you seem to be tired of Mike Hind simply because he posts here. He has every right to post on here and it would appear that he is going nowhere. Your cut n paste thing is extremely tiresome. You’d better come up with something more interesting or people will start to bypass your posts entirely the way they do with Eva Hodgson’s letters to the editor.
Just because Mike has time on his hands is his business. With all this rain what do expect.
B Trump: You are starting to bore me.
@ My Kind, or whomever you are: Many people on here are tiresome, of Mike Hind simply because he feels such a great need to comment on each and every comment made on Bernews. He has every right to post on here, just as Betty and others do as well. It would also appear that Others are not going nowhere. Mike’s cut n paste thing is extremely tiresome. Mike and you better come up with something more interesting or people will start to bypass your posts entirely the way they do with other comments from diehard OBAupb followers.
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M. Hind is beginning to bore others, as well….strange you would continue to defend his constant attacks on every and each comment made on Bernews, and find that acceptable behaviors. It really reveals the level of bias behaviors by yourself and other in the OBAubp. Only see wrong if others are doing it, but not their own bloggers named or nameless. REALLY !!
Have a great weekend…enjoy this blessing of rain.
@My Kind, if you note, I seldom make any comments on Bernews, I think you will see that Mike Hinds out numbers me by a over a million in terms of comments. I think folks have already grown tired of him a long time ago. That is the talk on the street. I think I have now made my point. lol…ahahaaa..But it is evident as to why you would excuse his actions, and overlook them, but accuse others of doing wrong. …REALLY …I think I have proven my point.
Outnumbers you by “over a million”? Did you have the PLP finance experts help you with that number?
More complete dishonesty from “B. Trump”.
“Why you would excuse his actions”?
If I thought I’d get an honest answer, I’d ask exactly what actions you’re talking about, but your constant dishonesty has shown us that I won’t.
It’s only been recently that I’ve been posting regularly on Bernews, after quite a long hiatus, so your “outnumbers me by over a million” is false and a lie, as is your “I seldom make any comments on Bernews”.
If your point is “B. Trump” is a liar? Yeah. You’ve made it.
B Trump: I guess whatever you are smoking is doing the trick – destroying brain cells.
The number 3 goes right passed St Brendans. I can spot you a ticket.
I guess Mike Hinds must be smoking what your are smoking as well, as he is the biggest Troll on this site, answering each and every Comment, REALLY But it is expected as you continue to defend your OBAubp folks RIGHT OR WRONG…blind followers…no doubt.
@ MIKE …. Quick to call out others, but failing to GUESS IT MIGHT FRIGHTEN YOU> Biggest joker on this site is Mike Hinds. Everyone is aware of that, many over look you, and realize your a diehard OBAupb follower with a mad attempt to crush anyone whom does not wear the OBAubp tie or dress. The number of comments you make are countless, and still you denial it. Blindfaithfulness and OBAubp denial is what you do each day…
In Addition B Trump: The complete waste of time party lost the election last December 17th. They are finished. Please accept this fact. Talk to a professional – or catch the number three bus and get off by National Sports Club – turn right an go up de hill to the big building with MAWI written on it. They’ll talk to you and you can stay a while. They got good pills.
@ MY KIND……In Addition, this continue need for you to defend what Mike is doing, but yet attempt to blast others is really typical behaviours of the oBAubp diehards and followers. REALLY… Can only see what others are doings, but willing to overlook their supporters.. Blindness and Transparency is killing the OBAubp, as they fail to live up to it. I think it is you and Mike whom may need to talk to a professional, as you defend one another blind behaviours and fail to look in the mirror…REALLY….Guess you love to give, but you both have great difficulty accepting it back….OOOH dear…