OBA Responds To PLP On PRC Status Matter

July 30, 2014

The debate over Government’s recent decision to withdraw the appeal in the PRC status matter continues, with the OBA responding to recent comments made by Shadow Minister for Immigration and External Affairs Walton Brown.

Background

A May 2014 ruling by Chief Justice Kawaley essentially means that there is, under current legislation, a pathway to status for Permanent Residence Certificate [PRC] holders.

On June 6th an Opposition Bill seeking to amend the Bermuda Immigration and Protection Act 1957 was defeated in the House of Assembly, and on June 12th, Attorney General Trevor Moniz said that Government has filed a legal appeal over the matter.

Earlier this month, Home Affairs Minister Michael Fahy said that the Ministry is withdrawing the appeal in the PRC status matter and “the avenue to Bermuda status for certain PRC holders that was created by the previous government in 2001 will stand.”

The Minister said that immigration records indicate that 1,455 PRCs are potentially eligible for status, and while they not know exactly how many children of these PRC holders are eligible for status, they “believe the number is minimal – possibly a few hundred.”

On July 25th, a march was held — spearheaded by the People’s Campaign and Bermuda Trade Union Congress — allowing people to “let their voices be heard” on the matter.

OBA Responds

An OBA spokesperson said, “We welcome Walton Brown’s statement today, for it signals a change in the Progressive Labour Party’s position.”

“Until now, they have been adamant that any granting of status was a red line issue for them. Now, Mr Brown is talking about whether there is an optimum number of PRCs or grants of Bermuda status that should be part of a new approach to immigration, arising from a comprehensive review. This is a change of his position, a very positive sign, and we should say that it forms part of our own review of immigration regulations.

“Like Mr Brown, we understand that immigration policy is an important, complex matter. We agree that we need to examine the rights and privileges granted to Bermudians, PRC holders and other long-term residents and a policy fit for Bermuda in the 21st Century must be developed.

“However, we do not agree with Mr Brown, as we have said many times before, that we can take some measure that would thwart the grant of status to the people affected by the present legislation, as amended by the PLP and as interpreted by the Chief Justice. Once done, it cannot be undone.

“It sounds good for Mr Brown to say, as he did, “We oppose the granting of status based on a judgement by the Chief Justice since our view is that policy changes should be the express will of the people through their elected representatives and not a court decision.”

“But he should know, as any legislator does, that while changes are fine for the future… they cannot be made to re-order the past. We cannot undo what has already been done.”

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  1. Justin says:

    So there is the answer before the 7 day deadline – the OBA isn’t going to change their position on granting status to PRC’s.

    Have a great Cup Match everyone :-)

    • Rick Rock says:

      Or, stated differently, the OBA is in fact powerless to change the law passed by the PLP which granted status to some people with PRC’s.

    • Softy says:

      We will find another law that states “if the people to whom payment was given at Tuckers’ Town are aggrieved”, they will be given their land back. Do you think that would be implemented or amended? Parliament is supreme and can decide what to do as it could with the status issue knowing that they were repeatedly told that PRC would not and could not lead to status. Watch and you will see more instances as indeed Parliament is always amending laws:deleting clauses or rewording them or updating. Happens all the time.

      • Creamy says:

        If laws like this are retroactively changed “all the time” it makes you wonder why the Chief Justice of the Supreme Court didn’t see it that way.
        He could have looked at this blog. There are about 3 anonymous people here who think it’s pretty routine to retroactively change laws, to “suspend” laws on a whim, and to deny people their legal rights. It’s such a surprise that the Chief Justice sees it differently.

  2. Raymond Ray says:

    We thank you O.B.A. for placing all cards face up. Now hopefully we (Bermudians) can move on to more important matters like, ” finding out where all the unaccounted for dollars have gone as well as how are we going to pay off our debts” :-(

    • sonso says:

      Pay off the debt with the missing $800m!

    • Ian says:

      Hey Ray… Do us all a favor and list what the OBA has done to directly benefit “we Bermudians” to date. Feel free to warm up with listing what they have done to directly benefit non-Bermudians first, as that is a MUCH easier challenge!

      • Raymond Ray says:

        To Ian,(and Robert below): First, inform everyone to who you both are and then just maybe I will elaborate…Until then I have no-more to say / write in response to either of you. Got it?

        • Ian says:

          Deflect away Ray… Deflect away. btw the same challenge above stands for all of your anti-Bermudian compadres on this blog.

      • Wazzzzz Up says:

        @Ian.. how about you list what the PLP did to help Bermudians in 14 years? Let me help you.

        Economy – worse
        Unemployment – worse
        Crime – worse
        Serious Crime (Murders) – worse
        Education system – worse
        National Debt – worse
        Labour Relations – worse
        International Companies register – worse
        Health – worse

        In fact Ian why don’t you enlighten us and let us know what the PLP did in 14 years that improved things for Bermudians, or anyone for that matter.

        In fact Ian

        • Ian says:

          Your list of PLP “accomplishments” is ridiculous. You really think I’m going to forget the fact Bermuda experienced the highest rate of growth EVER under the PLP. Do I attribute that to something special they did? No.. not necessarily. And thats because I’m not stupid enough to believe that the larger forces driving prosperity and demise here bend to the will of our extremely small time almost-hick-town politicians – PLP nor OBA/UBP. Per your list however, compare Bermuda to the US, UK, Spain, Italy, Greece, Japan, Argentina, and many others. And use your brain by starting post 2k8. Common theme? Economies = worse, Unemployment = worse, National Debt = worse, Company start ups = worse. As for Crime, you’re really gonna blame that on the PLP?? If so you can’t be taken seriously. Labour relations… been pretty pretty bad over the past 18 months to say the least. Don’t really get where you’re going with the health thing but if I recall correctly there were some pretty disturbing write ups in the press the other day regarding the role 3rd world healthcare [CURRENTLY IN PLACE UNDER THE OBA] contributed to the misdiagnosis of a young woman’s colon cancer as hemorrhoids!!! So stop with your gullible, naive, OBA-can-do-no-wrong BS, because fewer and fewer people are sipping on that!

      • Nitty Gritty says:

        Hey Ian..it’s not what your country can do for you – its what you SHOULD BE DOING FOR YOUR COUNTRY.
        If you are serious which I guess you are then I say to you , you represent the lazy the sloppy the entitled the spoilt and the downright stupid., who cant get out of their own way. you are are probably one of the 35 hour work weeks who wonders why he cant get ahead! News flash.. grown men who work 60 hour weeks get ahead, cope with the way the economy is (thanks to the last lot of numbnuts who thought they could run a country)
        I am embarassed for us all to know the titans of international business end up seeing what guys like you write. You survive only because of foreign capital. What exactly has been your contribution here?/ The plp utterly destroyed the Island in every way and you have the nerve to ask “what have the OBA done for me lately”!!

    • Robert says:

      Shut the heck up raymond, because the oba will do nothing wrong in your eyes, you must have benefited from the old boys organization.

      • Wazzzzz Up says:

        And the PLP can do nothing wrong in your eyes? At least under the OBA we don’t have $800 million unaccounted for.

        I therefore must assume that you benefited from the PLP friends and Family program.

        • Ian says:

          Funny how your OBA honchos are resigning left, right and center so as to distance themselves from the blatant, proven foulness of party practices yet nobody can deliver hard evidence on this 8 hundred million… Your welcome to keep up the “ass”umptions though. Not like theres any shortage of folks that fall in bucket of critical thinking on your side of the fence.

      • James Rego says:

        Robert: Raymond has come up through the school of hard knocks and he endured more than you can imagine. He never asked for handouts or received many hand ups. Through shear perseverance, he has accomplished more than you will ever know and I for one am very proud of him.

        • Raymond Ray says:

          Thanks mate :-)
          “Sometimes people must go through hell in order to enter into heaven” It’s unfortunate that many are like an ostrich, sticking its head below ground level thinking no-one sees them…That is what those that hide behind fictitious names truly believe. Sad yes, but true :-(

  3. Ian says:

    “We cannot undo what has already been done.” except when we want to like we did on the WaterFront lease… So full of it.

    • Creamy says:

      So you’re a constitutional lawyer now?

    • sonso says:

      The waterfront issue was a not a law, it was a lease. There is quite a bit of difference between leases and laws.

      • Ian says:

        Now thats what you call grasping at straws lol!

        • hmmm says:

          No , that is what you call facts. Those things you are prone to either ignore, or attempt to bring up to draw incompatible parallels.

          • Ian says:

            One again… nothing to contribute from hmmm…

      • Real talk (original) says:

        Um. A lease is a legal contract.

        • sonso says:

          Again, a legal contract is still now a law!

        • New Bermudian says:

          A contract isn’t a law. The contract is protected under the law, there are always consequences for breaking that contract. For instance, if an employee under a contract is wrongfully terminated, then that’s breaking a contract, and labour laws govern the consequences, but the contract is not itself the law. This is different. Those people applied for status under a law, not a policy or a conditional contract. No matter how that law is amended, even if done this instant, those people applied under that law. The law as of that date applies to those individuals. Amendment of the law will affect those going forward, but not for right now. Laws don’t change retroactively. That would be impossible.

    • hmmm says:

      Ian is clutching at straws.

      • sonso says:

        Remind you of any political group??

        • hmmm says:

          PLP

          • Ian says:

            Your comments are soooo though provoking hmmm…. as usual… not…

            • jt says:

              So you agree that under the current legislation those who are eligible for status will be granted status even if the law is ammended.
              As for moving forward from there both the PLP and the OBA appear to be in agreement that immigration reform is necessary. Let’s hope that happens.

              • Ian says:

                jt you sincerely believe there is something you can say that will change the views of [I would say are] the majority of Bermudians on this island toward this little game the OBA is playing to bolster its voting base.

                You can fiddle with “technicalities” all you want. Does nothing to stop the people from seeing what is going on here. So feel free to preach on the perceived limitations of what the OBA can do at this point. Always sad when folks waste their intelligence on naivety…

                • Creamy says:

                  The law isn’t a “technicality”.

                • Anon says:

                  What’s going on here…is you’ve been baffled by PLP bullcrap rather than facts again. They (PLP) caulked up again and instead of man-ing up an owning they twist the facts to suit their needs. Everyone agrees..we need Immigration reform so what are you so mad about then?

                  • Ian says:

                    yeah anon… I’m so “baffled” and have no clear thoughts on the obvious bs being pulled by the OBA government… and anyone else who speaks against it is baffled too… just a bunch of blind sheep who don’t get it and need to behave right?

                • jt says:

                  Nothing to add…same you accuse hmmm of.

      • jt says:

        Ian..outline the avenue available to the government (any party) that would allow the law to be amended such that PRC holders could then be retroactively denied status.

        • Creamy says:

          Their only option is to close their eyes, smile, and really really wish for it. Because if you really really wish for something, sometimes dreams do come true. I’ve seen this in animated movies a few times.

          I know it’s lame, but it’s their only option at this point.

          • Ian says:

            Keep comforting yourself with that thought and observe closing, gasping at the events in months ahead… You really think real Bermudians are going to just stand by and lets this UBP government arrogantly play out their little game? Really?

            • Creamy says:

              A threat. The last resort, when you have lost the argument on its merits.

              • Ian says:

                Not a threat… Simply the anticipated response of average Bermudians to a blatant disregard of their concerns by a government that acts on the basis people are complete fools who aren’t capable of seeing through their [already predicted] agenda. This stuff is nothing new on this island. Just new window dressing by a party who’s original UBP legacy was built on a campaign of deception against a segment of this community.

                • Creamy says:

                  “Average Bermudians”? Which is code for what, exactly? A bit like “real Bermudians”?

        • Ian says:

          jt… who’s talking about denying people status?

          • Creamy says:

            Um, you are Ian.
            Did you start on the rum early?

            • Ian says:

              And on THAT note, you just lost all credibility… moving along. Go back to writing your anti-Obama wisecracks ultra-rightwing-Cream…

              • Creamy says:

                I actually gave a pro-Obama example of how people get things completely and utterly wrong. It was obviously a bit over your head. But don’t let the facts get in the way of your silly immature hate speech.

      • James Rego says:

        I honestly believe Ian simply doesn’t understand. You have to give him the benefit of doubt.

    • haha says:

      You and your team (plp) are full of it…..always trying to twist and push lies

      • Ian says:

        Keep guzzling the OBA Kool Aid..

      • LOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOL says:

        Actually, it can be undone, OBA just chooses not to undo it. There is a difference my friend.

        Besides Bermuda has a history of amending laws to better suit the people of Bermuda. Just have a look in our law books and you will see many changes over the years.

        So for the OBA spokesperson to say “We cannot undo what has already been done” is either a blatant lie or an inoccent blunder.

        • Crab Mentality says:

          LOL at LOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOL!

          Lie or blunder? Let me make it simple for you: PLP made a rule against themselves. You understand now? Lemme know if you still can’t see the big picture…or just continue LOLing! LOL

          • Ian says:

            Sorry Crab Cakes… but the majority of Bermudians are clearly not going to accept that lame justification for giving status to foreigners through the dishonest, dishonorable, insulting approach the OBA is looking to take. This government and folks like you are in for a serious wake up call.

            • This sounds kinda Xenophobic says:

              oh yeah we here in Bermuda are nonna all dat are..

              Don’t give them foreigners anything—ahem–all OUR ancestors were foreginers once–

              Jingas!

              Thank goodness this menatlity will not pass to the younger voters who will see the rhetoric for what it is.

              Have a blessed Cup match and Go St. Georges!!!!!!

              • Ian says:

                I am the “younger generation” and we are very clued in to this islands sickening past as well as the remnants of it still surrounding us today. This kind of awareness comes with being raised in an information age and such…

                People like you dream of a day we forget our history and lose sight of the undercurrents driving, for example, the advancements of a certain segment of our community through the deceptive, dishonorable practices of governments like the UBP and OBA.

                Well guess what? While the universe remains in a state of imbalance the “rhetoric” will NEVER go away. And in his information age, the expectation is it will GROW LOUDER.

                Sorry if day deeya makes sleepin at night a lil harda for you poppa…

            • Ringmaster says:

              @Ian. You are of course referring to the law passed by the PLP Government in 2001. I repeat, a law passed by the PLP Government. Not the UBP or OBA. It cannot by law be undone. It can only be amended on a going forward basis, but that doesn’t and cannot stop those PRC eligible as the law stands to apply for status. The law is the law. Ask the Chief Justice, or the PLP Shadow AG.

              • Ian says:

                Yeah Ringmaster… the ole “while the intent the of legislation was clear, the PLP made us [OBA] do ABSOLUTELY NOTHING about this” spin is played out at this time… Sorry but nobody is buying that so stop insulting peoples intelligence as if you genuinely do not understand the foulness here. Frankly I find it very difficult to respect any self-proclaimed real Bermudian that supports the OBA on how they have handled this. And I would question the character of any PRC-holder that feels comfortable holding the head up in public after gaining access to the vote IN MY COUNTRY [without losing it in theirs in exchange] through a path of deception and political trickery.

                • Creamy says:

                  The PLP knew full well about the issue in 2012 and DID NOTHING about it.
                  I guess you must be questioning their character too, since they passed it in the first place.
                  But people of your ilk like to blame others, don’t you.

        • sonso says:

          Ammendments to laws happen all the time. The fact is that you cannot deny those who have LEGALLY applied for status under this law, regardless if you (read PLP) like the law or not. And what is more, the law was drafted and passed under PLP leadership! Go figure them apples!!

          What the OBA can do is ammend the law so that no other persons can LEGALLy apply for status. But it sounds like immigration reform is the way forward and i hope the PLP are willing to participate.

          Walton and Co are beating an empty drum. Those who have applied for status will get status, point blank.

          And there, you, have the difference, my friend.

        • Creamy says:

          No they can’t. You are completely wrong. But go ahead, you just make yourself look uninformed. You’re like the Obama Birthers, who ended up just looking plain stupid.

          • Ian says:

            Look at that… a delusional, ultra right wing, neo conservative weighing in on Bermuda’s issues… People like you loooove the OBA

            • Hamma says:

              New Bermudian says it best and ACCURATELY—-see above

              A contract isn’t a law. The contract is protected under the law, there are always consequences for breaking that contract. For instance, if an employee under a contract is wrongfully terminated, then that’s breaking a contract, and labour laws govern the consequences, but the contract is not itself the law. This is different. Those people applied for status under a law, not a policy or a conditional contract. No matter how that law is amended, even if done this instant, those people applied under that law. The law as of that date applies to those individuals. Amendment of the law will affect those going forward, but not for right now. Laws don’t change retroactively. That would be impossible.

        • hmmm says:

          @LOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOL

          So If we change the law for max speed down to 10mph, we can then go back and convict anyone and fine them for exceeding the speed limit for each year the were in posession of a vehicle.

          No you can’t do that. See how it works now.

        • jt says:

          Lol… outline the avenue available to the government (any party) that would allow the law to be amended such that PRC holders could then be retroactively denied status.

        • Wrong says:

          LOLOLO – Amending a law prospectively (i.e., going forward) is quite legal and common. Doing so retroactively (i.e., going backward) is not legal.

    • James Rego says:

      That was a “lease” not a “law”.

    • Nitty Gritty says:

      and if they hadnt stopped that dubious venture, you would be kicking …. because the country ended up bailing them out after they wrecked the entire harbour with ANOTHER $50 million over budget mismanagement to go with TCD, Courthouse, Berkeley, Dockyard Pier,BHC, and every other project they feathered nests with, but you arent interested in all that right, way too much for your head huh, ‘this too shall pass’ club?

  4. Well Done Walton and OBA says:

    This is a very mature approach–which deals with the issue, looks to the furture for re-calibration of the legislation and most importanlty allows everyone to save face.

    Let’s look and move forward for the benefits of the country and the children who will inherit these cahllenges.

    There are young voters in the wings that are watching this and they are more modern in their view to issues!

  5. JH says:

    Apple and Oranges Ian. Breaking a lease is not the same as changing a law. But don’t let common sense get in your way – you never did in the past.

    • somuchless says:

      Ian ain’t got to sense.

      • Ian says:

        Wow… 5 likes for that comment alone! Really puts the value of support for pro-OBA-can-do-no-wrong commenters into perspective huh! lol

    • Evie says:

      Sooooo now they have something to say typical OBA SMDH making up shiet as they go along whatever

      • jt says:

        Clearly you haven’t been paying attention. The OBA chose to find out what legal avenues they might have and once this was known they made the only decision available and that is exactly what they have relayed to the public. The PLP have dispersed inaccurate and untrue information from the beginning…and have waivered from their position as the facts have become known…”red line” ring a bell?

        • Ian says:

          The OBA chose to appeal because [knowing it would stand] because not doing so would have been political suicide. They then chose not to work to amend legislation to bring it in sync with the CLEAR INTENT. That second choice by the way is after they campaigned on not granting status to PRC-holders… And I don’t know why I even bother explaining simple, blatant observations to you jt because you clearly have the blinders duck taped to your face; either do to upbringing, ethnicity, nationality or a mix. Because fact is, it is only a certain profile of folks that approve of the OBAs shady practices on this topic.

          • Ringmaster says:

            This is getting repetitive. The OBA has no choice in this matter. They could pass all the laws the PLP want and all that will happen is that the lawyers will make a killing fighting the law, and the law will stay as it is, and certain PRC holders can apply for status. The only reason a certain segment of Bermuda’s population, using your vernacular, are angry and confused is because the PLP have lied to them. I can’t blame them for the anger, but direct it to those who have created the lies and mischief, the PLP.

          • Creamy says:

            What “certain profile”, Ian? What assumptions are you making, exactly?

            • Ian says:

              I’m sure you could guess on a first try Creamy… and then follow it up with terms like racist… xenophobe… anti-foreigner.

              They’re not assumptions… Its what we all know as fact on this island. That same group I reference are typically the ones most in denial about that for some strange reason.

              • Creamy says:

                So I was right. An assumption based on race. A profile. Got it.
                It”s ok when you do it, as always.

          • jt says:

            Again Ian..outline the course of action you know that provides retroactive effects.

          • just sayin says:

            racist much?

            That’s sounds like plantation talk Ian.

          • jt says:

            Another wa ov viewing things Ian might be that the PLP knew full well the consequences of their error (if it was an error)and are now quite happy to be able to portray the OBA as the bad guys. That’s just as simpla a view as your take – neither conspiracy theory may be right or worng and I don’t expect you would know any better then me.
            All you need to do is outline the course of action the OBA can legally take to change the law such that PRC holders no longer have an avenue to stauts – which is what the PLP are requesting. You portray yourself as being in the know so let’s hear it. If you provide it your theory takes on some weight.
            As for the last two sentences of your post I won’t comment other than to say your this portion of your comment is more revealing of you than me.

          • Keepin' it Real...4Real! says:

            the same can be said about either party followers so really your argument is a mute cause. im kinda tired of hearing how oba followers are this or that …the same rhethoric goes for the plp followers

    • Ian says:

      Apples and Oranges… Guess what genius!? They didn’t break a lease, THEY PASSED A BILL THAT CREATED AN AVENUE THROUGH WHICH THEY COULD OVERTURN THE LEASE… Its sooooo hilarious the denial you people are in!!

      • Creamy says:

        Ian, you’re shouting.
        Just close you’re eyes and really really wish, Ian. It might work. Nothing else has, so it’s worth a try.

        • Ian says:

          Thanks for your thoughts Creamy… super insightful…

          • Creamy says:

            Glad to offer a comment you can understand.

  6. i and i says:

    Our gene pool requires new genetics periodically , gone are the days of innept social skills and the only girl you can relate to are your relations! It is no longer keeping it in the family time at the bank , uniting and procreation requires sentient forthought and consideration….or just name your child “Whoops”, and be done with it….or “UUUuuuuuuUUUhhhhhh……!” , now let’s be honest…..or “uh ohhhhh!”……or “JJJJjjjjJjjingas!”, Geneology requires prc status now and then!……they are not de ten commandments!

    • Ian says:

      Hands down one of the dumbest things of read all year…

  7. Bermuda Bouy says:

    PLP / BIU, where did all the money go?
    OBA, please find out for us.

    • LOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOL says:

      Dead issue.

      • Like the land grab issue my dea lolololol? says:

        That was a dead issue and POW riases from the dead..

        Maybe the missing dosh over the past administration’s tenure will come back to haunt…

        hummm..

        If I were a betting person–I would lay odds on that one raising from its slumber.

        What a show that is going to be!

      • Barracuda says:

        No it’s not.

      • Creamy says:

        Very much a live issue.

    • Hamma says:

      The truth about the 800M will start to come out a year or so b4 the next election. Why would the OBA do it any sooner?

      • Hamma says:

        Further – all this drivel from the PLP re land grabs, jetgate, recalling the guv, etc, etc, and whatever they can come up with next is designed to ultimately, HOPEFULLY, DESPERATELY lead to a no confidence vote PRIOR to the run up to the next election. The PLP leadership knows EXACTLY what they will be up against if they can’t do it b4 then.

  8. Kangoocar says:

    I will translate the latest plp position ” we the plp after behaving rather silly and now finally coming to terms with the fact that the OBA cannot overrule a law that we created, has now decided to make it appear we are acting a little nicer to all the non Bermudians that we have treated terrible over the years , in a desperate hope of them forgetting and possibly voting for us, but please don’t tell our supporters that came out and marched because we have already fooled them many times already!!! ” See plp, that wasn’t so hard was it?? The truth is always better than deceit, you just haven’t fully learned that yet!!!!

    • LOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOL says:

      They can amend the law.

      • Crab Mentality says:

        Indeed they can – to fit their motives!

      • Creamy says:

        Nope. They can’t.

        • hmmm says:

          They can change the laws going forward, but can’t undo what was law and has been acted on, because it was the law then.

      • jt says:

        Lol…outline the avenue available to the government (any party) that would allow the law to be amended such that PRC holders could then be retroactively denied status.

      • Wrong says:

        LOLOLO – the can amend the law going forward. That doesn’t affect any of those PRC’s that have applied.

        • Creamy says:

          It also would not affect anyone who was given the right to status in the 2001 law, whether or not they have applied yet. You can’t retroactively take away that right.

          • Ian says:

            Your desperate shrills define how you are Creamy. Conservatives of America called… they want you back!

            • jt says:

              Is Creamy wrong?

            • Creamy says:

              Ah. I see. Because I state what the law is, I am “delusional right wing”. gotcha.

              Ok Ian, if you close your eyes and really really wish for it, maybe a miracle will happen. Sometimes all you gotta do is just want it. Just make that wish, Ian. You never know.
              It’s really the only chance you’ve got at this point.

              • Ian says:

                Oh yeah Creamy… Average Bermudians are just gonna let this ride out quietly… and life here for foreigners, privileged whites and PRC-holders [slash "paper Bermudians"] will be soooo much easier as the ill sentiments towards them continues building at an alarming rate. What I don’t wish for is what tends to happen in these situations once the powder keg as finally blown… But, crack jokes all you want; easy when you’re living in la la land.

                • jt says:

                  Fefine “avrrage”.

                • Creamy says:

                  Another threat. Classy.

                • Rick Rock says:

                  We’re actually a democracy. We are not ruled by a mob of 400-500 that goes out once every couple of weeks for to advance a thinly-veiled agenda that is anti-foreigner and anti-white. I can see you have no problem making threats of violence if your mob doesn’t get its way.

                  History is not on your side. The law is not on your side. And the majority of all Bermudians are not on your side.

                  • Ian says:

                    Tell me about the OBA’s “agenda” Rick and who it has served the interests of first and foremost despite being a BERMUDIAN government. And I can assure you the majority of Bermudians are on my side as it relates to the growing recognition of the OBA’s foul practices. No delusions there.

                • Rick Rock says:

                  By the way, when you use the pejorative term “paper Bermudians”, presumably Tweed is included in that label?

                • Come Correct says:

                  You making threats?

                  • Ian says:

                    Nope… simply stating the things folks [perhaps including yourself] are already thinking and sensing are on the horizon. Don’t pretend to be surprised people on both side are processing the worst case scenarios, hopefully in the interests if avoiding it. Our history forces those who remember to consider these things.

                    • Keepin' it Real...4Real! says:

                      if you think you are suffering now…go ahead and watch history repeat itself.

                • Nitty Gritty says:

                  With all the war and chaos going on in the world which you must not get, watching ‘As the World Turns’ nightly, you would think there are serious issues to be dealt with before the Island worries about what you deem so worthy of insurrection. Quite pathetic really, especially considering you are well outvoted by the population. It is NOT being decided by Race contrary to what you believe. There were but a few hundred people supporting all that you feel is not fair! I will stake my life on the fact that there are more Bermudians who know what the PLP did, know what they are doing now, and will not support this cack handed attempt to sow racial division and dare I say, nationalistic fervor!
                  People want their jobs back, financial security and a sense of hope. How many jobs are you creating? How many hotels re you and your friends rebuilding? In fact please tell us what you are contributing since we now know what you hope to take.

  9. Crab Mentality says:

    Another one bites the dust!

  10. Ringmaster says:

    Any law can be amended, but you cannot make it retroactive. That means the law applicable to status can be changed “today” but it cannot take away what was legislated in 2001. Therefore anyone who fulfilled the requirements of the law regarding PRCs and seeking status as it was written in 2001, which was itself an amendment, will still receive the benefits.
    By the way the PLP were aware of this issue in mid 2012 when the original applications were made by the 2 persons who received status this year. Why didn’t they make the same noises back in 2012 and demand marches?

  11. JH says:

    I heard – from a very reliable source, that there’s going to be an impromptu (complete surprise) demonstration at Cup Match on Friday. They are aiming to get 11,000 signatures. Yes, I laughed at that bit too.

    • Creamy says:

      Even if they got 100,000 “impromptu”signatures, the law can’t be changed retroactively.

  12. js says:

    Bermuda is caught in a struggle between those who have too much to lose and those who have nothing to lose

    the average Bermudian who fits squarely within the middle has probably already left the island or has contingency plans to leave the island

    PRCs who in all probability likewise fit with in the middle are here to stay and have unfortunately found themselves caught up in this mess

  13. Alvin Williams says:

    The anti-Bermudian OBA government has spoken and that is to carry on it’s path of putting in place more policies that adversely effect the people of Bermuda. The next phases of the battle beckons. We must learn the lessons; we must put the interests of or our supporters first; the OBA government has made no pretence; it has put the interests of their political supporters first.
    No amount of slick television promotions as that put on by the OBA and it’s leader will obscure their real aim and that is to politically emasculate the people of Bermuda. No attempt to co-opt the real historical events that point to the just struggle of Black Bermudians towards freedom such as the end of slavery and the glorious martyrdom of our mother Sally Bassett will in any way convince us that there is real genuineness here.We must continue to mobilize our people that insure that victory for the Bermuda people will be attained.

    • sandgrownan says:

      OK – I admit I was taken in – this HAS to be satire?

      The grammatical errors and spelling mistakes are a nice tough. I’d give it a solid 8 out 10.

      • Ian says:

        Alvin, this is why they are a lost cause. They’re pretty much programmed to deny the truth so has to avoid the inconvenience of being burdened with guilt. It doesn’t matter how eloquent a fashion you present the truth in, they are just as effective as their forefathers at not processing it.

        • Creamy says:

          “Programmed to deny the truth”?
          You’re making racist comments now.
          We know what that makes you.

  14. Left arm spinner says:

    Give those PRC people status,they deserve it.

  15. i and i says:

    Respondence lends creedence,never approach a bull from the front,a horse from the rear,or a fool from any dirrection.

  16. MAKE MY DAY says:

    The Brit FCO would have said… What you see – is what you get (how many times are you going to try and “flog” this dead horse-to-death)!!!

    I’d really like to bring a lot of you Bermudians over to my inner-city Ghetto neighborhoods in the fabulous USA (Chicago – Detroit – DC – Memphis etc etc – so you can have a first-hand l@@k at how exciting it is…If you can stay alive!!!!

    What is really wrong with you people…. Is your DNA that different – that you should be treated differently??? How does your Brain work!!! That is it for me!!!

    • Raymond Ray says:

      @Make My Day: No-one would believe the majority here on this 21 squire mile Island are of “mixed blood” :-( What are they to do, “them who find themself between a rock and a hard spot” e.g. having different skin coloured parents or forefathers/mothers? It’s so ridiculous that and Island this size with approximately 60,000 citizens can /do find the most silliest things to bicker about…Yet we do :-(

  17. Left arm spinner says:

    Just give them status and hurry with it. Our economy needs boosting and we most move quickly to stop the slide.