Marc Bean: ‘Better Party Than Ten Months Ago’
The Progressive Labour Party has learned from their experience and are a better Party today than they were ten months ago, PLP Leader Marc Bean said this evening [Oct 23].
Ten months ago the PLP were ousted from power, with the One Bermuda Alliance taking a 19-17 victory at the polls to end the PLP’s term after 14 years.
The Opposition Leader was speaking at the Party’s Conference, which got underway this evening at BIU Headquarters.
On October 24th the conference moves to Devonshire Rec, and on October 26th they will host their Banquet at the Fairmont Hamilton Princess. Like the One Bermuda Alliance Conference which was held a few days ago, the event was not open to the press.
Mr Bean said, “We have learned from our experiences, grown from our experiences, and as a result, we are a better Party today than we were just 10 months ago.
“We have to continued to stand against those who believe that Bermudians shouldn’t come first in our own country, who don’t believe that people who work hard and obey the law should have the chance to earn a livable wage, have access to affordable housing, or hope for a better future for their children.
“Our Parliamentary team have done more than criticize. As Opposition, we have brought forward new ideas and new solutions to better our people.
“Earlier in the year, we held a series town hall meetings and events to ensure that we remain connected with our people, in touch with the needs of the people, and are listening to the voice and will of the people.
“We have revealed what the OBA is as an institution. We have exposed them for breaking their promises, for being focused on everyone else but Bermudians, and worst of all, for having no plan to turn the condition of our people around.
“We must treat each other with dignity and respect, and show that we have learned the lesson taught on December 17th, 2012,” continued Mr Bean.
“It is with those who would seek to reduce you, your family and your neighbours to second class citizens in our own country, that we must contend with, in order to have real progress and harmony in our country.”
Mr Bean’s full speech follows below:
In just one year both our Party and our island have been through much, overcome much and grown much.
We have moved from being the Government to Opposition. We have seen Members such as Dame Jennifer Smith, Patrice Minors, Dale Butler, and our former Leader Paula Cox ousted from their seats by the OBA.
We have seen the holding of a special delegates conference where you the delegates of the PLP appointed me as your leader.
Today our Bermuda Progressive Labour Party is stronger, more cohesive and more focused on the people.
We have embraced the position that working for the empowerment of Bermudians, and expanding our people’s opportunities for entrepreneurship and jobs, is more important than in fighting, backbiting, titles, and positions of authority.
We have learned from our experiences, grown from our experiences, and as a result, we are a better Party today than we were just 10 months ago.
We have to continued to stand against those who believe that Bermudians shouldn’t come first in our own country, who don’t believe that people who work hard and obey the law should have the chance to earn a livable wage, have access to affordable housing, or hope for a better future for their children.
Our maturation as a Party and as a people is ongoing, but we are seeing positive results, new faces, and new ideas, combining with experience and wisdom of our stalwart Elders. We are coming together, we are growing, and we will continue to become a better, more efficient Party.
Our Parliamentary team have done more than criticize. As Opposition, we have brought forward new ideas and new solutions to better our people. Earlier in the year, we held a series town hall meetings and events to ensure that we remain connected with our people, in touch with the needs of the people, and are listening to the voice and will of the people.
We have revealed what the OBA is as an institution. We have exposed them for breaking their promises, for being focused on everyone else but Bermudians, and worst of all, for having no plan to turn the condition of our people around.
While our numbers in Parliament are smaller than we would like, and the media coverage of the great work we are doing is far less than we like, the fact is we have defeated the OBA on 3 bills.
We have worked with the OBA where possible, provided solutions where appropriate, and have fought on your behalf, always.
Our MPs and Senators have exceeded all expectations and continue to work for you. Their professionalism and excellence in preparation and presentation, makes me proud to serve alongside them.
The goal at its core, is to continue to listen and welcome those who stuck with the PLP in 2012, and reconnect with the people that lost faith in us.
In re-connecting with our people, the impetus must come from everyone, not just MP’s, Party executive, or branches. I call on each of us to give what we can in terms of time, expertise, intellect and labour to make our Party as strong and effective as we all know it can be, and as the people deserve it to be.
We must remain vigilant and ensure that we do not turn back to the old ways that divided us, held us back, and made us less effective in working for Bermudians.
As we grow and evolve, there will be new people amongst us….people who don’t know our ways, maybe don’t know our history, but know that they believe as we do; in a Bermuda that works for everyone.
Let us not dissuade their enthusiasm, but rather, let us be willing to listen without judgement, embrace new ideas, share our wisdom, and work together for the good of Bermuda and the Progressive Labour Party.
We must treat each other with dignity and respect, and show that we have learned the lesson taught on December 17th, 2012.
It is with those who would seek to reduce you, your family and your neighbours to second class citizens in our own country, that we must contend with, in order to have real progress and harmony in our country.
It is with those who say they believe in openness, transparency ,and accountability, but do not exemplify it. It is with those who would stand in your way from being creative, innovative, doing for self and in creating opportunities for others.
This is the thinking we must contend with. Many hands, make light work. Stay focused on the task at hand.
- Full speech amended at 11.06pm
Not that hard Marc is it?
10 months ago,…bankrupt, incompetent.
Most of the people are the same, why should I trust you now?
People aren’t as stupid as they may think. Nobody is going to forget the terrible way the PLP ran this country. It’s laughable how anyone can think 14 years of terrible decisions (though they did do some good things) can be erased in a few months. I don’t think anyone should buy that. It’s scary if you think for one minute how much worse things would be right now if the PLP was allowed to continue the way they were running this country. Never again.
This guy sounds like a desperate loser. The PLP destroyed this country and all they can do is slag off the OBA. Why not try to work with the OBA instead of just trying to grab power the whole bloody time. They can make a difference from the passenger seat, they just choose to be devisive.
Idiots
They are a power hungry institution, plain and simple.
Prior to last year’s election the PLP was well aware of the deficiencies of the Heritage Wharf with their Deputy Leader admitting, earlier this year, that the work should have been started in November 2012, but was postponed due to the repuational risk that it could have brought onto the Party just before the election. Power before people should be their motto.
Another example is the Oppostion’s most recent Minister of Education claiming that the public shool system is ‘thriving’ despite the fact that less than one third of graduates were able to attain a passing grade in the GCSEs sat in 2012. Selling our children short for political gain.
One last one, of the top of my head, is the Opposition’s most recent Tourism Minister claiming that the PLP’s Bazarian contract was cancelled, due to the leasee breaking the terms of the lease, but then turned around a day or so later and claimed he ‘misspoke.’ Only for the new Government to confirm that the former Minister was telling the truth in his original claims. Another lie.
Power before the people.
Well said Mr. Bean, thanks for moving us forward. Keep pushing out ideas and solutions to improve and empower our people. The “blame game” is the only weak card the OBAubp have to play, but there is NO movement towards effective solutions.
Folks are out of work, and hurting..and all we hear is who done it? Taking an easy escape out, but suggesting it is all the PLP fault, is merely a lie. The OBAupb are playing this card as they lack any PLAN to move Bermuda forward or to generate alternative Revenue sources. This is the key solution to move us ahead. Thanks PLP for looking at alternative ways to generate a third leg to our economy and thinking in bold terms of what is best for its people. Keep your heads up, and keep moving on, you have many that are looking and now following.
Trumpet- you always hear ‘who done it’ because you lot fail to accept and take responsibility for it, and on top of that you constantly expect the new guys to fix it overnight! Thats why it keeps coming back at you. Accept that it will take time for ANY group to come up with solutions, and stop making IB look like they will be the demise of jobs for Bermudians. Accept that we ALL need IB and that ‘chess’ moves need to be made now, and may take a long time to ripple out.
“The ‘blame game’ is the only weak card the OBAubp have to play”
It’s the only card they need to play. PLP was on course to ruin Bermuda, plain and simple, everyone knows it (why aren’t they still in power?) And your defense is… “Don’t blame us”. WHAT?
Amazing,
In 10 months we are better? So we should except in such a short period of time the Party that nearly destroyed Bermuda and left a mess for the current Government is better? Better than what?
But wait, the OBA have failed in that same time period? Enemies to the real Bermudian?
You can’t make this s*** up.
Why don’t you try working with; instead of against the Government on EVERY issue? You know; for the betterment of Bermuda? But then that would include ALL Bermuda and from your speech your Party is not interested in ALL Bermuda. Just the gullible ones that you continue to fool for votes brainwashing them with your 1960’s mind thought.
The OBA lied? Well so did the PLP…. So far the OBA’s lies have not destroyed Bermuda. I’ll give them the same chance I gave the PLP; which in hindsight was a mistake.
The OBA broke their promises and their first year isn’t even over. Why should we trust them?
The Oba Broke promises???You;ve got to be kiddin me. The PLP broke so many promises throughout their terrible reign it isn;t funny! Trust, we left those PLP fools in for 14 years, we gave them a chance, well the oBA deserves the same. Maybe if we allow them to Govern, we will reap the benefits.
LeBron I think about basket ball and in that game if your down in the first quarter it don’t mean that you loose the game on december17 2012 the oba gave the plp a time out even that the oba got the highest score it don’t mean that the plp will not be able to make a come back
De PLP/biu rolled their ankle on a 3 point attempt and snapped their achilles. Their future in ‘basketball’ is bleak..
Yea, now they just complain about exploding houses
Marc. was on the sherri show today and she did a fantastic job with her questions… Marc does not speak very well and you can hear the anger in his voice when the host asked him about drug testing !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
I think talk shows like Lopes, and Dacosta have come to and end….all they do is play music !!!!!! but Sherri is in a class of her own….
Bankrupt if that were true many more expatriate migrant workers would have fled this country; along with those Bermudians who now reside in the UK.
Incompetent all right because the former PLP government focus on other things and not the concern of it’s political base. Too many PLP politicians thought a little moderation was going to win them new political friends. Not so that why is the PLP political base stayed home and let this anti-Bermudian one term OBA government win the day. But lessons learn all the way around. A little time in the political wilderness is going to do us some good and next time both political leaders and political supporters will know where their political interests lie.
What is scary is that you believe your absolute nonsense.
Well said Mr. Williams once again. Many will not get it, but the reality is OBAubp have failed to hold true to any of its Pre-election promises. IT was therefore merely an election ploy to win the vote.
Where is the PLAN from the OBAubp to move Bermuda forward or to make the changes take place. Where are the 2000 jobs that folks are counting on, and now are out of work?
Where is there any thing in place to assist the average man or woman, seems to be more in place by this govt to assist the “HAVES” folks only. I think the OBAubp have done less as the govt, to improve the overall economy of Bermuda, as I do not see it.
Folks want Real solutions and a PLAN, and the OBAubp fail to do this, but rather continue to engage in playing their only weak card of blaming….REALLY…it is not working…folks are growing tried of it and now see the false promises are what the oBAupb are made up of.
You see Betty, this is why you have no credibility. You keep talking about ‘broken promises’ and ‘where are the 2,000 jobs’.
Let’s get it straight. Unemployment was practically unheard of in Bermuda until the PLP government. When the PLP took over in 1998, there was almost no unemployment. When it left office, thousands of Bermudians were already long-term unemployed. We can debate why, who was to blame, and all that, but unemployment came in a big way while the PLP were in charge.
Now onto the ‘broken promises’ you keep talking about. The OBA election promise was to create conditions that will allow the creation of 2,000 jobs DURING THE TERM OF OFFICE. In other words, there was no promise to create 2,000 instant jobs. Or to create them in a year. The OBA said they would create them in its first 5-year term.
Currently, Betty, we’re about 10 months into that 5-year term.
Betty is as thick as a post. She is one of those people who thinks just because she repeats something over and over that it is true, and that if she repeats it enough times her sheep will believe it too. This is what people do when they have nothing of substance to say.
STOP IT SUZIE, are your and other diehard, blind faithfulness followers suffering from “Short or LONG-TERM MEMORY DEFICITS? IT seems to be the case, or is it that you enjoy playing the DEFEND THE INDEFENSIABLE CARD?
Well I wish I could send you a copy of the OBAubp Platform Election Promises, also do you recall the Posters, and TV and newspaper ads. Please go back and carefully read the Pre-election materials send out to folks in their mail boxes. The Promises of the OBAupb were outlined.
The reality is the OBAubp indicated they can create 2000 jobs. Yes they would create the conditions, but also promised folks JOBS, JOBS< and more jobs…so do not attempt to give the OBAubp a free pass now, to escape from their election promises. Folks voted based upon such a promised. Are you now saying they are not trust worthy? This so far has not taken place, they are way off the mark.
Recall the letter to the CS, WE WILL KEEP YOUR JOBS? Guess that was also not true, but the funny thing is there is evident to valid this as a fact. A copy of the letter is still available. DO your homework dearest and go back and read it. I have not made up anything… your OBAUbp OVER promised and now are UNDER delivering… I know it is difficult for you, but it is true…. deal with it ….
ALso, stop spreading misinformation.. Bermuda has always had a certain level of person unemployed or under-employed. Statistical data trends can valid this info.
However, due to the changing economy like in other places in the world and the GREAT RECESSION, job loses increased. So stop with your attempt to suggest that it was due to the PLP only. Stop with your silly nonsense and bias agenda. Most countries were impacted by the world recession, and to think Bermuda is unique is foolish OBAUbp style of thinking and political propaganda talk. Stop with your Defending the in- defensive…..seems to be a habit of such folks ahh
seems to be a habit of such folks ahh
Seems they’re just emulating you there Betty boop.
Betty, you spout straight and utter lies.
I think even the PLP must be ashamed of you. You make them look even more stupid than they actually are.
Sandy Bottom, you spout straight and utter lies.
I think even the OBAubp must be ashamed of you. You make them look even more stupid than they actually are. The OBAubp looking even more stupid as they have made broken promises to folks pre-election and now failing to hold to their list of promises…guess they looking real stupid about now ah…
Did a 5 year old write that?
Did they put a time limit on the job creation, or did you do that?
I agree with you Betty, the OBA is only for the rich, they are raining money on them like some strippers, while cutting salaries and raising fees for people that are already hurting…
The OBA took you people for some fools and now you are drinking the red kool-aid.
The PLP claims they can change….we’ll see about that.
We need to get rid of these self-interest parties!!!
I don’t get it, do either of you have proof of those claims? How are they showering them with money? Don’t say the tax breaks for hiring BERMUDIANS. The reason for these breaks is because these companies are struggling too and more closures mean more job losses. The tax breaks are only for hiring BERMUDIANS. Showering them with money? What, are you jealous you don’t own your own business so you can.make that money? Stop crying and go start one! Hire BERMUDIANS!
In that case get rid of both
proof?
Dreamer
Go see a head doctor
Alvin Williams: “Bankrupt if that were true many more expatriate migrant workers would have fled this country”
This shows how misinformed you are. They work for INTERNATIONAL businesses. Bermuda can still be bankrupt.
plp, standing wrong THE END
OBAubp failing to stand for all the people. Only for the “HAVES’ and not the “HAVE NOTS”…all promises broken, all movement towards fixing Bermuda dead in the water….policies hurting the smaller man, while those of Privilege continue to do well and profit at the backs of the “Have NOTS”…
Funny how ‘the have nots’ increased under the PLP reign, which can be easily evidenced in the spike of financial assitance recepients over the same time…
betty trump, GO AWAY
“It is with those who would seek to reduce you, your family and your neighbours to second class citizens in our own country, THAT WE MUST CONTEND WITH, in order to have real progress and harmony in our country.”
Sounds like an imminent threat to me, not a political speech. The PLPbiu was voted out by a majority of VOTERS, yet it is remarkable that they continue to spout their bull**** about how they “REALLY” won because “they are the PEOPLE’S PARTY”. The same people who supported a “Party” who made them unemployed, riddled with debt, and who left the incoming administration with no choice but to cut the very large weed that is choking the hearty plants that are fuelling the economy.
The PLP made Bermudians second class citizens….they were the ones who caused the unemployment, whilst issuing more work permits for jobs that Bermudians were unemployed from.
I guess someone has to stand up and give the ‘PLP is still relevant’ speech. I feel sorry for them since they could have done great things after their dramatic win in 98 – and gone down in history.
They will go down in history yes – but for all the wrong reasons.
They of course will never regain power simply because nobody will ever trust them again.
Very sad.
Xenophobia works so well, keep running with it PLP, jeepers creepers, WAKEY WAKEY!
Xenophobia , how bout when ya boy Fahy supported expats when they were talked about but never supported Bermudians when we are slandered by expats ????????
How about when you made that up?
Because it’s really hard to slander Bermudians. Get it? Haha
The PLP had 14 years to empower Bermudians.
Standing Strong, OBA are showing who they really are for. They have done nothing to benefit us. Don’t think people are not watching because they are. OBA are going to be done at the next election. hehe!
And the plp did nothing to benefit any of us!
Marc Bean and all in the PLP, keep standing strong, it will lead you to exactly to where you should be.
Of course the P.L.P. are a better Party than they were 10 months ago Today they’re the Opposition and that’s right where they need to be.
Marc, we have better weather today but that doen’t mean it won’t change again! Stay as opposition, please!!
Sounds like you are fearing that the people are moving more and more away from your beloved OBAubp govt. Your statement and others like it, reveal a high level of fear that folks are not believing or trusting in the OBAubp and now only see a govt of broken promises and false election tricks to win votes only.
Oh yes, folks are waking up to the trickery of the OBAubp. Bermudians now do not trust the OBAubp. Many believe their election promises were merely lies and a way to win votes. The distrust of the OBAupb by the people is what is scaring their fans and MPs, so the Spin will continue, but is not working.
So as a result their bloggers are working hard to change this perception, but it still is not working. Folks feel and see the real rearing of the ugly heads of the OBAUbp govt showing up as the orginal UBP folks, just wearing a different tie or dress, but the same.
Betty,
Why did the PLP stop auditing the public pensions in 2005?
@Double Standards… You will NEVER get an answer from Betty because she has none. If it is not already written down somewhere where the CUT and PASTE queen can do just that, (cut and paste) she will never answer you. The scary part about her is I would actually have a little respect for her if she did have ANY answers or admit to ANY fault on the PLP side… but sadly she is a thick as two bricks.
“It is with those who would seek to reduce you, your family and your neighbours to second class citizens in our own country, that we must contend with, in order to have real progress and harmony in our country.”
This little nugget speaks volumes.
You haven’t changed at all.
Agreed. Who is he talking about? Can he give any examples of such? And what exactly is a “second class citizen”?
PLP want to make out there is an enemy of the people of Bermuda and that they are the heros. Stop it with the divisiveness. Wasn’t it United we stand, divided we fall. Guess what, that applies the Bermuda, but the PLP wants to divide. Who has the best interests of Bermuda and Bermudians at heart? Not the divisive ones who go by the name of the PLP
never again. you had your chance.
So what are you saying Marc – that you accomplished in ten months what you couldn’t in fourteen years??
I wouldn’t brag about that!
14 years ago is in the past. We now have a party that is creating more wealth for the already rich and are using you all OBA people for suckers. The PLP in the last few years may have been a failure, but they claim they can change. Can they? Who knows. Right now the whole lot of them, PLP & OBA can go to hell.
PLP claim they can change but came out with the same nonsense.
OBA are not creating more weath for the already rich…that’s nonsense.
Either way you call it, “money makes money” So, without the people with, “the money” you as well can forget about receiving any money in the near of distant future. Sad but true
All these hired OBA bloggers crack me up, how is it people who are for PLP can still see some good in what the OBA says but havent done but still voted for them, but these bloggers are always against the PLP no matter what is said, the man says that they are a different party and the bloggers come up and say whatever ..but the OBA which is the UBP change their name and says we are not the UBP (even though 99% members is from the UBP) and the bloggers applaud and say yes you are much different from the UBP …..lol you racist white , ex pat bloggers make me laugh
but you’re not a racist for calling them racist no?
that makes no sense whatsoever
They were the first person to bring race and expats (we aren’t allowed to say xenophobic are we?) into this, it makes perfect sense if you aren’t a vegetable.
I’m Bermudian and am not paid by anyone to post here. Your PLP have virtually bankrupted this country and used race to divide us. I see that it totally worked on you.
aceboy if we are so damn bankrupt please explain how Bob Richards can push the debt by 800million and you not bat an eye at that, i see that being gullible has worked on you, and all you are talking about is utter nonsense
He had to borrow funds.
When one borrows that means they do not have the cash in hand to use.
It really isn’t that hard to understand.
the dumbest thing i have ever heard!!!! all year by Double Standards…..you think the PLP had cash in hand….beyond stupid is your statement go in a corner and think about what you said….smh i hope OBA disowns u for that one
Yes they did…
Read the consolidated financials.
Watch the previous Government coffer surplus dry up around 2005 and watch the deficit and by extension the debt explode at the same time.
So yes when the PLP achieved power they had a cash surlpus in the consolidated fund and around $150mn in overall debt. Mr. Eugene COx maintained both the deficit and debt at these levels until 2005 when he passed and a new finance minister took the helm.
Also, between 2005 and 2012 the PLP oversaw, and is thus responsible for, a 1,917% increase in the deficits which was caused by a 57% rise in Govt expenditure against a 17% rise in Govt revenues.
What is also very interesting, and I imagine a simple PLP ‘coincedence’ is that over that same time frame the PLP stoppoed auditing the public pensions and received four consecutive qualified audits on the consolidated fund.
So before you call names (as small minded and unintellgent people need to do) do your research. Bermuda.io is a new site which centralizes all Govt financial data which you can use.
I said we are virtually bankrupt, due to the ridiculous overspending by your mates. Poor Bob had to borrow just to make payroll, but rather than live in denial like Paula he borrowed for three years as opposed to borrowing each year and then claiming we are in “recovery”. The utter nonsense is what you are sprouting…racist nonsense.
Unfortunately, on numerous other also. Sad yes, but true
I take offense to your racist remarks, who do I support and what race am I, you can’t answer that bigot.
It’s ignorant comments like this that make Bermuda what it has become while the rest of the world recovers. Bermuda will never again be what it was as long as it has ignorant people who say things like “you racist white , ex pat bloggers make me laugh”. You will regret it when things get worse. You will. I hope you have at least a thread of intelligence and realize how drastically your life is going to change if IB continues to leave. I’m glad I left the Island and went overseas so I didn’t have to deal with small minded people like you. Oh, and I’m Bermudian.
Question:
Why so hate filled OBA supporters?
Aren’t you all suppose to be and do better than the PLP?
My question to you is simple – when will you actually begin to believe and live by your own rhetoric about “shared sacrifice” and “one Bermuda” OR will you continue to blame every last issue/problem/criticism on the former government?
It is truly wearing thin for some of us.
Q
And the mindset of the PLP is responsible for nothing wore thin years ago…
Nowhere in my post did I say that the PLP were not responsible for anything – - even the PLP Leader Mr. Bean said that last night on the news – - so to suggest anything different is blatantly wrong.
Please speak to my point or just make a different post instead of replying to it – - as it simply is an attempt to weaken the original post.
Maybe that was its purpose?
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Nowhere in any of your posts have you acknowledged the damage done to BDA by the last five years of PLP reign.
And the PLP have only ever said that they have made ‘mistakes.’
However,a mistake is forgetting your homework at home not the following:
- using blind trusts in taxpayer funded capital projects
- moving capital projects from under the remit of W&E which all of in turn recorded millions and millions in so called ‘overruns’
- not auditing the public pension fund since 2005
- receiving four consecutive qualified audits
- arresting the AG after highlighting corruption at the highest levels
- building a sub-standard cruise ship pier, also after teh original estimate almost doubling in price, that required tens of millions of dollars to be spent repairing
- hiring a foreign sculptor to produce the Dame Lois statue and then having the nerve to label every action by the Govt as being ‘anti-Bermudian’
- disparaging the current AG and Ombudsman after every report issued which highlighted the numerous financial instructions (implemented as a safeguard) breached in numerous capital projects
- implementing aggressive policies towards the one economic pillar that keeps out economy afloat as of now with no alternative revenue source sought
I could go on and on about the past regime’s ‘mistakes.’ But what’s the point?
Here is my “acknowledgement” from my above post –
Nowhere in my post did I say that the PLP were not responsible for anything – – even the PLP Leader Mr. Bean said that last night on the news
If I didn’t say that, then obviously they were responsible for their actions that affected our country over the past 5 years – - –
you need to come back with something good – seriously.
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That is not an acknowledgement of anything. Just an acknowledgement that you didn’t say anything, which was my original point.
But I digress. Have a Bermudaful weekend.
You ever seen a child get into trouble and made to apologize and when they say sorry the person says “sorry for what?” to ensure the child understands exactly what they did wrong? The plp saying they made mistakes doesn’t explain where the money went. That money would be really useful right now wouldn’t it. The plp just say sorry, never what for, so they acknowledge nothing. Double Standards gave you a list, you should forward it to Marc so he can start there.
No need – - they acknowledged – if you don’t think it is enough, that’s on you.
The public had their say – - on Dec 17, 2012 – and their decision was clear.
Why dwell on it?
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It’s called accountability, something this island is seriously lacking.
Agreed but you still missed the point – - they acknowledged their faults and we, the people, have removed them from government – - what more do you require of them? Blood?
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Honesty, a foreign conceptttalppoliticians.
Look at the post by Ombudsman makes a Statement 9.27am, and let us know who is “hate filled”.
As always, “it’s ok when we do it” hypocrisy.
No – it is never ok – but it is on both or all sides is the point.
Q
Interesting.
Even more interesting that you claim this is your position, yet referred ONLY to OBA supporters as hateful (which… when?) and ignored the outright racist post from “The Ombudsman…”
Yeah… no hypocrisy there.
I stand by what I said.
Just more “It’s ok when we do it.”
Just as you as an individual choose to post on specific comments, I have every right to post on any I choose – correct?
Your attempts to paint me as some PRO PLP Blogger will prove fruitless as I am willing at any point to take either party to task
And if our track records of posts will be examined, the records will show that you lean slightly towards the OBA and myself lean slightly towards the PLP – - openly admitted.
HOWEVER, WE BOTH HAVE TAKEN BOTH PARTIES TO TASK – so you need to shake that hypocrisy stick at someone else, Mike.
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Nice try. Not true. You’re not fooling anyone.
I don’t need to fool anyone – - you are the only person who believes what you posted above.
Because you don’t believe it to be true, that’s on you.
Q
This, too, is obviously not true.
You missed the point in my last post – - because you don’t believe my statement to be true – that’s on you.
That’s all – - what others believe in is up to them.
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No one ever said that hate filled speech is the sole property of OBA members – far from it.
People – all of nations/creeds – can be filled with negative feelings and nasty rhetoric directed at others.
So the point of your post is . . . ?
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So what was the point of your post, exactly?
And where are all these “hate filled OBA members”? The hate speech pretty much almost always comes from the other side, as far as I ever see.
And how, by the way, do you identify the “OBA members”? I’m sure you lump me in with your version of “OBA members”, but I’ve never actually joined any political party in my life.
Sister Suzie Q:
Please simply take a few minutes and read the comments above or the comments posted on any PLP statement over the past 9 months. There are numerous examples of blatant negative, hate filled rhetoric provided on the blogs by OBA Members and/or supporters (this will include those who are not members of the OBA but are anti-PLP in their posts).
I am not a member of any political party nor will I ever be – - I do not believe in the 2 party system.
However, when I can clearly see bias on the part of one political party and its supporters SPEAKING ON A TOPIC when their party, as Opposition, there stance was a complete 180 on the SAME TOPIC – that leaves something to be desired.
The OBA promised to be and do things differently – - I, as a voter, have not seen it – - yet.
As as far as you have seen, I would humbly suggest you look further or more in depth – - you maybe surprised at what you see and find.
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Not a single mention of it happening on the other side.
Not one.
More “It’s ok when we do it.”
Mike:
I am speaking directly to her post – - why do you insist that I am “required” to show proof from the “other side” – - there is enough of that on this blog and on any other post for a blind midget to see!
I don’t have to mention it in this post AS I CLEARLY POSTED ABOVE THAT IT HAPPENS AND IT EXISTS – why, again, do you insist that it needs to be shown when it is there for all to see IF they choose to – - as you clearly see it all the time?
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More fabrications.
So, so sad.
The only thing I’m “insisting” – begging would be a better word – on is an ounce of honesty.
You’re showing none.
Again – - that’s your opinion deflected upon me.
And for the record, just because you believe something doesn’t make it true – - remember saying that?
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You haven’t proved anything. You’re just another PLP supporter who thinks that if they spout the same lie enough times people will believe it.
Lame.
Again – your opinion – -not fact.
And I don’t lie – - I don’t need to – - I provide my opinions – if you don’t agree, that’s fine – - but to say i’m lying is just dumb.
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I’ve shown where you have. Repeatedly.
Mike -
You just called me a liar and I thought you would have a bit more respect than that – - personal attacks are not my style – so why lower your supposed standards?
And just because you believe that I’m lying does not make me a liar – -
I have a difference of opinion than you – plain and simple.
Get off your ass, get involved in the political process or sit in the background with your musical selections and continue to be just a mouth blowing hot air.
And just for the record, speaking out only for those issues which you deem important makes you just as much of a hypocrite as those you demonize in your post.
Back that up with some fact.
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Again. I’ve shown where you have, repeatedly. It’s not opinion. The rest of your post is just waffling.
I don’t always agree with Mike about things, but one thing he isn’t is a hypocrite.
On the other hand, Question, you are full of unsubstantiated waffle. And then when you can’t back up what you say, you fall behind the catch-all “well it’s my opinion”.
You’re entitled to your own opinion, Question, but you aren’t entitled to your own facts.
That’s about enough of you – - Because you say something doesn’t make it truth – -
And because I don’t sit here and do research for you to find public information – - I am called a liar and a hypocrite – -
This is how I end this – - whatever you say – you believe what you want – - and I will believe what I want – - and this is the reason why we will not ever be able to bring our people together – - you allow your party alliance to cloud your view of anything you do not agree with (please know, I am not talking to you Mike H – I know better – your position is clear with me).
Get over it so we can move on.
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So where are the comments critical of the PLP “hate-filled”? Just having a differing opinion, one which opposes the PLP, does not something is “hate-filled rhetoric”.
An example of pro-PLP “hate-filled rhetoric” is:
“..lol you racist white , ex pat bloggers make me laugh”
See my above posts.
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Marc Bean: ‘Better Party Than Ten Months Ago’
LMAO!!!! “Earth to Marc. Earth to Marc. Can you hear us?…………………….. Marc, where are you?”
If the truth is so bad, why do you guys have to keep making stuff up?
Where is the “made up” stuff? I honestly believe it is a difference of opinion.
The PLP leader has acknowledged that part of the economic problems in Bermuda are because of the previous PLP policies – he said that – admitted it – took responsibility for that.
Yes – we know the PLP did bad – - but why can’t others see that the OBA isn’t all good either?
That’s my only question.
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“Where is the made up stuff”? Seriously?
What about Betty’s “broken promises” and “where are the 2,000 jobs” stuff? All completely made up in her head.
She makes up an untrue version of the “promises” and then gleefully criticizes, again and again, for those “promises” being “broken”.
Most of your post, almost all of “B. Trumps”, “The Ombudsman’s” is almost a complete fabrication, as is Mr. Williams’…
I ask again…
If the truth is so bad, why not complain about the truth and not stuff that y’all make up?
Most of your post, almost all of MIke HInds and Suzie”, is almost a complete fabrication, as is Triangle Drifter and Double Standard
I ask again…
If the truth is so bad, why not complain about the truth and not stuff that y’all make up? Why twist the true to suggest other wise, is the truth so painful now that the OBAubp are failing to live up to their promises. So far at least 8 have been broken and likely more to come….
The evident is in the OBAubp Election materials. letter, flyers, handouts, and platform. The promises were made on the door steps of the people…. May be short/long term memory problems deficits is impacting some of the diehard blindfaithful OBAubp supporters…REALLY ….The OBAubp promised JOBS, JOBS< and more JOBS, so far none…..
Here we go again, with “B. Trump” copy/pasting my post and changing the words, even if it makes the content complete nonsense.
It’s really, really pathetic.
We deserve better.
Betty, that’s pathetic.
And no one is saying that the OBA is all good.
Most folks are simply saying “You’re incorrect” when you guys make stuff up and/or complain about EVERY little thing.
In my political aware years, I’ve only seen the PLP in action. To me it was a disaster and continues to be with hate and divisiveness from them. The OBA will be judged by their actions. They don’t have a free ride. I’m no OBA fan, we needed change desperately..the OBA will be under as much scrutiny as the PLP from me.
That’s exactly what I was hoping WOULD happen.
The problem we’re seeing here is that the propagandists and demagogues are making a mountain out of every molehill, fingers in the air over every tiny thing, saying outrageous, false and occasionally racist things almost every single time and then going on the offensive – in both meanings of the word – the instant someone asks for honesty.
What this is doing is causing anyone in the middle to say “Yeah. I can’t side with that”, so they shut up.
What this WILL cause is a Government with no honest criticism, which will lead to the same sort of ego and arrogance that will lead to the mismanagement that lost the UBP the election in ’98 and the PLP in ’12.
Who knows… maybe this is the plan!
Criticism is absolutely necessary in our politics, but it HAS to be honest.
All this electioneering was bad for Bermuda for the past 20 years and it will continue to be bad for Bermuda.
you say the dumbest things at times i swear
What, exactly, is dumb about what I said?
That honest criticism is needed? Why is that dumb?
That you and yours criticize pretty much everything? Why is tht dumb? Is it untrue?
Care to explain yourself, or will you just be doing the usual? Ad hominem attack, then run away.
“Criticism is absolutely necessary in our politics, but it HAS to be honest”.
Yes it is only considered honest if said by an OBAubp supporter, all others are considered to be spreading nothing but propaganda even when they present hard supporting facts and data to backup or support their positions.
REALLY ,…..what a bias reading and twist of OBAubp word thinking….REALLY>…only OBAUbp can speak, and be correct…. WOW…what a big joke…
Not even a little bit true…
But an amazing example of what I’m talking about.
You are ridiculous.
When have you EVER presented “hard supporting facts and data to backup or support” your position?
You’ve never done this, “B. Trump”. Most of you propagandists not only don’t do this, but you take me to task for asking you to do so, as though this is a bad thing to do.
You really do need to stop lying so blatantly.
Again, what have I made up?
You and Suzie Q keep saying that?
Evidence??
Q
Your claim of hate, for one. Where is it?
Who is exhibiting hate? Where?
You’re making stuff up.
Example on this article alone:
This guy sounds like a desperate loser. The PLP destroyed this country and all they can do is slag off the OBA. Why not try to work with the OBA instead of just trying to grab power the whole bloody time. They can make a difference from the passenger seat, they just choose to be devisive.
Idiots
This is hate filled – (or perhaps you will say it is just my opinion?)
How is that hate filled?
Come on. Disdainful? Sure. But “hate-filled”?
Seriously?
Tomato versus tomato
Q
Not helping your case.
Again – your opinion. A person can say a word and it can mean 10 different things to 10 different people – or do you deny this fact?
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That’s not hate filled at all. It’s brutal honesty.
ANYTHING negative toward the plp is hate filled. People haven’t realized that yet?
That’s an opinion
That’s your opinion, apparently.
Its an observation.
I don’t see any hate speech there at all. If that’s what you’re talking about you’re being pretty ridiculous.
Just go back and read it – - it is there. Just because you don’t want to see it, does not mean that it is not there.
This is really silly to me.
Q
Where?
But you can’t find examples. Right.
I don’t need to – I’m not the one who doesn’t believe that they exist.
Q
Yeah. You do. You made the claim. The burden of
Yes. You do. You made the claim. The burden of proof is on you.
@Question, I love your patience to try and have a reasonable discussion with some of the diehard faithful OBAubp followers> I respect your attempt to have an enagaing conversation of a mature level.
Nonetheless, It is evident that if you are not a supporter of the OBAubp, or of a different political affiliations, nothing you say will have any meaning to these folks. Only folks who are OBAubp make real intelligent comments and provide evidences in Mike and Suzie bird’s eye view of the political world in Bermuda. No matter how much your asking him to reflect on the past comments of the OBAubp supporters pre-election and now, he will reject it and fail to see their actions and negative behaviors’ that have taken place. Despite the FACT that one only needs to go back and read the comments of his followers. Take a careful analyses of the comments and it clearly provides the evidence, they continue want to reject and deny.
But as the famous saying going….
“Representation of the world, like the world itself, is the work of men; they describe it from their own point of view, which they confuse with the absolute truth”.
“Betty Trump”, you are, yet again, spouting lies.
The sad part is JUST how blatant you are about it.
Only the most biased person would believe anything you say… and their minds are already made up.
I can’t believe that you truly believe the things you post, so I can’t figure out your agenda.
Do you really think anyone that isn’t already 100% on your side believes a single word you say?
Ms. Trump is on a different train. Dining car closed, freight car empty, nobody herm!
“Betty,
Why did the PLP stop auditing the public pensions in 2005?”
Still waiting for an answer
Another would be your position that people are saying the OBA is all good. That’s made up.
Mike:
OBA support bloggers yesterday supported the Premier’s London Student Reception when just last year they condemned the same event when the PLP held it – - this is an example of my sentiment.
Go and read their logically reasons provided and then go back 2 years and read their statements.
Q
That is NOT saying that the OBA is all good.
You’re making things up again.
A matter of opinion or a difference of opinion maybe – - but making things up?
Please.
Q
No. It’s not “a matter of opinion”.
A couple of people not having a problem with the leader of our country going to a Student Reception when some people (not the same people, unless you’re willing to back that up with evidence) spoke out against the PLP doing it is NOT evidence of people saying “the OBA is all good”.
Would you care to prove that the people supporting the other day were the same people speaking out 2 years ago?
I’m pretty sure you can’t show that, thus…
You’re making it up.
Oh, and… which is it? Last year or 2 years ago?
Or is it both? The same people all three times?
I’m gonna need you to back that up.
Silence reigns
I’m done with this conversation – - I have moved on to more important things – nothing more, Hind.
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Question, that’s another lie. I looked at the comments at Cox’s Europe trips over the past two years. There was little criticism. The most critical comments were expressions of sympathy for the poor buggers who would have to listen to her speeches.
And there wasn’t much relevent discussion this week in reference to the student reception. Some PLP criticism (interesting, given your allegations in the other direction), and some catcalls for independence.
The hypocrisy you’re trying to allege just isn’t there. You aren’t telling the truth.
Again – - u use one source for your conclusion – - just because you believe that it is not there does not mean that it does not exist – - please realize that.
Notice – I have never said that you lied or spoke untruths – - i simply say that you have a difference of opinion.
Why is that, I wonder?
Q
It’s because you can’t support the “facts” you use to make your “arguments”. You fabricate facts that didn’t really happen.
Again – see my above post – - clear?
Q
But what is funny is that frequently fail to present any “EVIDENCE”, seldom do on most days. I believe the , only evidence they require is that you must a strong supporter of the OBAUbp to be correct, that is the only requirement, nothing else matters. Only if your OBAubp your right, and if your of any other political affiliation your dead wrong and racist. REALLY what a bias bunch.
Not even a little bit true.
You’re just throwing my words back at me, hoping something might stick, accusing me of your own behaviour.
You’re a sad, sad person, “Betty”.
Please try some honesty and integrity.
@ MIKE…..“From a worldly point of view, there is no mistake so great as that of being always right.”
Samuel Butler quotes
You are seriously one of the biggest jokes I’ve ever seen.
Nice job moving the goalposts.
Seriously. Do you have NO shame?
Does this dude still believe that “gay marriage is an attack on the foundation of civilisation and on life itself?”
kind of back-country banjo playing rhetoric really. Not very leadership like for a supposedly progressive party.
Hardly moving forward is it?
I hate the idea of political parties in Bermuda and have little faith in politicians, period.
The fact of the matter is that Bermuda relies on outside money to survive and in this current world financial crisis, I doubt that the OBA or the PLP has a real solution. Both parties are simply overwhelmed.
One of the few things we could do is to cancel those work permits held
by non-skilled workers. That, however, will probably never happen, because it is only the affluent who hire most of these people and the affluent usually get what they want. They hire them because they can get them to work far more hours and for far less pay then they might have to pay a Bermudian. Lets face it, permit holders in this category are easily intimidated!
Right now, there is only so much money to go around, and the Government has none to spare. Sorry Chris, but some workers (I mean employees)might just might have to go.
It seems clear that things will get worse before they get better.
Oppossition Leader Mr.Bean just stated,in his opinion,50% of Bermudians smoke marijuana.
Is he delusional? Me think perhaps 10-15% may smoke it. He is also against drug testing for MPs,yet police,fire and prison officials are subjected to Drug tests.
Is this what the thinking of a potential leader of a country should be?
Wow,I am completely dumbfounded by such thoughts!
Well, in the circle he moves in 50% is probably an understatement.
Why don’t you ask John Charman. He claimed his ilk are 2 nd class citizens!
Marc bean all the plp has done was Run this island into the ground and will never be a better party
The PLP make a good Opposition,let’s hope it stays that way!
How can it be a better party after only 10 months,maybe in a couple of generations you might have a chance.
Then the dogma of previous generations will be erased,Bda will then be a better place.
An apology from Mr. Bean for the mess the PLP left behind would go a long way to giving his words credibility.
Better off than we were 10 months ago,Mr.Bean alludes to the PLP.
Are you kidding,the island is ruined because of the PLP’s total incompetence and suspected corruption.