Row Over “Wired” MP Recording Conversation
[Updated: PLP call for tape to be released]
The Opposition Leader said that MP Nandi Outerbridge was pressured to be “wired” to record a conversation with him, while the Premier said “none of us told her to record” and what was on the tape was “atrocious.”
Speaking in the House of Assembly on Friday [Feb 14], Opposition Leader Marc Bean said that while he was delivering his personal explanation, the Premier said “you wait until we release your tape.”
Saying he wants to let people know what tape it is, Mr. Bean said that in July an MP went through “personal challenges” and he was contacted by someone asking that the PLP does not attack her in Parliament.
The Opposition Leader said when it comes to “personal affairs” he would not attack someone, so arranged a meeting with the MP so he could “reassure” her would not attack her.
“Low and behold, I have come to find out — and it has been admitted by this Honourable Member — that she was wired, she recorded our conversation,” said Mr. Bean.
Audio of Marc Bean and Premier Cannonier discussing the matter*:
Mr. Bean continued, “Someone on her side put her up, understanding that she was under supreme pressure, and they wired her up to come and record my conversation with her…when I am trying to help her out.”
Both the Premier and Minister Shawn Crockwell interrupted Mr. Bean with a Point of Order.
Minister Crockwell said, “The Honourable Member is making serious allegations, he needs to say who pressured that Member to be wired to go and record that Member….”
Mr. Bean then said, “Member Nandi Outerbridge Davis, do you care to get up and let us all know who pressured you to record our discussion?” There was no audible reply from Ms Outerbridge.
Premier Craig Cannonier addressed the recording later on saying, ”None of us told her to record. And that she was wired? This is ridiculous Mr. Speaker. But I can tell you this Mr Speaker, that I have heard what that tape said.
The Premier continued, “It is bad. I’m going to say it again, it is atrocious what I heard on that tape. The things that were said.
“The Honourable Member in this House, I did not tell them to record that conversation. So if there was any stress being put on that Honourable Member I can clearly say from where I stand, it was coming from somewhere else, it wasn’t coming from here.
“If it was Mr Speaker, we would have put the tape out there already,” added the Premier. “It’s not illegal. And he thinks we haven’t thought about that or looked at that.”
The Premier, while not specifically saying it was on the tape but saying it at the same time he was discussing the tape, also said one of their members who was “under a very distressful situation” was encouraged to “drop out” or “come to the other side.”
When asked, Ms Outerbridge, through an OBA spokesperson, declined to provide a copy of the tape.
Update 4.23pm: The PLP has called for the release the full version of this recording.
A statement from the PLP said, “We find it curious that the OBA refuse to release the tape, yet allege that the tape contains something untoward. This is typical of the dishonest behavior we have come to expect from the OBA.
“For the good of the country, we demand that they release the full, unedited version of the recording of this private conversation so that the public can judge for themselves.
“We are supremely concerned about the conduct of Premier Craig Cannonier, Minister Shawn Crockwell, AG Mark Pettingill and MP Nandi Outerbridge.
“PLP leader Marc Bean will speak to this matter and other issues tonight in a live interview on Let’s Talk with Gary Moreno at 8pm on ZBM.”
Update 6.55pm: When asked if there was any laws against recording people in person — as a general rule not specifically about this matter or any other — the Centre of Justice indicated that there is no prohibition against recording without someone’s consent.
Update 6.59pm: Nandi Outerbridge has spoken out this evening about the recorded conversation, saying that as she “did not feel any trust toward Mr. Bean” she decided to record their conversation for her own protection.
The St. George’s MP said that the Opposition Leader said “many disgusting and disturbing things” and also said that no one pressured her, she did not wear a “wire” and recorded the conversation on her cell phone. Her full statement is here.
*The audio is not completely concurrent, it is two sections spliced together discussing the same matter. Up until the 4 minute mark it is concurrent, then it “jumps” to later on during the session when the Premier spoke about it.
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The OBA needs to go ASAP!!!!!!
why….
“Speaker in the House of Assembly on Friday [Feb 14], Opposition Leader Marc Bean said that while he was delivering his personal explanation, the Premier said “you wait until we release your tape.” – Bernews
One only not had to hear the House of Assembly on Friday, but one also had to witness what took place. As I mention the Premier seem to brag about the fact that the OBAubp set up the conversation to be recorded between MPs Mark Bean and Nandi Outerbridge. When asked if Nandi would like to say whom put her up to it, she indicated no, but did not deny that she had recorded the conversation without Mr. Bean’s Permission. This is a break of the law. Looks like Mrs. Outerbridge is once again a piece on the chess board that is being moved accordingly.
It is not legal to record any conversation without the permission of the individual (s). The UBPoba have broken the law. Look up Bermuda laws under the communication act.
This action by the UBPoba is surely speaks to the integrity, transparency and honestly of the government. It really calls it to a new low in Bermuda Politics.
Premier Craig Cannonier addressed the recording later on saying, ”None of us told her to record. And that she was wired? This is ridiculous Mr. Speaker. But I can tell you this Mr Speaker, that I have heard what that tape said.”- Bernews
The mere fact that the Premier Cannonier listen to the tapes, indicated and validated that this event did take place and a tape does exist. But it is possible by now the UBPoba may have quickly gotten rid of the evidence to save their butts.
It also speaks loudly to the integrity of the UBPoba party. There was NO attempt to deny this tape by the Premier, instead he brag about the contents of the tape. This is a step too far. This calls for a vote of NO CONFIDENCE IN the Premier and the entire UBPOba party.
These actions by a party whom promised us Pre-election that they would do “POLITICS DIFFERENTLY” is really becoming nothing more than an “Empty sound bite.”
This has gone too far. To defend the actions of the UBPoba in this case suggest some folks are not willing to be objective based upon the evidence, regardless.
Prove it Betty. We can all say whatever we want, however can he or you prove it? Desperate PLP, that’s really what this is all about. Marc Bean and Burt both know they will never be voted in again NEVER!
Why are you using my name? LOL
Why does Cannonier sound like a raving madman?
Could you please confirm the name and year of this ‘communication act’ and the clause which states it is illegal to record any conversation without the permission of the individuals? I did find within the electronic communications act that it is illegal to record/tap any wire/cable/signal of electronic communications without consent, but this is not electronic communication we are talking about.
Take a look online Bermuda laws: Well, lets take a good look at the The Bermuda Laws online: Electronic Communications Act 2011 under section 30 subsection (5) states “NO person, not being authorized by all the parties to any private signal shall tap any wire, cable or optical fiber or by using any other device or arrangement, shall by electronic communications by using any electronic other device. Please read on…..take sometime to digest….online bermudalaws.bm..
I thinks this may suggest that it is illegal. This seems to catch the Premier and others acting unethical if not illegal. Regardless it speaks to the integrity of this government.
Oh Betty – your soo keen on being right – you do not realize that you are WRONG….a face to face person to person conversation can legally be recorded without the knowledge or consent of the other person. This was not a conversation over the phone, so maybe you should take a minute to re-read….take some time to digest THAT!
Are you kidding me? Talk to a lawyer (not a PLP lawyer) the section you quote has NOTHING to do with people taping someone in person in a meeting! The Act you site relates to telephone, computer and other “wire” conversation !
Nothing illegal here at all! Busted!
A recording device is considered part of electronic communications & the part of the act refers to the illegal use of one by any individual. This is why the wording, “No person” & “or by using any other device” is used to cover all. The first paragraph does leave room for debate since the definition of the word, “circuit” is broad even if only the electronic terms are considered but the second paragraph is very straight forward about possessing secretly recorded material. i don’t usually get into Betty’s comments because most are off the rails but this seems to be one where she’s on track.
“No person, not being authorized by all the parties to any private signal shall
tap any wire, cable or optical fibre or by using any other device or arrangement, shall
secretly overhear, intercept, or record such signal in the course of transmitting information by electronic communications by using any electronic or other device, provided that it shall be lawful for any police officer or officer of a communications provider acting with the consent of the person renting a circuit to tap or trace such circuit, or by using any other device secretly to overhear, intercept or record a communication passing over such circuit in order to detect an offence under section 68.
No person, be he a participant or not in the act or acts prohibited in this section,
shall knowingly possess any tape record, wire record, disc record, or any other such record, or copies thereof, of any communication or spoken word secured in the manner prohibited by this Act, or replay the same for any other person or persons, or communicate the contents thereof, either verbally or in writing, or furnish transcriptions thereof, whether complete or partial, to any other person.
Nothing contained in this section shall render it unlawful or punishable for any
police officer or other person who is authorized by a written order of the Governor under the powers granted to him by section 53 to execute, in accordance with Schedule 2, any of the acts declared to be unlawful in this section, and subsection (8) shall not apply to evidence thus secured.
Any message, communication or spoken word, or the existence, contents,
substance, purport, effect or meaning of the same or any part thereof, or any information therein contained, obtained or secured by any person in contravention of this section shall not be admissible in evidence in any judicial, quasijudicial, legislative or administrative hearing except for the purpose of proving the contravention of those subsections and for that purpose the person adjudicating shall make such order as he considers appropriate to preserve confidentiality.”
Mate, you definitely aren’t a lawyer. Thank god.
It’s quite apparent that you aren’t either. If you want to logically debate something why don’t you back up your points instead of repeating the same drivel over & over. If you were a lawyer all your cases would be thrown out for speculation with lack of evidence.
I have backed up what I’ve said several times here. I don’t see much upside is repeating myself to every self-appointed “expert” who for the first time attempts to read a law and wrongly interprets it.
Nothing in the Act has any bearing on the recording of a face-to-face conversation.
You see @Suzie Q, even when provided with evident, facts, and laws to support the argument. You would fall back into DEFEND the UBPoba regardless or Denial…this speaks volumes to your Lack of political maturity and ability to objectively debate the issue. Your blindfaithfulness is killing you, and folks can see right thur you..give it up… your falling on your sword like your party is…
Sue is right…a recorder is not a ‘transmitter’….but an I-phone is. However she wasn’t using the ‘radio’ transmitter technology of the phone so again ‘suzie’ is right
A recording device, is any electronic device…telephone or whatever, so both you and Suzie are wrong. The Police department also indicated it was illegal…
To be absolutely factual except for those in question non of us know what type of recording device the MP was using. This is because this current administration is just as transparent as the last. There are recording devices that use transmitter technology but we can only assume what the MP was using.
It doesn’t matter what type of recording device was used. The recording was not made by interception of a telecommunication. Therefore it was not illegal.
Every part of the act relates to the nature of the conversation’s transmission, so the prohibition of using an electronic device only relates to the conversation as it is transmitted via ‘any wire, cable or optical fibre or by using any other device or arrangement’. By it’s very title, ‘Electronic Communications Act 2011′, it negates this relating to person to person conversations, irregardless of the nature of the device used to record. Please highlight the act that says one cannot record a personal conversation, and then we can revisit the legality of it.
Quite frankly, i do not blame Nandi one bit for recording the conversation, good on her, I know that if I was a MP invited to have a conversation with Mr Bean, I would want to make sure it was documented too. He has shown himself quite clearly that he has no desire to work with the current administration for the betterment of Bermudians. It is quite clear that the PLP position that it is only their right to rule is still alive an well, party before country.
Premier Cannonier, release the tape.
I’m not a lawyer, but this is how I understand what you’ve posted, and how it does not relate to a face to face meeting.
““No person, not being authorized by all the parties to any private signal shall tap any wire, cable or optical fibre or by using any other device or arrangement, shall secretly overhear, intercept, or record such signal in the course of transmitting information by electronic communications by using any electronic or other device, provided that it shall be lawful for any police officer or officer of a communications provider acting with the consent of the person renting a circuit to tap or trace such circuit, or by using any other device secretly to overhear, intercept or record a communication passing over such circuit in order to detect an offence under section 68.”
This is where the problem with your theory lies.
… such signal in the course of transmitting information by electronic communications …
A face to face conversation is not a signal being transmitted by electronic communications.
Once you accept that, the rest of the act has nothing to do with the situation because what occurred is not prohibited by the Act.
It being a signal has nothing to do with the fact that a person wasnt being informed about being recorded
True, but it does have to do with it not being illegal.
Tommy/Betty .. This secton of the telecoms act specifically refers to electronic communication. It is soley in place to make wiretapping of telephone and computer communication illegal. It has nor relevance in the case of face to face communications.
RULE#1 How can any prospective developer or business man serious meet with the Premier if he is going to carry on like some little B**** and possible also at some point wear a wire. Yea I understand it’s to get dirt on the opposition leader, what you going to do blackmail the man. Oba I voted for change and I still believe in the party but Craig will cost us the next election. Don’t take the voters for granted or we will have 1998 all over again.
Between the Premier and Bean, the former is the only one showing any semblance of dignity. We know the PLP strategy now is to target the OBA with allegations of corruption that they know are false. It’s some kind of perceived retribution for losing the election. But if any one needs to go, it’s Bean, the gay-bashing, paranoid, unhinged leader of the PLP. Dame Lois, Mr. Wade, Mr. Cox, et al., are turning in their graves.
Have you ever heard “Please be aware that your call maybe monitored for quality assurance” or something similar? I’m sure that business men would care if they are recorded or not.
They weren’t calling a call center mate!
Most law firms have it too mate
Now what if the P.L.P did that, well they said vote for change. LMFAO
@ Mazumbo
Nandi Outer bridge makes her return
So at the conclusion of her parliamentary career what can she tell her constituents. I have been investigated by the police. Then I decided to investigate the leader of the Opposition. ? Shameful.So let’s hear the tape. You are saying she went to the meeting with a tape recorder. women used to contain lipstick and a small mirror. . Not now guys….tape recorders and videos. Be on your guard.
All I keep hearing is that it is illegal to record a conversation. I have searched and searched and I could not find any legislation that speaks to recording of conversations between people in person. So I would ask that Bernews do some research and provide the public with facts not assumptions ( not saying that Bernews is assuming). Can people secretly record conversations? In my view what Mrs. Outerbridge did by the looks of it is not unlawful but is unethical and how the Premier has handled the situation is also unethical.
What is this, primary school? Focus, people!
- Five straight years of recession
- the Government spends close to a million dollars more than it collects EVERY DAY
Until Bermuda deals seriously with those two things, I don’t care about anything that one politician says to the other — it’s all fluff and distraction.
Someone please defend OBA on this one
why? both sides behaved badly….with few exceptions, none of them deserve their salary for last weeks session
What is there to defend? That Bean can’t now deny what he said to her?
Defend the actions of Nandi and Craig
Why did she do it?
What was she trying to prove?
When did she decide to do it?
Where did Craig listen to it?
How can they be trusted after the under handed act?
These are elected officials, not reality show cast members.
I DEMAND SHE STEP, DOWN AND A BY ELECTION BE HELD!!!!!!
I don’t know her personally but here are my views on it
She did it to cover her @ss cause she didn’t trust Mr. Bean.
Not trying to prove any thing just protecting herself from a situation similar to what Mr. Bean is pulling with the Premier now, and she has now avoid a he said she said situation.
Clearly she decide when she also decide to meet with Mr. Bean.
Does it really matter where? But one can assume he listen to it in his office or at OBA HQ.
Why is it underhanded? She went into a meeting and recorded it to protect herself from being put into a situation, sounds smart to me. If Mr. Bean had said nothing wrong or foul then he has nothing to worry about.
Why do you demand she step down? What would be the reason?
Why not express that she was going to record the meeting to Marc?
Why play it for anyone else, if it was insurance to protect herself?
Marc has asked for it to be released, so let’s see what she does.
Her actions over recent months are not that of an ‘honorable’ elected member. She is a bad example for young Bermudians. That sort of behavior maybe acceptable to you and that says a lot.
It was premeditated and shows she is not to be trusted.
The mere fact she sat in silence and did not ‘Step Up’, is the reason she should ‘Step Down’
Maybe she had to deceive him
The deception of ‘Reality TV’ is that it is just another TV show that does resemble reality. Why, because they know they are being recorded. If you want the truth and true nature from someone, never tell them you will be recording them, otherwise you just get an act. For over a year now we have heard Mr Bean continuously repeat that they will work with government in one breath, then call them demonic, idiots, immature, unfit to rule… with his next. There is no way in hell I wouldn’t record a conversation with that man.
Frankly, well done Nandi, CYA when meeting with Mr Bean.
I can’t help but notice that Mr. Bean started this ugliness with his assertions about the Premier, spontaneously asserting that the Premier would trust in him so much as to confide in him about so many of his person issues. Making these assertions under the protection of HoA, so as to avoid having to back up his claim with proof and avoid a possible lawsuit for defamation. And doing this the week before the OBA presents their 1st actual budget, I am genuinely curious to hear the new budget now.
Premier Cannonier, release the tape, if it is damning to Mr Bean, then he deserves to be damned, and if it isn’t, well shame on you and you should think about your next actions to the betterment of Bermuda.
As she has come out and said she didn’t feel comfortable with Mr. Bean and had she told him she was recording I have no doubt his words would have been very different to what was recorded.
Clearly she felt that what he said was not something that as an MP or the Leader of a Party should have said shared it with those in her party to get their advice on how best to handle the situation.
Yes let wait to hear the tape we are all interested in hearing it.
Her actions, such as? Please give examples and it your going to say ‘she been investigated by the Police’ yes that is true but she has not been charged with anything and unless you have proof it means very little. On a side note how is the PLP Boxing team doing?
Yes it was premeditated because as she said and I assumed, she did trust Mr. Bean. She thought through what might happen and acted accordingly I agree with what she did and I would have done the same in her position.
So because she didn’t step up with information right away you feel she should step down? I am I getting what you are saying correct? Cause if so in my next reply I’ll post all the comments you made about how Mr. Bean was right for waiting 5 months to talk about the Premier admitting to a bribe.
“Cause if so in my next reply I’ll post all the comments you made about how Mr. Bean was right for waiting 5 months to talk about the Premier admitting to a bribe.” – Please, By All Means Go Ahead. I’ll put up all my bitcoins if you find 1
I stand corrected you didn’t say any thing about Mr. Bean, and for that I do apologise. However on review, you say nothing about Mr. Bean absolutely nothing at all about him instead you take most moment to take jabs at the OBA which is just as bad in my view.
Apology accepted. My bitcoins remain with me
To defend her actions or agree with what she did, is bad in my view. It is behavior that is not productive or positive. It was done with ill intent. Had she been above board and honest with Marc and in the house, my jabs would be different.
OBA attacked Marc when he wasn’t there and I am not suppose to go at them for being cowards? OBA are the government of the day, so my jabs will be at them. Same as they where at the PLP when they were in power
How is it Ill intent? If i go to a meeting where I do not trust the person how it is ill intent? If the person does not say anything rude or that is out of order then now harm no foul because the recording is useless.
They attacked Mr. Bean? I suppose they did but Mr. Bean has attacked them and with out the backing of proof, what is good for the goose is good for the gander. If your going to attack one party for being cowards they you need to do it for the other party as well or be viewed as a hypocrite.
What jabs at the PLP cause I can’t recall you making jabs at them but hey just give me the acticle title and I’ll confirm.
What did he say to her? Oh wait a minute we don’t know because Craig won’t tell us apparently because it would harm us too much. What on earth could that be that our population was abducted by extra terrestrials, that we are in the matrix & this island really doesn’t exist? What could be so detrimental to society that the government has to go back on its promise of transparency.
Why don’t you have a thought behind the REAL reason we haven’t been privy to what the government’s decisions or conversations are. Oh wait! My apologies did not mean to suggest you do something that’s too strenuous. My bad! Forget that I suggested you have a real thought instead of being a blindly lead sheep.
Friday’s HoA Session was a sad day for Bermuda. The aspect of MP Outerbridge making the recording gives cause for concern.
I think the public needs to know the circumstances of the recording since it is not a spontaneous act. There needs to be forethought and a certain mindset. Either there was an expectation of something untoward or a plan to later on expose the conversation. Either case does not bode well. Finally, without divulging names, MP Outerbridge should at least tell the public if any of her MP colleagues knew about the recording beforehand!!
What next….. the National budget is expected on Friday!!
Well, what’s worse the recording or what was said?
Sounds to me like Marc Bean is terrified of what’s on that tape.
Professional opinion is no crime no matter who it may offend. Recording without the persons knowledge shows more about the recording party. Sneaky n can’t b trusted.
It’s not a crime to record a conversation in person.
Why are the PLP so terrified that people will reveal what they actually had to say? Sounds to me like they have something to hide.
It is a crime if it is done without the person’s knowledge or permission. Please stop following the example of the OBA who “waives the law” whenever they see fit.
You are misinformed. Check the law.
If possible can you find a link that clarifies the law in recording folks. I have search and I am unable to find either yes or no to the legal tip.
Per Bermuda Police, this was/is illegal. What is your source of law from?
The Bermuda Police do not decide what is legal and what isn’t. The law decides. And no law was broken.
Not even close.
Your in bigger Denial than I thought, WOW, you are really fighting to breath some live back into the UBPoba party. But the reality is their dignity and integrity is already lost. They are falling down, like you on this one.. face reality Suzie we know the UBPoba are wrong on this one. Just their actions alone impact their integrity, right or wrong. Who records conversation as a government, it is sinister behaviours by your leader and others. Just the mere fact it took place speaks volumes…girl give it up….Corruption seems to going on within the UBPoba…I understand your challenges with believing your party has done wrong…the first thing you do is to DEFEND….REALLY
So point us to the legislation that prohibits the recording of a face to face conversation, Betty.
Dear Betty are you feeling a little silly right now? Appears you are wrong about you interpretation of the law, or is the law just wrong?
I think your missing the point being made here.
Yes it is, A persons permission must be granted. Read the laws under the telecommunications Act. It speaks to this law. The UBPoba have fallen down on this one, and it really requires the government to a call of no confidence. But go on defend, as your blindfaithfulness allows you too.
Bettty, the telecommunications act does not apply if the recording is done in person and not over a network.
Well, lets take a good look at the The Bermuda Laws online: Electronic Communications Act 2011 under section 30 subsection (5) states “NO person, not being authorized by all the parties to any private signal shall tap any wire, cable or optical fiber or by using any other device or arrangement, shall by electronic communications by using any electronic other device.
I thinks this may suggest that it is illegal. This seems to catch the Premier and others acting unethical if not illegal. Regardless it speaks to the integrity of this government.
Again, the Act deals only with the legality of tapping and recording telecommunications signals. It does not deal with the legality of taping a face-to-face conversation.
Hopefully you’re not a lawyer Bettty, or Betty, or whoever you are today.
No matter what O.B.A/ubp does its not really that bad ,only when P.L.P does it.
Try to wiggle out of this, well then again they’ve been wiggling out of sh1t for 14 months. LMFAO
Suzie,I know your blindfaithfulness can not stop you from defending your government regardless…but at least examine the entire law….I suggest you read on…I did not print the entire law…and it does apply to the recent actions of your government.
Stop with the spin. Your government has acted in an unethical fashion and are far from doing politics differently as promised pre-election.
But it is possible folks like you will defend due to the fact you suffer from “UBPoba Denial Sydrome”. REally
Just the mere fact that UBPoba would even record meetings with the Opposition without their knowledge speaks volumes to their creditability and integrity…I think the average person is highly aware of this fact..
If you still think it was illegal Betty, cut and paste the relevant law. We all know you’re an expert and cutting and pasting.
You are obviously not, however, a lawyer.
Actually, the reality as I understand it is that a member of the OBA did something somewhat unethical, though not illegal, not the entire party. And only hearsay suggests that it was anything different.
The entire law, btw, refers to telecommunications. That’s why it’s called the Telecommunications Act. This is fairly straightforward. Conversation, unless via the likes of Skype, is not telecommunications.
Betty, the law you’re quoting applies only to “wire tapping” and not to in person recordings.
…and lets read on a little more in the ACT…..Electrontic devices… recording device is considered part of electronic communications & the part of the act refers to the illegal use of one by any individual….so it includes whatever device Nandi used..
as I said read the entire law online,take some time to digest it…yes I am a lawyer on some days…
Give it up UBPoba the reality is recording was done by your government. It is illegal more so unethical actions by the government. Now the government needs to accept their wrong doings and live up to the reality of their actions. Nothing more, and nothing less…
lawyer on some days…you’re right on devices BUT the mischief being addressed by the Act is not in person face to face conversation but telephone and other electronic communications (see. Telecommunications does not apply to a face to face talk or tin cans with a string between them). There are many cases were police have taped guys in cells without a warrant or a warning to them AND…yep…all admissible in Court! No “telecommunications” !
If Mark was terrified why is he now telling the UBPoba to release the recording for public knowledge? Sounds more like the UBPoba MR Premier has been called on his own game. ALso Nani has been a piece played on the chess board of the UBPoba party…REALLY…as I said Mr. Bean has no fear here..he is honest in this regards..it is the Premier and members of the Jetgate 4 whom are behind this matter….I bet ya…
This MP have proven to be a woman of little…!
We want her gone. Bring back the Swan.
Couldn’t agree more. What person decides/agrees to put a wire on themselves and tape a conversation? For what purpose? Not for good!
Or they didn’t trust the person they were meeting with and to protect themselves they record the meting.
This keeps getting better… I’m going to need more popcorn.
More to unfold, tune in next time, for ‘Jets, Lies and Audio Tapes’
You should get celery sticks and fat free cottage cheese… less carbs than popcorn…
Haven’t you heard? Fat is good for us and fat free stuff is a bunch of crap and loaded with extra chemicals to make it taste better.
And unless organic, celery is one of the highest sprayed crops with pesticides.
I’d prefer KFC
.. and i would suggest all beverage non -alcoholic, stay tuned round 2!
release everything and be done with all of this garbage….damage the country? more than the damage the PLP has already done? get it out there
I also agree, “release this tape” and be done with the matter and then, move on…
There are real consequences and possible criminal offences against the Premier and the OBA Government if the tapes were released.
If you read the 8. TELECOMMUNICATIONS ACT 1986:PART VII SUPPLEMENTARY AND MISCELLANEOUS
Privacy of communication 61, you will notice the following:
(5) No person, not being authorized by all the parties to any private signal shall tap any wire, cable or optical fibre or by using any other device or arrangement, shall secretly overhear, intercept, or record such signal in the course of telecommunication by using any electronic or other device:
Provided that it shall be lawful for any police officer or officer of a Carrier acting with the consent of the person renting a circuit to tap or trace such circuit, or by using any other device secretly to overhear, intercept or record a communication passing over such circuit in order to detect an offence under section 53.
(6) No person, be he a participant or not in the act or acts prohibited in this section shall knowingly possess any tape record, wire record, disc record, or any other such record, or copies thereof, of any communication or spoken word secured in the manner prohibited by this Act, or replay the same for any other person or persons, or communicate the contents thereof, either verbally or in writing, or furnish transcriptions thereof, whether complete or partial, to any other person.
I would also add part of section 53 in theTELECOMMUNICATIONS ACT 1986 regarding the offense.
(3) Any person, be he a participant or not, in the act or acts penalised in subsection (2) who knowingly possesses any tape record, wire record, disk record or any other record of any information secured in the manner prohibited by subsection (2), or replays the same to any person or communicates the contents thereof whether complete or partial either verbally or in writing or in any other manner to any other person commits an offence:
Punishment on summary conviction: imprisonment for 1 year or a fine of $20,000 or both such imprisonment and fine.
Telecommunications Laws do not have anything to do with recording in-person conversations. Which is not illegal. Funny how all these PLP bloggers suddenly all have this act information. Somebody scared?
You can cut and paste all you want, but this is completely irrelevant.
Suzie stop defending the unethical behaviours of your UBPoba government, in this case the Spin will not work. The UBPoba master team of consultants are trying now to clean it up as I write. But once something is out there folks know the style of how the UBPoba operate, it is a lost hope of recovery.
I suggest you go and demand more from your UBPoba MPs, this would be your next best step. Hold them Accountable, rather than protect them wrong acting in such a fashion.
Betty, we all know who invented the “unethical but not illegal” defense.
This was neither. It was completely legal, and very understandable.
Bean has been outsmarted. Again.
“Bean has been outsmarted. Again.”
This is not about being outsmarted. This is NOT a joke! I’m so disgusted with the lot of them. Can we get on with the business at hand – handling our debt, reducing crime, encouraging investment in our country and fixing education. Please!!
Oh ya cause the PLP have been held accountable for the total distruction not only of this beautiful island but the society!!!1 SHUT UP BETTY – you know just aswell as you pals or maybe collegues in the PLP they are throwing out utter garbage because they are planting seeds! What til your sins find you out PLP!!
Yes the people voted for “CHANGE”…but UBPoba so far have failed to live up to this Promise… We have not seen the CHANGE by the government as promised, and many had high hopes… since this was the pre-election promised by the governmen, many are likely to be upset as the government has fallen down on this promise and others. People will expect more of them, and so far this has not been the case.
Please do not get angry at me..I have done nothing more than hold the government accountable, as asked to do so by the UBPoba pre-election on my doorstep. Now that I am doing that you are angry.
I think it is best to take some of your anger and direct it towards the government and MPs and ask them to do as they promised Bermuda. People asked for Change, and if that is not what we are getting, well I think everyone has a voice to speak out loud…
I love you, and understand your upset with the government for how they have acted over the past several months…please do not mis-direct your anger at me !!
Love to you!!
But Betty. You’re holding them “accountable” to some law that exists only in your imagination.
If an offense was committed regarding the section (5) and (6) of the Privacy of communication 61 section of TELECOMMUNICATIONS ACT 1986. We have to come to the conclusion that the Premier could be an unknowingly victim or knowingly participant in the unlawful act because of his comment “you wait until we release your tape.”
At this juncture we can assume that a law was broken, than we must consider, if the contents on the tape reveal that the person that had been taped, had muttered language that was criminal intent.
Nope. No laws were broken. There is nothing illegal about recording a conversation. In fact, when the person you’re having the conversation with is Marc Bean, it’s an extremely good idea.
You are being so emotional in your responses. I did not make the following up.
TELECOMMUNICATIONS ACT 1986:PART VII SUPPLEMENTARY AND MISCELLANEOUS
Privacy of communication 61,
(6) No person, be he a participant or not in the act or acts prohibited in this section shall knowingly possess any tape record, wire record, disc record, or any other such record, or copies thereof, of any communication or spoken word secured in the manner prohibited by this Act, or replay the same for any other person or persons, or communicate the contents thereof, either verbally or in writing, or furnish transcriptions thereof, whether complete or partial, to any other person.
Clause (6) defies your answer Nope. No laws were broken. There is nothing illegal about recording a conversation.” Perhaps you are an attorney.
The part that I recommend you focus on is the bit that says : “….secured in the manner prohibited by this Act…”.
Anything that isn’t prohibited by the Act is irrelevant. One of the things that is irrelevant is the recording of any face-to-face conversation. There is nothing in the Act that has any bearing on face-to-face conversations whatsoever.
I’m focusing on (6) which comes under TELECOMMUNICATIONS ACT 1986:PART VII SUPPLEMENTARY AND MISCELLANEOUS
Privacy of communication 61, Therefore, what does clause (6) mean? Why would the crafters of the Legislation add that particular clause to the Act? Waiting for your interpretation of (6)
Communication in this instance of the Act is “Telecommunication” not in person face to face ! Sorry, nice try but there is NO illegality here! And you know what PLP, thats not the point, your Leaders inappropriate language apparently and conduct is the issue!
It says in (6) that a person must not possess (or replay, etc) a recording which was made in a manner prohibited by the Act.
To find out what things are prohibited by the Act, you need to look at paragraphs (1) to (5). All of those deal exclusively with the intercepting of telecommunication signals.
There is nothing at all in the Act that prohibits the recording of any other type of conversation. If the conversation did not take place over the phone, this Act is completely irrelevant.
The law you keep referring to relates to recording telecommunications, not in person recordings.
Read it again. It clearly says
(5) No person, not being authorized by all the parties to any private signal shall tap any wire, cable or optical fibre or by using any other device or arrangement, shall secretly overhear, intercept, or record such signal IN THE COURSE OF TELECOMMUNICATION by using any electronic or other device:
as in, if this is in-person, the telecommunication laws do not apply. Face to face conversations, recorded or no, are by no means telecommunications…
What you just copied and pasted is correct.
Now read what I copied and pasted from the same Act
6) No person, be he a participant or not in the act or acts prohibited in this section shall knowingly possess any tape record, wire record, disc record, or any other such record, or copies thereof, of any communication or spoken word secured in the manner prohibited by this Act, or replay the same for any other person or persons, or communicate the contents thereof, either verbally or in writing, or furnish transcriptions thereof, whether complete or partial, to any other person.
In your wisdom and explanation there is no difference between (5) and (6). If that is the case, why have both?
Okay I can play that game again:
No person, be he a participant or not IN THE ACT OR ACTS PROHIBITED IN THIS SECTION shall knowingly possess any tape record, wire record, disc record, or any other such record, or copies thereof, of any communication or spoken word secured in the manner prohibited by this Act,
IE, if the act occuring is not prohibited by the Tellecommunications law.
Using an iphone to record a conversation is not using telecommunication, it is using a device that includes telecommunication capabilities but until I press send and my call is connected there is absolutely NOOOO telecommunication occuring. Seriously, is it just that no one over at the PLP HQ has pulled out a dictionary for you guys and shown you the definition of telecommunication??
And yes, there is definitely a difference between clause 5 and 6. Read it. 5 deals with the actual act of recording via telecommunication and 6 deals with receiving or listening to recordings optained by the act specified in clause 5. You know like, criminal activity being different from receiving goods optained in a criminal manner by persons other than yourself. Both illegal. Seriously, this stuff isn’t rocket science. Just read it before you post.
Key words:
“secured in the manner prohibited by this Act” (that is, through the illegal tapping of wires/taping of telephone conversation)
ie, STILL not relevant to an in person face to face conversation that is taped.
It’s very simple.
It’s the Telecommunications act. It relates to telecommunications. Not face to face meetings.
Therefore nothing in the act relates to what happened.
Facts:-
1 Nandi was wired or had a recording device
2 There was/is a ‘tape’ or recording of Marc
3 Premier heard the ‘tape’or recording. Why did Craig even listen to it? 4 Nandi Did Not Speak Up. I wonder why
5 They thought about releasing it and checked to see if it was illegal WOW
If you go into a situation where things being said could threaten your future, you record it or have a witness attend with you. Just like union employees have a union rep attend. The conversation being recorded is reasonable in these circumstances. when you are in public office, you shouldn’t say anything you wouldn’t be comfortable being put on the front page of the newspaper.
It sounds like it’s all about winning power at all costs for the PLP, whereas this country, its future and its people are secondary.
As Marc Bean proved last week, recording face-to-face conversations with him is an extremely good idea.
OBA needs to go NOW, we want you gone!!
Who are you, anyway?
Paid US based consultant?
How so, just release the tape. Mr Bean works for the public, we deserve to hear it
“What next….. the National budget is expected on Friday!!”
Why do you think all this rubbish is coming out now?; why the BIU went on strike?; while there will be more before Budget Day?
The Loyal? Opposition is out for blood and their supporters are baying. They want the power back by any means necessary.
Loyalty is to the Queen not to the present government. Please learn why the word loyalty is attached to opposition before making any statements.
Loyalty SHOULD be to the Queen when it comes to politics. However, most seem to forget that the Queen even exists when it comes to party politics
Wow, within a couple of minutes there are 4 comments on this article, all PLP supporters.
The whip is out I guess.
This appears to be an all out attack on the government. Makes me think something else is about to happen, like some testimony in a trial in the Turks and Caicos perhaps?
Hell if Bean wanted to meet with me I’d record it. You never know what he will claim was said.
One thing is certain, the gloves are off. I guess the focus will have to be removed from the progress being made on the economic recovery and on to dirty politics.
Totally agree aceboy, the plp are so desperate they will say anything to bring this country down, as that is the only way the will get reelected!!! The desperate plper’s on this thread are acting like children that just had their candy taken away!! From this article I can’t see anything other than if the conversation was recorded it was done so by Nandi acting alone, which by the way, I don’t blame her, as beans recordings prove he is totally UNTRUSTWORTHY !!!! The timing of this leads me to believe that the plp are worried about something big coming at them!!! Politricks at the lowest level the plp can stoop too!!!!!,
So what she did and the premier listening to it, is fine by you?
Yep, no issues. And you can record that too for all your files on Lance!
I think she was very wise to record it.
Have you ever heard the statement, “cut your nose to spite your face.”
It might have seemed wise in this instance, but it will prove to be more costly to her later.
I doubt it. Given what we’ve seen from Bean in the past few days, it appears wise to record any private conversation. He can’t be trusted, obviously.
Are you saying OBA can be trusted?
Are you saying Bean can be trusted?
Hey, I ask the questions around here
None of them can be trusted
Fire the Premier and bring back the best person for the job,John Barrit.
Paul, close but not the John I was thinking about
Exactly what is she and the PCC doing are they all doing her?
Yup – totally fine by me. Its not like they “lost” milions of dollars and injected their posiness hate into our society.
I see you comment often, your bias is way over proof. There is fair play n bias, you sir are bias.
@Kangoocar…YOU HAVE IT TWISTED< as usual…
Why would the PLP be desperate at this time? The PLP is not the Government of the day,as a result they are under no pressure. The PLP have NO promises to accomplished within the next 4 years. Except that for working in the best interest of the people to ensure accountability of the government. The PLP did not promise 2000 jobs to create for the people. The PLP would have held a referendum. So what a weak argument you put forward.
The UBPoba government made many promises pre-election, it looks more like DESPERATION on their part to achieve those Election Promises. While I hope they will achieve their election promises, I do not support them acting in an unethical corrupt fashion to achieve their overall goals.
Due to your blindfaithfulness you would not see beyond your NOSE anything wrong with what your UBPoba party have done. Instead you continue to suffer from "UBPoba Denial Sydrome"…so your comments are expected…and others like you….
The PLP are desperate to get back what they lost, and instead of acknowledging that they lost votes because of their own actions they feel that discrediting the OBA will win them back the votes.
It won’t. If anything, it will keep those from voting again, and make certain others join them.
Wrong tactics, for a wrong perception.
OBA aren’t desperate, they’re just dealing with a bad situation, and sometimes not particularly well.
Blindness and UBPoba Denial Syndrome is killing you, your not even able to see the false picture painted by the UBPoba even if they have been exposed outright. This
No betty, once again you have it wrong!! Your COMMENTS are expected!! Even though there are many Bettie’s, you are in fact one of the Bettie’s that happens to be one of the plp mp’s!! You will never fool me and don’t think for one second, when. You highlight the word NOSE, I don’t know exactly what you mean?? I will never lower myself to the level of you and mention anything about yours, even though you probably spend a lot of time wiping it off, probably doesn’t smell good does it??? With that said, you and your fellow plp members of parliament are in fact desperate because you are having trouble paying your bills on on a regular mp salary and the sudden and unexpected loss of your power is very tuff to handle isn’t it??? One only has to listen to you bunch of miss fits in the house every Friday when in session to easily believe what I am saying!!! But you always give me a good laugh, also I would like to tell you that, by you jumping in at the top of every thread does not go unnoticed but I can tell you, nonsense is nonsense, no matter how many times you cut and paste!!!
You make good points, and for that I respect you opinion from time to time. But then, like your adversaries, you resort to name calling and the like. How can one respect your opinion at all if you are just like the others side?
I’m far from a plp supporter, believe me.
Keep on digging OBA expose the Wolf in sheeps clothing.
WTF. WTF. WTF. OMG. OMG. OMG. If what MP Bean is saying is correct then heads need to roll over this incident. For him to offer to meet with her and her turn it down to then sometime later speak back with MP Bean to agree says something about her character and the character of whomever possibly put her up to it. That is totally unethical and she is very fortunate that did not happen in the USA, as it is illegal to record another person without that person’s knowledge. MP Bean, I challenge you to enquire as to whether what the MP did is illegal here in Bermuda. Unbelievable, simply unbelievable. And to think I voted for the OBA
On another note I cannot agree with MP Bean when he stated that he would never attack another MP in relation to their personal life. In my view what he should have said is that as long as whatever an MP is doing does not affect their position as a MP then he will not bring it up in parliament.
It’s not illegal to record conversations in person.
It’s also not illegal to record conversations in the US either, although laws differ from state to state. Generally speaking, so long as at least ONE party is aware of the recording, in person recording is perfectly legal (i.e. you can’t go around and tape other people’s conversations – you can only tape your own). There are different rules for telephones/electronic communications which makes sense since you cannot verify all the parties, which is why most institutions answer all calls with “You’re on a recorded line” or “Your call may be recorded”.
You can verify all of this by doing about, oh, say 5 minutes research.
Nandi your better at ‘autobody’ and facebook hacking then spy games! Come on
She should have stayed in hiding!! Once again… MESS ATTACHED TO HER NAME!! LIL SNEAKY SIGHT!!! WHAT IS IT WITH YOU GIRL…??
Question – how can anyone support a party which secretly records private conversations and then denies that they do?
Answer that one first before you attempt to shout about Mr. Bean and the PLP.
Waiting……
Q
What’s wrong with recording it, if you don’t want your views to be known, simply don’t say them… pretty easy
What’s wrong is that he thought he was meeting someone for a private conversation! Not to then have his personal thoughts plastered for all of Bermuda to hear. Sad day in politics in Bermuda. Nandi, you should be ashamed if yourself. Actually not, you were just doing what you were told to do, but at least be woman enough to say who told you to do it because clearly you didn’t think of this on your own!
people like you are dangerous, you assume too much. Facts matter, emotions cause misunderstandings. wait for the facts
So naive….entered politics to do good for one’s country. Sold one’s soul and in the sand box with the BIG boys! May the Father be with all.
I do hope an Olivia Pope like resource is on retainer!
I do hope an Olivia Pope like resource is on retainer!
To think this is seen as ok…amazing!
To think one went asking for favors and this was the thanks! Unreal and sad!
The defending of the mess is also so very sad!
I think he asked to resign or cross the floor. Not a personal conversation, but one that concerned the government which we all vote in, and all pay for. He was doing the people’s business. No issue in allowing us to listen
MBs response to this says it all! Real talk! Didn’t deny what you are suggesting! So now what? That isn’t a crime…or deceitful! He also suggests she apologized months later…and her response was what…the PR machine spoke! That’s it.
All I can say, and I support neither, is if the shoe was on the other foot…My Gosh!
These blogs are so entertaining and only confirms the REAL and TRUTH of the divide in this country. Sad to say the least! Only difference today, folks are wiser and social media brings to light the truth behind pen names!
SMH…let’s wait for the PR machine/QC to respond to the latest! That PR machine is indeed earning the six figure salary this week.
Pretty easily actually.
It’s happened time and again in different countries worldwide.
Pertaining to this instance? I just want to know if it’s illegal to do or not. If it’s not, no big deal.
As for Marc Bean and the PLP. They have their own issues which aren’t negated by anything that might arise from this.
It is not illegal to tape a face to face conversation.
True, but it’s not actually ethical.
Most of this PLP posturing has to do with Bean’s boss and mentor’s terror and fundamental cowardice over something really big about to come down.
You sir, are correct.
Gotham,
Bearing in mind what some of these MPs did to Jennifer Smith, you are probably correct.
Bean is simply carrying out his master’s orders.
Well, I don’t really know what to think of this.
Certainly, I would prefer not to think of one party using one of their MP’s particularly if they were going through a stressful period, as a pawn, but it wouldn’t strike me as surprising. I’ve no illusions about politicians on either side.
If secret recordings aren’t illegal in Bermuda then I don’t have a particular problem with the recording actually being made. Not necessarily ethical but given the parties involved, not surprising either. If it is illegal, then there needs to be repercussions, serious ones.
Either way, I do find myself wondering ‘why is this all coming to light now?’ This stuff didn’t happen recently, didn’t come to light recently, so to whose benefit, and why is it being brought out now?
At this point, all I’m going to do is sit back and see what happens next.
For some clarity, recording telephone conversations without both parties’ knowledge and permission is illegal in Bermuda. Recording a face-to-face conversation with a device like an iPhone is not illegal, even if the person being recorded is unaware. MP Outerbridge was asked by MP Bean to speak to him. She met with him, but turned on her phone because she did not trust him.
Bull. “She did not trust him” – really? How silly are you?
Q
Personally, I wouldn’t trust any of them when it comes down to private meetings. But I’d prefer to be above board ‘Hey, you don’t mind if I record this, do you?’ and see what happens.
Is this truth or opinion? Honestly asking.. Did he ask to meet with her or vice versa?
NO according to the Telecommunication Act, any form of recording with out the individual (s) permission is illegal. This speaks loudly to the creditability and integrity of this UBPoba government, and it not looking good.
That is pursuant to “wire-tapping”, not face to face conversations.
The Act deals with the legality of intercepting private phone calls and recording them. It does not say that ‘any form of recoding without the individual’s permission is illegal’.
You are WRONG again Bettty! At lease you are consistent!
Bermudalaws on line….write on… It speaks to the Well, lets take a good look at the The Bermuda Laws online: Electronic Communications Act 2011 under section 30 subsection (5) states “NO person, not being authorized by all the parties to any private signal shall tap any wire, cable or optical fiber or by using any other device or arrangement, shall by electronic communications by using any electronic other device. Please read online the entire act…..Bermudalaws.com….
I thinks this may suggest that it is illegal. This seems to catch the Premier and others acting unethical if not illegal. Regardless it speaks to the integrity of this government.
No matter how many times you copy and paste the same EXCERPT of the law relating to ELECTRONIC COMMUNICATIONS, it will not change the fact that it is not applicable in this instance.
Recording in-person conversations is NOT ILLEGAL.
In fact, there is a court case going on at the moment concerning allegations of inappropriate behaviour with a minor. The confrontation between the accused and the child’s mother was recorded and has been discussed in the court proceedings.
You have been provided with sufficient information that indicates that the recording was not illegal, yet you continue to make statements to the contrary alleging that the Premier broke the law in relation to this recording.
Since you seem to like reading laws you might want to read up on libel…
“parties to any private signal”
Betty Thunk – Think you better check the legislation. Doesn’t say “parties to a private conversation”
I know you like to copy and paste things multiple times in the hope that it will become fact, but no matter how many times you copy and paste that extract, the words of the legislation will not change.
Wrong again, but don’t let the law stand in the way of a good story.
Finish the story though……………She met with him at the urge of her husband! And she turned Bean down initially to which she then returned the phone call 45 mins later and accepted. Its obvious that she spoke with her superiors on the matter before she accepted. Now what they spoke about can be interpreted many ways, more than likely they suggested that she record the convo, but that is speculation as none of us know what really happened. Because of that anomaly, whatever either side has to say regarding how it happened, neither one should be trusted. There are 3 sides to every story, yours mines and then the truth!
Thanks ABM, 1st person to mention the husband needed help.
No worries. I try to be honest based on personal experiences and I call it like I see it. I may be wrong at times, but pretty sure I’m right most of the time.
Blue Familiar said “Either way, I do find myself wondering ‘why is this all coming to light now?’ This stuff didn’t happen recently, didn’t come to light recently, so to whose benefit, and why is it being brought out now?”
All in all what I “personally” suspect what is going on is a game of feeling in the dark. Wasn’t it less then a week ago that the opposition leader claimed to of had a “private conversation” with the premier? Wasn’t there a game of he said, she said then followed? I “personally” think maybe there’s a recording of that conversation & the opposition leader is now trying to see what backlash will follow from such actions of releasing a recording gained under shady circumstances by first exposing this incident….
Just following current events & trying to piece things together but don’t take any of it as fact because this is just one possibility that ran through my head based on what’s thus far transpired. Just a thought, could be WAY off base though…
The House has been in recess. Marc Bean was not in the last session of the House to defend himself about the referendum. He now is willing to speak/defend himself and the opportunity to do so was in the House on Friday when it reconvened. Makes sense?
Not really. Bean doesn’t need the House to be in session to speak. He just did it in the House because of Parliamentary privilege. He knew it would be libelous outside of the HOA.
MBs response to this says it all! Real talk! Didn’t deny what you are suggesting! So now what? That isn’t a crime…or deceitful! He also suggests she apologized months later…and her response was what…the PR machine spoke! That’s it.
All I can say, and I support neither, is if the shoe was on the other foot…My Gosh!
These blogs are so entertaining and only confirms the REAL and TRUTH of the divide in this country. Sad to say the least! Only difference today, folks are wiser and social media brings to light the truth behind pen names!
SMH…let’s wait for the PR machine/QC to respond to the latest! That PR machine is indeed earning the six figure salary this week.
This is a response to the above thread by Lance….
So…Let’s Talk? Listening…..
OMG. Politics in Bermuda. I don’t trust either party.
Whats next for the Real House Members of Bermuda? Tune in next debate for all the drama to unfold…
First in part one, we had the “jet gate” Now part two , Bermuda own version of “water gate” time for MP Nandi Outerbridge to resign,cannot wait to see the out come of this !!Stay tuned folks, the circus comes to town, every Friday on “DE” hill.. Movie in the making Featuring Kerry Washington as miss Nandi, Morgan freeman as Premier Cannonier and Denzil Washinton as Opposition Leader Marc Bean ..
Tyler Perry will play Craig
#dead…LOLLLLLLLLLLLLLLL
No no Jus’Askin, Tyler Perry has a guest apperance as Bob Richards and special guest appearances by Opera as Gordon Pamplin and Jack Nicleson as Sir Michael Dunkley, so if you do not mind write your own script!!!LOL
nah man Tyler Perry will play Walter R….Media Voice-over
I feel Sorry for Nandi she is a very nice person and for her party to use her like that is terrible. politics has always been dirty just now with the increasing technology you are able to see the dirt but its been going on for years.
Nandi nice? This behaviour is quite accurate…she’s been ……..
You correct, it is sad when a party uses a young woman in such a fashion. As a result this speaks to the creditability of the UBPoba party. Doing Politics differently, I think NOT…TRANSPARENCY…I THINK NOT>….really !! BUt she needs to take act to protect herself and stop standing there for the wrong reasons.
Was so very naive to get in the game from the onset! Eyes wide open…NOT!
I don’t feel sorry for Nandi, nice or not! She is not stupid but the poor decisions and choices she has proven to make, not once but too many time speaks to how ignorant she is. Life is about choices and this was a choice, she knows better and should know when she’s being used but obviously she likes being used. She needs to be oust! If she were I n the corporate world she would have been FIRED!!!!!!
The government as a whole need to get their acts together and start putting this island first and not their personal pockets.
before the. Election there was the secret report
that explained the roll of the black oba cadidates
nadie was just used again
And these are the people leading the country? God help us.
Well for all of you that think this is a joke or a movie, this is far from funny or entertaining. This is an all time low for Bermudians, Bermuda politics and blacks.
The more we continue with this circus, the longer our brothers and sister will continue to suffer.
Im begging our leaders to stop this mess and lets get on with the business of the people.
Pretty SNEAKY STUFF ! – It appears to me that the Politicians in Bermuda is more out for Blood than
solving the delicate issues we face.
madness!
Honestly Speaking, I think I would record all conversations with any politician. None of them can be trusted.
Your folks up on the hill better stop this gutter nonsense and get on with the people’s business…this country is facing some serious challenges and all we get from you folks up on the hill is this crap…
“The creatures outside looked from pig to man, and from man to pig, and from pig to man again; but already it was impossible to say which was which.”
I smell a scandal !! Let’s call Olivia Pope to fix this..
In fact when I watch Scandal , I feel this is how POLITRICKS REALLY IS!!!
The timing of these revelations is suspicious at best! Nandi cannot be blamed for not trusting Bean for obvious reasons. However,the decision to meet with him for the stated reasons was a bad idea, but to wear a wire is beyond stupid. What next? Did Bean also wear a wire? Bugged offices? Hacking party computers?
Bermuda is in deep trouble, yet our”leaders have the time and energy to play these dangerous games.
Nero fiddled while Rome burned!!
The Bermuda Watergate; A secret taping’ a premier insisting that he is not a crook and the people of Bermuda should know. What’s next a resignation? A helicopter ride from the premier official resident back to his home?
Ok Alvin, now we all know, you were not a friend of Richard Nixon!
Can we have another election so that I can change my vote AND this time, I guarantee you that I will NOT be voting for the OBA or PLP.
Where is that Gombey group when you need them? This whole situation is getting out of hand and the only ppl you (OBA and PLP) are hurting is ALL of us and Bermuda as a whole.
You all have NO NATIONAL PRIDE what so ever. Have any of you (OBA and PLP) politicians heard of the phrase “REPUTATION RISK”. Pls, Google it…..
what was achieved last Friday? nothing good. Both Benie n Cannoniare are being laughed at by the ‘quango’ that really runs this rock.
SOunds like the OBA are getting on with the peoples business despite the PLP constant nit picking and attempts at character assassination.
I’m sick of the one sheet PLP press releases aimed at scoring votes at the next election. They are not serving Bermuda in any way shape or form
Ho can you really say something so foolish and naive and sit there and believe what you just wrote?? Its one thing to be biased, but its another thing to be delusional.
Going back on promises is getting on with the people’s business??
No Party comes out a winner on this, OBA or PLP.
TRUST NO ONE!!!!!!!!
Where is Mark Bean’s Lounge?
Right? That sounds like it might be nice.
I would like to know also where Marc Bean has his lounge !!!!!!!
Ms. Outerbridge should have resigned. Can someone tell me why she is even a member of parliament. Ms. Outerbridge is nothing more than a pretty face and offers nothing to the people of constituency 2. The other members of the OBA should be ashamed she was even elected. Why can’t Ms. Outerbridge speak up for herself. Why must the premier speak on her behalf. Can someone tell me what Ms. Outerbridge has accomplished since she has been elected as a member of parliament. All Ms. Outerbridge is good for is smiling for the camera. Maybe she should be a model.
Ms. Outerbridge the good people of constituency 2 would like to see more of you and would like to know your plans for revitalizing St.George’s. Please don’t show up and smile for the camera. That’s not what the people of Constituency 2 thought they were voting for. We would have been better off by keeping Kim Swan. I guess she doesn’t want to speak up because the OBA would probably get rid of her like they did to Kim Swan.
Consitituency2,
Nandi is a MP because she won the majority of votes in a democratic election. Just like every other MP.
That’s how the system works!
It is clear that the dignity of the offices have been diminished to high school antics. This is ridiculous. what is wrong with Nandi that she is always in a negative light.
stay tuned to the next edition of “As The Stomach Turns”
So st. George’s, are you still happy with your decision?
So PLP Parliamentary Group…are you happy with the choice of Opposition Leader???/Be Honest now? What about the PLP Caucus??? Are you all happy with your Opposition Leader??? Little Birds are singing loudly NO< NOT HAPPY!
since every political “happening” have something …gate.. what do we call this.. Nandigate?
Am i the only one that thinks that the OBA n PLP is the bermuda version of love n hip hop in bermuda
Bunch of CHILDREN…all of ‘em!!!
Embarrassed yet Bermuda?
When is enough actually enough? Country first, BS later.
Sad by all parties involved
While both sides play their stupid childish games, my country is slowly being taken over by foriegn workers. If a bermudian pot worker comes to work late they fire him and bring in a foriegn worker. So if a politition f**** up who they bringing in to take his place.
Bermuda is rapidly approaching the point of no return, and we now seem incapable of governing ourselves.
It may be time for the UK government to step in before we commit suicide!
Cannonier = PAWN
Davis = PAWN
Both are idiots and need to stop selling out the Bermuda people for fools. You should be ashamed of yourselves. Straight up SELL OUTS.
2 black men tearing each other a new hole …. guess who is laughing…..the guys who control our economy
No one is laughing. They are damaging an already damaged economy that is hanging be a thread
Apologies, on Davis. I meant to put Outerbridge * sorry!
I’ve previously said that I do not believe Mark Bean’s inherently implausible allegations regarding bribery about the Premier. Similarly, if there was anything truly incriminating and embarrassing on the tape recorded by Nandi Davis, I doubt very much that the OBA would have sat on it. It would have come out by now. I suspect that anything Mark Bean said to Nandi Davis is along the lines of typical political manoeuvring, etc, rather than anything genuinely sleazy or shocking.
All in all, the whole lot of them up on the hill need a damn a good slap upside their heads.
Craig is a friggin JOKE. Why the hell as the premier would he even entertain this. His whole speech was about “IT WAS BAD” the man has NOTHING of substance to say. Let him go! So over this government. We have real people with real issues. Carry on with business OBA Oh and Craig didn’t even have her back, he said ” I didn’t tell her to record” like WTF, you don’t put your own person out. I SWEAR this party needs to GOOOOOOOO!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
where are the independents?
time to rid ourselves of party politics for good.
Two of them are currently getting lambasted here and on other sites for asking for the referendum to be restored; the remainder got obliterated at the polls by OBA/PLP candidates. Same ol’, same ol’.
Investors must be tripping over themselves in the rush to come to our island.
I’m disgusted with both sides. Every last news item this morning was about their infighting. They didn’t actually do any work!
Their pay should be docked – all of them.
And get back to work!!!
I think it quite comical that all of the sudden the PLP supporters are all about integrity.
So you are saying OBA lack integrity
No that’s what the PLP supporters are saying.
So what is your opinion on this matter when it comes to the OBA?
Hold on they are doing politics diferently one party is more corupt than the other. That’s all.
It looks like a mini water gate scandal
Has anyone considered that maybe she went into this meeting with a recording device to record him saying they would not attack her on record in case they went ahead and did it anyway? Perhaps Bean and ulterior motives and she happened to record this. I dunno, seems possible to me.
This entire thing is becoming a joke, and it is way pass distasteful. Our these the people that our running our country? Heaven forbid//
Are* error
She should be embarrassed!…..
Is it worth the public ridicule? The salary or …..money is not enough for me. Stand on your own two feet and you would be fine Nandi.
You lot are hilarious, lol. How in the world can the PLP supporters even have the GALL to talk about ‘unethical’ behavior? My, my, my, what short memories you all have. Or maybe it’s ‘selective’ memory?
I agree with ‘more than enough’. Get rid of both parties. They are ALL acting like children.
Check out the real situation:
Bermuda war against Bermuda.
Where did it all begin?
When will it end?
Well, it seems like: total destruction the only solution,
And there ain’t no use: no one can stop them now.
Ain’t no use: nobody can stop them now.
Give them an inch, they take a yard;
Give them a yard, they take a mile (ooh);
Once a man and twice a child
And everything is just for a while.
It seems like: total destruction the only solution,
And there ain’t no use: no one can stop them now.
There ain’t no use: no one can stop them now;
Ain’t no use: no one can stop them now;
There ain’t no use: no one can stop them now.
Check in the real situation (check it out, check it out):
Nation fight against nation
Where did it all begin? Wo-oo-o-o-oh!
Where will it end?
Well, it seems like: total destruction the only solution.
Mmm, no use: can’t stop them;
W’ain’t no use: ya can’t stop them;
Ain’t no use: no one can’t stop them now;
Can’t stop them now (no one can’t stop them now).
There ain’t no use: no one can’t stop them now.
Everybody strugglin’: ain’t no use – ain’t no use -
Ain’t no use you even try;
Ain’t no use: got to say ‘bye-’bye!
Ain’t no use! Ain’t no – ain’t no use: no one can stop them now
(No one can stop them now)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xsbgnuP4zPI
Anyone think that Party Politics benefits Bermuda? Any decision making process for the country is based on conflict. Both parties seek to polarize the electorate one way or the other. The only thing that goes on in the the house in knit-picking, we are so caught up in petty,’he said, she said’ school yard politics that the real issues are not being discussed in the house!
We are not getting anywhere as a nation, we are the size of a small town and a political system far too big for the size of our community. It is damaging to the fabric of our society. Our political system is nothing more than a facade for egotistical maniacs and bigots to try and wrestle control of the country at all costs both socially and politically.
Bermuda will be a better nation and the quality of life will improve for all if:
We tackle the Elephant in the room which is BELCO and how it is discouraging investment, increasing the cost of living and inhibiting Economic growth.
We Privatize areas of the Civil Service such as buses and Ferries so that these departments are no longer a financial burden on the Nation and will run more efficiently and effectively.
The Unions need to revise what are acceptable working conditions for a nation in the modern times during a recession. This means a realistic amount of sick days and realistic terms and conditions which will allow hotels and business to operate in a profitable manner. This is not to be detrimental to workers but realistic as to the level of job they undertake, their responsibility to perform that job and to encourage the private sector to not be scared of hiring Unionized members. At present it is safe to say this is paramount to any revival in hotel tourism.
The Education level must be raised to acceptable international standards in public schools. All students should complete a full range if GSCE subjects an minimum of 7 subjects. This is the standard to achieve University Education in the U.K.- We should meet this standard as Bermudian students receive a subsidized rate were they to attend Uni in the U.K.
A Hospitality School needs to be re-opened with a view to training Bermudians for the the anticipated arrival of Gaming on our shores.
That for me would be a good start, but instead we have to hear both parties go at each other, trying to manifest some kind of scandal. Recorded conversations or Jet Trips are not really the priority right now.
It is exceedingly obvious that the previous Government dug us into a hole they did not know how to get out of and they seem steadfast on keeping the country in that hole in order to win back power.
WE NEED A COMPLETE REFORM OF THE POLITICAL SYSTEM.
If possible can you find a link that clarifies the law in recording folks. I have search and I am unable to find either yes or no to the legal tip.
‘the higher the thing climbs, the more he is exposed.’
too many of us assuming what was said and when….Beany and Cannonier both looking bad. Guess who is laughing at them both.
Bernews I applaud you for your editorial courage and your respect of the local community in allowing commenting and free debate on these important stories. There seems to be no debate allowed elsewhere by their readers.
Marc Bean offered me a **** job….prove he didn’t…….
The shame here is that Bean is making the intelligent PLP followers look like idiots. They deserve better than that.
These politicians by far have to be the best at tarnishing Bermuda’s reputation on a national and international level, bickering like primary school children over their own personal interests. Party Politics will be the death of beautiful Bermuda.
Completely agree. It is disgrace that the head of our country, the Premier, acts the way he does. He should be ashamed of himself!
All I hope is that we don’t sink further into the abyss by letting in the PLP to govern Bermuda. Look at what they did for us during their reign of horrendous mis-management!! It doesn’t bear thinking about. The OBA is our best hope for the future and they’ve already got us on the right track – so let’s keep it that way for the benefit of all-all Bermudians. So stop the idiotic sniping. Work – FOR – the country.
@ Lone Wolf,
You are so correct. “Selective memories”. When a certain person allowed certain people into Bermuda under the cloak of darkness, that to me was the most underhanded thing a “person” could do.
And everybody is calling for the tape to be played. If it is illegal how can it be made public.
Since there has be politicians, there have been behind closed doors deals. Do people honestly think that we will ever know any of these conversations.
This would be a great opportunity to see Bean in a true light. I want to hear it!
politicians……… there’s a reason they say all the smart citizens stay out of politics…
Sorry but these are not people (either side) I would say represent me as a Bermudian. HOWEVER- craziness like Nandi and Marc- yes they represent a good deal of ignorant self absorbed Bermudians… sad and embarrassing for our country!
Wow , my young Bermudian males , please be very careful when helping a damsel in distress .
Coincidentally, this year will mark the 40th anniversary of the resignation of Richard Nixon over the Watergate scandal!
This is how you gain respect in the party Nandi?? Oh right forgot you have to put the attention on someone else after your last June episode! haha your one silly little girl tryna be a grown adult but its not in you!
u sound like the ‘girlfriend’ lololololol
I wonder who the puppet master is behind the sudden PLP attacks in the media? Since he is not in the lime light any more,that would not stop him from pulling the puppet strings.
Something is brewing.
Sitin on the Doc of the bay………..
Nandi Outerbridge, you are in my prayers……
This is def one of them Sunday night or Monday night drama shows…
7pm news
8pm SLAUGHTER OF OBA
9PM Draya AND CRAZY Jackie
10PM Single Ladies
LET ME GET MY POPCORN OUT! BEST MONDAY EVER!
Nandi (Davis) Outerbridge likes drama gosh. When will she just take a break. I wonder why the charges against her never went forward. Very interesting to know………
No woman, No cry!
Wow she is getting herself into some things…
I can’t defend the OBA on this one nor can i attack the PLP on this one! These politicians get paid way 2 much for garbage like this! Do your F***ing jobs and get this country back to work and concentrate on turning the economy around!
what is paradise games?
i thought gaming legislation hasn’t been passed in the house yet.
or is this somehow linked to the proposed integrated resort model?
do they have a gaming licence? or did they slip through on the old ‘bingo’, ‘crown and anchor’ clause?
you really have to wonder.
Interesting how in her first term, in her first meeting she would not enter with a note pad but a tape. Why? Why? would she ever do that?
First meeting of what.
Your talking garbage.
Plus stirring the pot.
LOL DIS STUFF IS FUNNY
☺☺☺☻☻☻☻♥♥♥♠♠♠♣♣♣
we should get
anon ops
oh alot of throwin stone @ de glass houses lol ☻☻☻☻◘◘◘
With all of the problems that our beloved country has–this is what we are focused on and are consumed by?
It is SHAMEFUL—let’s stop the game playing and childish name calling and fix Bermuda NOW before there is nothing left to fight over.
Honestly–its simply pathetic!
Call me…..I was told one of the things ON THE TAPE….Marc Bean will swim to North rock and never come back IF this gets released….
I hope the UK and the Governor are watching all of these shenanigans. They had to intervene in the Turks & Caicos.
LOL, supporters on both sides have got their panties in a twist!!! LOL
Little advice to all supporters, leave your personal views out of it and just stick to the facts if you want to change peoples views, otherwise ya just spouting nonsense!
I have heard Colly Budz is releasing a rap version of the recording. Go Colly!
The politicians need to paint…IT will make them feel MORE CALMER !
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=U2S2fHD2K7A#t=74
“Participation and access to the arts is a right, not a privilege”
http://ridethewavefoundation.blogspot.ca/
What must not be lost sight of here is that the PLP from day one have been on a mission to undermine in every way possible the OBA administration – unbelievable name calling, disgraceful innuendos, vile and vulgar personal inferences, etc. Bean’s outrageous attack on Friday is just the latest example, albeit taken to a whole different level. What is abundantly clear is that this present PLP have a complete disregard and disrespect for democratic process and that their agenda is purely private and personal for their own ends. Bean needs to go into retirement with the person who is really pulling the strings here, and we all know who he is.
Just imagine if she said…’Let me write this down’ and I won’t use shorthand.
Viva la revolution.
Bring it on $800 million man.
All of you guys supporting any actions in the house from both parties are simply ignorant. Both parties have acted atrociously. Unfortunately this has shown the inexperience from both parties. IF you really look at it, the experienced parliament members had acted accordingly.
First of all Mr. Bean should have known better to release the information of another parliament’s personal business affairs. There was no need for that to be brought up in the house.
Secondly there is no excuse for the actions of Mrs. Outerbridge. If she needed to protect herself from the conversation she was going to have with Mr. Bean then she should have not gone in the first place. It was not as if she was summons with legal repercussions if she did not attend. She should have followed her first mind after she declined the offer. But since she rescinded her original declination and attended it does show deceit following the aftermath.
Thirdly for our premier to make a statement about this secret recording shows a flaw is his character. No matter if it is legal or illegal it is just plain unethical. This shows me and the rest of the world, that if I ever need to speak to him or any of his party members that I cannot be frank with him but need to watch what I saying. Just think how this precidence is going to affect our country on a global scheme.
Fourthly, both leaders had provided a poor example of how members should act within the house, and they both showed poor leadership skills in allowing their members to behave in any way, shape or form that was less then dignified.
That last meeting has showed me that Mr. Cannonaire & Mr. Bean are not ready to lead their party let alone our country. This has shown the inexperience of both political leaders and some of the party members, not only to us, but to the entire world since this has been recorded in our newspaper. My guess is for both parties to start from scratch, put experience leaders on the front line and groom their members of how political leaders should act accordingly.
I am totally disgusted with both political parties behaviors this term. Stop all the nit picking and start to address the real issues of this country. And if both parties cannot get this straight, then Bermuda needs to rise up and find another source that can.
The UBP’ers sit quietly while the BDA’ers hang themselves.
It is not illegal to record them, but that evidence will not be admissible in court. In order for the tape to be used as evidence, the person will have to have known that they were being recorded. It is not illegal to record them as long as you do not put it in the Public Domain…maybe that’s why she is keeping quiet…Marc knows she cant take it Public, hence all the ruckus about the immoral or unethical mannerism of ANY GOVERNMENT…not just the OBA. So in closing, for all of you that think you know it all or just want to know it all, you will never hear that tape. What ever was said on that tape, Marc has had a reprieve and should be an eye opener for him…so lets just drop this and get some money into this island.
Hello all,
This is a political tempest derailing our recovery. What good comes to us from any of this? Whether you are PLP /
OBA or other, if you are Bermudian and call this place home, the call is out for you to row in the direction of recovery for Bermuda. We need to row in the same direction and wait for the next election to determine who did what in our best interest? Let’s not get lost in the weeds!
Frankly, well done Nandi, CYA when meeting with Mr Bean.
I can’t help but notice that Mr. Bean started this ugliness with his assertions about the Premier, spontaneously asserting that the Premier would trust in him so much as to confide in him about so many of his person issues. Making these assertions under the protection of HoA, so as to avoid having to back up his claim with proof and avoid a possible lawsuit for defamation. And doing this the week before the OBA presents their 1st actual budget, I am genuinely curious to hear the new budget now.
Premier Cannonier, release the tape, if it is damning to Mr Bean, then he deserves to be damned, and if it isn’t, well shame on you and you should think about your next actions to the betterment of Bermuda.
Someone tell me why Nandi is in politics again? Been messy ever since she got in. Ruining her image before her career has even started.
May PEACE come to Bermuda. The alternative is not good for any of us.
I don’t know why I ever shipwrecked on this island -_-
If I new it was gonna turn out like this I would have just let the spanish have it.
what a bunch of ghetto losers the plp..still doing their best to destroy bermuda integrity and economy..Dont they got an inch of shame to keep quite with bs…THEY ARE THE REASON we are in this irreparable mess.THEY LIES,HALF BAKED schemes,wastefulness,inexperience and HIGH maintenance..