Howard Dean: “Find Another Vacation Spot”
[Updated + Written by Don Burgess]
Former US presidential candidate Howard Dean urged Americans to “find another vacation spot” after Parliament voted for the Domestic Partnerships Act, which will replace same-sex marriages with a domestic partnership.
Mr Dean, who is also a former six-term Governor of Vermont and former chair of the Democratic National Committee, on Friday tweeted “Progressive Labor Party in Bermuda just eliminated gay marriage. Americans who really are progressive should find another vacation spot.”
The tweet has sparked comments from people who say they will never vacation in Bermuda again, garnering over 650 retweets and more than 1,300 likes as of this writing.
Acnconi16 replied to Governor Dean’s tweet by saying “Bermy is one of my favorite places in the world but my family is definitely going to reconsider our travels in light of this news.”
She included the Bermuda Tourism Authority, the Elbow Beach Resort and the Hamilton Princess in her tweet, which also received three retweets and 22 likes.
Anastasia Barzee tweeted “You. Never Going there again,” while Paul Lake and Quancy Clayborne said they have “crossed Bermuda off their bucket lists.”
Another person replied to Governor Dean’s tweet saying, “Why don’t you ever say anything about Saudi Arabia? I find this omission in your selective outrage very very curious.”
Also, a #BoycottBermuda hashtag has started over the issue.
Phishygirl62 tweeted “What the heck?!?! Bermuda has chosen to go backwards instead of forward into the future? Since Bermuda relies on the tourist trade it is time for people to #BoycottBermuda & not give them your tourist $$ until the laws/rules are equal for all their citizens.
Another Twitter user said “My family will not be returning to Bermuda until the hateful, bigoted, unnecessary anti-LGBT legislation is overturned. We believe everyone should be treated equally. Dignity for all. #BoycottBermuda.”
Foxy G replied to the BTA account saying, “Your beaches are pink, but your politics aren’t. #BoycottBermuda,” and Patrick Schiller tweeted “Well unfortunately there are consequences to people’s actions. Sometimes the only way to get people to wake up from their bigotry is through their wallets, i.e. tourist dollars. #BoycottBermuda.”
Update Sun Dec 17, 9.45am: Governor Dean’s tweet continues to circulate, and has over 1300 retweets and more than 3,000 likes as of this writing.
One reply said “Getting rid of my Bermuda shorts as well,” while another person has tweeted this, “Out of 195 countries only 26 support ssm, Bermuda offers domestic partnerships, we welcome everyone, how can you encourage the punishment of good ppl? What other countries will you ask Americans to boycott? Bermuda is more progressive towards the gay community than most places!”
“That’s rank hypocrisy, Gov. Dean. Voters had rejected same-sex marriage. The new bill gives ‘all the benefits of marriage, but without the name.’ Much like the civil unions Vermont adopted when you were Governor, b/c you said you would veto any bill that used the term marriage,” said one tweet.
“What the heck is wrong with them? Good grief, preventing people who love each other from marrying. No more Bermuda for me,” tweeted another person, while another said, “I won’t go there again, just on principle.”
You reap what you sow, unfortunately.
Howard Dean has the nerve to speak of another country’s human rights yet America is killing its own people left right and center. Even I have been held up at gunpoint by the police, not once but three time… America needs to straighten out it’s own laws with it’s racist rightwing president.
Show me on the bear where the the racist president hurt you? #MAGA #Trump2020
#birds of a feather
Alabama, Mississippi, Louisiana, Ohio, the list of state don’t even recognize other state LGBTQ marriage .America politics soft spot always pick on others not you…#pathetic
Trump about to kill millions through tax plan and … this is it… seriously, the world is monolithic in values that matter for me
Actually they do recognize marriage in all it’s current forms, cause the courts ruled they had to. So that is an incorrect information.
None of this matters one whit to the PLP or the 60%
24-12 all the way ! !
Not one whit……..Self first…..Party second….people last.
Although I do not have a dog in this fight I can not understand why anyone would have a an objection to same sex marriage……
#whogivesaf!@#
You do since you oppose it.
And so it begins
Howard who??????
Now if Oprah said it, Well.
But a no name Govenor.
Yawn
Be careful what you say about Oprah – for a very good reason. If she hears this comment she may publicly announce her own views on this backward step taken by Bermuda. I have no doubt whatever that Oprah would say exactly the same as Howard Dean.
And you completely disagree with Obama too. You’re right there with the old religious rightwingers.
Which proves the point that Kevin Dallas was correct and that our Minister of Tourism doesn’t have a clue.
The Regressive Labour Party has done it again.
No surprise, the Progressive Labour Party is more or less an satellite branch of the American Republican party. They share the same stance on everything except race.
Their stance on race is exactly the same. The colour is the only difference.
Only a racist would write what Onion has written.
They will not let it go.
Just the tip of the iceberg of outrage. I suppose the tourism Minister expects the BTA to make up for the loss or face replacement.
Yup pretty much! Jamahl is just waiting for the BTA to slip up
Seems to me like the BTA is running a marathon, meanwhile the PLP are laying banana peels on the ground
Hey Howard, just stay home where you American human rights trendsetters allow rapists to enjoy parental rights and visitation. Faux outrage.
“Hey Howard, just stay home where you American human rights trendsetters allow rapists to enjoy parental rights and visitation.”
Hey sage, Bermuda allows murderers to walk free. Bigots are in government, and “people like you” will do anything to destroy Bermuda.
Your outrage is faux.
Bermuda doesn’t have McDonalds either. Do we discriminate against American franchise as well?
Bermuda lets murderer rapists out early so they can do it again. You weren’t outraged about that.
Either is Howard Dean.
Is that supposed to be English?
Well America is a big place at least we will still get redneck and gangster tourists.
Maybe they can try the Bahamas, or Cayman, or Jamaica, or Turks, or BVI, or Barbados, or St. Lucia… Oh I forgot, none of these Islands are even close to ever recognizing domestic partnerships, actually some still have the
….cont’ some still have homosexulity as illegal! Bermuda took a step forward, not as far forward as most would like, but if you are visiting anywhere in the Caribbean (well most Islands) be aware that they are ages behind Bermuda.
Bermuda took a step forward a few months ago, now we’ve taken 2 steps back.
Point is we as a country are far ahead of the rest of the islands down south this will not effect tourism
why would we want to be compared to the Islands down south? that’s a low bar. Bda should be a LEADER in equality not some backwater full of of religious bigots.
A step backwards is focusing on these nonsense social issues when we should be thinking about our national debt that the PLP seems to have forgotten about.
Aye . The push for equality can and never should be be considered a nonsensical issue . But you’re quite right in that when what must be done to address the real issue of debt , something that is largely not understood by the masses , is finally addressed those that are fighting the SSM issue tooth and nail are going to wish they had more trivial issues to deal with .
Especially when the government goes directly after their money . And I’m not talking about payroll taxes or duties . It will surely come because they will prove to be totally unable to grow the economy and tax base. Then there will be REAL protestations , but it will be too late .
Wow.
Great job, PLP.
Two Bermuda’s is a real thing after all.
Brilliant
You get what you vote for.
SELECTIVE OUTRAGE INDEEDY
The majority of the people of this world are against same sex marrige. The minority who are for SSM are more vocal and so it seems that they are a majority when they actually are not. Furthermore, I dare him to talk so sharply about any other juristiction in this world that may also be a tourist destination. I dare him!
Big difference. Bermuda granted the rights for SSM….and then took it away..
One judge is certainly not the voice of the population of Bermuda!
Thank you the country never said yes to ssm 1 judge did
the majority cannot decide the rights for a minority, that’s not how it works. The judge gave gay couples the right to marry, because it’s the moral and just thing to do and now the “progressive” labour party is taking it back from them. That’s not ok, regardless of your personal feelings on gay marriage or just lgbt people in general.
So the real issue is that the PLP had the audacity to follow their thoughts which, although popular with the vast majority of Bermuda and the world over, happened to be counter to one Puisne Judge?? Let’s remember that it was an individual who made a judgement that somehow equated to a change in law. People are makkng a mountain out of a molehill when they mention “reversing the law/decision”. It’s not as if the PLP or even the OBA (who were in power at the time) were even responsible for the “law change” in the first place. So stop acting like Bermuda politicians are a bunch of Indian givers. The PLP recognised that Bermuda was at a crucial junction and found a suitable mid-point that preserves an EXTREMELY HIGH level of rights for a section of our community and keeps us MILES ahead of most other “tourist destinations”, especially the Caribbean islands.
lies and misinformation
You need to travel more.
probably can’t….stop list.
where you want him to go thialand?
Howard Dean is a Bully. Needs to stay out of another Country’s business.
Bermuda,I will visit you are a beautiful Country.
” Needs to stay out of another Country’s business.”
Tell that to Tweed/Geneive
The majority of the people of this world are against same sex marrige. The minority who are for SSM are more vocal and so it seems that they are a majority when they actually are not. Furthermore, I dare him to talk so sharply about any other juristiction in this world that may also be a tourist destination that does not condone same sex marriage. I dare him!
The majority of the western world were also pro slavery at one point.
During the time that The majority of the western world was pro slavery, the people of the western world were mainly white.
“During the time that The majority of the western world was pro slavery, the people of the western world were mainly white.”
so, we can deduce from this that since the majority in bermuda are black, that would be the reason for the removal of rights from a segment of the population.
It also shows how spiteful, arrogant, homophobic and racist the majority of Bermudas population is.
So glad you agree with me, and had the balls to bring it up
The majority of people have no patticular objection to ssm. Most people like the idea of equality and ssm is part of that. The main objectors are usually old grumpy bigoted right-wing religious people, who cling to outdated prejudices they grew up with.
You mean like white surpramacy?
You comment on “white” supremacy, I won’t comment on which race most of the right-wing religious bigots are.
“I won’t comment on which race most of the right-wing religious bigots are.”
I will…we all know that the majority population of Bermuda is racist, homophobic, sexist, ageist and arrogant.
Of course. The issue only affects a tiny sliver of the population… but it’s completely life-altering for them. So when you have a tiny minority who care deeply along with a much larger minority who have empathy for their fellow human beings the result is a lot of noise.
Especially when those opposed a) are completely unaffected by it, and b) are evil in their desire to hurt others.
>>>The majority of the people of this world are against same sex marrige.
Proof of this sweeping generalisation please?
Also, spellcheck please.
Well let’s see…. Unless the majority of nations around the world are indifferent, or the topic somehow has not come up, or the ruling governments/authorities of said nations continue to side with the minority view (which you and others have suggested is anti-same-sex marriage), then it stands to reason the majority of people around the world are against same-sex marriage.
Could you name a country out of that list that you would want to move to?
Good, show the PLP and socially conservative people on the island that their narrow-minded hate will make the whole island suffer.
That is really not very charitable!
I agree but it is the only way to get through to them.
“That is really not very charitable!”
neither is preserve marriage, or the plp.
Liberalism is forceful and irrational. Mr. Dean is engaging in ideological colonization.
The haters can say what they want Same sex/gays still will come to Bermuda.
They have been visitig, living and have loved Bermuda before and still will after the dust has settled.
…and you know this, because you’re part of the gay community?
Is Howard the brother of Jimmy Dean ?
Pastor Gary?
The Dean is screaming again…
Why Bermudians are nice People.
Saw this coming
OBA fought hard to put us back on the map with America’s Cup
PLP has just torn it all down
You would LOVE to believe that! When your cowardly party shunned from addressing this issue.. Had to be convinced to take on the Americas Cup, yes the one you so praised them for, they were afraid of their own shadow… (Well I would be too, knowing I lied my way into power with no intention of changing who I was as a party)
” I lied my way into power with no intention of changing who I was as a party)”
You describe the plp perfectly. Bravo!
Oh please, 3K people canceled their flights because they got Barbuda confused with Bermuda. OBA let our infrastructure go to hell…
You lot spend all your tme telling everyone we’re in the Caribbean. That kind of stupidity costs us money and jobs.
With this unnecessary legislation, I think they have underestimated the negative backlash and disapproval that will come not only from the LGBT community but ALL the progressive and modern-thinking people who believe in equal rights for everyone. That includes A LOT OF THE YOUNGER GENERATION.
More negative publicity to follow…
The rest of Bermuda will now suffer due to the ignorant and bigoted ideology of the PLP and it’s sheep minded supporters. Thanks for nothing. The OBA tries to revive tourism and the PLP aims to destroy it. I feel sorry for the BTA. They have been working so hard since the their inception to get Bermuda into the public spotlight in a positive way and the PLP basically come along and slap them all in the face. Disgusting. PLP and it’s supporters should be ashamed of themselves
And who do they think will really suffer ? – Ordinary Bermudians relying on Tourism dollars to live that’s who . Thanks a lot U.S . ‘Lovers ‘ of Bermuda!
“And who do they think will really suffer ? – Ordinary Bermudians relying on Tourism dollars to live that’s who . Thanks a lot U.S . ‘Lovers ‘ of Bermuda!”
You did this to yourselves, no one to blame but you!
Grow up little one, your arrogance is embarrassing.
This is what happens when those narrow minds on the hill allow religion to dictate their decisions.
This is nothing more than a colonial mindset. We don’t like your culture or policies so we’re going to try to force you to be what we want your culture to be.
This is not taking away rights it’s simply a difference of opinion on the philosophy of what marriage is and should be. The effort of the LGBT community and its supporters to brand any and everyone who doesn’t share their view on marriage as being motivated simply by hate or religion or bigotry or intolerance is flawed. Sure, there are some who may hold that view but the overwhelming majority of people i speak to don’t have that view at all. They believe all persons are equal but their view of marriage is that it is used to build society and therefore should be between 1 man and 1 woman. You can disagree all you want but the more you frame that disagreement as purely based on ‘hate’ the more your cause loses credit. It’s clever and has bullied and scared many people to cave.
But it is easily exposed and nothing more than an elite mindset that says ‘we know best and anyone who disagrees is filled with hate’. Nonsense.
If persons can’t respect the culture of the country then they shouldn’t visit anyway. We don’t have to adopt your liberal mindset to be a suitable vacation destination. You should recognize that just because the majority of bermudians hold a different view of what marriage is and should be (that’s ALL that’s really happening here- it’s not a concerted effort to ‘deny rights’ to LGBT!) does not mean we’re backwards. How backwards of you to try to impose your cultural colonialism on us. But of course the ‘social justice’ warriors will continue to exercise their economic privilege to impose their worldview on everyone else. Pure arrogance and ignorance.
Could not have said it better!!!!
Jay-O.
If you allowed Referendums and “What the majority of the People want” to decide laws in the deep south of America. There would still be slavery.
Do you think that the law of the land should REALLY be decided by what ‘the people want’. Or do you think there is a standard of morality and human rights that we should abide by??
We need to move forward and allow inevitable human rights for all Bermudians. Disgusting that we as a country are denying (not only denying have Taken AWAY!) those in the LGBT community in 2017.
Come together Bermuda.
The two are not even remotely comparable. In the Deep South they denied black people were even people. They saw them as property who could be treated however they saw fit. People were raped, tortured, forced to do labor or face death, families were ripped apart, persons were denied their humanity. Attempting to read a book could result in your being lynched.
Please stop making the comparison to what took place then and the fact that persons today believe marriage should be reserved for heterosexual relationships which promotes the traditional family unit. Black people weren’t allowed to exist without facing horrendous treatment, enslavement, and abuses of all kinds. Please remind me how the largely wealthy gay community is being treated in the same way…? They’re not allowed to redefine marriage..? Give me a break. They’re not being denied rights they’re being denied the right to redefining something our culture holds to.
We are ALL equal, but heterosexual relationships are uniquely distinct and marriage celebrates that for the benefit of all. People who hate truth call truth hate.
Precisely right on both posts Jay-O.
I agree.
Jay-O you hit the nail right on the head
“They believe all persons are equal but their view of marriage is that it is used to build society and therefore should be between 1 man and 1 woman.”
Then how do you explain bermudas over population of unwed mothers?
I explain that as a failure of society to value and promote the benefits of a man and a woman committing to each other in marriage. When we have strong traditional marriages, we have strong families and a better society overall. As we’ve seen the traditional family unit break down, society has broken down. No fault of gays, to be sure. That’s on heterosexuals. But denying the benefits of traditional marriage and making marriage about whatever we want it to be is not going to help.
Jay-O, how does gay people marrying hinder the promotion of marriage overall?
Seems like a greater focus needs to be on fostering relationships, period, particularly in the case where children are involved. We live in a time where people are consciously foregoing getting married, for various reasons. There are several married couples on this island worthy of admiration and serving as inspiration to others. Perhaps society would improve if people worried more about their own relationships and how to improve them.
How? It tells the lie that marriage is merely about the desires of adults and represents nothing more than that.
“How? It tells the lie that marriage is merely about the desires of adults and represents nothing more than that.”
traditional marriage is about the transfer of property.
Your wife is chattel, an object ‘given’ to you by her father. she even throws away her identity and takes your last name.
traditional marriage is akin to slavery….and you all support it. LMFAO
So in your opinion a gay couple getting married is done for different reasons than a man and a woman?
Why do you think the average man and woman would choose to marry? and why do you think the average gay couple would marry? Trying to understand where you’re coming from here, as the term “desires of adults” is quite vague here.
“I explain that as a failure of society to value and promote the benefits”
You don’t get to blame all of society for the failures of a segment of it.
I’m ashamed that people like yourself are Bermudian.
What you should be ashamed about is that you deem persons who don’t agree with you in such a negative light.
“What you should be ashamed about is that you deem persons who don’t agree with you in such a negative light.”
What more shameful than a government who legislates away the rights of a segment of the population?
Bermuda should be ashamed.
We need the like button back
Fully agreed lol. Not sure why it was removed.
Because of robots and people abusing the system.
I can’t…being gay isn’t a choice and to deny gay people their right to marry who they want is discrimination and inherently hateful, regardless of the reason why you want to deny them that right. Marriage has legal implications and privileges, it’s a recognized human right, too. Don’t be dense.
I thought it had been determined already that marriage itself is not a human right…. But in any case, the rights and privileges that come along with that title or distinction cannot be argued against. And it is these rights that have been preserved, no? So sensitivities and proclivities aside, what is the real objective of the LGBTQ community? To be called a certain thing, or to receive certain treatment? If it’s the latter, I need someone to point out to me how this new bill of domestic partnership doesn’t achieve it.
Rights and privileges given under the marriage act are what is wanted, we want to be treated the same under the law as you. There are rights and privileges that will be denied to us by the partnerships, the minster has admitted.
“To be called a certain thing, or to receive certain treatment? If it’s the latter, I need someone to point out to me how this new bill of domestic partnership doesn’t achieve it.”
Antlee-
Homer Plessy and Oliver Brown can, conceptually, explain how it doesn’t.
EW
You are absolutely spot on.
Howard Dean is entitled to his opinion…….I think that Bermuda is a beautiful holiday destination and I will continue to visit when I can. Typical US politician approach “Boycott”…….
Suggest that he and other like minded people learn to respect other people’s opinions.
Also Sugfest
that Dean and his cronies expend their energies addressing the socioeconomic and racial issues that prevail in US society.
I find those who are on this PLP’s fault crap as disingenous as they come…. When your OBA was stuck in the mud on this issue, at least they (PLP) had the testicular fortitude to make an attempt and were not cowardly about the issue..
Not on this topic in particular.
But just in general. The Current governments smugness and arrogance just seems off. I was hopeful when they were elected in July. But I see bad things brewing behind the scenes for Bermuda.
I do understand why the bill passed Wednesday. The optics of it are horrible as SSM was ALREADY legal here! BUT I agree we are not in the dark ages as many news outlets and bloggers claim us to be.
Just unfortunate as SSM will be legal here in the next 3-5 years. Seems silly to move backward.
Lots of Ego’s in this current Gumment
Nah. Your lot have screwed up. We told you, you ignored us, and now you get what you get. More unemployment, probably.
Bad screwup. Amateur.
Get real Suzie.
You read what you write and comprehend?
RIP Bermy.
At least I can say stuff like thx you officer and don’t have to worry about being shot by a cop, I’d take that human right over ssm any day!
What the PLP fail to realise is that minorities need to be protected. This issue should never have been a conscience vote its enough people in Bermuda that already think LBGT persons need equal respect. Bermuda failed their brothers, sisters, aunts, uncles, cousins etc. Who cares what the rest of the world thinks. Elephants run off cliffs following a herd. Our Premier brags about transparency and how Bermuda is an example to the world from a financial perspective but cant seem to take a leadership role when it comes to respect for LBGT persons. So marriage hasn’t been declared a right (yet) by the HRC, so what. A significant number of Bermudians think it is a right and other countries who “respect” their citizens think it is a right as well. It’s past time to stand up to bullies who claim privelidge for whatever reason. Everyone needs respect and dignity and deserve the right for “equal” respect. I applaud the granting of rights to SSM couples. However this was completely unnecessary had the PLP not removed rights previously granted. It was the least they could do. In closing this government continues to drive nails in it’s own coffin.
AME church owns the PLP
Faux outrage by a small number of people. Yawn.
I love that people have the power of choice in this world today.
If you choose to be gay that’s your choice!
If you do not wish to visit Bermuda because we only allow same sex civil unions then that’s your choice! Please by all means find another vacation destination!
You idiot, people do not “choose” to be gay. Do you really think a person would choose a lifestyle that draws ridicule and bigotry?
Actually check the science. Nobody is born gay.
I agree with your posts above but thats some truly dumb #%$# if you believe people aren’t born gay bra…
And you’re severely misinformed. There is not a single scientific study that has uncovered or proven there’s a gay gene. Read the studies of identical twins, for example. How is it we can have 1 of the twins who is gay and the other who is not? There are CLEARLY and WITHOUT A DOUBT social factors that influence a person becoming gay. To suggest otherwise is, frankly, ridiculous and saying so proves you have no idea what you’re talking about.
The problem is, people in the LGBT community with an agenda continue to parrot that same lie that people are ‘born gay’. I guess it’s true what they say, that if you tell a lie often enough, it becomes the ‘truth’ to some. Just because you want something to be true, doesn’t make it true. What you think has no bearing on reality and science.
Clearly you and many others have fallen for that trick of theirs. There isn’t a shred of evidence proving people are simply born gay. None whatsoever. It’s utter nonsense and anyone with an unbiased and educated view on this KNOWS that societal factors play a role and nobody is truly ‘born gay’ as the LGBT community likes to make everything believe.
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sciencetech/article-5155691/Controversial-study-links-DNA-gay.html
There are clearly social factors which influence it, but they are not the sole determinants, and it is definitely not a conscious choice that people make.
Where can we find your so called proof of this twin test? Since you want to push the “not born gay” line that people try and push.
And as a gay male, I was born this way cause I sure as hell wouldn’t choose it.
People are born gay cause who would choose to be made into a second class human? who would choose something that at one point could have got them murder? what you talk about is bull.
The only example of a choice in your post is that of choosing to come to Bermuda or not .
Let’s assume that you are heterosexual , ok ? Please give us the date and your age when you ‘chose’ to be that way.
If you can answer with a number you’ll be the 1st person to ever do so.
Waiting on you now.
Look. It’s all noise. Nobody cares if you don’t wanna vacation here. Boy bye!!
this is exactly the mind that will ensure the total economic collapse of Bermuda
Former US presidential candidate Howard Dean
that did not get elected that should tell you something
Well looking at their current President,who cares what he thinks.
Hillary did not get elected either. What position do you think Obama and Hillary would have on this?
We are circling the drain. What were they thinking? What’s next?
Bermuda is a Leader in this case and I hope other countries Step Up and put an end to this Crime Against Humanity
Heterophobia must END
Well Done Bermuda!!!!!
1 Howard Dean is a clown
2 which island to the south of us is actually further ahead than Bermuda on this issue?
I am also waiting for Howard to condemn those far east countries that he may get political funds from.
You know the ones they still lock up and kill homes.
you’re a clown, a bigoted clown
just don’t care about you loudmouthed lbgtabc ppl.
we can tell by how you are willing to take rights away from us.
This damage is like owning a first class restaurant and a customer finding a rat in the food,the news will slowly spread and your reputation is shot
Dean obviously has a very small following so don’t worry about cancellations. People will travel when and where they want to and those who will never come back to Bermuda probably were not coming back anyway. Dean should focus on his own backyard and leave other countries alone.
Now that’s progressive thinking
Dean is using bully tactics and he finds lots of support among this crowd.
you guys cant be serious marriage is defined as between man and woman they still get legal protection under a new name that is defined as between any sex. Im not going to call a cat a dog because it can bark lol FOH
and ask Howard Dean why he would rather have Clinton run for the presidency in 2016 opting not to run..
No same sex bands at all.
talking about Bermuda is going backward he just let an idiot take the reins of the most powerful country in the world.. worry about America Howard serz handle the neo nazi’s, the new alt right, the out right KKK, the police executing ppl on a daily, how about toddlers shoot one person every week in the U.S what about having the most people incarcerated in the world.. how bout why are they 90% male.. what about ur bogus war on drugs, mass incarceration of blacks, privatized prisons.. oh u really dont want me to continue
The only thing that is important in this world is to allow SSM, nothing else matters.
Says the person who can take any article and turn it into a legalize herb topic , no matter how unrelated.
I can tell your doctor hasn’t given you any yet.
As soon as I can get him to stop laughing at the stuff you post he might be able to let me know what my chances are.
There should be no same sex wedding bands at all.
Same sex weddings shouldn’t be allowed to have bands? They have to use DJs?
About same sex marriage, I say what ever, but Mr. Dean please,what’s going on in the States right now with your new President, you should not talk about Bermuda.
At Vsmtih: I agree with you. There is a lot bigger stuff going on in the US, that he should be speaking out about. Stay in your lane Dr. Dean.
“About same sex marriage, I say what ever, but Mr. Dean please,what’s going on in the States right now with your new President, you should not talk about Bermuda.”
typical, bermudian arrogance.
To Concern_bda
Choose to be gay? Very funny
I agree with the majority of Bermudians that one judge does not speak for us all. SSM is a choice not a right and should not have been made law in the first place. The agenda of a few does not outweigh the wishes of the masses. Those outside Bermuda who want us to follow their lead do not have to live here and as our society is one where marriage (between a man and a woman) is valued we have the right to follow our own ideology. God did not intend for a man to be with a man or woman to be with a woman… Adam and Eve.
You are speaking from a position of superiority as if you have decided that what others wish is not acceptable to you so therefore they can’t have it. You should know that society is a melting pot not clones of other people and some people don’t believe in talking snakes and burning bushes and penguins walking 3000 miles to get on a boat in the middle of a desert. They also don’t believe they were born imperfect and to save themselves (even one month old babies) they must spend their lives praising an obviously insecure God. Go figure. Evolution produced LBGT people it’s why homosapiens have survived. You beieve in a 2000 year old book and have the audacity to claim your imaginary God decide what is right or wrong. Read some science books perhaps you will have a better understanding of the evolutionary path that created all animals that have attraction for SS mates. Read Read throw away that old book.
If the world is as you seem to believe, on what basis do you make any moral judgment regarding any matter at all? You have no right to be morally indignant about anything if we truly live in a purposeless, unguided, ungoverned universe that got her by accident. We’re all ancestors of fish and evolved from pond scum which magically got here, uncaused.
So what’s your beef? So what to anything you say or do? Actually, if your brain is just a bunch of chemicals fizzing and firing off, why on earth should we trust anything that comes from your brain? How can you trust it if it’s simply the result of random evolution?
What’s funny is that you boldly condemn Christianity (while being biblically illiterate, i should add) while holding to the most ridiculous and unscientific fairy tales yourself. Everything came from nothing. Do you have any concept of how mathematically impossible evolution is?
You’ve fallen for the greatest lie ever told. Actually, no- i’ll Take that back. You KNOW god exists. You simply deny His existence because you don’t want to be accountable to HIm. You prefer your sin over truth. I know- i lived that way too. But i pray you truly seek out truth and investigate the origins of life to truly see which has the more compelling evidence.
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This is all based on your religious belief which is the issue, why should we be forced to follow some that has brought so much harm and suffering? You are welcome to have your beliefs but you and others like you need to stop trying to force it on those of us who are not reliant on a book to tell us how to live.
First off nobody I know of is trying to force you to follow their religion. But no doubt, there’s a battle of worldviews at stake here. and in light of that reality, you also could be accused of ‘trying to force your religion’ on us. you may not ascribe to any organized religion but that’s still what it is. your ‘religion’ is simply a set of beliefs you have concerning the cause, nature, and purpose of the universe.
and you’re no less influenced by what you believe about the universe (your ‘worldview’) than Christians are.
No such thing as god kenneth. Stop trying to use it as justification. Your faith does not dictate what anyone else is allowed to do. U do know jesus hung out with 12 dudes 24/7 right?
And on what basis do you make moral judgments? Your worldview falls apart very quickly my friend. Please know that.
If there is no objective moral law and therefore a moral law giver (God) then anything and everything is permissible. Morality is just a matter of what the majority says is right or OK. And if that’s the case, you have no basis whatsoever to truly say anything is truly right or wrong.
” God did not intend for a man to be with a man or woman to be with a woman”
there is no god….the belief in a god is for the weak of mind. You need to believe in the unbelievable in order to justify your hatred for things you don’t understand, and have no effect on you.
We call you, ignorant bigots.
Your claim that there is no god would require you to have all knowledge of past, present and future. It’s insanely ridiculous and far exceeds your ability to prove it. Stop talking nonsense.
And what makes you say that? Why would his claim of no god require him to know past, present and future? the person talking nonsense is you.
Follow carefully to see how making the statement: “there is no god” is, essentially, intellectual suicide.
let me give an example to show how ridiculous such a statement is. if I were to say there is no gold in china and never has been, I would have to have knowledge of every single square foot of the entire country. I would have to have searched in every possible hiding place, everywhere, to make that statement reasonable. how else could I make such a bold claim, that there is no gold in china and never has been, unless I had supreme knowledge?
on the other hand, to say there IS gold in china I don’t need to have anything more than a little evidence.
before you accuse me of talking nonsense, try and understand what’s being said here. the statement “there is no god” is incredibly ridiculous and immediately renders the person who utters it as being completely nonsensical.
You know I’ve tried all night trying to goggle Howard Deans position on Americans choosing to vacation in Saudi , Dubai or any other middle eastern country with horrific human rights violations …. Can’t find one …. Not surprised at all .
Yet Americans flock to those dastardly hell holes … I wonder why ? They kill homosexuals in those countries .. But absolutely no outrage from Dean , or Rainbow Alliance for that matter !
Let’s bomb them into submission ! Oh Wait , tried that in Iraq !
‘Goggle’ ? ?
There is major “fallout” originating with Kevin’s letter and it will only get worse. There is enough blame on all sides of this mess and tourism will suffer as a result. Hopefully this mess will pass quickly and not get retweeted and passed on in other ways that will create more negative effects on tourism for months and years.
Thanks, Dean!!
While you are at it, perhaps you should find a new leader for your land.
Glad P.L.P. voted against such nonsense!!
This is typical liberalism. The left claims to be “tolerant”, yet they condemn and silence those who disagree with them. If Bermuda does not want to uphold same-sex marriage, how does this effect Mr. Dean? As a society, we should be upholding what is just and moral, not simply pandering down to demands. If same-sex marriage was legalized it still would not be enough for them. In countries where same-sex marriage has been legalized, transgenderism has been pushed as an actual option to young children, it has become law to refer to transgenders by their preferred pronouns, and same-sex couples have tried to force Christian bakers to bake them wedding cakes! Nothing is ever enough for liberals and LGBT people. Hopefully tradition and conservatism will prevail.
Yeah cause making sure that every body gets treated the same and every one has the same rights and privileges under the law is a terrible thing. People like you are why the Americans have Trump in office.
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For all those who scoff at Howard Dean and others who decry this backward step taken by our Government I have an observation. I wonder how many tourists will come to Bermuda because we have just made SSM illegal after first making it legal. It may be difficult for some folks to understand, but what we are now doing is shooting ourselves in the foot because we are drawing the world’s attention to the fact that we will be seen to be outlawing SSM. Most potential visitors would likely not have been aware whether SSM was legal in Bermuda but now it will attract negative headlines around the world resulting in many people deciding not to visit us because of this turnaround in our equality laws. Does anyone seriously believe for one moment that this change in law will attract MORE visitors?
Who on earth travels to countries for vacation based on whether they allow gay marriage or not? What do you have in your smoking pipe, Howard Dean? Do you live in a Marry Poppins world of make-believe? Get your head out the gutter and shut your trap, your country of America has pedophiles and rapists, whom you help harbor and protect, so just do the earth a favor and shut up.
Gay people! that’s who travel to countries where gay marriage is allowed! in case you’ve forgotten, Bda is a tourist destination and gay couples have substantially more disposable income – to spend in Bda! – than non-gay couples.
This is gonna destroy the tourism economy and Bermuda’s general perception in the world.