Motions To Censure Speaker, Opposition Leader
[Updated with videos] Notice of two motions was given in the House of Assembly today [Mar 16], one seeking to censure the Opposition Leader, while while another was seeking to censure the Speaker.
Mark Pettingill [OBA] gave notice of a motion which said it “condemns and expressed disgust at the words and actions” of the Opposition Leader Marc Bean, and “censures the member accordingly” and “suspends the member from the service of the House.”
Michael Scott [PLP] gave notice of a motion seeking to censure Speaker of the House Randy Horton for what they said was his “misconduct of suppressing debate in the House of Assembly” and the “misuse and abuse of his authority as Speaker.”
Audio excerpt of both motions
Notice of a motion by OBA MP Mark Pettingill seeking to censure the Opposition Leader
A Motion moved by Hon. M. J. Pettingill that this House:
- Condemns and expressed disgust at the words and actions of the Member from Warwick East Central, the Leader of the Opposition, on Friday, March 13, and censures the member accordingly
- Abhors the action of the member for Warwick East Central in verbally threatening Members of the House and showing total disrespect to the Office of the Speaker of the House, and by this action, seriously reflecting up on the honour and dignity of the House; and
- Suspends the member for Warwick East Central from the service of the House. In addition, the Opposition Leader failed to acknowledge the seriousness and gravity the behaviour identified, which is not the type of behaviour that should be associated with Bermuda’s Opposition Leader, or any Member of Parliament
Notice of a motion by PLP MP Michael Scott seeking to censure the Speaker
A motion moved by the Hon. M. J. Scott hereby gives notice, that this Honourable House censures the Member for Southampton West and Speaker of the House the Hon. K.R.H. Horton, J.P. M.P. for :-
- Bringing the democracy of these Islands of Bermuda and its Parliament into disrepute, by his misconduct of suppressing debate in the House of Assembly, on an amendment to an Opposition motion, of public importance, and in breach of basic tenets of parliamentary procedure;
- Bringing Parliament into disrepute, by his misconduct of refusing to both acknowledge and take a point of Order and refusing to allow and hear a point of Privilege by the Member for Pembroke West Central, who rose on a point of Privilege, in breach of the Standing Orders of the House, numbers 11 (3) (a) and 13 (1) as read with 21 (1) (i);
- Bringing the Parliament into disrepute, by the misuse and abuse of his authority as Speaker, by ejecting the member for Pembroke West Central immediately after the Member rose on a point of Privilege without any lawful or justifiable grounds to eject the Member;
- Displaying a woeful ignorance and lack of understanding of Standing Orders of the House of Assembly and basic Parliamentary procedure thereby bringing the Parliament into disrepute;
Update 1.27pm: Mr Pettingill clarified it wasn’t “his” motion as such, it was a Government motion, and added, “We have had this going on some time, and it has got to stop, and I think Friday went beyond the pale.”
Video comment from Mr Pettingill
A transcription of Mr Pettingill’s comments in the video follows below:
It’s not my motion, it’s the government’s motion, I just moved it. I said it was regrettable that it had to be done, but I think there has to be a time that comes when lines have to be drawn in the sand, this is one of them.
We have heard over the course of the last two-and-a-half years, two years repeatedly, vitriolic and offensive comments have been made, particularly on interpolation during the procedures in the House.
We stand by what the ruling was of the Speaker on Friday, as a matter of fact, I felt that some of the conduct was deplorable. We have to be a system of rules and of decorum, even when we don’t like them.
For many, many years I’ve been in court. I don’t always like the decision of the judge makes, but I can’t start making vitriolic attacks on him or on the jury or so on if I don’t like it. There has to be a way to go about that, and I think the time has come…
There were things that were said on Friday night that are on the record, you all heard them on the tape. You aired them on your news station, that are just beyond the pale of being unacceptable for any member of Parliament to speak about other members like that. I mean, I take great umbrage with it, as do people in my party, in my Cabinet.
People calling at the weekend to say we can’t have this, we can’t tolerate this. We can’t tolerate threatening comments. We can’t tolerate things that are offensive, that impune improper motives and all the rest of it. It’s just not on.
We’ve had this going on now for some time, it’s got to stop. I think that Friday just went beyond the pale, and the appropriate way to go about that is to bring this type of motion that the government has tabled today.
That’s the appropriate way, and unfortunately … I say unfortunately because we got a lot of work to do and there’s a lot of things to be done. I see this as a detraction, I see it as a distraction. I don’t know if that’s the modus operandi of the opposition, and want to detract and distract.
I think that many people may look at it and think that way, maybe so. It’s just unfortunate that we have to get into this, but there comes a time where you just got to address behaviour that is just so abominable that it has to be addressed, and this is it.
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Update 1.33pm: Opposition Leader Marc Bean addressed both the motion against him and the motion the PLP moved against the Speaker.
Video comment from Mr. Bean
A transcription of Mr Bean’s comments in the video follows below:
Today we received clarity from the Speaker on his position, where he admitted that he had erred in making a decision on not allowing a debate to occur after the AG Moniz had moved an amendment to a substantive motion, and he went straight to a vote.
That is elementary, that’s elementary Parliamentary procedure, and so it’s not a matter of the Speaker being tired or senile or just wanting to go home. It’s not just a simple mistake.
We have seen a pattern of decision making and governorship by the Speaker and this House over two and a quarter years, and I think any casual observer can recognize what is at play.
I was seeking under a matter of privilege to reveal to everyone, everyone that is online, that is outside Bermuda and that is inside Bermuda why this behaviour is manifesting itself from the Speaker of the House.
You know if I’ve got something to say I’m not going to lie. Everything I’ve said before has manifested itself to be true. Trust me, that’s only half the story of what I revealed, it’s only half the story.
So the OBA can walk around with some ignorant arrogance and try to fool the people and try to manipulate people’s minds, but when the time comes for dealing with this censure motion against the Speaker, rest assured I will reveal everything, and at that point, well, we’ll see what happens, but there wouldn’t be no laughing from the One Bermuda Alliance.
We’re not going to accept manipulating of our legislature by a fraudulent political party. Now, I’ll tell you what, I’ve found that Mark Pettingill put a censure motion against me. You see what frauds do? You see what deceivers do?
You know what I told the One Bermuda Alliance as we exited the chamber on Friday? I said that I will take you all out. And they go, ooh…you know how they get childish.
I said, Hey, politically you’re all facing 15 years in prison according to the Parliamentary Act. That made them shut up. You’re facing 15 years in prison. That’s what I mean by taking you out. It was not a physical threat, and they know that. This is Parliament. My job as opposition leader is to remove the worst government in our history from government.
As long as they step on the necks of the voters and disregarding the voters of this country, you can’t expect me to go down to the yacht club or go to Port O Call or go to any one of their little environments and break bread with them, have a cocktail with them or even share coffee with them. That’s not the relationship I have with the One Bermuda Alliance.
The people who voted me to be a member of Parliament and the leader of this party voted for myself to protect their interests, uphold the constitution of our party and uphold the constitution of our country, and at some point a stop’s got to be put to it.
They could bring some Micky Mouse censure motion, because I warned them right there, I will have them removed from government. That is my job, and I’m serious about it.
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Update 3.15pm: Text transcriptions from both videos has been added above.
* Mr Bean represents Warwick South Central, however the actual text of the motion said East
I understand MP Pettingill’s motion of censure regarding the Opposition Leader is in reference to words uttered by the latter during the walk-out last Friday.
I’ve listened to the audio and have not been able to work out what was said – and I doubt the Hansard will either, but it’s not available yet either way.
Is anyone able to clarify what was said by the Opposition Leader to warrant such censure?
[And for abundance of clarity, I'm only interested in what he is alleged to have said during the walk-out, prompting the motion of censure.]
He called the House a “den of vipers”. Not sure what he said after but it’s alleged that he threatened the OBA again.
Wasn’t it along the lines of I’ll take you all out.
Oh please Mr. PETTINGILL you should have been Censured over your actions in regards to JETGATE and when you said Bermudians need to leave if they did not agree with you….really
Jet gate was so much more…why not censure Dunkley when he drop the F bomb in the house……one sided pickings by the OBA…..
Matthew 21:34 “You brood of vipers, how can you who are evil say anything good? For the mouth speaks what the heart is full of.”
OBA cheerleaders can not take the truth,,…transparency is killing them…..Truth is truth….
But Mr. Speaker. Since you are quoting the good book, isn’t there something in there about “Casting the First Stone”?
By the way, you do realize that according to CBS news and the BusinessInsider, the PLP had their very own Jetgate and in their case, it cost the country money.
Did you conveniently forget?
On Brown’s watch, the government signed Globalhue to handle the account from 2006-2011. Brown and Globalhue CEO Don Coleman are longtime friends. Coleman has given Brown a ride on his private jet.
Read more: http://www.businessinsider.com/bermudas-ewart-brown-globalhue-and-tourism-2013-5#ixzz3UZyyaLiu
Ah, how insecure and backward the U.B.P/oba sound when they bring up Dr. Brown, you are in power and you are F!@#*** up BIG time.
Cant wait for you to get out even though you are Legislating Bills to benefit you and your Klan when you are out.
Calm down. In the words of a former Bermuda politician “This too shall pass”.
I know it’s Embarrassing an Pathetic to see how screwed up this Government is and how they are making P.L.P look like Choir Boys.
It’s Hilarious to see how the U.B.P/oba supporters endorse and are silent on the things that are Preposterous, yet were the cheerleaders 2 years ago.
Selective Political Amnesia.
PS
The selection of your W&E Minister is the reflection of your party.
REJECT
Remember when that quote was spoken? When a former premier flew in four gentlemen from Cuba?
Not a point of order on some vote that one party was going to lose anyway….he snuck four people into Bermuda totally against the immigration laws of this country and contrary to Bermuda’s Constitution.
If that can “pass”, which it did with no apology or admission of wrong doing, then so can this.
If Mr. Horton is a bad speaker of the house and doesn’t know the rules as you claim, then look where he received his training. With the PLP.
Race card! Bingo!
You fail
Pure lies and deceit , squirming like an eel . We can tell when we have hit a nerve, you use profanity and capital letters . All you do is lie , everyone knows it. I have a good laugh every time you post. When someone protests as much as you , it usually means you are trying to deflect from the truth . Face it , your team lost and you are still sucking lemons . You must have a permanent pucker . HAHAHA
This actually about the actions of two plp elected members not OBA members. Twist it as much as you like your leader has a foul mouth and obsession with the dark side.
How many times have the PLP brought up that silly plane ride that cost the taxpayers nothing, sometimes I read these things and choke, WE ARE in this mess because of the PLP, How are we not supposed to stop brining it up!!!!!
@Fact Finder…..Don Coleman became my friend when he competed for business in Bermuda. I did not know him before then. Have you figured out why you made an incorrect assumption? All Black people who have university degrees did not attend the same institution!
As I have explained many times, my wife and I paid GlobalHue the equivalent of first-class, one-way tickets to DC. We did not “bum a ride”:. Sorry to disappoint you, but if you are going to refer to yourself as Fact Finder, you should provide facts and not regurgitate the lies of the Hooded Racists.
Fact Finder, I have to admit that the story about “casting the first stone” is cute but it doesn’t appear in any biblical text before the 12th century.
“Transparency is killing them”. Ahhhh, so you preferred when there was no transparency? No honesty? You preferred when the Government could do what they wanted, so long as they hid it?
That will be why we are millions and millions of $$$ in debt.
But you prefer that?
Hey Mark, how come you are quoting bible versus ? I do not see you in church on Sundays……point of order Marc…..we know what you are all about…. enjoy your tea tonight…PLP how could you elect this man to be your leader ?
1)Thats not what he said!
2) what rule was Breached by HIM over Jet Gate!?
3) Allegation at against Dunkley was not whilst House was in Session !
Just a few FACTS which he PLP always seem to conveniently ignore!
As I understand it, he said “This place (i.e. the House) is a nest of vipers”, and then: “I’m going to take you all out”.
Calling the house a ‘nest of vipers’ is one thing. No different than his normal behavior, really.
Threatening to ‘take them all out’ is another thing. It’s obviously meant as a threat of violence.
Not sure. It could just as equally (and perhaps more reasonably) refer to exposing the Government of engaging in certain actions, resulting in the OBA being ‘taken out’. Be it at the polls or the police.
Seems pretty ambiguous, which means one can read into it what one wants.
Not sure if this justifies him being censured and removed from the House, if that is all that he said.
“I’m gonna take you all out”. Well, I know what I think it usually means.
Anyway, he said he was planning to make some allegations today. “I will reveal everything”, he said.
So let’s hear it. What are the great revelations that he says will “put everyone in jail for 15 years”?
Starling defended Jamal Simmons’ tweets so his opinion is par for the course.
The only offences with a possible maximum sentence of 15 years in the Parliament Act are bribing a member or acceptance of a bribe by a member. If he has the proof I don’t understand why he wouldn’t just reveal it. Given that he said that outside of the chamber, it’s arguably defamation.
Bean is anything but ambiguous. He has established an erratic yet all too clear pattern of behaviour.
Thanks J STarling, it is merely the OBAubp strategy to attack Bean, but looks like it may be a no go anyways……
Keep up the script from the OBA strategist folks….is it working for you …..really
Maybe he was offering to take everyone for a nice curry, eh Betty?
I’m assuming you would agree, Mr Starling, that Bean should recuse himself from the Standing Orders Committee when it considers these matters? After all, otherwise he would be sitting in judgment of his own actions.
Are you born slippy ?
You know exactly what it means.
Maybe he meant he was going to take them all on a date, eh Jonathan?
While that last part was hard to decern amongst the noise, it was quite clear that the Leader of the opposition seems to be himself confused when he had to correct himself when he tried to call the Governing party the opposition. It fell in as he stated that the the house was in disrepute and charged that he was ‘allowing the opp… allowing the government to…’
We have a leader of the opposition who seems completely at odds with himself, he fancies himself a leader in waiting, he wants the highest office of this land, but feels he should in no way have to elevate himself to it, he constantly talks about how he is the truth, yet will not own up to the truth of his own part in this country’s decline and his own misbehaviour in it. His tone and language in his latest statement reflect entirely his own failings to be a stateman befit of the Premier’s office
On the tape one can hear ‘den of vipers’ being mentioned. The rest he actually repeats and clarifies his intent in the video above.
I find it disturbing that he claims to have withheld fifty percent of what he knows that would prove some sort of corruption in government. I’m trying to get people interested in investing in Bermuda and this doesn’t help one single bit. If there is something going on then deal with it. He sounds like he’s either trying to scare people or he’s using information to his political advantage at the expense of the electorate. Neither is acceptable.
Your pulling at straws Derek. ….but do continue to follow and read from the OBA script. ..aaaaah
No case to answer. ….
Maybe he is being responsible. If let the cat out of the bag at the wronge time in could do more harm then good. Its all about timing.
Yes we need to know what was said. Re the motion regarding the speaker seems fair as that was an error. The question though is was the response to that error by Bean as bad as alleged?
There is a great rule in rugby, the reaction to an offense is just as bad as the original offence – sometimes even more so.
We shall see.
Ok….I think this now officially proves that politics in Bermuda is now broken. Both parties hate each other and now the Speaker of the House is embroiled in controversy with the parties.
Welcome to the 21st Century, folks.
There a persons on either side of the floor who want to see things done in decency and in order and there are others who just don’t give a damn and will go to any stretch of the line to cause confusion. Follow instructions or let the door hit you where it may – right Mr Horton
Where is Warwick East Central? Come now, Mr Pettingill. Such sloppiness in drafting the motion.
I just heard the audio tape above with MB’s statement.
Marc Bean says this is not a case of being “Senile”. I kid you not.
He just cant help himself – he could have just left it at “mistake” or even said terrible or unacceptable mistake. Instead he resorts to insults.
awful man.
Tip for tap the OBA with it’s motion to suspend the opposition leader is only an effort to protect it’s asset in parliament in which it hope it will gain impunity from political criticism and examination of it’s anti-Bermudian policies; on the part of the PLP political opposition.
Tit for Tat.
Its x 3. (It’s = it is )
if this is Mr.Speakers first gaffe in 15 months, so be it. he has reflected upon it and apologised. was the former Speaker Mr. Lowe perfect in any way? this is much ado about nothing and all about scoring political goals with not one Bermudian/resident benefiting from this exercise…
It’s my jahob to remove dee vurz govmant in Bermudas history…………………………………………………………………
Now that is some strong verbal crap.
By any means necessary.
Long live the BBC.
You heard it.
Rest in Peace Bermuda.
I heard it live.
Outside of the House Chamber Mr. Bean is no longer afforded the protection of saying whatever he wants without reprisal. One therefore has to wonder if his party will finally recognise they have an unstable leader who is doing them and Bermuda more harm than good. His latest Bernews interview is littered with such examples.
Accusing the OBA of “manipulating of the legislature by a fraudulent political party.”
“I found that Mark Pettingill put a censure motion against me ok. You see what frauds do? You see what deceivers do?”
“You know what I told the One Bermuda Alliance on Friday as we exited the chamber on Friday? I said that I will take you all out.”
“My job as the Opposition leader is to remove the worst Government in our history from Government.”
“I will have them removed from Government. That is my job and I’m serious about it ok.”
This is the sort of behaviour the PLP leadership who supported his elevation to leader endorse? How very sad for their underlying constituents who deserve and should demand far more respect and professionalism from their Parliamentarians.
Basically a seditious statement 32.64.
We heard things like that in the 60′s/70′s and we know what happened.
Matthew 21:34 “You brood of vipers, how can you who are evil say anything good? For the mouth speaks what the heart is full of.”
So does Dunkley when he drop the F bomb in the house….selective memory we have ah….. blindfaithfulness gets your everytime..
oh no!!! not a bit of profanity, the horror!!!
I guess when you’re hopelessly biased, that might be the same as what sounds a lot like a physical and potentially mortal threat
The bible is not relevant to this matter.
The members of the HoA cannot enter as MP’s till they are sworn in on Bible, also Speaker starts of every session with a prayer .? The Bible is the basic information book for learning while we are on the earth thats where the first punishment was given to Cain after killing his brother Abel,and although The Most High had mercy the subsequent generations of people continue to go against His commandments unto this very day!!! The people are stiffneck and think they created themselves and can do whatever they will without punishment or judgement. The Most High says for this cause he will send a strong delusion that they should believe a lie(2Thessalonians 2:11)
“The Bible is the basic information book for learning while we are on the earth”
No. It’s. Not.
Yes it is, it contains a lot of our history and explains why we as various nations are where we are today in life, The Bible is a compilation of writings that have been translated from Hebrew to English so that the Children of The Most High would recognize who they are in the language that they would be speaking as a result of the transatlantic slave trade, King James of Scotland had the translationn Authorized as he knew what was to come and that there were people that wanted to kill him(Basilikhan Doron)especially regarding the gunpowder plot that we are well aware of but don’t fully understand the impact that it has had on a certain group of people called”slaves”.The scriptures in KJV 1611 is more conclusive… Other Nations in this earth know the scriptures very well and have been living their lives accordingly, the information states within the Bible that The Most High put it within men to write and only what he inspired not what is added or subtracted .The very basics of how to treat people are contained within it but we choose to ignore the Most knowleagable document that has actually fulfilled Prophesy!
Just because “men” misrepresented the Bible doesn’t lesson its validity or what it prophesies to come. Whether one believes in it doe not alter its autenticity or what has been commanded to be and has been, we were not there when there was completed void, nor do we know how to created Spirit and Soul, but the Most High who is described in the Bible knows and can give or take away.That is why it is explained that a place which committed the same foolishness that we do today called sodom and gomorrah were destroyed, we are also cautioned what to eat and what not to eat because of our earthly bodies, the swine although not filthy unto intself eats anything and doesnt chew grass, our constitutions were not made to just absorb anything, so we get sick and wonder why? coz certain things we shouldn’t do but we are stiff neck and hardheaded thinking we know better than our Creator.
Cinderella rode in a pumpkin to the ball and the turtle beat the hare. Both stories have lessons. Neither are true.
Is an atheist (or Muslim or whatever) precluded from being an MP in Bermuda?
The Bible don’t mean nothing to Atheist.
That’s why some people can swear on it and then have no conscience when they do folly.
Internally, the PLP won’t do anything about it. If they wanted to, they would have done it at the last party leadership vote. I mean, look how Kim Wilson and Walton Brown tip-toed around the issue when Marc Bean decided he wanted to insult OBA women? The party must stay together AT ALL COSTS!
Secretly, the PLP aren’t saying anything and probably hoping it will all work out just like they hoped their last two administrations did.
OBA stay out of this one. Let the PLP do themselves in.
It is your job as Opposition leader to remove the OBA from Government?! That could be the most idiotic thing ever uttered in politics. Terrifying that this man could be leading our island one day – hopefully it never comes to that, though!
DREB’s been coaching this lot PLP best hope it doesnt back fire on them
“Narcissistic Personality Disorder – is a mental disorder in which people have an inflated sense of their own importance, a deep need for admiration and a lack of empathy for others. But behind this mask of this ultra confidence lies a fragile self-esteem that vulnerable to the slightest criticism.”
I can think of two,that fit this description who are in the Progressive Labour Party…
Again, when are the PLP going to allow this country to get to work, the behavior of the PLP is deplorable, they are terrible role models for any young person. Please OBA tell the children they are not in power and get on with it, the majority of us want the country to move forward and are tired of hearing a whole pile of dribble
P.L.P. Leader / Minister Marc Bean, you and your followers are about “knee deep in manure” but you sir fail to acknowledge this
“The more you wriggle the deeper you’ll sink” Without any doubt you know exactly what you’d said (and meant) when leaving the “House” Fri. 13th. of Mar. 2015. Why attempt to be so cleaver? Prove your accusation because right now, “you’re an empty can rolling down a bumpy road bie’
Man bie ya friggin boring !
I did something I rarely do….and I now understand why. I listened to the sound bite from Marc Bean…
This is a man who is living in a parallel universe. He at least sounds like he actually thinks that he’s right. There is no point in wasting any time or energy trying to debate or discuss various perspectives with him. No matter where you stand politically or otherwise…he is in another world….and I dont think Hubert Smith is there with him !!
WOW. “It is my job to have them removed from Government…”
Heres your next Premier PLP…he will be able to draw the International Business we all need, get development up and going, fill the hotels and turn it all around.
” I will take you all out!”
And if enough people believe that to elect him then we can all go down the road to ruin together!
These people have been reading to much of Comrade Starlings forwards/comments.
The double censure is clearly an unfotunate turn of events since it definitely sends the wrong message to young people, disruptive teen agers and young adults, plus our seniors.
MP. Bean undoubtedly has facts to support his position (as has been proven in the past). My hope is that he remains mindful of the ‘big picture’ that is Bermuda.
Speaker Horton did make a fundamental mistake on Friday and I assume the Bermuda taxpayer has funded the cost of his legal advice over the weekend. Some will say he did not outright apologise but in ‘parliamentary speak’ he has acknowledged his error.
One question I have is what happens to the vote from Friday? Do they revert and discuss the matter to come to a conclusion or will the erroneous amended motion by MP Moniz stand?
The motion to cenusre Bean will be interesting since OBA will have to prove what was said and intended. If there is a voluminous release of information similar to the recent ‘jetgate’, Bermuda is in for a bloody nose tonight.
Final question? How do you have a motion to censure the Speaker? Does he enter into the Chamber and let the Deputy Speaker Chair? What happens during the actual vote? Who will be in the Chair and will they be allowed to vote? The numbers are already scarce and if the Speaker and Acting Speaker cannot vote, do we have a stalemate in the making? Are any MPs absent or otherwise unable to attend tonight?
All of your questions will be answered by the Standing Orders Committee to whom the Speaker has referred this matter to.
I am under the impression that the motion to censure the speaker will be done on Wednesday or when the House next meets.
The amendment would have passed whatever had been discussed. The plp might have spoke against it but it would have passed. The plp motion would have failed.
Will somebody censure the OBA please!? Let’s just get it all out there!
Why?
Why not! Maybe the whole thing will just implode.
Why would anyone be surprised. They have had fist fights between themselves. Nothing surprises me, as to what children will do. Time to grow up and “act” like adults. You cannot seriously think this is the way to run a country. PLP, time to vote for a new leader.
the island would be better off removing some of those in power
We did.
@ jt
Boom!!
Yes, yes we did (thank goodness) Lol
Can somebody check for longtails… summer where are you? 36 Bermudians on the hill, lightning up the house, driving us crazy, even Mr.Speaker agree.
Vote for Me.
Chris Furbert will have the last word.
He always does.
I see a lot of oba thots on this site everyday that do nothing but thumbs down everything plp even if there right I mean come on people grow up & know when the people you voted for are wrong same goes for the plp voters just grow up seriously
Well said…have another drink!
I quote a letter in response to “Yettb” submitted by I Bacon:
“Randy Horton’s ability to apologize demonstrates that he stands head and shoulders above many of the politicians with whom he has to deal. Frankly, Yettb, your suggestion that he has an “O.B.A. package deal” is insulting and demeans yourself as well as Speaker Horton.”
It’s true, in reference to the way these “people” are carrying on. How are we, (Bermuda)to make headway when there are soooo many with soooo many insignificant complaints made and wasting important time in the “House” unless it is a ploy by them on the other side of the floor
I think that pendulum swings both ways.
@ann says: “Again, when are the PLP going to allow this country to get to work, the behavior of the PLP is deplorable, they are terrible role models for any young person. Please OBA tell the children they are not in power and get on with it, the majority of us want the country to move forward and are tired of hearing a whole pile of dribble”
Well Ann that’s what the PLP tried to do with clarifying the rules not followed by the Speaker. The people’s work. The OBA clearly were not doing the people’s work by missing this all important democratic process which the OBA don’t find important. Regarding acting like children, I refer you to Premier Dunkley dropping the F bomb on a hot mic. And they are casting blame on Mark now?
Please explain what Democratic process was breached? Refer to the Rules and tell us how it should have been? AND explain why the PLP invoked the same procedure over the past 16 years without any issue? Why?
I also recall a time the OBA all walked out when Marc started to speak in the HOA in solidarity over the Toni Daniels issue. A non governmental outside issue. PLP were trying to do the people’s business on Friday. OBA too quick to throw stones!!
Different All together really. OBA simply stood in kitchen while MB spoke. There was no vote or debate happening at the time
The PLP’s claim that their only reason for being is to topple an elected democratically government is just one more trait that they share with the USA’s Tea Party movement.
The other traits are intolerance of differing opinions, issuing threats, hating on immigrants, hating on gays and hating on others who do not look like them.
If Bean is so confident of his claims then he will not spew his allegations behind the cloak of parliamentary privilege.
It’s about time these clowns started to act like political figures with the interest of Bermuda at heart and stopped acting like 5th graders in the playground, I’m tired of listening to their constant stupid and offensive rhetoric
If they don’t censor the speaker are the PLP gonna stamp their feet, cry like baby’s and go home? Because that was not very professional, neither was the speaker.
Due to the numbers the speaker will not be censured and Marc Bean will be censured. The plp don’t win this one.
@Balanced Facts. ” Please explain what Democratic process was breached?”
Not allowing a debate on an important amendment before the vote. Not allowing MP Burt to be heard using his Parliamentary privilege. The Speaker himself said he made a mistake. If we are not going to follow the HOA rules which are part of our rules of governance which most likely got passed down from the UK for our democtratically elected Parliamentarians then why have them? Why use them? Let’s just chuck them all out shall we? Because clearly the OBA did not care at the time but voted anyway and no supporters here are bothering to address that. Had the PLP missed it they would be called the usual stereotypical names of being unintelligent, clueless, etc. I’m sure MP Burt’s “uppity” move incensed a lot of people I gather.
So…you have not cited any specific rule breach (look at r. 24 and r. 13 it may help you!) Nor have you had any answer for why this approach over the last 16 years was not an issue until Friday. Pettingal amended a motion by Zane Desilva a few weeks back in exactly the same way and NOBODY said BOO! Why not?
quite remarkabe – and i like Michael Scott but this is amazing – lets ASSUME for one moment that the speaker did get it wrong – so on that basis ought he to be censured? Put another way the next time Michael is in court and gets it wrong (i.e. he is ruled against) ought he to be disciplined by Bar Council?? People do get it wrong they do it every day – but simply being wrong is NOT a reason for censure!!!
And the EMMY goes to Marc Bean and David Burt for best actors in a reality series:
‘THE SPEAKER THE HOODLUM AND THE PAWN WHO TRIED TO BE KING’
My hat’s off to you, Mr. Speaker. You really do deserve a trophy for dealing with deceit all around you in both camps yet navigating the course with humility and integrity. You have to wonder if anarchy is really what the people would prefer.
Time for the Speaker to retire
Mark, I hope you know that if the PLP ever return to power, they will thank you for getting the young votes and then you will be kicked to the curb! They are not going to let you run the country. Remember how they had to deceive us. Poor Jennifer and Poor Alex. Ps. Then you can return to deep sea fishing like before. Remember the types of fish way out there? I do!!!!!!!!!
The only comment Mr Bean ever made that scared me,
was the time he threatened to become leader of the country.
While the Speaker said he would defer to the Standings Orders Committee Opposition Leader Marc Bean has called his position “untenable”
This is bulls—