OBA Call PLP Flyers “A Bald-Faced Lie”
[Updated with video] The OBA has called flyers the PLP has been mailing to homes saying the OBA pledges to end Economic Empowerment Zones [EEZ] for NE Hamilton, Somerset and St. George’s a “bald-faced lie,” while the PLP said transcripts “do not lie,” and criticized Bob Richards for “attacking the EEZ.”
In a written statement OBA Leader Craig Cannonier said: “This week the PLP has been mailing this flyer to homes around the Island saying that the One Bermuda Alliance will end Economic Empowerment Zones for Hamilton, Somerset and St. George’s.
“Bermuda, this is a bald-faced lie. We have never said that. In fact the OBA has called for the extension of EEZ incentives across the entire island.
Mr Cannonier continued: “We have said that because we need to enable job growing ideas to flourish wherever they can. And because Bermuda needs a radical extension of opportunity and incentives to help working families do better.
“We have to give the people of this country the best possible chance to succeed, to put food on the table, pay their bills and support their children’s growth. That is why we believe EEZ incentives should be extended across the Island.
“Extending something doesn’t mean ending something, but this is the nature of the lie the governing party is mailing to people.
“There is one other thing in this flyer that I’d like to comment on: It says ‘The OBA doesn’t really care about businesses in NE Hamilton, Somerset and St. George’s. They are looking out for wealthy families that have historically controlled the Island.”
“This is such garbage… revealing a party locked in the past, knowing nothing about the direction Bermuda wants to go and needs to go,” said Mr Cannonier.
“The OBA will leave no one behind. The lie in this brochure is not the first time. The Government has tried to mislead people on our positions on FutureCare and Day Care.
“And so I ask the Premier, is this what we can expect doing forward – lies instead of truth? Is Bermuda going to be faced with a campaign of lies?
“Does the Premier support the lie in this flyer? Can she explain it? The challenges this country faces are extreme. Bermudians need to make the best possible decision for the future,” continued Mr Cannonier.
“Those decisions have to be based on truth. The country will not stand strong on legs of lies. The people of Bermuda and those who can invest in it need to trust what we do. The kind of lying represented by this flyer will never earn that trust.
“The baseless attacks the Government has launched are an effort to distract and mislead people from the serious mess they have put Bermuda in. They are out of ideas and out of solutions and out of gas. Bermuda cannot afford to have an empty tank.
At the press conference this afternoon [Oct 2], Mr Cannonier said: “When you have run out of ideas, when you have run out of solutions it is this kind of foolishness that happens.”
“What’s next..telling lies about the One Bermuda Alliance and what it said. What’s next, personal attacks? I can assure you Bermuda that after having read this, that’s where we are going.
“The subtle references to racial disparity in these kinds of things, going back down the road…I am going to say this here…If you can’t pay your rent, it doesn’t matter if you are black or white,” said Mr Cannonier.
Mr Cannonier’s remarks are below:
In a statement also issued this afternoon, PLP candidate Neville Tyrrell — who will challenge Mr Richards in Constituency #11, Devonshire East — criticized Bob Richards for “attacking the EEZ.”
A statement from the PLP said: “Mr. Tyrrell noted that on 3 June 2011, on the floor of the House of Assembly, Mr. Richards called EEZ small business grants “a huge moral hazard” and said, “The whole idea of grants, to me, is unacceptable. It needs to be removed.”
“Our small Bermudian owned businesses need our support,” noted Mr. Tyrrell. “For Bob Richards to attack the EEZ like that shows where his priorities are. Dozens of businesses in St. George’s, NE Hamilton and Somerset benefit from the programme. It’s really helped a lot of Bermudian owned businesses that employ Bermudians.”
“For Bob Richards to say that the whole idea of grants is unacceptable and needs to be removed is telling. It’s no wonder that the OBA has outlined no new ideas and no new solutions. The more Bermudians learn about what their ideas might be, the less they will like the radical change the OBA is offering.”
The PLP provided quotes from Mr Richards from June 3 2011 such as:
No, no, no. This is a huge moral hazard, Mr. Speaker, the kind of moral hazard that we should not be going down, a road we should not be going down at all.
This word ‘grant’ has no business being in this Act-no business.
It is easy to make the argument that you are not assisting a small business by just giving him a gift. That is no assistance, because that is a false premise altogether.
I believe somebody has kind of made a mistake here. And it needs to be corrected, because we all want to support this. We all want to support this! …….. But the inclusion of grants makes it unacceptable.
The Official Hansard [PDF] from June 2011 shows Mr Richards spoke on the matter, and his full comments can be read in full in this PDF [scroll to the middle of page 1841].
A longer quote from Mr Richards in 2011 is below:
Giving grants to for-profit businesses is a moral hazard because who decides which businesses get which grants and which businesses do not get grants? It is a big difference.
Yes. And then you say, well, you know, who is going to get that kind of deal? My ace boys? No, no, no. This is a huge moral hazard, Mr. Speaker, the kind of moral hazard that we should not be going down, a road we should not be going down at all.”
There is a very strict line between loans, guaranteed . . . I mean, the other financial assistance in the Act clearly referred to guarantees, right, clearly. It certainly did not refer to gifts.
Then you have the nonsense later on the Act about, you know, inserting the word “grant” as it relates to interest and fees. So what are you going to do? Give somebody money and then charge them interest for it? It is lunacy!
This has not been thought through, Mr. Speaker. It has not been thought through. This word “grant” has no business being in this Act—no business.
It is easy to make the argument that you are not assisting a small business by just giving him a gift. That is no assistance, because that is a false premise altogether. That is a false premise.
Update 6.06pm: The PLP issued a statement in response, which follows in full below
The Truth Hurts!
Fact: The OBA’s island wide EEZ would end special privileges for businesses in Somerset, NE Hamilton and St. George’s.
Fact: Bob Richards told the House of Assembly in regards to EEZ grants that, “The whole idea of grants, to me, is unacceptable. It needs to be removed.”
Fact: Bob Richards said in regards to EEZ grants, “No, no, no. This is a huge moral hazard.”
Fact: OBA MPs voted against authorising grants from the Bermuda Economic Development Corporation to businesses in the EEZ
The OBA may get angry – but that’s because the truth hurts! The truth is, they said they would systematically destroy the EEZ by ending the grants and ending the special privileges for businesses in the Economic Empowerment Zones.
The PLP founded the EEZ to provide support to our small businesses in North East Hamilton. We expanded it to the East and West ends of the Island; and, it’s working. Four businesses just opened shop in St. George’s in the EEZ and enjoy EEZ benefits.
Dozens more Bermudian owned businesses in NE Hamilton and Somerset have also benefited. We’ve seen companies move and expand into the EEZ to provide more economic activity in these targeted areas.
“The OBA may get upset and accuse the PLP of lying, but the transcripts from the House of Assembly do not lie. The party of no ideas and no solutions would be advised to tell the Bermudian people where they stand on the challenges that we as a country face instead of trying to rewrite history and run away from their record.
Update: An OBA spokesperson issued a statement saying, “The Government continues to lie and distort, proving again that is ready to say anything, twist anything, distort anything to stay in power.
“The fact is that the OBA has never pledged to end the EEZ, and it never will. That’s all people need to know about this matter.
“We call on the Premier to stop the lies. The people of Bermuda do not need lies. They need solutions.”
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I’m sort of glad that the PLP are showing their real colours. Now, if we do not take heed, well…
I for one wish they one end this unfair “empowerment zone” practice. s a business owner that is struggling I can tell you that I need the help as much as anyone else in this “zone”
WOW the PLP picked lines from a statement to try and make up new meaning in order to discredit BOB RICHARDS. Reading the full text of BOB Richards speech shown here really shows that the PLP are disgusting untrustworthy liars. THE PLP are desperate to cling onto power and will stop at nothing to hide the truth from us. PLP you DISGUST ME.
UM.. Out of context??? he said “The whole idea of grants, to me, is unacceptable. It needs to be removed.”
How is that out of context?
@What Options
Say you’re friend is going to put on a dinner and tells you that pork chops, lamb chops, sweet potato, Spanish rice, peas & carrots, and corn on the cob will be prepared.
You respond by saying, “Yo, I don’t eat swine. I don’t attend dinners with pork on the table. I’d like to come to dinner and eat with you but I can’t if the pork chops are going to be prepared.”
Are you saying cancel the dinner? Or are you saying have the dinner with no pork chops?
I think you would be saying have the dinner with no pork chops. That is what Bob Richards was saying about the EEZ. Have the EEZ without the grants. He is not in support of the “free” (its really the taxes we pay and some of the 1.5 billion PLP has borrowed) money, the grants. The rest he is in support of to the point that he’d like it extended to all of Bermuda.
Ride
your – not you’re. LOL!
@ What Options: Clearly you did not read the entire Hansard report as printed above, which gives the context in which those words were spoken – a call for fiscal prudence and closing loopholes where cronyism and abuse could occur. Perhaps you don’t understand what “out of context” means. Maybe you understand “cherry-pick” better, because that’s what the PLP have tried to do here.
Bermuda will not accept it, Bermuda will not accept it, Bermuda will not accept it.
Dunkley and Gibbons weren’t there, wonder which one is the puppet’s Master. Well who ever you are you kept pulling the wrong string. Next time pull the string that makes Craig quack like a duck instead of barking like a dog.
Yeah, Craig was right. The personal attacks are all they have left after the lies.
Criag was indeed funny in his news conference, it made me laugh…he seem defeated in his attempt to defend the OBA. The OBA voted against the EZZ….what else is there to prove. If an MP votes against something, that clearly indicates their position. It would have been better to request an amendment if you really wanted change to the bill. But no you outright voted against it….. A NOT VOTE BY THE OBA FOR THE EZZ ….means no EZZ.
PLP are saying what they going to do and the OBA aint saying shit. Dam if we do dam if we don’t. I might as well flip a coin election day.
When both parties have their Rallies check the video footage on ZBM. The OBA will tell the whites to stay away so they look like a mix party 80% white 20% black yea RIGHT!!! Craig I’ll be there for the rally at the parks, make sure my free food is on the grill. Oh and by the way I want steak and lobster it’s a election coming. Then after I get my free food I’m out mate.
PLP all you have to do is tell your voters that Craig is the puppet for the Evil W man, by the way who’s pulling Craig’s strings. I need to speak to the Puppet master to get a front job like Craig. Craig you in a good spot man, tell the Haters you blind to them!
OBA I’ll get my son to vote for you to if you bring him back with a free plane ticket.
Dam where do I remember that from…….oh yea the UBP days. NVM you all the same party.
I got my coin ready I’m ok, but then again I like when both parties kiss my a$$.
the JOKE was on the UBP who brought back young white voters who voted PLP
OBA are the bold face liars. They got rid of our MP. Craig who’s the liar – the logic family in Cayman?
No the american logically cheater is the real liar.
I have listened the only liar here is Craig not the PLP. Bob Richards didn’t vote for EEZ and stated it was a moral issue and did say NO NO NO – so who’s the liars here?
Read the full text fool.
He was opposed to the giving of grants not the concept of EEZ. The UBP were ones in 2004 who first proposed the idea of an economic zone in north hamilton. The PLP liked the idea and it came into effect in 2006.
I remeber it that way too.
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TRANSCRIP FROM HOUSE OF ASSEMBLY STATED BY BOB RICHARDS MPJP:
Bob Richards, when speaking about grants:
“No, no, no. This is a huge moral hazard, Mr. Speaker, the kind of moral hazard that we should not be going down, a road we should not be going down at all.”
“This word ‘grant’ has no business being in this Act—no business.”
“The whole idea of grants, to me, is unacceptable. It needs to be removed.”
YOU DECIDED BERMUDA WHO’S TELLING THE TRUTH? not OBA IMO
maybe you should have read his whole speech… something both you and the PLP neglected to do:
What we have here
is assistance to for-profit organisations. You know, this is assistance to private sector companies, businesses for profit.
Now, the Americans have this lovely phrase
that they use for things like this. And the phrase is “a
moral hazard.” Giving grants to for-profit businesses is a moral hazard because who decides which businesses get which grants and which businesses do not get grants? It is a big difference. You lend somebody money or you guarantee a loan to somebody to give them a hand-up, than giving somebody money saying, Here, take it, Jack. You don’t ever have to pay it back.
An Hon. Member: Get money for free.
Mr. Everard T. (Bob) Richards: Yes. And then you say, well, you know, who is going to get that kind of deal? My ace boys?
No, no, no. This is a huge moral hazard, Mr. Speaker, the kind of moral hazard that we should not be going down, a road we should not be going down at all. No. There is a very strict line between loans, guaranteed . . . I mean, the other financial assistance in the Act clearly referred to guarantees, right, clearly. It certainly did not refer to gifts.
Then you have the nonsense later on the Act about, you know, inserting the word “grant” as it relates to interest and fees. So what are you going to do? Give somebody money and then charge them interest for it? It is lunacy! This has not been thought through, Mr. Speaker. It has not been thought through. This word “grant” has no business being in this Act—no business.
You know the PLP are pros at this stuff been that way for as long as the RG been in business. How many times have they said the RG has taken their quotes out of context? As far as I see the PLP wish the electorate to be scared of the OBA when in fact it the PLP who had to deceive us again and again and again. Look at all the promises they make they knew they could not keep. You want to know where the debt came from, really? Come on people ask your-self how many promises have been kept. Answer none! In fact they just straight up adopted the oppositions idea of means tested or down scaled free buses to free busses for students, free day care to free day care to those who make less than a certain amount and the list goes on and on. Look at the timing of the 2007 platforms the UBP came out first the PLP days after. What I call the one up platform because that’s what it was. Oh it did have one major difference stating that the UBP would give 8,000 PRC’s voting rights which the PLP admitted later the number was like 1,500 or something like that, same thing happening in this instance. On top of the racial views that they hold even if they are warranted due to history they are just doing more of the same reminiscent of the KKK in the US which will ultimately just create more animosity which I’m sure the BB Carta knows all to well. They do not have the answer to bring us together. Weight it out your-self listen to your Humanitarian self deep with in this is the “humanitarian age” where are differences should be celebrated creating a whole picture no just a stroke here and there. Please smart voters weight it out for your-self. I think we need new direction I’m not sure if it politically or morally but what up now does not seem right to me IMO. To each his own I know I will support my countries decision one way or another and continue to be a productive citizen..
LOL
I have been waiting for this style of POLITRICKS to HIT our shores
How is it politricks if Bob Richards said “The whole idea of grants, to me, is unacceptable. It needs to be removed.” and then they all vote against it.
Why are people upset about it? If you said it, you own it!
his statment was taken out of context, he said that the word “grant” needs to be taken out of the act, not the grants themselves:
What we have here
is assistance to for-profit organisations. You know, this is assistance to private sector companies, businesses for profit.
Now, the Americans have this lovely phrase
that they use for things like this. And the phrase is “a
moral hazard.” Giving grants to for-profit businesses is a moral hazard because who decides which businesses get which grants and which businesses do not get grants? It is a big difference. You lend somebody money or you guarantee a loan to somebody to give them a hand-up, than giving somebody money saying, Here, take it, Jack. You don’t ever have to pay it back.
An Hon. Member: Get money for free.
Mr. Everard T. (Bob) Richards: Yes. And then you say, well, you know, who is going to get that kind of deal? My ace boys?
No, no, no. This is a huge moral hazard, Mr. Speaker, the kind of moral hazard that we should not be going down, a road we should not be going down at all. No. There is a very strict line between loans, guaranteed . . . I mean, the other financial assistance in the Act clearly referred to guarantees, right, clearly. It certainly did not refer to gifts.
Then you have the nonsense later on the Act about, you know, inserting the word “grant” as it relates to interest and fees. So what are you going to do? Give somebody money and then charge them interest for it? It is lunacy! This has not been thought through, Mr. Speaker. It has not been thought through. This word “grant” has no business being in this Act—no business.
If you take Grants our of the act, then Grants are GONE!! Are you listening to yourself?
@Educated in manipulating the voter,
Come on have the PLP owned any of the debt? Or how about the “we had to deceive you” line, the fact that most people know some MPs where taking 10% cuts from contracts, friends that charged way more for renting equipment and the like.. Have they taken ownership of the many policies mistakes they have made for political expedience that cost the country more than they bargained for and ended up having to change them. This is way the racial thing needs to be resolved it gives the PLP a free pass to do anything they like and it’s ok because of history’s injustices when will it stop or does the whole country need to be taken down.
LOL
Interesting how you allege corruption but neither BPS, FBI, or Scotland yard can find it.
Neither under the UBP so all was well I guest……….
LOL
@Educated Voter
The issue here is the the PLP are distributing flyers prominently saying that the OBA pledges to end EEZ. From what I can determine, from the evidence given in support by the PLP, that is not true.
The only point given that might lend some support is that “Fact:OBA MPs voted against authorising grants from the Bermuda Economic Development Corporation to businesses in the EEZ” (PLP statement). The problem is that that is not a pledge to end EEZ, just grants.
Richard’s argument is in line with this and seems to be purely to do with the morality of grants (giving money to support business with no repayment expectation), how its defined in eth Act and the fact that the process would lend to corruption, as supported by his quote “And then you say, well, you know, who is going to get that kind of deal? My ace boys? No, no, no.” (Richards).
From the evidence all that I could honestly print on the flyer was that OBA didn’t support grants for businesses in the EEZ and voted accordingly.
I try and be open-minded about the OBA being this brand new party and all, but it’s really hard to swallow when you see the same faces up front and central as with the UBP. So the BDA and UBP meshed into the OBA, yet it still looks like the UBP because the same people seem to be in control. Why don’t some of those UBP’ers step aside and make room for all the ‘new blood’ we keep hearing about. The only person who seemed to go on the chopping block was Mr. Barrritt.
Call me cynical but I sometimes wonder if this whole thing was the plan from the beginning…have this breakaway group adamant that they were fresh blood out for change, blah, blah, blah only for the UBP’ers to later join them saying they had ‘seen the light’ and were on board with all the BDA believed in. Why else are we still seeing the old UBP guard up front and central? Wouldn’t the BDA’ers say ‘this is the way it’s going to go-you’re going to step aside to make room for new blood…’ yet we don’t see that. We see the former UBP’ers appearing to be very much in control of this new party. They’re even sticking them in safe seats so what are we to think?
I’m really starting to think the OBA is full of it and it’s irritating me. They attack the PLP and accuse them of being deceitful but the OBA appear to be the deceitful ones to me. Why put us through all of this? People were so full of the PLP that the UBP just may have gotten back in even under the UBP banner so why go chasing after this new party and go through all this mumbo jumbo? I just smell a rat with the whole thing, quite frankly…
The only reason the UBP still ‘exists’ is to deceive the people into thinking that the OBA is something different. Everyone knows that Mr. Kimpossible was stationed there for the task. That’s the game of changing the captain on the sinking ship so that the real captain can go and man a new vessel…introducing the OBA. It’s VERY clear that the OBA are the only ones telling the BOLD faced lie (not ‘bald’ faced lie Craig, unless it’s a typo). They clearly want to destroy they EEZ by neutralizing it with ‘extension’. That’s like saying were going to extend Hamilton across the whole Island. That effectively destroys the “ZONE” in economic empowerment ZONE. Then their vote against grants seals the deal. Tell me how the Hell is it economic empowerment if you see government grants as “immoral”? ? ?
These guys are protecting the elite. Transcripts don’t lie, the OBA does.
@Judge Dredd: I’ve thought the very same thing with Kim Swan and Charlie Swan and the ‘UBP’! I think this is all by design as well, with the Swans sticking around with the ‘UBP’just to make it look like it still exists and to remind us that the OBA is a different party. What’s the point in keeping the UBP around? Are we to believe that these two are THAT committed to seeing the UBP survive? No-I think that this is all by design just as P.P. said as well. I think this was the plan from the beginning which means the UBP/BDA/OBA are taking Bermudians-mainly black Bermudians-for a ride. Do they really think Bermudians are that stupid??? I smell a rat as well and it STINKS!
If that’s the case why are they fighting for the same seats effectively splitting the opposition vote, lets face it those in the areas mentioned that do not vote PLP would not all of a sudden vote PLP this is not 1998.
LOL
The PLP telling lies?? That’s their party platform!
Blame Mr. Snob – is he your liar or cheater Mr. Logical?
If I remember correctly it was Bob Richard who actually put forward the original idea for the Economic Zone in North Hamilton. The PLP then adopted the idea.
The PLP ramping up the rhetoric. Sounds like the election is just about to be announced.
OBA keep coming on strong. Don’t back down. Fire with fire. Don’t wimp out.
The facts are the facts, I don’t get why the OBA is so upset. They voted against grants, why are they mad that they are being called out for it?
Kiss me granny backside. Bob brought up original idea of EEZ. That’s a mofo lie of no mean order.
It was first proposed by the UBP in the reply to the throne speech in 2004. The PLP took the idea and it came into effect in 2006.
Why should I be surprised that politicians are taking snippets of a statement, reapplying them out of context and spinning them into something they are not? Even the devil took Scripture out of context to try to trick Jesus in the wilderness….
Thank you Bernews for publishing the longer comments so intelligent readers can understand their true meaning and context. It looks like we’re in for a real “American” style election this time…all trash and spin, zero content.
…and in case it wasn’t clear, I was referring to the PLP’s spin of Bob Richard’s actual comments, not the OBA rebuttle of the PLP’s ill-conceived attempt to scaremonger.
The battle gets hotter!! Bring it on!!
Wow…desperate times call for desperate measures. Who knows maybe next they will resort to showing the homes of some of the wealthier OBA members and trying to say …see how they live. See how we live. LOL.
Funny carefull thats the next flier.
LOL
Mr. Tuzo, dont let babylon use you!!
word thought that was you!
PLP is not smart enough to win an election with solid policies.
PLP – Standing Wrong
OBA, please do not become passive in this election like the UBP did, please fight fire with fire, get as nasty as you have to, we have your back. We can’t live here like this anymore, we’re out of work and hungry.
This is all so childish and such a turn off. Not that we are putting guns in the hands of the youth directly, but this behavior is approval of their acts of revenge and immaturity.. Not setting an example either side!!!! and to those people waiting for anything negative regarding the government to feed their already subjective mind its childish.. I am not impressed with either side, vote??? not sure even though many people fought to give me this right years ago.. Just had enough of it all and we wonder why the youth are the way they are.. stop the petty bickering
What behavior are you talking about? Telling lies or defending yourself when someone purposely twists words? Sounds like there’s only one side being childish here. When Craig mentions “expect more” he is referring to expect more from the PLP, not an equally and flagrantly childish response from the OBA. Watch the video and see.
I just checked my mail box and low and behold there was a flier addressed to Our Friends and what I thought was my address until I looked a bit closer – right number wrong road – it got ripped up and thrown in the trash without even being read. My mailbox is for mail that that is properly addressed to my house IT IS NOT a recepticle for junk mail – at least with email I can block unwanted mail. How do I block unwanted mail in my mail box – especially when the postal delivery staff seem to have theinability to read ?
Dear Bernews – I don’t think the PLP would appreciate your listing their “Facts” right below the actual statement of Bob Richards because it kind of clearly demonstrates the LIARS that they are. Can’t you place their statment some place more convenient so that ignorant readers can believe the lies for even half a second? Thanks.
PLP lying. Nothing new. Standard operating procedure.
Keep going, guys. Expose them for what they are. Liars and amateurs.
Not lies…deception….remeber the spindoctors words to his own PLP . We had to deceive you!!
“The party of no ideas and no solutions would be advised to tell the Bermudian people where they stand on the challenges that we as a country face instead of trying to rewrite history and run away from their record.”
Ha, ha….the PLP accusing people of having no ideas, rewriting history and running away from their record. Ummm..let’s consider the PLPs ideas and their record…how about we discuss those…yeah, that’s what I thought, silence.
Well, at least we know the election won’t be until 2013 now. If we take the licence plate in the flyer as an indication at least.
I saw a photo of a thirteen car pile up on East Broadway today. It’s weird but all of the cars in that same wreck had the same license plates?
Is anyone surprised?
They can’t even lie properly and get caught out every time!!
Jokers.
I’d like to know who decides who gets how much from EEZ.
I’d also like to know how many supporters of the ruling party have had help from the EEZ in getting set up in business verses non ruling party supporters.
How is it decided who to help and how much?
What qualifies someone to get support from EEZ?
I know of two persons that were set up in business by EEZ that didn’t even have a job prior to owning a business with the help of EEZ and both are staunch ruling party supporters. I’m happy for them, but how is this all decided?
I think that overall EEZ is a good thing, but it seems the help given and to who is a little controversial.
Noone has ever given me anything; I’ve worked for everything I have.
http://www.bedc.bm/economic-empowerment-zone/
Eastern – don’t know your answers, but I should point out that if you read Bob Richards’ statment, your concern of ‘who decides who gets what’ is EXACTLY the situation he was referring to when he said, “No, no, no. This is a huge moral hazard”…
eastern….the eez ans bsbdc application process is flawed….the number of successful applicants is low…the amount of funds that have been given out is low based on the total amount of funding on hand…$10s of millions of dollars…the qualifying criteria is flawed….and they types of companies one can get funding for is also limited to retail n similar mom n pop sales points…and the obas proposals dont go far enough to make this program more successful for all applicants…..and i doubt they have examined the flaws in the eez…..if they had they would have come to the table with a much better improvement proposal if they were to be elected. the obviously have not done their homework…on the flaws of the eez and the bsbdc….
The fact the OBA responded really says a lot about them, the election is around the corner and who ever said that the game of polictics is played fairly.
Having now fully read Bob Richard’s statement in Parliament (via the pdf link in this article), I am outraged with the blatant lies of the PLP. I encourage everyone to READ THE FULL TEXT. He is quite CLEARLY talking about the process and not the idea of grants when he says it is a moral hazard…and he’s absolutely correct! Furthermore he explains that ‘grants’ have no place in the Act, not because he is against helping small businesses as the PLP would have you believe, but that the Act is riddled with inconsistencies and errors, and the word grant is incorrectly useds….read the truth people, or be led to the slaughter.
This sort of deceitful nonsence really grinds my gears!
Where’s the PLP supporters?
LMAO!
Mr. Neville Tyrrell,
I thought you had more integrity than that. I am sadly disappointed in you right now.
These type of smoke screens are going to become very common over the next few months, keep the opposition busy defending themselves and they have little time to group and move forward, it started months ago and only the other day Paula gave some spin about Morgans Point. I urge all of us to see through this and identify it on social media to help knock it down quickly, we need to be strong and defeat this as the candy store is empty now and we need to change the lineup. True the OBA don’t have all the answers but at least an honest albeit slightly inexperienced party can be shown what’s needed
*This* is the Craig Cannonier I like to see! More importantly, *this* is the OBA I like to see — not taking the PLP’s constant onslaught of misinformation and propaganda lying down, but instead taking a visible and vocal stance against it!
And they’ll still win….
“If you can’t pay your rent, it doesn’t matter if you are black or white”
He, He!
Love it
Eh. No one should be surprised when the PLP get something wrong.
Desperate people do desperate things.
Let’s face it, the plp have to either distract from the issues or convince people that our growing debt is a good thing. They’re trying both, but neither is really working. We would have to be crazy to vote for a party that shows its incompetence on a daily basis. Who actually has confidence that everything is going to be okay under the plp?
Small Busness EEZ they are so For of Shi*T question do they really help small business or is this a political football, they are not trying to help peolple,,,they know that they are just bullSh*tin
even their show on sunday nites is fake , especally the Host, who
is always laughing when a theres no Joke,
all bermudian politicians cater to the rich families that have controlled bermuda…this is y they all need to go….and the dual parliment needs to go with them we are a part of the uk and dont need any of these political parties in bermuda….
This is interesting… the PLP 2012 budget gave the EEZ BSBD WAY less money to work with. now they want to use EEZ to help promote themselves? EEZ doesnt even have enough money to back small biz right now cuz the coffers are weak thanks to the PLP.
the eez…its supposed to be working with both banks….there should be at least 10 million available via the banks…eez, and bsbdc
Mr. Richards spoke out loud in the house, now on the news he hid behind Craig. Craig on TV appeared uncertain, slipups and fumbles over words to come up with. OBA voted against the grants in the house, and said it should be given to all….but such as the name implies is for folks that are in greater need. OBA is caught out on this one….and so the heat has started, but the question is who can handle it? The OBA appeared like a jiggled, agitated, and shuddered. David Burt remain calm and graceful, giving full reasons and explanation..well done David.
Don’t be fooled. The PLP has defunded the EEZ. Ask them what their budget is.
Kiss me granny neckback. OBA says PLP spend all the money. OBA says OBA theif all the money but when they show fiscal responsibility by cutting back which they did in almost all depatmental budgets, the OBA give PLP hell?
Can’t support liars and to me, the OBA are the Big Fat Face Liars. Bold face my a$$ – fat old gray face liars they are indeed!
OBA say PLP thief all the money.
Fat old gray head, big face lying liars. Can’t trust the rich man who are running scared that living off their vested investments are down 20%.
Sir, please remain calm and just hand the crack pipe to me and everything will be fine. I promise those men won’t hurt you…
@Sweetgirl – if you actually read waht Mr. Richards said IN CONTEXT via the full transcript of the session (provided in the Bernews link) you will see that the PLP have purposefully TWISTED his words to fit their purpose here. Not only is a a bald-faced-lie, it was an intentionaly misrepresentation intentded to deceive!
don’t be suprised if sweet is special…………..
LOL
The bottom line is the OBA VOTED AGAINST THE EZZ. A vote against the Ezz indicates where he and the OBA stand on this issue. If they were for it, they would have fought for amendments, and than voted on it… A NO VOTE…..clearly inidicates where they stand….NO EZZ…..
Context??? What are you talking about.. he said. “The whole idea of grants, to me, is unacceptable. It needs to be removed.”
How the eff is that out of context.
OBA look bad. Cannonier looks on the edge. Burt spoke well on tv.
Your point, a good liar beats the polygraph by staying calm.
LOL not saying Burt is a liar or Craig but your logic is flawed.
Craig give it a rest. Bob said it, now own it. Get some b@alls and own it. What’s wrong with it we all agreed with bob in caucus
I’m so ashame to be OBA. We supported Bob and now Craig is having this made out not to be true. Thank goodness Michael didn’t see fit to attend,he won’t lie.
That was almost convincing, not quite there yet, I need more oba passion, you have to sell it…”Secret troops” lol.
LOL proof that the plp has trolls! Nobody in their right mind would actually say this…the plp are desperate!
Sally sue…don’t you mean specialgirl?
Yeah Dunkley knows when to avoid the fire, he knew this would not go over well, and Mr Cannioner would falter in his presentation. Poor presentation and poor sound-bites. OBA voted against the EZZ zone,,
The circus has begun, bring in the clown.
I say vote the PLP back in. They should have to sort out their own mess. Vote PLP.
I say they are full or crap !this whole thing stinks, i hope sucess for the business involved but i dont like the spirt in which it was done in….i will not be voting for plp ,
Who cares, the fact is we are in debt 1.5bn there are no jobs
and PLP remain in power it’s going to get much worse. That’s it.
Personally I own two businesses, during the last four years I have
Had to add cash flow on a regular basis to keep them going, well
The pots nearly dry and when it stops there will be another 35 bermudians
looking for work. It’s that simple, you can all BS each other with
bickering but it’s the bottom line that’ counts. You’ll find businessmen
Couldn’t care less who leads the country as long as it’s being
run properly. I pray bermudians know what’s
good for this county my future and 35 others
is in your.
The response you hear now when someone like yourself says what you say, is that you are holding people to ransom. There are a whole lot of people out there that have no concept of what it takes to run a business and that includes most of the present PLP Cabinet.
Craig I thought bears hibernate in the winter not summer!!!
I believe the correct saying is, ‘bold face lie’
Bald face lie is in fact the correct version. Bold face lie is a variant that can also be used.
I thought so too, until I looked it up and bald-faced is actually correct. Bold-faced is also used, but is a more recent phrase based on the original bald-faced.
Odd isn’t it, the PLP are behaving like Republicans. Unable to handle facts, lying until it becomes a version of the truth, taking quotes out of context. The mouthbreathers live in their alternatereality bubble. Party first.
What a bunch of a$%holes the PLP have become.
It is appear you are having more difficulty than anyone. THe OBA voted against the EZZ so where is the lie? The votes represent if an MP is for or against something…… OBA failed on this one big time, and Craig preaching from the pupit, did no good to help them.
Like they say “want to hide something from black people, put it in a book (or this case, House minutes)”. Bob Richards did in fact say grants were terrible idea for businesses as they were for profit organizations! He is absolutely right as a grant is a gift and has no place in using them for start ups except for nonprofits or education. This is why we are in the predicament that we are in now! Lets just give money away to whoever without have a criterium and not expect a repercussion for our actions! I do not understand how this current government thinks regarding fiscal policies. I say do away with business grants and soley concentrate on loans that have to be paid back with low interest rates. Stimulating businesses and not fostering financial irresponsibilities!
@ wow, That comment is RIGHT on the money.
All working adults should know by now that nothing is for FREE! Somebody, somewhere, at some point in time has to pay for it. lets all think back to a few freebies that have since been abandoned ; Bermuda college, Bus fare, ferry fare, seniors tcd registration, to name a few. Instead of free why not give a discount, or simply lower the price. Just my thoughts.
Have a great day Bermuda!
@ Wow: I agree with everything you say except your first line.
Sweet girl aka Special girl for you aka Betty trump notwithstanding, black people DO read.
I am convinced that only those who have a vested interest in the PLP remaining in power will continue to try and push the idea that Bob Richards, and by extension, the OBA wants to end EEZ. Both Mr. Richards and Mr. Cannonier have made it clear that, contrary to ending EEZ, they want to EXTEND it…but not by making grants.
IF the OBA read the policies and procedures of the EZZ, they know very well no monies where given away with out a return. The loans provided, must be paid back. This is clearly apart of their overall programme. So Uncle Bob knew this, yet decided to not to support the EZZ…… OBA did not support it, regardless….
The EEZ is self-serving, fluff legislation. It makes it APPEAR as if the PLP are helping small business. But the PLP know nothing about business, so now could they help anyone? For instance, the EEZ office in Somerset is a joke because there is no market in Somerset for new businesses; not enough people live out there. Many, including myself have attempted to set up businesses in Somerset and failed… too small of a market.
Handing out grants, giving away free money, is typical PLP election strategy. Then they repeal the legislation because of unintended consequences, which they were too shallow to think about in the first place.
IMO, giving away grants to new small businesses is just a way for the PLP’s to funnel taxpayer funds to friends & family. Because that’s all it is… the PLP only help their own, you all know that. So stop the B.S.!!
I have read all statements and documents regarding the flyers, the PLP position, and the OBA position. My opinions are as follows:
1. Mr. Richards did not clearly indicate that he was against the EEZ; however, he did indicate via his vote that he did not support the bill.
2. The PLP flyer is not a “bold face lie” – it is a PLP position based on their “view” of the statements or lack thereof from the OBA.
3. The OBA has not clearly indicate their position on the EEZ – they stated that they want to extend the EEZ across the island which, in turn, goes against the purpose of the EEZ – doesn’t that mean they don’t want them? Just saying – that’s logical.
4. Politics in Bermuda has never been “clean” – thus the shock the PLP flyers have caused is not a shock to me.
5. Mr. Richards, Mr. Fahy, Mr. Crockwell and all other former UBP MPs will not get the respect they want until they realize that people will always hold them accountable for not stepping down after they left the UBP – - THEY DID NOT EARN THEIR SEATS UNDER THE OBA/BDA. That is dishonest – so their distain for the “dishonest PLP” will continue to fall on deaf ears for some members of the public.
The public doesn’t forget – -
Yng Black Mind
(those who know understand)
So there it is we deserve the social unrest we have and will continue to have until a turning point hits weather it be in the form a voilence or not.
LOL politics ripping a country apart one place at a time since inception.
(those who really understand history know history)
@Yng Black Mind -
If you read the full pdf transcript of the session you will observe:
1) Mr. Richard’s lack of support for the bill was as a result of issues he had with items in the bill; it was arguably poorly thought through. Therefore, not supporting a bill due to issues with the bill DOES NOT indicated antying about his view of the EEZ
2) Their “view” was intended to mislead and deceive the public. Again, read Mr. Richard’s comments IN CONTEXT and you will see why the PLP ‘view’ is intentionally misleading. So it is not simply a difference in ‘view’ but intentional deception.
3) What kind of logic is that? If you want to extend something to more people, is that somehow taking it away from the original people? The purpose of the EEZ is to build-up certain defined areas…the fact that other areas are being identified as requiring assistance warrants extension, but says nothing about ‘being agaist the EEZ altogether’
4) There is a difference between ‘clean’ and purposefully distorting the facts to people whom you know very well are not going to check the facts! The intent is to deceive the less informed public. That should not be acceptable by the Premier. It is one thing for a member of a party to make an ‘off the cuff’ remark that is not ‘clean’ because that could be chalked up as poor judgement in the heat of the moment. This was a properly conceived, supported and executed malicious party-wide attempt to decieve the public.
As far as the public not forgetting…I hope you are right. Because then they won’t forget all of the lies and wasted money under this government which has helped to put us in this mess.
The OBA voted against the EZZ zone, no words can change how they voted. A NO VOTE, suggest you are not for the EZZ, even if you say the opposite. The vote sets your position. NO VOTE IS AGAINST THE EZZZ…………..stop the spin….
Firstly, its EEZ not EZZ. Secondly, the bill in question to which these statement by Bob Richards were made was not a bill relating to supporting or not supporting the EEZ. It was a bill to AMMEND the EEZ. See the comment below by ‘Just the Facts’ for clarification. It was a bill that was fraught with issues which Bob was pointing out, such as the giving of ‘free money’ without any accountability (i.e. the process by which grants were to be given). On second thought, maybe you are right…maybe it is the EZ-Z because it would be great to get ‘easy money’ for free. You don’t need to spin when you have the facts! Once you’ve regained your composure from all your self-spinning, maybe you will see the truth.
@theothersidebda:
Thank you for your views. I enjoy a debate based on ideas and factual information. I really don’t have any issues with your comments; however, I would like to point out a couple of things:
1. In regards to the EEZ. The purpose of the EEZ which means Economic Empowerment Zone, was to stimulate specific areas for business growth. Businesses in these areas were giving tax breaks and other incentives to get businesses moving and growing – correct? If the OBA provides those breaks to all businesses across the board, how can it benefit those specific areas that the EEZ was designed to assist? The ANSWER – IT WON’T. Thus, it can be logically agreed that the OBA will do away, eliminate, cut (anyway you want to put it) EEZs (as they stand now). The bottom line is most black Bermudians will perceive that as an attack on local business and business owners.
(Note – I stated that it will be perceived that way – it may not be their intent).
People will say – “why does Gibbon’s Company, AS Coopers and the like businesses on Reid and Front Streets need to be in an EEZ?”
Regardless if those businesses need tax relief or the perks of being in an EEZ, it will not fly with the average “Joe Public” voter in Bermuda – it simply won’t.
In regards to Mr. Richards support of EEZ’s – - he voted against the bill – nuff said. It doesn’t matter if he agrees or not – please read my original comment regarding this one – I said the same thing you said – lol.
Perception is the point of all of this – - people will believe what they choose to believe.
Yng Black Mind
(those who know understand)
So if pereception is the point of all this, I’ll ask you this one question:
When you read Mr. Richard’s actual words in their full context, do you perceive that the PLP stating in their rebuttle:
“Fact: Bob Richards told the House of Assembly in regards to EEZ grants that, “The whole idea of grants, to me, is unacceptable. It needs to be removed.”
Fact: Bob Richards said in regards to EEZ grants, “No, no, no. This is a huge moral hazard.”
as NOT being intentionally misleading? Surely, you must be able to recognize that doing this was not merely their perception. You are surely smarter than to think that any elected official could misperceive those particular snippets. Then, surely the INTENT of posting those comments as they have done was SOLELY to deceive. That’s the biggest issue I have with the whole saga…it’s not about whether or not a ‘non vote’ is a ‘no vote’, it’s about misrepresenting the FACTS to people to the point where they can’t figure out the truth.
@theothersidebda
My comments reflect the feelings of some of the voters of this country. They don’t believe it to be misleading or deceiving in anyway.
I did not provide my position on the matter in anyway.
That is the nature of the beast when it comes to politics – - they will believe what they choose to believe.
Yng Black Mind
(those who know understand)
Yes, I know you did not provide your position. That is what I was asking you for. You seem to be an intelligent and articulate (and presumably based on your name), young black man. Thus, I was intereested in your position based on the actual stated facts of the situation.
You need not answer your position if you don’t feel comfortable. I already know that some people don’t find it misleading…was curious however to know your personal view on whether or not you thought it was.
Thanks Youngblack mind, you always provide such insight to an issue.
YBM-
With respect, allow me to retort-
1. Isn’t this simply tactical vs. strategic? I don’t see a contradiction between conceptual support for an idea, but not supporting poor implementation of it.
2. By intentionally selecting quotes out of context, the intent of Mr. Richards’ words was distorted. Is that dishonest? Unethical? Misleading? I’d pick misleading at best; dishonest at worst.
3. EEZ’s are more intended to benefit specific areas facing economic hardship. Bermuda needs country-wide economic stimulus. The Island isn’t facing a situation where Hamilton is doing well, but St. George’s is not. All of the Island needs help; why not use this mechanism?
4. See 2. above; the blatant misrepresentation (and ease with which it can be shown) here is the shocker.
5. May well be, but certainly within the rules as in effect now. Should it be different? That’s a separate question. And for the benefit of those upset members of the public- call the election! That’s the fastest way to re-enfranchise voters that feel they have been baited and switched, so to speak.
EW
Mr. Wells:
Thank you for your comments.
1. First, please re-read my original statement regarding Mr. Richard’s vote on the matter of EEZs. I never said that he did not clearly show a lack of support for EEZs – I said that he did not vote for the bill. There is no spin on that point – a no vote is simply that – a no vote.
2. Perception is key.
3. In regards to the EEZ. The purpose of the EEZ, which means Economic Empowerment Zone, was to stimulate specific areas for business growth. Businesses in these areas were giving tax breaks and other incentives to get businesses moving and growing – correct? If the OBA provides those breaks to all businesses across the board, how can it benefit those specific areas that the EEZ was designed to assist? The ANSWER – IT WON’T. Thus, it can be logically agreed that the OBA will do away, eliminate, cut (anyway you want to put it) EEZs (as they stand now). The bottom line is most black Bermudians will perceive that as an attack on local business and business owners.
(Note – I stated that it will be perceived that way – it may not be their intent).
People will say – “why does Gibbon’s Company, AS Coopers and the like businesses on Reid and Front Streets need to be in an EEZ?”
Regardless if those businesses need tax relief or the perks of being in an EEZ, it will not fly with the average “Joe Public” voter in Bermuda – it simply won’t. How is a “perk” a “perk” when you give it to everybody?
4. That’s politics. I saw that turn when the UBP members abandoned Mr. Kim Swan and defected to the OBA on a “legal hiccup” – no honour in that. It wasn’t about honesty and fairness then – it was about getting the best chance to win the next election – and that mindset continues now.
5. I do not disagree with you on this point; however, an election is not going to get those voter to be re-enfranchised with the political process. The political landscape in Bermuda is so tained with dirty and mud (on both sides) – we need a true cleaning – - get rid of all of them – but that’s pie in the sky dreams. We can all dream can’t we?
Yng Black Mind
(those who know understand)
YBM-
Thank you for expanding on your thoughts.
I am completely on board with your two main themes- first, perception is reality for many voters, and second, the Island needs a true cleaning.
Sadly, the latter will not happen, and the former will likely not create the best path forward.
EW
@EW
Completely agreed, sir.
Yng Black Mind
(those who know understand)
In your point number 3 you say, “If the OBA provides those breaks to all businesses across the board, how can it benefit those specific areas that the EEZ was designed to assist? ” You are using some strange logic there, Mate… potential new business in the EEZs will NOT be ignored if it is extended Island-wide. Duh! Where did Bob say that by extending the EEZ to the whole Island, it would be removed from the current EEZ zones?
And then you draw reference to Coopers and Gibbons Company as businesses who do not need EEZ help so the EEZ Zone should not be extended to all of Hamilton. That’s because Gibbons and Coopers are not NEW SMALL businesses. Duh! Again. What about all the other small businesses in Hamilton that are struggling as a result of the PLPs fiscal policies, or lack thereof… are they to get NO assistance? Why?!
IMO, the EEZs just make it APPEAR as if the PLP are helping small business, when they are not… they know nothing about business… they are just funneling free money to their friends & family. The PLP only help their own, y’all know that!
@LOL (original TM*):
I don’t even know where to start with your comments. No where in my post did I speak to/about social unrest – I commented on the flyer situation and discussed the EEZ.
I also made comments on the former UBP MPs and their lack of honesty in regards to their elected seats not failing undertheir current party – nothing more.
Your “bastard-izing” of my tagline is the only point of distain for me from your comments – lol.
Yng Black Mind
(those who know understand)
I always read your posts as I think you have a lot to offer and I have in the past endorsed you if you were to run so please do not think I am in any way insulting you with my statement if you thought that I apologize. I simply addressed your point five that if people continue to let biases control what they hear then they maybe in fact walking off the cliff so to speak which IMO has lead to social unrest ie the types of crimes we see occurring which while some of these have roots in the past injustices I argue that some are also new in the making. Also that politics seems to not be delivering us from the wrongs of our society and seem to me to be almost pushing things in that direction. Have you not herd people say what would happen if the PLP lost the election? Not that I believe it would happen but you never know. We seem to get so caught up in drama rightly or wrongly that it stops the country from coming together and listening to each other which creates the 2nd class citizen syndrome if you follow, hence my reference to the past and truly understanding it. I totally concur with your cleaning comments later on but I think those with influence ie money and power would never go quietly into the night. Just tired of the constant misleading of the public. It is just my perception that the type of politics in the above the PLP seem to be the antagonists although perceptions are arguable..
LOL guess I’m just a simple man/voter looking for something with integrity to vote for but seeing no options so it is to be the lesser of two evils.
Oh!…regarding where you say, “I also made comments on the former UBP MPs and their lack of honesty in regards to their elected seats not failing undertheir current party …”
What about the “hardest working man in the PLP”… Wayne Furbert?? Hypocrite. There are others too, do I need to remind you of who they are?!
If anyone from the PLP is reading this can you please try to print the next flyer on soft paper, this one gave my ass a rash!
if u have MP before your name your a lair
Before I post what Bob Richards actually said about grants, let me create some context with what the PLP hates the most: facts. Sometime before the 2003 election, Grant Gibbons and David Dodwell tabled a take note motion in the House supporting the creation of special economic zones. This was the first discussion of the idea by any party; it’s a pity that the Hansard doesn’t go back that far, so we could see what the PLP government had to say at that time. Creation of the EEZ was promoted in the 2003 UBP platform. The PLP govt didn’t create the EEZ until 2006. Bob Richards made his quote about grants in 2011 when the government amended the act that created the Small Business Corporation. The bill before the House had nothing to do with supporting or not supporting the EEZ. Prior to 2011, the SBC had the ability to guarantee loans from banks and make loans with clear controls and accountability. The amendment was to allow the SBC to make “grants,” or gifts that had no limits, no caps, no accountability. That’s what Bob was speaking to and what the OBA voted against. THEY VOTED AGAINST LACK OF ACCOUNTABILITY!
Here’s Bob’s actual statement, unedited by the PLP propaganda machine:
Mr. Everard T. (Bob) Richards: [] I have always been a supporter of the Bermuda Small Business Development Corporation. Quite frankly, I think that it has done a very good job in recent years under the current Government administration. They have done a good job. I have no criticism. So I want to say that before I say anything else so that people do not get the wrong impression. I support this institution. I supported it when it was started back in, I guess, the 1980s, and I support it now with the addition of the economic development zones.
What we have here [referring to the proposed bill] is assistance to for-profit organisations. You know, this is assistance to private sector companies, businesses for profit. Now, the Americans have this lovely phrase that they use for things like this. And the phrase is “a moral hazard.” Giving grants to for-profit businesses is a moral hazard because who decides which businesses get which grants and which businesses do not get grants? It is a big difference. You lend somebody money or you guarantee a loan to somebody to give them a hand-up, than giving somebody money saying, Here, take it, Jack. You don’t ever have to pay it back.
An Hon. Member: Get money for free.
Mr. Everard T. (Bob) Richards: Yes. And then you say, well, you know, who is going to get that kind of deal? My ace boys? No, no, no. This is a huge moral hazard, Mr. Speaker, the kind of moral hazard that we should not be going down, a road we should not be going down at all. No. There is a very strict line between loans, guaranteed . . . I mean, the other financial assistance in the Act clearly referred to guarantees, right, clearly. It certainly did not refer to gifts. Then you have the nonsense later on the Act about, you know, inserting the word “grant” as it relates to interest and fees. So what are you going to do? Give somebody money and then charge them interest for it? It is lunacy! This has not been thought through, Mr. Speaker. It has not been thought through. This word “grant” has no business being in this Act—no business.
Makes more sense now
Mr. Richard’s vote on the matter of EEZs. I never said that he did not clearly show a lack of support for EEZs – I said that he did not vote for the bill. There is no spin on that point – a no vote is simply that – a no vote….Youngblack Mind..puts it best….A NOT VOTE by the OBA is the final result.
@ Just the Facts: ” Bob Richards made his quote about grants in 2011 when the government amended the act that created the Small Business Corporation. THE BILL BEFORE THE HOUSE HAD NOTHING TO DO WITH SUPPORTING OR NOT SUPPORTING EEZ. Prior to 2011, the SBC had the ability to guarantee loans from banks and make loans with clear controls and accountability. The amendment was to allow the SBC to make “grants,” or gifts that had no limits, no caps, no accountability. That’s what Bob was speaking to and what the OBA voted against. THEY VOTED AGAINST LACK OF ACCOUNTABILITY!”
Thank you very much for this clarification. I am reprinting the salient points again, (first caps mine) so that folks have a chance to get the point/facts straight – the PLP lied, because Bob Richards did not vote against EEZ. He voted against the amendment to the Small Business Development Corporation Act.
bernews
i asked why are my posts being edited….still no reply….
Join the club, just assume you said something stupid like I do and they’re doing you a favor. Plus if YOU say something about someone that hasn’t been proven THEY could probably be hit with slander or something. They edited something I said yesterday yet they had an entire article about it so I dunno, I just breath and let it go.
n bernews im not going to let this go so i expect an answer u can in box me on face book if u wish
Hey just noticed that Betty Trump is all over another blog on this subject writing about the “EZZ” on more than one post. Similarly Sweetgirl is calling it the “EZZ” as well…funny that no one else in the combined 200 posts between these two blogs has made this mistake but these two individuals have consistently called it the “EZZ”. Sweetgirl = Betty Trump…is anyone really surprised though?
No, but in her defence, sweetgirls posts are a lot shorter and don’t make me want to find the nearest pencil to ram into my eye. The grammar however is spot on.
Bernews, could you find out if the recent ship mishap in dockyard that caused some damage to another ship that was docked there have got Lloyds of London to sue our Gov for damages ?
I doubt that our Gov’t will have to face a liability law suit. The ship broke it moorings because the ship’s tie-up rope broke during a freak gale, with a 45 mph wind gust, that hit them out of the blue. It was a weather related accident where the only liability I believe would be regarding the worn out rope used to tie up the ship. The ship’s fault.
Of course you all realize this PLP move is only to stir their base to get them out to vote. One of many releases in the build up to the election. For them it is imperative do it otherwise the apathy will keep them at home this time around. Us debating it is pointless as we all really know what the deal is.
@Craig Looby – I know I’m later on this but all comments have to be checked before being posted – next time u post take a look – it will state that the comment is awaiting moderation – jeezzzzzzz that is easy enough to understand – but then again people don’t read the full story and understand that before they jump on a post – takes too long I guess.