Bermudian Lobbies: Same-Sex US Immigration
A Bermudian woman who is married to an American woman was among the lobbyists who descended on Capitol Hill last week to try and persuade US lawmakers to ensure gay and lesbian couples are covered by new immigration legislation.
“Under a 1996 federal law that defines marriage as a union between a man and a woman, Americans cannot apply for green cards for foreign spouses of the same sex,” reports “The New York Times” today [May 1]. “In addition, the immigration code does not recognise same-sex partners.”
“Last Wednesday, about 40 gay and lesbian families from 27 states fanned out across Capitol Hill in a lobbying blitz, hoping to show lawmakers why they cared about the issue,” reports the newspaper.
“Among those knocking on doors in Washington were Ness Madeiros, 35, and her wife, Ginger, 37, who traveled from their home in Minneapolis with their 8-month-old son, Jamie, in tow. ‘He was the most amazing tiny little lobbyist,’ Ness Madeiros said in an interview together with Ginger. ‘He did not cry for 10 hours, and we cried in every meeting.’
Bermudian Ness Madeiros, wife Ginger and son Jamie pictured in “The New York Times” today:
“Ness, an immigrant from Bermuda, said she had lived in the United States on and off for more than a decade, always with legal, but temporary, immigration documents. She said she met Ginger, an American citizen, in 2006 when they were both working at a boarding school in Massachusetts. They were legally married there in 2008,” the report said.
“Without a permanent green card, Ness cannot officially adopt Jamie or share ownership of the house where they live. Her visa is about to expire, the couple said. ‘It’s a pretty scary situation for us’, Ginger said. ‘If something were to happen to me, what is Ness left with’?”
– Photo courtesy of “The New York Times”, click here to read the full story on their website.
i think its disgusting…2 men or 2 women sleeping with the same sex. Now they want to marry and raise kids to be gay and lesbian too, cause its alright to be that way to them. In Sweden, they say their kids dont have a gender, they can decide what they want to be…what nonsense!! One things for sure this world definitely needs to end, maybe not the earth itself but definitely the human race.
You are such a bigoted retard.
I guess you support Incest between two consenting adults too eh “Family” Man?
If not WHY NOT?
Jon,
How about you end yourself and then everyone will follow?
How does this affect you? Are you frightened of catching the gay orientation? Sounds to me like you protest too much, there’s good evidence to suggest that the most homophobic amongst us are those that are full of self loathing about their own orientation. Just come out already, you’ll be much happier.
Jon its people like you who deserve to be publicly —…and i would happily step up and volunteer to do just that! you are an ingnorant @sshole! it would be waste of time trying to educate someone like you.
@ Riss,
I do think he went abit overboard, but because someone disagree’s with your point of view does not make them ignorant. Listen, just because you have accepted the gay lifestyle does not mean everyone has. We still have racist living amongst us, but I don’t see anyone banging down their doors.
I personally don’t have a problem with gay people, but not sure if I want it to be considered the norm at this point in time. I don’t know what the solution is to this issue, but i respect people opinions.
@independent, you are wrong. Hatred is not a “point of view”. It’s a display of ignorance.
If the world is filled with small minded bigots like you then I agree there is no hope for the human race.
You dont have to like it, you dont have to agree with it. Live and let live, same sex couples deserve the same basic rights we all enjoy!!!!
He’s probably the type who goes to church 3 times a week, has fathered 6 children from 6 different women, and lives home wiff his momma.
You went full retard, man. Never go full retard.
Brilliant!!
YES! LOL
I don’t have a problem with anybody being gay or in a homosexual relationship, but I cannot accept homosexuals adopting. Yes, you may be great parents, but a child didn’t ask to grow up in a non-traditional home.
Did a child ask to grow up in a home with no father and a mother who is too busy partying every night to care? Or how about a home where the car is worth $75,000 but the parents are still renting?
No, but that says everything about the irresponsibility of some straight people and nothing about appropriateness of growing up with homosexuals parents. In a perfect world there would be a test to ensure good parenting, but, given the impossibility of this, let’s do everything to avoid adding the confusion.
With all the kids in the world without a mother and a father, you would rather them grow up in an orphanage or on the street homeless than to allow homosexual parents adopt them?
Get the heck out of here. Most straight people want to create their own kids rather than to adopt and only adopt if they’re not able to produce a child themselves.
At least their out there giving these kids a home.
Don’t be so ignorant.
Absolutely agreed!
That’s pretty f&*$%ng ignorant
To deem something “appropriate” or not is simply a point-of-view. What confusion do you think this child will grow up with? There are plenty of parents out there who if they could force their gay child straight, they would. But you would be hard-pressed to find gay parents forcing their straight child to be gay. The only difference I could imagine is a child growing up with gay parents would be less bigoted and more knowledgeable about sexual orientation. I grew up with straight parents and I knew that there were gay couples and straight couples, so what do you think you are “protecting” this child from? Sexual Orientation is not a perversion, it’s not a disease, it is just that, an orientation. No one in this world can tell you what or who you are attracted to and the gay community is no different. Gay people breath, bleed, love and hate just as we all do and I am sick of people disrespecting them simply because of a difference in point-of-view.
A child deserves neither….both violate the basic teachings of Christianity…
wow…just wow
Who cares about the teachings of christianity? That’s one narrow perspective that is not relevant to most humans living on this planet. If it works for you, great; but don’t impose that on others. It’s just wrong.
Relevant if you believe in the bible as i do..sooo let’s just agree to disagree…
The Bible says slaves obey you masters too…Ephesians 6:5
Slaves, obey your earthly masters with respect and fear, and with sincerity of heart, just as you would obey Christ.
I’m glad people started ignoring that mandate.
If it does not affect you or the way you live then don’t voice an opionion. At least this child will be loved. I’m happy to say she is my cousin…..
Easy fix. Don’t let yourself be adopted into a homosexual household. Like anything in life, if you don’t like it then don’t do it. However, that does not preclude others from taking part.
Ride
Of course, that’s laughable because the adopted children have no say whatever.
The straight parents who put them up for adoption do though.
@CBA
There is no basis for your statements on adoption into a homosexual household; other than your own opinion. A loving family environment trumps all else for a child. Racism, sexism, elitism, and all the others are taught to children. They are not inherent in there being.
Ride
OK…you first.
The world needs to end because of b@st@rds like you that can’t accept people as they are.
@QDJSIII
If you believe in what you say, then you will accept his comments and opinion.
Thank you Independent! Someone who finally thinks logically and can see through this emotional diatribe.
I am gay and my parents were straight they beat me and ,I survived and now I live my life with love!
Where are you getting this information from? Where has it been proven/what are the statistics that children raised by same sex couples are gay? Have you not seen the amount of children who have been raised my same sex couples, support their families being STRAIGHT themselves?
Go learn something before you make yourself look like more of a fool.
Jon, you are part of the problem. NOT the solution. It’s people like you who are around promoting discrimination like this that need to go back a few centuries. That kind of hate has NO place in the 21st century and you serve as a great example of how ignorance thrives in Bermuda. You are no better than racists.
Equality. That’s what the world needs. No discrimination. This day and age people should be too educated for all of that, but clearly it still lives on in some ignorant people’s lives, shame.
I think Jon might be gay. There’s no way an educated person could be that discriminatory. He’s hiding his own gayness
Sandgrownan your comment highlights a huge problem we face, the negative stigma associated with being gay.
@ Equality,
You are speaking of a world that does not exist, so please feel free to comment when were are speaking about the world we live in. With bigots, racist, gays, murderers, you name it, we have it.
I fail to see why this is news worthy. Who’s kid apparently one of them hasn’t always been a…….
LOL though it wasn’t a life choice….
It’s newsworthy simply because it attracts people to this website to engage in discussion
I’m working on a few websites of my own. I kind of like this format so I’m borrowing it. A few tweaks of course
Whose kid? The article clearly states that Jamie is THEIR 8-month-old son.
As for who are Jamie’s biological parents, well, the article did not state as such, and clearly that is their own business. The article states, “Ness cannot officially adopt Jamie” …
However, here are some logical POSSIBILITIES, which anyone with a brain could come up with:
-Jamie is Ginger’s biological son, with the help of a good male friend’s donation and a “turkey baster” (easiest route, no medical or professional help needed, her partner can be involved)
-Jamie is Ginger’s biological son, with help from an anonymous sperm donor, from a sperm bank (sperm could be inserted at a doctor’s office, or, again, through the “turkey baster” method with her partner involved)
-Jamie is Ginger’s biological son, with the help of a sperm donor and in vitro fertilization (it’s hard to assume this one, since in vitro is typically only used for women who have trouble conceiving, and there is no information to assume that Ginger has any reproductive issues.)
-Ginger adopted Jamie (less likely, because adoption regulations are quite stringent for single parents, but it is still a possibility).
It’s MOST unlikely that Ginger had sex with a man to conceive Jamie, as the story suggests that she is a lesbian in a serious relationship. BUT, that’s not to say it isn’t a possibility. She could be bisexual. But still, one’s attractions are NOT a choice. Why do you care, anyway?
In any case, however adorable little Jamie came into their lives is their own damn business. My point of this little educational talk was to try to get you to open your mind a little and stop assuming things, such as “she must have been straight before, and then changed her mind”. <– you have NO creativity if that's what you automatically assume.
I would strongly recommend that Jon, and anyone else who is either pro or anti same sex marriage go onto the internet and search for a 4 minute speech recently given in the New Zealand Parliament by MP Maurice Williamson. It can easily be found on youtube.
Here is a rare politician who sums up the whole issue succintly, brilliantly and with a true sense of humour. He hits the nail directly on the head with a huge sledgehammer!
Here is my take on how people who choose this life style are.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FxDJAeABxNU
LOL
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_dANhors2YU
It’s not a choice.
When did you choose the straight lifestyle? Was it a difficult decision? Did you weigh the pros and cons of the “straight lifestyle” versus the “gay lifestyle” before you made your choice? OR… DID YOU JUST KNOW THAT YOU WERE STRAIGHT? Hmmmmm….
Good stuff Jon.Agree with you totally.Feel sorry for the youngster
Yes, you should feel sorry for the youngster. You should feel sorry because people with mentality like you and Jon are around and spreading non-sense.
Would you be here lf you had mommy n mommy n mommy? Poor youngster.
Nope. You’re missing the point. Would gay couples disappear or become straight and have kids if the law doesn’t get passed?
And read the story. The lesbian couple adopted a kid that most likely would be growing up in an orphanage or bad family had he not have this opportunity.
How can you be sure baby jesus would have otherwise grown up in a bad family or orphanage?
Brad Pitt and Angelina Jolie may have adopted him, eh expatriate?
And who can be certain the same-sex household isn’t a bad one? Maybe they’re both alcoholics and child-abusers….eh?
Ok I’ve hammered my point in enough. Have a nice day
Who would give a baby up for adoption? Chances are from a family that can’t take care of it and think it’ll be better for the baby. Or, it can be because both parents are deceased.
Don’t you think they do lengthy checks before the adoption is approved to ensure that the adopted parents will be able to take care of the child?
So now its something wrong with being normal!Jon is right you are all a sick bunch of freaks. All other animals know better. God does not make mistakes you were born a man act like one born a woman then act like one. What next two more years your going to fight for the right to have sex with your dog. But a man can not somke weed something that is natural. F all you freaks the minute someone speaks that truth they are a bigot. You have your opinion a they have thiers
Wait, are you saying animals don’t engage in homosexual behavior? Because they do. Pick up a book once in awhile you big dummy.
Animals also eat their young buddy. Not normal or right for homo sapiens
And some homo sapiens kill their young. Not normal or right. We can do this all day.
Exactly! Homosexuality, killing young, eating spouses after sex is all ANIMALISTIC behaviour! We could do this all day lol.
That is the stupidest thing I have ever heard….coming from you I’m not surprised. I remember your name. You sure do “come out of the closet” when Bernews posts an article about homosexuality. Really gets you fired up huh? You’re quite passionate about it. Downlow brother.
Not seeing your point here.
there isn’t one
Read that in the Bible?
Any educated person knows that homosexual relations are observed across the animal kingdom. Having said that, any educated person could also construct a simple paragraph using elementary grammar skills and vocabulary. The only person to bring up a topic such as bestiality is yourself; I will let others infer from this what they will. Somehow I do not think a homosexual couple, who have endured much persecution and discrimination for their sexual preference, is going to force a sexual lifestyle on a child in their care. I have no hesitation in stating that these lesbian and gay couples are just as capable of raising a child to be an upstanding citizen as any straight couple in Bermuda. In most case they are more capable than their straight counterparts. If you want to smoke weed that is your prerogative. If you want to spend $75,000 on a car and struggle for rent that is also your prerogative. If you want to be in a homosexual relationship that is your prerogative. Evidently your “God” does make mistakes else we would not live in a world filled with corruption, violence, and hatred (unless this society suits your definition of perfection). I am not gay and I will admit that I am not 100% comfortable in the company of gay/lesbian couples or openly homosexual people however, I believe all couples and people have a right to happiness and to live their own lives within the boundaries of the law. As you said we all have our own opinions. Last time I checked gay/lesbian marriage has little to no affect on my life as a straight man, live and let live.
Do you support incest between consenting adults? Yes or no? If not WHY not?
Or Bestiality it’s a sexual orientation too right? What’s next legalization of pediphlia???????
LOL when will this stop.
Bestiality is not a sexual orientation.
Animals and children cannot consent. Your argument (though I’m not certain your comment even counts as an “argument”) is invalid.
@ Judge Dredd … what 2 consenting adults do in privacy is their own damn business. I personally think incest is ICKY but it doesn’t affect ME when a brother and sister or two first cousins want to get all up in each other’s grills. SO – Do I support it? No. Do I care whether they do it or not? NO.
It was a comment really. But I disagree a child can consent just not legally yet. Kinda like the green card issue above as the law does not legally allow, isn’t that what we are talking about eroding the laws to allow something that we did not recognize as acceptable before, let’s be real here my argument is a valid as anyone else here for or against……
LOL
why you getting up set for parent usually can tell when the child knows there are wrong and you are exhibiting the signs of the child with that tantrum.
spelling I tell you: (Parents) (they)
Soooooo… what about intersex people? How should they act?!?!!
They are born with both male and female parts: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Intersex
You say God doesn’t make mistakes? I think those born with missing limbs, or blind, or paralyzed, or allergic to everything under and including the sun, or with both sets of genitals, or dwarves, or with any other disease or affliction, might just disagree with you.
That is the most stupid statement ever! Have you spoken to every blind, paralyzed, intersexed person on the planet? And have they all said that God makes mistakes because look at them? This is the hypocrisy of the homo-facist movement. They talk about tolerance this and that, yet they are the most intolerant people on the planet! I know of people who are in those situations and they love Jesus and thank him everyday for their lives. God’s grace comes through even more that us so-called “regular” people.
My comment was in reference to kat’s comment, “God does not make mistakes you were born a man act like one born a woman then act like one. ”
and to that I say, “What about the intersexed?”
The other examples were just to expand on that point. OF COURSE not every person on the planet will have a negative viewpoint to their own afflictions.
BUT I am sure that for every blind or paralyzed person who loves Jesus and thanks him everyday for their lives, you’ll find another who is depressed and on the verge of suicide… JUST SAYIN.
Have YOU spoken to every blind, paralyzed, intersexed person on the planet? Are they all praising Jesus everyday? NO. Neither one of us can speak for everyone.
BTW How was anything I said intolerant? I merely pointed out that some people may disagree on the “God doesn’t make mistakes” statement.
With the advancment of man made medicines these individuals live back in the day how many would have survived what the natural world use to be………..
LOL
If God does not mistakes can you please account for those chimerics born with two sets of DNA, and sometimes two sets of DNA in one human being that are half male and half female. Why would God do this do you think? Is he having fun? Was he under the influence of something when he helped to create a human being who is half man and half woman? Is he or is he (I’m presuming tha you believe that God is male rather than female!) not responsible for all these genetic mistakes in both human and animals, or do you believe that God visits the sins of all the parents on their sons and daughters just like he is said to create earthquakes, hurricanes and volcanic eruptions to punish sinners who happen to live in the vicinity of the disaster. What a kind and benevolent God!
Thanks Kay for showing why we need the Human Rights Act amend to protect people from people like you who clearly think that anyone who isn’t like you is a “freak”.
Wrong on so many accounts must of the stuff you mention are happening due to human interference. People that want to be different (masters of their own fate that refuse an notion of God’s even possible existence)try to in fact replace God with themselves with all the chemicals we eat, force livestock to eat is responsible for much of the genetic happenings that take place today. Our diet, lifestyle has to do with our freedom of choice which God gave us to see if we would choose God over the world desires and mentality. Not many will be with the father at the end of the day seeing how these people in the story and many others see the earth as the be all and end all. Think about it. I’m not anti-gay or anything but I think like in the Jim Carrey posts they are a bit too much in your face with their choice much like the Christians, Muslims (or any other religion that seeks to convert including atheistic views) they don’t seem to like.
LOL Ironic isn’t it.
Actually I don’t think animals do ‘know any better’ @kat.
Case in point: necrophilic gay duck sex. http://www.ted.com/talks/kees_moeliker_how_a_dead_duck_changed_my_life.html
Many in the animal kingdom are gay. Bonobos (our closer genetic cousins than chimpanzees) frequently have girl on girl and guy on guy action.
I don’t know why everyone wants to define ‘normal’. Why do you care so much that two people, who happen to be of the same sex, want to have a life together?
There are people all over the world being raped, bombed, shot, (still) sold into slavery and you voice your hatred onto two people who only want to live in the same country as each other without having to worry about immigration laws tearing their family apart.
Those defining what ‘normal’ is really need to sort out their priorities.
Just wanted to add: You know nothing Jon (snow)!
Look at all the $%^^$# gettin mad about their gay rights. No respect for gay people. Now commmet on that. Go raise ya gay child n gwan so.
#Warden,
You seem to assume only homosexuals feel that homosexuals should have the same rights as the rest of us. I am heterosexual, however, I feel that discrimination against something for which they have no control is wrong. They don’t wake up and decide to be gay just as I didn’t wake up and decide to be straight, it is just the way I was born. Just as there were caucasians fight for the abolition of slavery (Abraham Lincoln as one prominent example) there are heterosexuals that can see that homosexuals do not enjoy the same rights as the rest of us.
“Injustice anywhere is a threat to justice everywhere.” Martin Luther King Jr.
At least they got married and had a child, and they are two loving parents, unlike some others in society who procreate and have several different children by multiple partners who never marry and are deadbeat parents!
As for gay couple adopting children…well…I’m sure there are plenty of psychological effects on that child being raised in a same-sex household that many of the proponents will disregard. Among other things….
I’m usually pretty neutral on most topics….but this one…hmmm. Tough to see this becoming the norm but who knows, really.
Funny how proponents will assume or label one as homophobic because you don’t support gay marriage or adoption…frankly there is ignorance on both sides of the fence.. After all there are several reasons not to support this legislation.
Any negative psychological effects the child endures in a same-sex household would only be perpetuated by societies views on what a family should be.
Ok allow me to take a stand on this topic.
@ Sorry Sir – As it stands societies view is the norm and rightfully so. A child should be raised with a mother and father. Where a father or mother become devoid of such responsibility I would still prefer a single parent household over same-sex one raising a child. More importantly that is the way nature intended.
@ The rest of you homo sapiens – There is an important balance at stake here. The human species has hormonal and genetic effects compounded by our environment and social context leading to sexual orientation. A young boy and girl should have the guidance of both mother and father in order to achieve a balance of traits and characteristics. Every living species was designed to procreate. Until humans become asexual as many organisms are capable of, proponents of gay marriage and same-sex child rearing should realize some traditions, societal norms are better preserved than not.
THAT IS ALL.
Societies views are not the norm. They are ever evolving. An infinite. What we prefer sometimes is not always obtainable.
You want to go on about what “Nature intended”?
How about that electricity you’re enjoying?
That air conditioner. That internet. That computer. That office.
Go live in a hut somewhere and feed off the land if you want to talk about “What nature intended”. Everything about our lives is not natural. Even the very food you eat has been processed and jam packed with preservatives and chemicals. Stuck in a freezer. Defrosted in your microwave. Put on a stove.
The medicine you take when you catch a cold.
Is all of that natural? How society lives everyday is natural??
Many homosexual couples have raised children and they do not turn out homosexuals. They may get teased in school, but what kid doesn’t?
Society is far from ideal or natural. At least somebody is adopting these kids. Are you willing to adopt a child? Would you do it?
People who support homosexuality also support incest.
Try and stay on topic..
You’ve gone astray Sorry sir. Retrace your steps and try and understand the context in which I’ve used, “nature intended”.
I’m not disagreeing that society has and will continuously change and evolve; however, there should be distinction between natural versus unnatural change and evolution taking place. Clearly much of what you’re referring to above and that which relates to the topic at hand describes the latter. Of course we’re discussing same-sex adoption not the processed food you assume I eat or computers and medicine.
Still haven’t answered my question.
Would you adopt children? Or would you rather create your own?
There are people stright ie some women that can’t have kids and some men. Why would they not adopt?
LOL
One of my earlier posts touched on this. Go read it.
@Sorry sir
Frankly I would be open to both options.
there is a place for all of them to enjoy each other and it is called hell when my people turn from their wicket ways i will heal their land.
“turn from their wicket ways”?
Bie vatchu sayin’ bout cricket?!
Lol
Anyone who thinks ‘being gay’ is a choice – should try it sometime and see for themselves.
You will immediately realize that it is no more a choice than being straight is a choice.
Are murdering/stealing/lying choices. Nastines Just say no
shouldn’t be allowed to adopt..jus freaks dem! b%$ out
@Jon, you really need to open up that small, closed mind of yours. Who are you to look down on or judge people for who they love or want to be with? People like you will turn a blind eye to adulterers, fornicators, murderers, thieves and all sort of creeps; yet spew your hatred on people who don’t bother a soul. My best friend also lives in the US, married her same sex partner and they recently adopted a 4 year old boy. This is a child that spent his early years with a mother who shuffled him between multiple relatives. His early years were spent with an alcoholic, abusive mother who couldn’t take care of herself, much less EIGHT fatherless children. Early years of confusion, terror, an empty stomach and no-one to take proper care of him. So, Jon, is he better off now with two same sex parents that love him and shower him with so much affection it brings tears to your eyes? Or was he better off with his biological mother and one of her many opposite sex partners because that is the societal norm?
Two bad households. From the frying pan to the fire. Poor youngsters.
@40 Acres no Mule, how so? You’re saying going from a single, alcoholic mother with kids by various different men, no food in the house, getting evicted every five minutes and having to place the kids all over the place to a stable home with two professional parents (who just happen to both be female) a huge house with a backyard, toys, food, clothing and lots of love is going from the frying pan to the fire? There is something seriously wrong with you! The child is happy and loved. There is no reason on this planet to feel sorry for this “poor youngster.”
@ Checkmate..couldn”t agree with you more.
That type of behaviour you are referring to is considered
‘normal’ in Bermuda!! LOL
So many single parents, no finances, no education, no love, no discipline, no goals and no future!
And yet they have the nerve to outracize a child reared by two loving parents of the same gender???
your idea of frying pan to fire is all wrong,
they will burn,,promise
My question above also goes out to all the others who think same sex couples should not be allowed to adopt.
How will two gay freaks make a child? They would have to need a stait person wouldn’t they. Wich makes it unnatural. A guy want a guy that acts like a girl. Why not get a girl or a girl wants a girl that acts like a guy get a man. If you don’t see the problem with that. You are all a bunch of sickos
Why does it bother you? Do you think you’ll catch gayness?
It must have been the straight ‘freaks’ who made the Gay child then…hmmm that explains it.
1. Your spelling/ grammar is appalling.
2. Not all gay guys act like a girl nor are all gay guys attracted to feminine guys.
3. Get some knowledge to back up what you are saying – your argument would seem much stronger.
Jon, I am with you. And there are many more who support you. Don’t worry. That is why it is not legal. They can fight all they want. They’ll die fighting. It is wrong and there is no if ands or butts, howevers, whatever. !!!!
The same argument was probably used against women and blacks that were fighting for their rights. Just sayin’
What argument do you have against incest?
What does incest have anything to do with this?
I agree with you too Patricia. No ifs, no ands, and unfortunately for the gays, no “butts”.
If it is as disgusting, repulsive and immoral as you all make it out to be, why bother to read the article?
Poor kid…he’ll be bullied and teased all through nursery and high school. “You’ve got two mommies…you’ve got two mommies!” and yet you all think that this is ok!? He might even loathe gays himself when he reaches adulthood and then you’ll wonder why he walks into a mall with an AK-47 and shoots everybody to hell because the world is wrong!!! Then again he might turn out normal…who knows?!
You’re worried about him being bullied and teased because he has two mommies… do you even realize how accepting and loving children are?! Hatred is TAUGHT TO THEM! There is no toddler who will come up to another and tease them. The odds of a child teasing another in nursery is SO slim, and the only chance that they will is if they picked up the habit elsewhere! Do not even go on saying how bad this kid has it. This beautiful child has SO much love surrounding him! The odds of him turning out to be hateful is also ridiculous. I’ve been bullied for half of my life and I’m only just in university! Honestly, there are hateful days but you DO NOT have hate toward the thing that people pick on, just towards the people who pick on you. This whole string of negative comments disgusts me. I can’t believe how close-minded some people can be! I understand not liking something, but that doesn’t mean you have to fight against it!
Being gay is definitely a choice Lizzy,
Just like I can choose if I am going to continually cheat on my wife;
I can choose if I am going to have sex with another man;
We all have urges, and we are not forced to act on them;
If I can’t help but want to grope every woman in town, will you defend me then; if i start a petition for ‘Groper’s Rights?’
Factually incorrect.
@Timothy
How old were you when you chose to be Heterosexual?
Were you 10, 15, 24? Please enlighten us. Do you look at a man get aroused and say I choose to be straight?
I look at women and choose to be monogamous even though biologically i have millions of sperm each wanting a female of their own. If we should act upon all of our urges and “orientations”, i should have me another man’s wife as well. Hell, when the two Lesbos raise the child to adulthood, they can all have a threesome since incest is ok too right?
You choose HOW you express your sexual orientation. You choose WHEN you want to express it, HOW OFTEN you want to express it, WITH WHOM (in terms of individuals) you express it, WHAT you do to express it, and WHERE you express it.
You DON’T choose your sexual orientation itself. Your sexual orientation can be: gay, straight, bisexual, or anywhere else on that spectrum. See the Kinsey Scale for further reading.
Your sexual orientation, specifically, is the gender(s) that you find yourself attracted to (physically, sexually, emotionally), in relation to your own gender.
I never choose who I am attracted to. I’m either attracted, or I’m not. I just know. By the way, I identify as a bisexual female.
But at what point did you choose to be straight? You seem to say that you were attracted to females from birth which would indicate that it was not a choice you made. The same goes for homosexuals they didn’t choose to be homosexual they are homosexual. How does someone being homosexual and being allowed to marry infringe upon your rights in any way, shape or form? You acting on those urges would infringe upon the rights of those females that do not want your sperm.
To ‘wait’ and ‘Sandgrownan’:
Understand that the literature around you defines the way you view yourself.. at a young age I head no concept of homosexuality.. if I looked at a man and i had feelings that were the equivalent as being ‘aroused’ then I wouldnt jump to the conclusion that Im this homo.. arousal means to be affected.. so if a man makes me feel diminuitive and insecure for example.. i may be aroused with certain feelings of ineptitude, targetting my insecurities, but the way i deal with these feelings is totally up to me.. some men dont internalize it very well.. and turn into queen B instead of competing on the stage of men, for Alpha male, to get women, we live in condensed societies, confusion happens, but ultimately we have free will.
@Timothy
Your urge to grope infringes on someone’s right not to be groped.
Homosexuals are not infringing your any of your human rights.
Furthermore, to associate a sexually deviant, harmful, and illegal activity (the unsolicited groping of persons) to homosexuality is ignorant. There is no deviance or perversion inherent in homosexuality. Like beauty, perversion is in the eye of the beholder.
Look within.
Ride
What about INCEST?
@Judge Dredd
Are you implying that homosexuals are predisposed to molesting their children? If so, your level of ignorance in this matter exceeds all known scales of measurement. Bear in mind that incest is overwhelmingly recorded in heterosexual contexts.
You, like Timothy, fall prey to your own predispositions that there is something deviant or perverse inherent in homosexuality. The perversion is in you.
To illustrate, in some cultures a woman showing her hair in public is, for all intents and purposes, equal to her strolling about in the nude. Some may look at this and say, “These guys have issues. It’s her business who sees her hair and how she wears it”. However, those people have associated a great perversion with the sight of a woman’s hair.
Similarly, you and Timothy have create in your own minds a perversion of homosexuality. The rest of us are now saying about you, “These guys have issues. It’s their business who and how they love”.
Ride
It is impossible for the natural order of things to be the perversion. Point blank if being gay was natural none of us would be here and thats a fact. Only in some species the ability to change their sex exist and Humans are not one of them……….
LOL Ride normally I’m with you on your contibutions but we will have to agree to disagree on this one.
@LOL(original TM*)
If a man/woman is natural attracted to another man/woman then I put it to you that this is their “natural order”.
Also, accepting that homosexuality is not a perversion in no way implies that heterosexuality, bisexuality, or asexuality is one. You seem to be implying this in your opening statement. I’ve made no reference to other sexualities being a perversion.
Ride
Aparently your definition of normal is not the one in the dictionary.
adjective 1.
conforming to the standard or the common type; usual; not abnormal; regular; natural.
2. serving to establish a standard.
3.Psychology .
a.
approximately average in any psychological trait, as intelligence, personality, or emotional adjustment.
b. free from any mental disorder; sane.
4. Biology, Medicine/Medical .
a.
free from any infection or other form of disease or malformation, or from experimental therapy or manipulation.
b.
of natural occurrence.
7. the average or mean:
LOL please pay attention to the last one like in a democracy the majority determin the norm and as stated although you ignored it we would not be here if the norm were to be gay.
@LOL(original TM*)
This is the first time you have mentioned normality. I never said that being a homosexual is an accepted norm in this society. Clearly it is not.
However, that does not mean that homosexuals do not have the right to be, love, and adopt.
At one point it was not an accepted norm for interracial couples to be and love. If those individuals that were taken by love outside of their race never professed it and fought for its acceptance where would we be today. No Bob Marley. No Barack Obama. The list goes on an on.
Any person can remain in the safe confines of what is accepted as normal. People of true courage pursue what they know to be correct in spite of the obstacles of the norm.
Gays marrying, establishing families, and growing old together. These events do not threaten anyone’s existence. They to not tread on anyone’s human rights. The arguments against this are horribly flawed and have no factual basis to support them.
Ride
Is it lost on you that gay people cannot produce children within the confines of their life style? Let’s take this hypothetically for a minute. An island with only gays of equal age and life expectance on it, give a generation of time passing is anyone still on the island???????????
LOL. That is what my argument/comments are based on. It is not a sustainable sexual expression within itself. This alone destroys the genetic argument. There may-be a gay gene but on the whole it’s recessive and thus was most likely not even supposed to be expressed. We consume many man-made chemicals. You have herd the expression that you are what you eat right. What do you think that means?
I pray that you are not making a correlation between human consumption and homosexuality. It doesn’t work like that.
And are you worried about overpopulation or something? Tr prevalence of homosexuality is less than 5% of the population in most countries. So who cares if they don’t produce children? Doesn’t mean they cannot be a productive member of society. Leaves more women for me and you anyway. We will never come close to a society where homosexuality is the majority. They will always be a very small minority. So let people be gay with each other. I don’t think we ll ever have to worry about there not being enough people to continue our civilization…especially in Bermuda, where they pop em out left right and center
@ ride,
Homosexuality conflicts with the laws of man, and any internal sense of law or moral rightness, you look within and tell me honestly if you think its right, instead of arguing for the sake of standing against those who you feel are ignorant.. you are being ignorant of history and the classification of homosexuality.. it has always been categorized as a perversion, even a mental instability, if you actually tried to read what i said rather solely pitch an argument against my words you would have understood that i said that homosexuals parade about demanding human rights, and want to be acknowledged for their homosexuality, the analogy is that other sexual perverts couldnt possibly go around and do the same thing.. and i used perversion because if sex is not for reproduction than it is technically referred to as sodomy, correct me if you can prove me wrong; and do force such things upon a largely Christian society is offensive;
act like you know better
@Timothy
“Conflicts with the laws of man”? Really, Timothy. Then what of the myriad of countries and regions that recognise same-sex marriage/civil-union ( http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Same-sex_marriage#Current_status )? Are these places not populated by Man. Did Man not pass these laws? Or did aliens do it?
You mention the historical classification of homosexuality. To that I’ll remind you that history once classified women as mentally and physically deficient, African’s has mentally deficient, the Earth as flat, the Earth as the centre of the universe, and so on. If we as a species always did what was previously done and never progressed in our thinking or social interaction that we would not able to have this conversation through this digital medium.
Again, you classify homosexuality as a sexual perversion. The acts you mention infringe on peoples human rights; they are unsolicited physical assaults. Homosexuality does not consist of an assault on your person. As I stated previously the perversion is in you; not homosexuality ( http://bernews.com/2013/05/bermudian-lobbies-for-same-sex-us-immigration/#comment-554711 ). You cannot demand a human-right that infringes on another’s human rights. Rape, groping, assault; these things infringe on someone’s human-rights. Homosexuality does not.
I’ll vehemently disagree with your assertion that sex without the intent of reproduction is sodomy. I, for one, can attest that I’ve had sex countless more times with the intent of simply giving and receiving sheer pleasure than with the intent to impregnate. Your statement is a matter of opinion formed by your personal beliefs. (Note that factually speaking sodomy refers to oral intercourse as well so I’ll hazard a wager that you, yourself, are a Sodomite as well. LOL)
Ride
wow – are you serious? How would you know that? did you make the choice? I’d like to hear your personal story…
I think this argument of when you choose to be what you are is a bit missleading when it gay individuals have that choose? Mainly they just like Heteralsexuals most likely don’t remebmer. Is this evidence they were born this way no its just us looking for causation for the behaviour. Just as hatred is taught so are you conditioned to likes. Anything from an acts of kindness or crulty from a group, parent, family member, friend, enemy or whatever can work over time to shape a persons traits. For example tell some one they are worthless for long enough and what do you get? You get a rebel that can be at war with everyone or someone who rebels be constantly proving they are not. Or how about this a man who a woman would do anything for is constantly telling the woman to kiss her ace girl after awhile in the right state she may just do it. How many guys can’t see this happening or wouldn’t mind it. I think you understand my point so I’ll stop there……….
LOL again I’m not anti-gay but I cannot follow the logic they use to justify their behaviour.
How about this logic? (Note, this is hypothetical:)
I’m a woman, I’m in love with another woman, and I want to express my love to the woman I love and with whom I am in a consenting adult relationship.
What I do to express my love is my own private business, it affects only me and my partner. It does not affect you, or anyone else.
No other justification needed!
Timothy. You are an idiot and a bigot. It s not a choice. Its genetic.
@ Benevolous :its genetic? show me the facts. im a bigot? i think that ones guna bounce of and jab you in the face, idiot. i study this, you just like to have an opinion.
You re really trying to say being gay is a choice? Really? I’m straight and I didn’t choose to be straight. It just happened. Some people just happen to be gay. If you believe otherwise then there is no point in discourse.
Are you Christian, Timothy? Would explain a lot about your close minded beliefs.
And again, you are bigot.
To Checkmate,
Just because people are repulsed by the sight of you, they will still look if you address them; depending on how bored they are, they will simply look to see what you have to say.
One tooth, a banjo, 40 acres in St Davids. Goes to church on Sundays (with Jon), but doesn’t have a mule.
Back country, small Island red necks.
You have to laugh.
The rest of the civilized world is passing them by and they become increasingly irrelevant.
lol
… YUP
To Checkmates “@Jon” reponse;
Adulterers, fornicators and thieves don’t run around professing their actions as aspects of their identity, and forcefully try to gain other’s acceptance based upon these choices;
So yes, it can be problematic to society if certain members which to parade in front of young children, about their sexual lives and orientation.
If certain people are offended; don’t act surprised; they have a right to be.
You have a right to be offended, you do not have a right to do anything about it. You offend me.
To Logic76:
Don’t comment on a philosophical book before you read it, let alone study it; that’s the epitomy of ignorance.
And homosexuality in animals, particular in fish has been attributed to contamination in the water; environment, mercury poisoning and so on, and it is confusing the fish; it’s not NATURal.
And if you want to model your life around the habits of monkeys, don’t worry, no ‘God’ is going to stop you.
“homosexuality in animals, particular in fish has been attributed to contamination in the water; environment, mercury poisoning and so on, and it is confusing the fish; it’s not NATURal.”
Where did you get that lovely piece of information? Fox News?
@ Sorry Sir:
look it up brah,
no your probably be too busy,
you only have time to watch CNN,
and no i dont watch American news,
thats like listenin to 1942 German radio for a perspective on human rights and equality for all
Some animals (fish/other sea creatures particularly) can switch their sex at will, or are asexual, or are both sexes at the same… and that’s just how they were created! No contamination involved!
Sooooo, if a fish is both sexes, is it gay sometimes and straight sometimes? Gotta be confusing for that fish, huh? But that’s just how God made him/her…
LOL… so why are we talking about fish anyway?!?
But, anyway, YES, homosexuality has been observed in animals.
Riiiiiiiiight
It’s confusing to the fish; how will we ever survive? As someone who grew up in a Christian household, was christened and confirmed I can assure you I have read, and studied, the Bible. Unlike others I choose to interpret messages from the aged book in a less literal way that actually applies to the modern world we live in.
@Logic76
thats very good for you; language istelf, its laws and rules and forms are all metaphors anyway.
Live and Let Live,but leave me the eff alone!
To Campervan,
There is nothing remotely witty about the comment you just made, even tough one can’t help but picture you chuckling to yourself as you stumbled on the words to write this feeble attack on these person’s character.
If you; Jon have such a problem with gays blame straight people for having gay babies!!!
I would much rather a child be adopted by a gay family than to have no family at all.
In wh@t context are you really proud to be g@y?
The day you came out to your family and friends?
Sounds like you still blame your parents for the way you are
Actually I do not hold any resentment towards my parents. They loved me and supported me. The resentment I hold is towards narrow minded individuals like you. I am their child. They would never abandon me.
First off you cannot go around calling everyone narrow minded that does not agree with you fully on your radical views. Just because political. And secondly, just let it go.. maybe one day you’ll wake up and realize that your sexuality, and your actions do not define who you are.
um, you’re the one the is defining people based on their sexuality
Some science for Jon, kat, Timothy and all:
http://www.psychologytoday.com/blog/millennial-media/201304/do-racism-conservatism-and-low-iq-go-hand-in-hand
Hodson and Busseri (2012) found in a correlational study that lower intelligence in childhood is predictive of greater racism in adulthood, with this effect being mediated (partially explained) through conservative ideology. They also found poor abstract reasoning skills were related to homophobic attitudes which was mediated through authoritarianism and low levels of intergroup contact.
A little education goes a long way!
@ Family man.
If these studies are accurate, then most of England, USA, and the world have low intelligence. Much of the world is still deeply entrenched in racism. Which according to the studies you mentioned, are living at a lower intelligence level that the compromised but enlightened ones. Maybe living an alternative lifestyle causes one to be enlightened.
Push and pull away guys………i’ll pass.
I for one love the way my wife is made. No lust for a man could ever replace her.
To Family Man,
Clearly you have had precisely that, “a little education” to throw out one study done in the states and suggest that this actually carries some weight; how about the facts; it was not until ’73 that homosexuality was declassified as a psychiatric disorder.. it is a form of sodomy.. to call people ignorant because they do not respect sodomy is to be ignorant of their beliefs that might actually have some standing!
don’t feed the trolls guys!
FREAKS!!
Leviticus18.22 King James
Thou shalt not lie with mankind, as with womankind: it is abomination.
its in the book,
and the other way around,,, but do what you like,fire is waiting for them anyway
So what? What if they’re not Christian? Do they have to follow your book as well?
1 Timothy 2:12 also sayys “I do not permit a woman to teach or to assume authority over a man; she must be quiet.”
Do you follow this in your daily life as well?
Even if you are not religious, one can argue that all it promotes is sexually transmitted diseases, social issues, and persecution. It does not take a literary science to prove to even the most tender mind that there is something unnatural about it.
Sexually transmitted diseases affect both homosexual and heterosexual people who are sexually active and don’t take safety precautions.
Social issues affect both homosexual and heterosexual people! (Think of: teen pregnancy, spousal/partner abuse, statutory rape amongst teens, etc.)
I could make the argument that heterosexual relationships promote sexually transmitted diseases and social issues, so what is your point?
As for persecution???! That’s society’s fault. Not the individual’s.
and little jamie to
This blog is funny as hell I had a good laugh. Sorry I don’t support same sex marriage and relationships.I am sure we will have a riot on this island if they even tried it. They better bring the whole U.S force army force down here.Nasty stuff.
how serious do these people take the laws of god?
its no excuse, born that way or not,
this way of life is becoming a fashion…
girls kissing girls on tv is a regular thing now,
got that syble guy marching in drag in the bda parade,,
i still teach my kids the real deal,
this world is going in the wrong direction,
anyone says any differant, makes them a big part of the problem
Which law of god? after all there are many types of ‘christianity’ out there not mention all the other religions out there.
The laws of God?
There are many different religions that praise a God of some sort.
What God are you talking about and what laws are you talking about?
Gods don’t kill people.
People with gods kill people.
must be ex pats supporting this trash,,
Oh. So now you’re not just Homophobic, you’re Xenophobic as well.
Please, go on about how “Christian” you are.
I am Bermudian but I am not a bigot. Are you saying that all Bermudians are bigots? I take great exception to that. I am Bermudian but people should not be discriminated against for anything that they have no control over such as race, gender, sexual-orientation…
I am Bermudian as well BUDDY! Just one of those open- minded ones.
Bermudian here!!! In full support of equal love, and equal benefits for any 2 humans who choose to be together.
the laws in Leviticus,
or do christians belive in a different bible?
Ahh yes the book of Leviticus:
So I can’t eat animals which don’t both chew cud and has a divided hoof (We need to make bacon and pork illegal)
Eating or touching the carcass of any sea food without fins or scales (I gues we should make catching, selling or touching lobsters, crab, etc illegal)
Ahh what about mixed fabrics (they need to be illegal, get rid of anything with more than one fabric)
Just 3 quick examples.
Remember you can’t pick and choose because they are all abominations.
Why is it that everyone remembers the harshness of the Old Testament and none of what Jesus tells us in the new? ALL SINS are paid for past, present, and future…….. that includes being gay (closest analogy is Saul who made the choice to follow Jesus and became Paul) the issue isn’t the sin any more it’s the real heartfelt choice to except your savior or not within excepting him generally you should strive to be more like him then not like him if you understand that. Like a history book the bible shows what was what is and as an extra what will eventually come to pass. Should this scare anyone, no.
LOL whomever you God is if you truly follow one (even if you don’t you’ve really just replaced God with yourself) be true to them as much as possible and remember accidence happen we’re human after all.
@LOL
Yo man you flunked out of cedarbridge or sumthin?
type up on word and get a spell check,
and think before you type
Sorry whats spelled wrong? Cedarbridge was just being thought of when I was in school. I admit my grammar could be better.
LOL what’s wrong with what I typed it is based on my faith and is factually correct according to my faith. Maybe it’s you that needs to re read the things stated and think on them.
John, and Timothy are so funny I had a good giggle.
no way am i christian
not Xenophobic at all,
but i know were trash comes from
Your house. I know. Stinks up the whole island.
sorry,,, i have to assume, ex pats
You really believe every Bermudian thinks like you?! Many Bermudians are some hypocritical mofo’s, same ones out there doing everything under the sun the bible say’s they shouldn’t but want to cherry pick and judge the next man. Until you live the life of the bible word for word and even then you have no authority to judge!
ok guys, nice conversation,,, gota go
pick up the kids
tacos tonight, cant wait
I state that marrying your sister is okay:
“And yet indeed she is my sister; she is the daughter of my father, but not the daughter of my mother; and she became my wife.” Genesis 20:12
I state that if you rape a virgin woman you have to marry her:
“If a man happens to meet a virgin who is not pledged to be married and rapes her and they are discovered, he shall pay her father fifty shekels of silver. He must marry the young woman, for he has violated her. He can never divorce her as long as he lives.” Deuteronomy 22:28-29
I state that you can have as many wives as you want.
“He had seven hundred wives of royal birth and three hundred concubines, and his wives led him astray.” 1 King 11:3
I state that Jesus encouraged everyone to leave their wives:
“And everyone who has left houses or brothers or sisters or father or mother or wife or children or fields for my sake will receive a hundred times as much and will inherit eternal life.” Matthew 19:29
There are two points to note here. First, even though the verse may seem to be instructing the rapist to marry the victim the passage nowhere sanctions, condones or even approves of rape. This is simply a gross misreading of the text. The injunction is intended to instruct the Israelites on how to deal with and address a rape situation if and when it occurs.
Second, by taking a careful look at the context and consulting the original languages of the Scriptures a strong case can be made that this citation isn’t even addressing a rape case at all. We must remember that the Holy Bible was not written in English. The OT was written in Hebrew, with parts of it being written in Aramaic. The NT was written in Koine or common Greek. This means that if we want to know whether an English translation has faithfully and accurately translated the inspired author’s intended meaning we must turn to the original language of the sacred text. Once this is done, it will become quite apparent that the Holy Bible does not sanction that a rapist marry his victim.
If this was in fact God’s will it would be as such in the English Bible.
Besides God instructed a lot of scholars to create me.
The bible has been translated so many times you have no idea what the original text would have said unless you’re reading a Hebrew bible so the English bible is garbage. If you’re reading a Hebrew bible you’re still reading garbage.
Over 100 comments of people bitchin about what others should do with their lives, ridiculous. Weed is illegal but i still do it. Why? Because its nobodys damn business what i do with my body. Hell im considering having a relationship with Jill, shes faithful and best of all never talks back. Got a problem with that? If you are against something that someone does that doesn’t hurt anyone else you need to go talk to a professional to sort out your underlying issues. Everybody deserves to be happy, everybody. If you had asked me how i felt about this 3 years ago i probably would have sounded like John…but i grew up.
Come Correct;
You grew up? Whatever b.. sounds like u got a nice piece of yah, and now you’re ready to settle down and give up on the pressing issues in your mind’s life.. everybody deserves to be happy, yah, but you’ll never know who’s truly happy behind closed doors to be even warrant commenting on it. Good point; its not anyones business, what you do in private; which is why so many Bermudians, who do not go around bragging about their problems, and like to be discrete seem to have a problem with people who want to advertise abominations against what they believe in.. without such protest, the hegemonic forces of this world will have us convinced of the “New Normal
Lol ok so because I believe everyone has a right to be happy I must be gay too? Typical small island mentality. When I was in Cali I saw to two guys holding hands, I didn’t like it but I’m not holding his hand, they didn’t make a move on me so who really gives a f@ck.
I hate to break it to you but even the Spartans used their women for babies and their men for pleasure so I guess that makes it the old normal huh? They’re bringing it back lol.
http://m.quickmeme.com/meme/5eye/
@Come Correct
Ya dumb brah, you need a history lesson.
homosexuality amongst the Greeks is a famous transgression.. you think thats where we came from? Greeks? just because we dont know our history of that time? think about it, your people were in a different part of the north continent, the greeks were doin their pagan thing; and yes we live in a Neo-Platonic Society.. but lemme stop there because I think Ive gone too over your head with allusions. I aint got time to break it down!
I’m dumb but you’re the one that needs to resort to personal insults. I need a history lesson because I used only one example? If you think homosexuality was only a Greek thing you need the history lesson. You said before, I don’t know who is truly happy behind closed door. Honestly I don’t care. Again it has nothing to do with me. Let me rephrase what I said, everybody should have the right to PURSUE happiness. Who are you to judge how they go about it? This thing called life is a journey for all of us and we all choose different paths. Some paths lead us where we intended and some lead us to a dead end, but you have no say in how or why a person goes about their business unless it directly affects someone else in a negative way. Speculate all you like on how it could turn out, doesn’t mean it will. This argument is about as stupid as me liking my sandwich cut diagonally and you like yours in half. Its my f@ckin sandwich!
People just want to be able to live their lives being true to themselves. Not having to lie or trying to fit in with “normal” society when they do not identify or fit in with it. It’s about integrity.
It’s NOT about flaunting one’s sexual escapades. No one (except your own significant other and maybe your best friend) wants to hear about that, whether you’re gay, bisexual, or straight. True, people (all people) should be discreet about their sex lives – that is personal – but one should not have to be discreet about their EVERYDAY LIFE. And for some, their sexual orientation makes up a large part of their everyday life! Why should ANY person be forced to closet themselves because SOME others “feel uncomfortable” or “don’t like it” or “have a problem with it” or “don’t agree with it”??? That is the OTHER’s problem and they need to learn to LOVE AND ACCEPT others, including their differences. Any differences.
By the way, you cannot assume that just because a person is gay, or lesbian, that they are sexually active. A person being “out of the closet” does not automatically mean they are “advertising abominations”. It simply means that they are saying, “Hi, I’m a girl, and I like girls.” or vice versa. Why do you have such a problem with that? People just want to be able to live their lives peacefully.
@ Read This
so if your son is in school and his teacher is a male homosexual, and he is open about this and advertises it, he is advertising to your young son and every mindful young child that he likes to grope men so much that he wont have sex for reproductive purposes and only does it for gratification, so much so that he defines his being by it.. i do not know about you but i would find this is a bit problematic.. i would question the teachers self control.. and if he simply “likes” men or “loves” men and he is not sexually active, then what discourse defines him as homoSEXUAL!? its about your sexual oritentation! think
You are giving a specific hypothetical situation. If a homosexual conducts themselves as heterosexual does where is the issue? Not like your son is gonna say hey my teacher is gay I need to be too. I personally don’t like PDA period, gay or straight. So as long as you conduct yourself appropriatelywha gogoes on behind your door is of no concern to me or anyone else.
An openly gay male teacher is only advertising the fact that he is attracted to males… end of story.
Anything else beyond that is his own business, and it would be totally inappropriate for any teacher (gay or straight) to make any reference to his or her personal sex life/sexual activity/sexual practices in a classroom setting!
Whether or not the teacher is sexually active is his own business and not something that the students should be privy to. You can assume all you want, but that is someone’s private business.
Think of it the other way, does the mere existence of a straight male teacher who is “openly straight” advertise the fact that he likes to eat p*%^y and bend women over and f*^% them silly? Ummm. No. Any of that would be implied by YOUR own imagination.
As stated before, what defines someone as homosexual is the fact that they are sexually ATTRACTED to the same sex. Sexual activity is not implied in any way when discussing orientation. Don’t straight virgins exist? lol… THINK!
Ya argument is dopey bah, you don’t even deserve a response for that
You just can’t argue with logic. lol. Poor Timmy
“I know there’s no way I can convince you this is not one of their tricks, but I don’t care, I am me. My name is Valerie, I don’t think I’ll live much longer and I wanted to tell someone about my life. This is the only autobiography ill ever write, and god, I’m writing it on toilet paper. I was born in Nottingham in 1985, I don’t remember much of those early years, but I do remember the rain. My grandmother owned a farm in Tuttlebrook, and she use to tell me that god was in the rain. I passed my 11th lesson into girl’s grammar; it was at school that I met my first girlfriend, her name was Sara. It was her wrists. They were beautiful. I thought we would love each other forever. I remember our teacher telling us that is was an adolescent phase people outgrew. Sara did, I didn’t. In 2002 I fell in love with a girl named Christina. That year I came out to my parents. I couldn’t have done it without Chris holding my hand. My father wouldn’t look at me, he told me to go and never come back. My mother said nothing. But I had only told them the truth, was that so selfish? Our integrity sells for so little, but it is all we really have. It is the very last inch of us, but within that inch, we are free. I’d always known what I wanted to do with my life, and in 2015 I starred in my first film, “The Salt Flats”. It was the most important role of my life, not because of my career, but because that was how I met Ruth. The first time we kissed, I knew I never wanted to kiss any other lips but hers again. We moved to a small flat in London together. She grew Scarlet Carsons for me in our window box, and our place always smelled of roses. Those were there best years of my life. But America’s war grew worse, and worse. And eventually came to London. After that there were no roses anymore. Not for anyone. I remember how the meaning of words began to change. How unfamiliar words like collateral and rendition became frightening. While things like Norse Fire and The Articles of Allegiance became powerful, I remember how different became dangerous. I still don’t understand it, why they hate us so much. They took Ruth while she was out buying food. I’ve never cried so hard in my life. It wasn’t long till they came for me.It seems strange that my life should end in such a terrible place, but for three years, I had roses, and apologized to no one. I shall die here. Every inch of me shall perish. Every inch, but one. An Inch, it is small and it is fragile, but it is the only thing the world worth having. We must never lose it or give it away. We must never let them take it from us. I hope that whoever you are, you escape this place. I hope that the world turns and that things get better. But what I hope most of all is that you understand what I mean when I tell you that even though I do not know you, and even though I may never meet you, laugh with you, cry with you, or kiss you. I love you. With all my heart, I love you. -Valerie”
V for vendetta
bless you,Valerie,
Completely out of context but nice try.
LOL
Ness and Ginger, Cute kid!
I can’t stop listening to Mackelmore, ‘Same Love’ what a great song. You can’t help who you love.
john is right guys,,,he is just a bit extreme in his intentions
Things are getting out of control really fast. We are talking about sexual orientation right? Buggery? Licking? Rubbing? Men with men and women with women……..right? All of which are against nature and reproduction. Against family. Well, the natural family not the unnatural one. It seems everything man made is corrupt.
There is a case going on where two gay men were allowed to adopt nine boys. What do you think happened next? What did you expect to happen next? The gay men went to town on the poor helpless defenseless boys. It was a free for all.
Whatever we decide today, lays a foundation for our tomorrow.
Spirits (demons)are influencing people in a major way. You can’t see the spirits, but they are busy corrupting the hearts and minds of men. Don’t believe me, just watch the news. See the freaky behavior of people.
We spend alot of time fighting against one another, that the real enemy is having a field day destroying lives……..unchallenged.
But God loves us and is working to save those who desire to be free.
@David F
Let me see if I understand your logic here.
You assert that since a male gay couple (oh, and I’ll insert here that you’ve provided no corroborating source for this “story” so its truthfulness can not be confirmed but let us continue for this moment as if it were true) molested 9 of their adopted boys (again, I reference my earlier reservation on the truthfulness of this “story” as we all know that homosexuals have insurmountable obstacles adopting 1 child, current article being a case in point, so 9 adoptions is ever so slightly a stretch at best) then this somehow proves that all children adopted into homosexual households will be molested.
Humm … let us let your logic sink in bit. This one occurrence indicates that all cases with the broad brush of homosexual household adoptions will end in this manner.
Ok. Now let us think of the bevy of cases of child abuse (incest/molestation/violent death/…) in heterosexual homes in one year in one country ( http://www.villageskids.org/ca_stats.php ).
Hummm … it seems I have 2.9 million events, 2900000, of heterosexual household abuse to your one event, 1, of homosexual household abuse. By your logic (not my logic, your logic) there is a stronger case that heterosexual households are dangerous to children.
This is the very definition of the foundation of prejudice. To take one specific event (and we still don’t know if your “story” is true) and find some manner to generalise all people of some broad-brush category has having the specific negative traits of the individual’s specific behaviour in that specific isolated event.
Child abuse is not a homosexual household problem. It is a people problem. You do a great disservice to all those who have suffered and are suffering its horrific effects by trivialising it in this churlish and base manner to support your personal prejudice of homosexuals.
Grow up!
Ride
WHAT’S FUNNY IS THAT EVEN THOUGH TIM OR JOHN’S VIEWS MAY SEEM EXTREME TO SOME, THEY ARE ALLOWED THEIR OWN OPINIONS AND YOU HAVE TO RESPECT THEM, SAME GOES FOR THE PRO GAY PEOPLE. BOTH JUST AS BAD
Normalcy, get outa hea with that,
If you disagree with something i said, address it direct, dont generalize me with somebody else. Both just as bad you say, tell me what i said that is so bad, bimpert.. and just because you dont express you opinion doesnt mean that you dont have one.. so wats urs.. and no one has to respect my opinion.. i dont seek or desire the respect of fools!
I have no problem with Gay Marriage.
I approve this message.
I approve of both of you and fully endorse your disbelief. Welcome to hell!
Group hug!
I cannot believe how ignorant people are. I expect a lot more from my country. When will people realise that love is love?
I’m in love with my mother. We are getting married.
Dexter Morgan,
Yes love is love, you are right about that.. and lust it.. is lust
So, you only have sex to reproduce?
@ Sorry Sir what i do is not for you to know, if i do something wrong i will not ask you to tell me i am right and justify my actions, that is between me and me
Hypocrisy at it’s finest.
Exactly!
clearly you don’t believe in the bible – declare that as a truth and the matter / argument becomes one that can’t be resolved, as it is between believers and non believers…
When will people realise that love is love,,,it dont work like that,
but to each his own,
disgusting and bringing up innocent children should not be allowed… they will not know the difference between Mommy and Daddy
Should be ashamed of themselves
I thought God created Adam & Even
Yea, innocent children who otherwise would be brought up in an orphanage or homeless.
Sorry Sir, but seeking relief in places / homes that offend the very teachings of the bible is what is tearing at the heart and fabric of our society…
I don’t follow the Bible. Used to when I was younger and naive. Not everybody is a Christian.
Can you please give examples, facts, and statistics to back up your claim that gay adoptive parents are “tearing at the heart and fabric of our society…” Thanks.
Also… would you protest so much against heterosexual atheist adoptive parents? or heterosexual Buddhist adoptive parents? or heterosexual Wiccan adoptive parents? or heterosexual Hindu adoptive parents? Or, as long as the 2 parents are of opposite sex, you’re totally cool with that? Just wondering.
@bir
I’m curious. In your model of creation who did Adam’s and Eve’s children reproduce with?
Ride
If ( if, being the operative word) you believe in the bible, than you simply can’t agree with homosexual relationships, as it is deemed unchaste / an abomination by the very teachings of the bible…way to many of us cherry pick the teachings of the bible for self serving reasons..the fact that men have moved away from the bible’s dictate, for the comfort of men and have made laws to supoort that behaviour, does not make the act moral or righteous…if you don’t believe, so be it, however for those that truly believe, it is not an act that is looked upon favourably by God…Itis that simple…
So starving people worldwide is favorable in the eyes of the sky pilot? Sex trafficking of pre adolescent children is favorable in the eyes of the sky pilot? He is the creator, omnipotent and omnipresent. Why can’t he help? Sorry but if you want to put an end to injustice it takes every one of us and I would say people choosing to pursue happiness in their own way is at the bottom of that list. Your prayers make you feel like you’re doing something with the effect of doing nothing at all. Your prayer doesn’t pull that little girl out of the grasp of the highest bidding millionaire sexual deviant, but I bet you sleep ok.
Two words for you “Free Will”, that is why all those things happen. Are you one of those people who blame everyone else for your problems ……………
LOL in the case of natural disasters do you send food and clothing to those affected?
@Ole,
Next thing you know, goin at this rate, this way, 20 years from now we’re guna be having a similar argument, and these same people will be saying,
“What God, says beastiality is wrong? Who are you to judge..”
.. and the basis of some of these arguments is enough to try and justify murderers. Vybz Kartel sings:
“We murder people in ah broad day light.”
While that song was popular, in the g@zette;
“Murder in Broad Daylight” was the headline; its a social revolution controlled my political elites.
If you want to jump on board and get with the times, then you can’t really pick and chooses which changes you are willing to accept – on the basis of their being no moral superiority in the world; and no divin-ation to assert that something is right or wrong
But Lesbians are not Gay – they just think they are. It is not like they are a bunch of sodomists influencing little children; everything they get up to is the same stuff as many straight couples.
You’re trolling, right?
The definition of “gay” (or homosexual) is a person who is attracted to the same sex rather than the opposite sex.
Lesbians, indeed, are homosexual because they are women who are attracted to women.
Some lesbian women do, in fact, call themselves “gay” because they like other women. Labels are one’s personal preference. Some people don’t like labels at all! In fact most of us just prefer to be called by our own names.
As for your comments on “sodomists influencing little children” … Pedophilia occurs amongst both heterosexuals and homosexuals. Statistically, mainly heterosexual men! Hmm! Please see Ride’s comment above: “Child abuse is not a homosexual problem. It is a people problem.” Likewise, Pedophilia is not a homosexual problem. It is a people problem.
And in reference to: “everything they get up to is the same stuff as many straight couples.” <– whatever anyone does or doesn't do in the bedroom is their own business… and this has nothing to do with whether or not anyone should or should not be granted the same rights as anyone else.
I just love it when you get all serious and self-righteous like that – even if you are wrong. Lesbians are definitely not Gay, otherwise the Bible would condemn their proclivities like it does Gays in recalling what transpired in Sodom (sodomy) and Gomorrah (gonhorrea) and the Lord’s displeasure at these turns of event.
Except I’m absolutely right, and you are loud, strong, and wrong, lol.
Your latest comment is definitely trolling (no one could be so ill-informed in reality), so I’ll step away now…
Wow. Ignorance, bigotry, religious zealot, and utterly clueless, all in one go. Well done Frankie. Never seen quite that combination before.
Zombie, in case you have not noticed, I’m lobbying for these ladies – I’m all for Ness and Ginger staying together in the US and raising the kid. Being a writer and avid reader, I’m very pro lesbian; we should all just let them get on with it and deal with real problems like gay, paedophile priests ( of which there were quite a few in the Church of England when I grew up in 1970s Bermuda – just a matter of PEELing back the surface a bit).
you said it. it’s shocking how ignorant people like “Frankie” really are!
Utter rubbish – I refuse to be cuckolded into the hysteria of metropolitan liberalism which seeks to demonise any and all voices of dissent. I might also remark that if you disagree with what the Bible has to say, you are perfectly free to find another religion or even found one. Indeed, I am quite intrigued as to what religion was practiced on the Island of Lesbos in Ancient times and from which the word lesbian derives…
Frankie, it’s not that you’re a “voice of dissent”, it’s that you’re a voice of hatred and ignorance. Even if you’re unaware of that fact, it’s still the case.
amen to that billy mays
Billy, you are parroting worn out cliches with no real argument behind what you are saying – as I remarked, metropolitan liberalism, the new facism.
On the basis of that argument, pedophiles shud be given rights too, i guess to marry young girls and boys.. its legal in some places.. oh wait no.. because no authority figure says its ok to you, you cant imagine that being normal.. you’d be the same person gay bashing in a place were homosexuality is not legal
where homosexuality has not become depicted as something which should be socially accepted – by hegemonic forces*