Premier Cox & Dr Brown To Speak In Cayman

March 9, 2012

[Updated] Premier Paula Cox, former Premier Dr Ewart Brown and political commentator Walton Brown will be speaking at the UCCI/UWI 50-50 Caribbean Conference to be held in the Cayman Islands from March 21 – 23.

Dr. Ewart Brown will present a paper on “Is the UK-OT Relationship Based on Mutual Interests? Bermuda and the Uighurs Case Study.” The conference website lists an abstract of his presentation saying, “The United Kingdom and the Overseas Territories have a relationship meant to be based on mutual interests.

“In a rapidly changing world it is becoming clear that UK interests and those of the OTs are not always aligned. A Bermuda case study illustrates this fact today.

“The decision by Bermuda to provide refugee status to four Uighurs detained in Guantanamo Bay caused significant tension in the UK-Bermuda relationship. While the UK stressed they have responsibility for Bermuda’s external affairs, Bermuda’s position is that it has responsibility for who is able to reside in the country.

“More importantly, Bermuda’s interests have often been aligned with the United States given the island’s close economic ties with that country and it makes sense to enhance the relationship.

“Taking four detainees to assist President Obama with his plans for closure of the bases helped to strengthen those ties. The paper explores the factors leading to the decision to offer refugee status, the internal and external political fallout and the impact on Bermuda-US relations.”

Walton Brown will present a paper on “New Millennium Colonialism: How the United Kingdom Sustains the UK-OT Relationship.”

The conference website describes his paper as, “The formal position of the United Kingdom towards its overseas territories on the question of independence is neutral: the territories will remain British for as long as the people wish. In practice, the UK not only seeks to strengthen its relationship with the OTs, it is actively devolving power back to the UK.

“The British have been pursuing a multi-pronged approach to achieve this goal – through an as yet unsuccessful effort at getting the OTs de-listed from the UN list of non-self governing territories, devaluing the OTs passport, and asserting UK authority over the constitutional powers previously granted to the OTs under the claim of “contingent liability” along with the claim the line of demarcation between foreign and domestic policy has become increasingly blurred.

“There is little public discussion on these issues in the Caribbean OTs (including Bermuda) and what the public sees as the maintenance of a status quo constitutional arrangement with the UK is in fact a constantly evolving and increasingly asymmetrical relationship.

“Given that UK interests do not necessarily align with the interests of the Caribbean OTs, the latter may well find their prospects for greater autonomy and democracy constrained in the years to come.”

Premier Cox will serve as a keynote speaker at the UCCI conference, and speak on the “Bermuda Success Story.” The conference will feature a number of other speakers from around the Caribbean including Barbados Leader of the Opposition Owen Seymour Arthur, former Minister of State for External Affairs of the U.S. Virgin Islands Dr. Carlyle Corbin, Harvard Professor Orlando Patterson, Chief Justice of the Cayman Islands Anthony Smellie and more.

Update Mar.15: We were unable to get any additional information about this from the Government, however Walton Brown has written a post on his blog saying, “Dr Brown and I are not part of any government delegation and we are certainly paying our own way.”

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  1. Bewildered says:

    Looking at the papers to be submitted by Bermuda's representatives it must start on April 1. Is this a private initiative or another taxpayer funded junket? It must be hoped that these are not put forward as being in any way connected to Bermuda, or we will be the laughing stock.

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    • James says:

      Taxpayer funded junkets didn't start 14 years ago. Every country, including Bermuda under the UBP have known their share of 'boondoggles' but I'm sure that you already know that, right? Fraud and kick backs are not the brain child of the PLP government and I'm sure that you have lived long enough to know that every country including Bermuda under the UBP have experienced this.

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      • Mad Dawg says:

        James,
        This Taxpayer Funded Boondoggle takes place a week after Cox tells ordinary workers they should be saving money by foregoing pension contributions. And taking salary reductions. While she goes off with her playmates to discuss a pie-in-the-sky idea that 80% of Bermudians regard as unacceptable. Why doesn't Ewart pay for it all out of his own pocket? He's the one that got rich recently, coincidently while he was a senior member of the Bermuda government.

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        • Maddog says:

          THE KKK IS BACK AT IT..

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          • Um Um Like says:

            It's about time!

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          • Mad Dawg says:

            Why aren't you directing your anger at the people who are making you poor? The elite politicians who fly around in luxury while teling you to take pay cuts?

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            • Maddog says:

              Fool I don't depend on the government for nothing ,so how can they make me poor fool.
              You sound like you need a government contract, poor you.

              PS .GOVERNMENT HAS NOT TOLD ANYBODY TO TAKE A PAY CUT FOOL.
              AND BY THE WAY GOVERNMENT HAS NOT LAY NO GOVERNMENT WORKER OFF.
              BUT THATS NOT WHAT THE OBA IS SAYING THEY WOULD DO THEY WOULD LAY GOVERNMENT WORKERS OFF AND TO HE'LL WHITH THEM.

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              • Come correct says:

                "I don’t depend on the government for nothing" so you depend on them for everything your saying?

                "Fool I don’t depend on the government for nothing ,so how can they make me poor fool." The same abjective in the same sentece is basically a gramatical error.

                We both went to bermy college so you said yesterday right? Did you graduate? Well I left after 2 months of being there taking a mechanics course, math class started with addition (I could add at the age of 4), and in my actual mechanics class was learning to put up scaffolding...must have had some bug projects for me to work on huh? So instead I took $25 an hour doind construction at 17 and got paid to learn common sense, I think I made the best decision. I never said the education was good I just said I was white and I went :)

                As far as the job cuts, hold your toung until the election is done, from either side I only see more debt...or job cuts.

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              • Mad Dawg says:

                Bad Government will make you poor.

                I guess that gives you a chance to use the words "fool" and KKK" again.

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              • My two cents says:

                "PS .GOVERNMENT HAS NOT TOLD ANYBODY TO TAKE A PAY CUT FOOL.
                AND BY THE WAY GOVERNMENT HAS NOT LAY NO GOVERNMENT WORKER OFF."

                Use your brain, they are waiting until after the election YOU fool.
                I redundancy=1 less vote fool.

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          • Barracuda says:

            You are to be ignored.

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      • Are you serious says:

        Yawn! Yes the UBP did bad things and they were kicked out of Government because of it. Nobody is saying that they were right to do those things. Why do people like you always fall back on this in stead of holding the PLP accountable for their actions. If it was wrong for the UBP to do it then the PLP should break the cycle and move Bermuda forward. Not simply say "well they did it so so can we"

        No wonder Bermuda is going backwards, when blind loyalty prevails instead of accountability.

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      • Truth (Original) says:

        That doesn't make it right James. Neither does it mean that we should accept it.

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      • Pastor Syl says:

        @ James: As I, and others, have said before: If we wanted more of the same, we would have kept the UBP. It is because we wanted something different that we voted PLP. Instead we got more of the same and worse.
        Why does Liberia keep coming to mind?

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  2. navin johnson says:

    The two Brown's should have their expenses paid by the conference or themselves and not Bermuda.....

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    • Maddog says:

      White supremacy is the belief, and promotion of the belief, that white people are superior to people of other racial backgrounds. The term is sometimes used specifically to describe a political ideology that advocates the social, political, historical and/or industrial dominance by whites.[1] White supremacy, as with racial supremacism in general, is rooted in ethnocentrism and a desire for hegemony and power, [2] and has frequently resulted in violence against non-whites. Different forms of white supremacy have different conceptions of who is considered white, and not all white supremacist organizations agree on who is their greatest enemy.[3]

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      • Tired of nonsense says:

        Just out of curiousity, have you ever met a white person that you liked (and wasn't part of the PLP)?

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      • Come correct says:

        Thats complretely irrelevant, thats not even the topic. Do you want people to think your a paid blogger? Thats the tactic they want to use, divert from the issue, Favern Lurbert does it all the time...but since you brought it up, last time i checked he have never had any kkk or branches of that here in Bermuda, correct me if im wrong i like history, but we have had black panthers :) but do we still is the question?

        In light of the new information about the Black Beret Cadre which can be found in the previously secret government files, it would behove black leaders like Jennifer Smith, a former Premier, to cease characterizing the Black Beret Cadre as “freedom fighters”. If Bermuda ever experiences a groundswell for closure to the murders and assassinations of the early 70s, it would inevitably require the Bermudian Government to bring those responsible to justice. The government could begin with an investigation of “the third man” and others named in the Scotland Yard files who were the inspiration for, and the co-conspirators of, Tacklyn and Burrows. Until that time the ghosts of George Duckett, Sir Richard Sharples, Captain Hugh Sayers, Victor Rego and Mark Doe will continue to haunt all Bermudians – a testament about the times and a reproach to those leaders who don’t want to hear the bad news lest it interfere with their “perfect paradise”.

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        • specialgirl4you says:

          @ Come correct.....Please read the book of "Dr. Quito Swan" in which he discusses his work, "Black Power in Bermuda and the Struggle for Decolonization". I think you would gain a greater understanding of the role of the black Beret, and enjoy the historical perspective he presents. This is a brief outline in regards to some of the writings in his book; He covers the subject matter in great depth, and does not spread myths. It may help to clear up your position:

          The Black Beret is A transnational, pan-African youth movement, Black Power in Bermuda sought freedom for Blacks from the island’s White oligarchy and independence from British colonialism. It was spearheaded by activists such as Pauulu Kamarakafego and the Black Beret Cadre. The Cadre maintained relationships with revolutionary organizations across the African Diaspora, such as the Black Panthers. Emerging in the late 1960s, the Movement witnessed the assassinations of Bermuda’s British Chief of Police and Governor (1972-1973).

          There are some additional readings which may help to educate you on the Black Beret movement, as you continue to use this in your presentation, at least present the real facts.

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          • Come correct says:

            Read a panthers perspective of the cadre? I might only because i have on open mind and an unquenchable thirst for knowledge...but id rather just read the scotland yard files and take information straight from the mouth of a late someone very dear to me to was a high rank in the police FORCE (not service) at the time of the assassinations and prior, he told me who "the third man" involeved with the assassinations was, scotland yard cant say it for legal reasons so obviously i cant either

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      • Pastor Syl says:

        What the freak does that have to do with this crazy-making junket?!?
        I am jumping-up-and-down, stamping-my-feet, screaming angry that Dr. Brown is in any way shape or form speaking for Bermuda. It is intolerable that Ms. Cox is talking about "a success story" when we are nearly $1 1/2 BILLION dollars in debt with no way to pay it down, but at least she is the Premier, even if I don't agree with her.
        Walton Brown and I inhabit different universes if he wants to resurrect independence at this time. We can't pay our bills without borrowing, people who have money are voting with their feet and leaving in droves, the rest of us are planning exit strategies - and maybe that's the whole idea. Hakim Gordon said it in 1969 - "they will make it so uncomfortable that Bermudians won't be able to live in their own country." We just didn't realize then that it would be our own that would stick it to us!
        Dear Lord, please help us.

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        • Hmmmm says:

          Abosolutely nothing. PLP paid bloggers attempt at distracting from the issue.

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      • star man says:

        "Black supremacy (pay-back), as with racial supremacism in general, is rooted in ethnocentrism and a desire for hegemony and power."

        MMMmmmm.

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        • Maddog says:

          The slaves initially worked under seven years of bond, as did most English settlers. This was to repay the administrators for the cost of their transport. 
           
          As the size of the Black population started growing, the administrative company made many attempts to reduce the number of blacks in the island. They changed the terms of indenture for the Blacks and raised it to 99 years in order to discourage blacks to come to the island. An indenture of 99 years meant that one became a slave for life. 
           
          A white owner could obtain the slaves by sale or purchase, auction, legal seizure or by gift. The price of a slave varied based on the demand. Throughout the 17th century, black children sold for £8, women from £10 to £20, and able bodied black and Indian men for around £26. Blacks and Indians never willingly accepted their status as slaves and tried to seize all available opportunities to escape or rebel. It was not easy to escape because of the small size of the island. Also the nearest land was about 700 miles away.  
           
          But still slaves ran off from their masters and hid in the caves along Bermuda's coast. Others attempted to plot against their masters. One such plot occurred in 1656 when a dozen of black men led by a free Black man William Force plotted to murder their English mastersO. As the target night arrived, two of the slaves lost their nerves and reported the conspiracy to authorities. The conspirators were rounded up and tried by court martial. Two were hanged and William Force was later sent on exile to Bahamas with most of the island's other free blacks.  
           
          In 1673 in another attempt, 15 Blacks conspired to kill their masters. Again, one of the conspirators lost his nerve and reported the conspiracy. While the conspirators were all punished, this conspiracy resulted in enforcing more stringent laws on movement of slaves. A slave found outside his estate without a ticket from his owner could be beaten up with a rod or be whipped. A second offense would result in an ear being cut off. 
           
          Native American slaves were brought in large numbers from as far as Mexico. They were preferred as house servants because they proved less troublesome than the Blacks and Irish who were constantly plotting rebellion. IN CASE YOU DIDN'T KNOW THIS WAS BERMUDA.CHECK IT OUT
          WHITE PEOPLE THAT WHAT YOUR ANCESTORS DONE TO BLACK PEOPLE.O THAT WHY YOU HAVE FILIPINOS AS MAIDS OVER BLACK PEOPLE.

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          • Mad Dawg says:

            You are a racist.

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            • Tommy Chong says:

              Why do you think maddog is racist? Most of what maddog has typed is fact except the fully capitalized bits. Most of it is taken straight from historical reference as I recognize it almost word for word. The capitalized bits are just a prejudgement of a present situations & relating them to past ones. I would think that would be more prejudice than racist & I'm sure all of us have been guilty of some type of prejudice. Sometimes when we read something we can't get or heads around we like to relate it & thats what I think Maddog has done.

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              • Mad Dawg says:

                It ' s the capitalized bits. My ancestors had nothing to do with slavery and didn't do anything to black people. He' s stereotyping all white people and their ancestors based on a racially based assumption.

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                • Tommy Chong says:

                  Okay, I see what you're saying & will agree in that aspect that it is racist.

                  This is why this sort of topic needs to be discussed in social studies in school here. It shouldn't be expected that the parents breakdown something so complicated to young minds. This especially goes for parents who are still feeling the scars from their ancestors whip wounds. We are taught black is black & white is white in school & not about all the gray areas that exist. This becomes a big problem as we can see when the majority in a place have been oppressed in the past but don't know who did it & why. I'm not trying to excuse Maddog by typing this but just trying to show how racism is learned when young & it needs to be unlearned somehow.

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          • Tommy Chong says:

            I've read the book you got this out of & its true up to the part where YOU START YELLING. The other nationality here at present that you pointed out aren't here as slaves. The plp government granted them permits so you can't blame “whitey” since plp are “supposed” to be pro Afro Descendants. The other nationality is not here because they are slaves they are here because their country's main industry is export of workers. Check how many permits were approved during the reign of Dr. Brown compared to any other time in Bermuda. Do you think those where IB workers permits? So is Ewart so much more talented than any of our other government leaders? What was his secret for enticing soooo many IB proffesionals? Maybe he should share it with Paula Cox. Also, the big question. Where is all the money these IB proffesionals spent in Bermuda during Ewart's “leadership”?

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          • star man says:

            I know of many elite black families who have Filipino & white domestic help. It's quite common actually.

            It must have been a bitch back in those days, Mr Maddog. Point is whatcha gonna do about it today?

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          • Rick Rock says:

            "....less troublesome than the Blacks and Irish". So there were Irish slaves too? Were they white or black?

            What about other white people who's ancestors were slaves, or white people who's ancestors were indentured servants, or serfs?

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            • Tommy Chong says:

              The Irish slaves where Anglo-Saxons with no direct African origins. As it's already been scientifically proven all humans derived from Africa its the best way I can put it without using false colour descriptions. I'm not certain but I think Maddog got his facts from a really good & recently publish historical book called Bermuda Five Centuries For Young People. I suggest anyone with an interest for Bermudian history to pick a copy up at Brown & Co.

              My ancestors on one side are African slaves on the other they are European indentured servants. Many others of Bermuda are of a similar mix but for some reason some only except their African roots. Knowing this makes me realize that all the race stuff plp has pushed for years was just propaganda & holds little truth. I remember my father telling me as a kid that slavery is not about colour but about the quest for dominance over others. This is very true because slavery of Africans in the new world did not just involve Europeans. The dominant African tribes would steal people from the less dominant tribes then they would sell them to more dominant Arabic nomads who would then take them to Mozambique to be sold to Europeans who at the time were the most dominant & shipped westward. We need to get past colour & just look at what's good for Bermuda & it's people & make sure we are governed & not dominated by anyone no matter where they're from.

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      • The Hell!! says:

        Maddog: What the f** does race have to do with it. Why do people like you have to point the finger at race?. SMH

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  3. Chart says:

    So, they are going to the Caribbean to agitate for independence ... knowing that there is no interest in this push at home in Bermuda.

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    • James says:

      I think that you're wrong re a lack of interest in Bermuda. It's not far away and not a day to soon.

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      • whatever says:

        Will you be turning in your UK passport?

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        • James s says:

          There is no facility or process to hand in a UK passport.

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          • Rick Rock says:

            So you'll be keeping it then. Hypocrite.

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      • Are you serious says:

        Great, can't wait till our nation follows the fantastic examples of countries like Jamaica. There'll be no jobs or money or economy to speak of, but at least well have our own flag and national anthem.

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        • mixitup says:

          Or an independent Bermuda can follow the fantastic examples of Many sucessful independent countries. And Independence did not make Jamaica as it is today, do your research!

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          • Are you serious says:

            Please provide benefits that will come from Independence. A postage stamp should be all you need.

            Bermuda has WAY to many issues that need to be resolved before Independence should remotely be considered.

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          • Tommy Chong says:

            Your right! Michael Manley & Edward Seaga made Jamaica as it is today. They did it by playing the people of Jamaica against each other. Seems similar to some other political games Bermuda has seen & heard. Don't you think?

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          • Rick Rock says:

            Oh great. Because Bermuda is on such a great path. It's like we want to be just like Haiti.

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        • Jamudian says:

          Exactly what Maddog is talking about. If you do it by yourself.(independence). hey make your life a living Hell. Just to try to prove that their way is dominant and the only way!!

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      • Barracuda says:

        embrace the Motherland

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      • black seal says:

        i have to ask do you have an education?

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  4. Mad Dawg says:

    Somebody had better come on here and tell us whether or not we, the taxpayer, are paying anything at all for this.

    What an absolute pile of tripe.

    If Cox, or anyone else from Bermuda, are going, it had better be at their own expense.

    I am a voter and a taxpayer, and I want to know whether I am paying for this.

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    • observer says:

      And you paid to have the airport paved, so there you go... The ticket is already paid for... Stop huffing and puffing and go sit down...

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  5. Truth is killin' me... says:

    Why don't all three of them stay there and don't come back!!!

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  6. Hudson says:

    ODG - Please, just make him go away!!!

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    • clowns says:

      The hate on this website is close to disgusting. Our leaders are invited to speak at a conference and you all bitch and moan.

      Keep it up folks. Given most of you can't vote anyway your hate serves only to prove that no matter what, the PLP could never do right in your eyes.

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      • jt says:

        The Mr. Brown's are not our leaders.

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      • Family Man says:

        And its a good thing all the brothers and sisters in the BIU took a paycut so that Paula could afford to go and rest her head on a nice fluffy pillow after her fairy tale talk on "Bermuda's Success Story".

        Or is this another one of your "investments" in the future?

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      • Tired of nonsense says:

        Agreed. But the hate from both sides are on par.

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      • The nitty gritty says:

        Sorry but you are wrong about that. ewart brown is not one of our leaders and for many of us, never was.
        When you call on taxpayers to take the brunt of the cuts or tax increases, ask us to do more with less, then I think the vast majority of taxpayers will want such unnecessary expenditures put on hold until we have the money to afford them.
        The reason we owe 1.3 billion in an economic sinkhole is precisely for this reason, uncontrolled extravagances and major mismanagement leading to your fellow countrymen
        finding themselves out of work, insecure in their job and in some pretty depressing times.
        Alot of work over the decades, to generate some financial security by businesses as well as by the average person, has resulted in a zero sum gain. You condone this outcome by their horrendous mismanagement when you now blame the victims ? Bitch and moan you call it?
        Wouldn't have happened if those who voted them in had some gumption and challenged what was happening. We challenged E.B. on the Uiighurs and where were you?

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        • observer says:

          Ain't you got a nice road to drive on? You should shut up and go for a drive and while your at it enjoy how smooth your car rides...

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          • star man says:

            Smooth?! You must be kidding... there are more potholes than ever before!!

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  7. Joe says:

    As long as there are the type of self-serving -and to an extent dishonest- politicians who enrich themselves at the expense of the countries they are elected to govern, the UK ought to tighten its rein on overseas territories. Once independent, these countries can do as they please. The citizens however appear to see through this self-serving 'intellectual' claptrap by continuing to block efforts towards independence.

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    • James says:

      But Joe, you preach as though the Uk don't know fraud. As though all government business at Whitehall is pristine. Grow up son.

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      • Mad Dawg says:

        In the UK fraud is actually illegal and gets rewarded with prison.

        Here, it gets rewarded by another term in office, and judges saying "well under your laws it's not actually illegal, though it is unethical".

        In the UK, breaches of ethics lose a politician his job. Here, it gets swept under the table and treated like it's expected.

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  8. Mountbatten says:

    I just knew DREB would find it difficult to just disappear .

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  9. LongBayTradingCo. says:

    This is OUTRAGEOUS. Simply and utterly OUTRAGEOUS. What the h#ll added value to this most likely tax payer PAID JUNKET does Ewart Brown add to this EXCEPT TO SHOW Cayman how he "stuck it" to his OWN PEOPLE and the Brits?!! His is an AXPERT on breaking the law and Bermuda's Constitution - guess he can show them that at the same time.
    The PLP is still not getting it and the hits keep on coming! And just when you think it cannot possibly get any worse or they could be any blinder; they prove, yet again,day after day after day after bl##dy day, how much worse they can be and how blind they are.........You could not make this stuff up - it is so not funny. PLP sticking it to us Bermudains every which way they can!

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  10. Cancer says:

    Oh no!!! Not this guy again! Cayman please don't take no advise from the former Premier of Bermuda!' please please he created the worse political party in Bermudas history. They are now known by the flip flop PLP

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    • Triangle Drifter says:

      Cayman is probably paying his ticket. After all, who has done more to enhance Caymans IB in the past 5 years by chasing it out of Bermuda?

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  11. Tommy Chong says:

    How is Ewart Brown still allowed to represent Bermuda in ANY WAY? Its dangerous to have Ewart Brown & McKeeva Bush anywhere near each other. These two are like peas in a pod & with both of their infamous minds put together we are in big trouble.

    My apologies to Cayman on behalf of Bermuda. I assure all in Cayman that the majority of us in Bermuda do not support any actions or words that come from our EX-PREMIER. The problem is our new premier still seems to be his groupie but hopefully she will soon share the same non position in our government as Ewart does.

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    • BermudaBound says:

      Might as well send Michael Misick along as well.

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  12. Battle4Business says:

    I see that a Cayman representative will have a presentation called" UK Dependent Territory Succeeds: An Analysis of Cayman’s Successful Development". Therefore, we are probably 3 weeks away from the next Cayman assault for Bermuda's International Business, using these presentations as evidence of which jurisdiction is more friendly and stable.

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    • Tommy Chong says:

      While ewart will ad more ammunition to cayman's stockpile. We need to impeach premier cox like we should have done ewart. We just need the evidence to do so. Wait a minute don't we have the evidence already? Bermuda government is looking more fascist day by day. Its like we've had Joseph Stalin succeeded by a female Nikita Khrushchev. OH! OH! I think I hear the KGB knocking at my door right now. Quick hide all the liberal thinking books & pull out the marxist ones.

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  13. Tommy Chong says:

    Bermuda we need to take heed as Ewart Brown seems to still be connected in our government somehow. I had this thought before especially when learning about the new hospital building but dismissed it as paranoia.

    Ewart has had a hand in catalyzing the destruction of our country. We need to figure out a way to get him out of our politics once & for all. I guess even if I am on the fence at the moment when elections come I must vote for any opposing party to do my part in stopping this man.

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    • Rummy says:

      Ewart Brown is still in control.
      Just like his days of the BBC.
      And how blatantly he shows it.
      UIGHURS.
      Thats the card................................................................

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      • Come correct says:

        The puppeteer show his face once again, dont believe for one second he ever stopped pulling the strings.

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    • star man says:

      Once the Chief Shot Caller, always the Chief Shot Caller. OF COURSE he's still pulling the PLP/BIU strings...!

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    • Cleancut says:

      Yes, Brown still has his powers, of course money is power. How do you think Col. Burch was smuggled back in.

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  14. Mad Dawg says:

    I can't wait for Scott Simmons to come round my house and ask me to vote for him. I can't freakin wait.

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    • Maddog says:

      The plp don't need your vote and we will still win.

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      • Mad Dawg says:

        Simmons won't turn up anyway. Too lazy. And won't want the discussion. He's already accepted he will lose.

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  15. MinorMatters says:

    Is the Madame Premier going to be another COG in this wheel and allow rhetoric detrimental to our island to be spoken without any defense from her??? In addition to God save the Queen, that is, God help Bermuda.

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  16. Really?? says:

    INDEPENDENCE AGAIN? in a economic meltdown. can Bermuda ever be expected to stand on their own? especially in the grips of a global recession, how many times must we tell local supporters of independence we do not produce anything have absoulutly no exports. What and who will back our economy?

    If you wanna live in mud huts and eat salted fish like the first settlers did keep on going on this rocky road.

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  17. Really?? says:

    Oh HANG on, i had a brilliant idea!!

    Compromise, why dont we do what haiti and dominican did? split the island in half the east end will still be a UK colony and the west can be lef tto the premise of the so called patirots who want to disconnect themselves with the crown.

    There cannot be any arguement to this idea as it is completely fair.

    PROBLEM SOLVED

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    • Come correct says:

      Its not a good idea until a 100ft wall is dividing the two halfs, wouldnt want 3rd world expats coming over and stealing from my British economy...other than that, yea great idea

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    • Rick Rock says:

      Bloody great idea.

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    • observer says:

      Ya and sit and wait for mother Britain to save your azz up in the East and hope you don't run out of water... Fresh water that is..

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      • Come correct says:

        I could make fresh water out of my own urine, I think I'd be ok...

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  18. Ray Charlton says:

    The Premier has asked working class people to take a cut in their pay as we are in debt up to our ears and then we see un-necessary travel expenses most likely being funded by all of us?

    Premier Cox, are public funds being used for this event?
    If so how much has been budgeted?
    What are the expected benefits from attending this conference?
    Are the views being expressed personal or do they represent the views of Government?

    I can agree to spending money to create jobs, but I see little, to no value of spending money on events such as this; Particularly at this time, when so many have been asked to do more with less.

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    • It only hurts when I breath......... says:

      I want my pension money back. No hang on a minute.............I DEMAND MY PENSION MONEY BACK. (sorry for shouting).

      Where is the $800 million plus?
      where is the $30 million blind trust for Dame Lois building?
      Where, where, where has all of our money gone!???
      Why, why, why, are the powers that be not doing something to get these millions upon millions upon millions back?

      Oh I forget DREB and his PLP cronies are still spending it, only now its on plastic.

      PLP - living the good life while the people who voted for you do less with less and suffer more and more.

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      • Come correct says:

        Honestly I'm waiting for them to change the legislation because I want to cease my pension contributions too... Because I'll never see it!

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  19. 32n64w says:

    Abstract Quote: "The decision by Bermuda to provide refugee status to four Uighurs detained in Guantanamo Bay caused significant tension in the UK-Bermuda relationship."

    I'm sorry but this wasn't Bermuda's decision. It was Dr. Brown's decision alone; without consultation of his Cabinet, the House or the people of Bermuda.

    Abstract Quote: "While the UK stressed they have responsibility for Bermuda’s external affairs, Bermuda’s position is that it has responsibility for who is able to reside in the country."

    Agreed, but as the Uighur debacle clearly demonstrated, Dr. Brown made that decision in total isolation without proper consultation or reference to immigration legislation or prevailing immigration policies.

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    • Tired of nonsense says:

      Or his Cabinet (exc. for Burch)

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    • Battle4Business says:

      Perhaps he could start the presentation with the words "The reasons I had to deceive you".

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      • Cleancut says:

        And when the Cayman Press interviews Dr.Brown, and asks questions about how the people of Bermuda reacted to him and Burch smuggling in the detainees from Cuba, he can always whisper "WEEEEE DON'T CARE WHAT THEY THINK"

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  20. Tommy Chong says:

    @ bernews why do you keep editing out my references to the things that happened in washington in 1968? People need to be aware of this especially those of African descendants. Can I at least suggest that people research Washington's Shaw the H Street Northeast corridor, and Columbia Heights in 1968 & Ewart Brown & make their own conclusions about any parallel. Than there will be no direct accusations made this way.

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    • Mad Dawg says:

      Bernews, I for one would like to know what happened in DC in 1968, that Tommy wants to discuss.

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      • Tommy Chong says:

        @ bernews thanks for letting that one through unedited.

        @ Mad Dawg I partially understand why bernews has to edit this information since it goes a bit deep into the roots of our ex-premiers personality. It also suggest implications that some may deny exist & fire back at bernews for posting.

        My suggestion is to do the research into Ewart's background & his connection with Stokely Carmichael & the effect this connection had on one of the first predominantly African American towns in Washington & America. The answer will then become clear & if you see as I do startling. I'm sure if most found out what I know they would protest outside Ewart's office daily & would have never allowed him in parliament. Since Ewart's first government term I've tried to get this word out on many other sites but instead was block off & not even aloud to post anything ever again. So I must give the outmost respect to bernews for letting me get this close & being non biased.

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      • Come correct says:

        Google him, its all there.

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  21. Pre Madonna says:

    I hoped that like a bad smell, DREB had left our lives forever. Perhaps he can stay down in Cayman and ruin that country too. As long as he doesn't came back here.

    He needs to stay in his homeland.

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  22. Somerset Girl says:

    Refresh my memory. Are they going to talk to the Cayman people about how to raise their debt ceiling? Or I forgot they are going to talk about "how to fleece the seniors that put you in power and how to make them like it." Or maybe the question will be: "So how do you get the chickens in your country to vote for you time and time again? The answer: "Oh we just give them chicken feed."

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  23. Kim Smith says:

    Please confirm that Dr. Ewart Brown's speech is being given in an unofficial capacity and can only be reflective of his own personal opinion and memoir... unless we are being kept in the dark about the role he is playing in the background of the Government.

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    • star man says:

      "unless we are being kept in the dark about the role he is playing in the background of the Government."

      You are....

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    • Cleancut says:

      Kim Smith, you don't know whats going on behind the scenes, Premier Brown is another Jessie Jackson, Al Sharpton, Bill Clinton, George Bush, i guess you don't travel too much.

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      • Cleancut says:

        He Planted his seeds at our expense.

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  24. Cancer says:

    Ewart needs to stay out of Bermudas affairs. He has destroyed the island enough. This goes to show once again that the Cog is a weak leader and she does not pull the strings for the flip flop PLP. This flipPLoP party must be voted out as Ewart has had to many free rides on the people's money and here he goes again. Make him pay for his own plane ticket. Did he realize that Cayman was a country that wasnt his "been too" list and he told the Cog that he was going too? Once again this shows weak leadership from this government and an election needs to be called so the Brown/Cog administration can be gone once and for all!! Brown/Cog admin must be ousted!!!!

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  25. Are you serious says:

    It's not enough that the PLP want to make it as difficult as possible to do business in Bermuda,under the guise of acting in Bermudians interests. They now want to continue to antagonize the only other relationship that we have going for us that helps attract international business to Bermuda

    The fact that they want to use the Uighurs as a case study is absolutely absurd! Ewart acted on his own in bringing them here to ingratiate himself further with the US. The rest of the government and the people of Bermudas didn't know anything about it. Hopefully one day he will be held fully accountable for what he has done to this country.

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  26. Death to party politics says:

    "The decision by Bermuda to provide refugee status to four Uighurs detained in Guantanamo Bay caused significant tension in the UK-Bermuda relationship."

    How disingenuous. The decision by Bermuda? Bermuda had ZERO say in the Uighurs coming here. Hell, we didn't even KNOW about it till it was revealed that they had been smuggled in under cloak of darkness.

    Unreal.

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    • keep drinking the kool-aid says:

      hear hear - and now he is being allowed to go and speak on the subject, thus 'legitimising' the whole thing, while those in the audience have NO idea about how the whole thing came to pass.

      i cannot believe paula cox is actually letting him do this! AND going with him... she truly IS still just a 'cog in the wheel' - wow, how sad........ her father must be rolling in his grave. she sure didn't inherit much from him.....

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      • star man says:

        By doing this the Cog's writing a death certificate for Ewart's PLP/BIU Party.

        Good luck with that election thing.

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      • star man says:

        We should send one of our boys down to the Caymans to be in the audience... pointing out all the bull sh!t the Chief Shot Caller will surely spout.

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  27. Victor says:

    Perhaps Cayman could keep these three stooges. It would be a lot cheaper for all of us.

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  28. 2 questions.

    Do you think the conference organisers invited each of the presenters separately? Or do you think they sent a request to the Premier to decide which 3 speakers she would want to present at the conference?

    Once again we generally display our ignorance about how things work in the real world.

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    • LaVerne Furbert says:

      I would think that each of the speakers was invited separately.

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    • Cleancut says:

      Either way, yes, we are still in the real world, Oh, by the way, you have a friend.

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  29. Jamudian says:

    Actually, If they were invited to speak, it is customary that that the inviter pays travel, room and board, trans and meals!!
    I dont agree with large volumes of trips at tax payers expense or other forms of unneccessary spending. I have'nt voted in a while and once voted UBP and in 98 helped PLP into power.
    But from what I see here there are too many foreigners running their mouths just to stir the pot. They dont care about Bermuda. Im Bermudian and I worked with foreigners in the past that couldnt vote but wouldnt vote for PLP and I know it was a matter of race.
    Pick the bones outta that one!!!
    Alot of people are cought in this band-wagon of blatent bashing of the PLP. I am impartial and I call it how I see it and overstand it to be!!!
    I have't heard the speeches but I can tell from what I read above; They have some interesting And credible arguments to speek on!!
    DR. Brown may be alot of things but who isn't
    Hypocritttsss!!! lol. on a real!!
    The man is very intelligent, too intelligent for the slave masters liking!!
    Bermudians like I said before have their heads stuck in the sand. I'm a young bermudian, and I didnt see it until I left the island to canada to school and work!Dr. Brown left bermuda when young and studied and knows alot more about the way the world works than all of you on these post beating him down.
    I have never voted for him or ever written anything on here about him before. Before you thing Im one of his die hard supporters!!!
    I always use the same handle; II AM JAMUDIAN-JAMAICAN -BERMUDIAN.
    So is he. I dont always agree with everything he does but A spade is a Spade in my eyes!
    He knows his stuff!!!
    He's a BOSS!!!
    yOUNG BLACK BERMUDIANS COULD TAKE A PAGE OUTTA HIS BOOK AND LEARN, EDUCATED , GROW AND BECOME EFFECTIVE IN THIS LIFE! THE man is effective!!!
    The powers that be don't like that and are scared of that thats why Like Magic your young Black Men have guns appear in their hands outta no where and the triggers unexplainable being pulled like clock work!!!
    Its not by accident folks its by design, marginalization, miseducation and lack of self worth and grim future prospects is the plan of action!!!
    Sheet like the stop list!!!
    Sheet like the money that wee work for is like monopoly play money and only good if it goes through the hands of one of the slave owners off-spring cuffers(banks).
    Try taking your bermuda money anywhere without changing it first and see what its worth---NOTHING!!!USELESS paper with a whole bunch of symbols on it!!!
    Time is money peoples...you put in your hours and you get you play money and you play with it in your play world. Metophorically you can say Bermuda's 21 square miles is like a very large cruise ship that is permenantly anchored in the mid atlantic. The passengers are trapped and running around killing themselves and acting like they aint apart of the rest of the world!!
    Grow some balls a get your identity st8/straight!!!
    hanging under the masters table looking for crumbs!!
    Task task!!!
    Not to be critical so much as to be Real!!!
    I'm a realist and yes, I know-the truth hurts!
    But I only wish to see me people free...Let us us FREEE
    The truth shall set you freeee!!
    They , the bigger powers that be dont have your interest at heart!!! Point blank!!!
    We all blame the gov for not doing enoughabout the violence....But the person that controls all the Powers of the police and the Regiment is the Govenor!!! That guy that was here last Grosney???!!! He aint do sheeet!!!! he just sit and watch like its a secret experiment or something!!! He was just a watcher!! That was his mandate!!! Lets see how they kill each other. Oh and his son got in d act and was a witness in a gun crime!!! Who knows how that scene really went...But its the Gov. son so his word is pure and True!!! then he leaves the island and gives a standar statement on how he wishes bermuda well!!!!! BLAH BLAH!!! standard BS!!!
    Wake up people!!!
    Wake up!!
    Back to work
    Good day!!

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    • Tommy Chong says:

      “Dr. Brown left bermuda when young and studied and knows alot more about the way the world works than all of you on these post beating him down.”

      OOOH YES!!! If you REALLY knew what Ewart was doing in his years abroad you would know alot more about the way the world works. Maybe you should read his thesis he wrote at Howard University it is on their site for all to see.

      Then again you are partially Jamaican & may feel that Bermuda should go the same way as them. The MAJORITY of us don't for very good reasons.

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      • Jamudian says:

        email me the link or what you know Tommy Chong...justdoinmything@live.ca
        Thanks

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        • Tommy Chong says:

          I'll find the link & put it up here but I'm not emailing you. Sorry but this is the world wide web & I don't know you so I hope you understand. Besides others might want to read also. Be back in a bit.

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          • LaVerne Furbert says:

            Tommy Chong, if Dr. Brown's thesis is published on the web, it should prove something to you and the rest of the world. If indeed, his thesis is published, I would expect it to focus on something to do with medicine, as that was his area of study at Howard University. But, I know that you're bluffing on this one (again) that's why you can't provide the link.

            By the way, Dr. Brown has always been public about his political involvement while at Howard University.

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            • Come correct says:

              Even with the cadre Laverne? Seriously don't take us all for idiots, like I stated before, google him, its all there.

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            • Tommy Chong says:

              I've provided loads of links before to back my posts. You're just lucky I cant provide this one. But I did look for it on the Howard University site where I found it before. Yes, the thesis I read on the site focus on something to do with chemistry. I also remembering it mentioning his view of how & who should teach chemistry to an african american.

              Why don't you mention some posts where I refer to links & didn't back them up?

              While your at it why don't you also post your links that prove, ”Dr. Brown has always been public about his political involvement while at Howard.”?

              Does it mention this?

              “utterly devastated Washington's inner city economy. With the destruction or closing of businesses, thousands of jobs were lost, and insurance rates soared. Made uneasy by the violence, city residents of all races accelerated their departure for suburban areas, depressing property values. Crime in the burned out neighborhoods rose sharply, further discouraging investment. On some blocks, only rubble remained for decades.”

              I can provide the link for the rest of this. Can you back up ewart's side of the story? I would expect it to focus on something to do with him as a student leader, being a vocal figure during the (FILL IN THE BLANKS), speaking alongside campus activists and Black Panther leaders such as Stokely Carmichael.

              If this was his way of promoting political activism it really doesn't surprise me that he has done what he did to Bermuda. Actually after learning this I knew he would. What does surprise me is why so many still back him.

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    • Pastor Syl says:

      @ Jamudian: "Try taking your bermuda money anywhere without changing it first and see what its worth—NOTHING!!!USELESS paper with a whole bunch of symbols on it!!!"
      Given that what you say is true - and it is- then why would we be advocating for independence? So we can print our own money that will still be worth nothing? Have a look at the bills that were printed during Dr. Brown's tenure. Note how tiny the Queen's head is, how easy it would be to print over/disguise it in some way. They've been preparing for independence since then, I am sure. The thing I want to know is whether independence can be forced upon us.

      I said this before and it bears repeating. I was told in 1990 by someone among the criminal element that Bermudians didn't know what they were asking for when they agitated for independence. He said that the guys with the guns are just waiting for Britain to be out of the picture (i.e. no longer responsible for sending troops or warships to keep the peace), so that they could take over. Can you imagine how many guns have come into this island in the last 21 years, especially since we only really started looking for them in the last 4 or 5 years.

      I used to be an advocate for independence but no more.

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  30. jt says:

    Doc, Rolfe and the Colonel back in action for the next election. One more time anyone?

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  31. The Real Truth says:

    this is a crucial first step towards what needs to happen...

    we need a PLP re-election, but not for the reasons most people think. as a woman of mixed race who has watched in fascination while this Government uses racial rhetoric (coded and blatant) to spiritually demoralize and economically castrate the very demographic they claim to be fighting for, i’ve finally realized why its happening: because we deserve it. its time to sit back and take it, because make no mistake, we let this happen.

    we deserve to live in the hell that our pride, selfishness and sense of entitlement has brought down upon us. the white government started it with fascism, cruelty and slavery, and the black government will finish it with self-loathing, greed and cognitive dissonance. neither side is solely to blame...we all share in it equally. i only feel sorry for the portuguese and other demographics, who had little to do with it but will nonetheless suffer when it reaches boiling point.

    our chickens are coming home to roost, and re-electing the PLP is the quickest way to ensure that our children continue to grow up hungry, confused and full of hatred, thus speeding up the necessary, inevitable implosion of Bermudian society. the reassuring part is that we don't even have to do anything...just sit back and let it happen.

    tensions are far too high as it stands right now for there ever to be a reasonable political discourse again. we do not deserve the possibility of a better future that an OBA government MIGHT bring (even though they would likely be just as bad, if not worse).

    PLEASE vote PLP, or else suffer another guaranteed 5 years of false hope.

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    • Thompson says:

      bahaha do you do children's parties?

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    • keep drinking the kool-aid says:

      WOW. you actually NAILED it. i wish you would write more often - i completely agree with you, and appreciate that you spelled it out so succinctly. thank you. your second paragraph is the launching off point that all bermudians could benefit from reaching. golf-clap to you.... keep writing, preferably in the public forum. cheers

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  32. Rummy says:

    Mr. Putin comes to mind.
    All these comments yet the people still vote them in.
    By any means neccessary has returned.
    Death to a Nation.

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  33. well then says:

    so to sum it up:
    -ewart brown has gone to talk about uighars we didn't want.
    -walton brown has gone to discuss independence that we dont want.
    -and the premier has gone to talk about how we got so successful, ie share secrets to success with the counry that just last week said they were gunning for our top business spot.

    interesting.

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  34. Just sayin says:

    Don't just speak in the Caymans, STAY THERE AND RUIN THEIR LIVES, Like you have ruined ours.

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  35. Cancer says:

    Cayman please keep them please! Bermuda immigration please put them on your incoming stoop list please. US customs, help us out please please! Somebody, somewhere please please!!!

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    • specialgirl4you says:

      @Cancer, you at it again, hiding in Cyber-Space lynching at people. Try for once to raise the level of your discourse. I know this is a difficult challenge for you and others. But....here goes your back up team OBA/UBP... now in the attack track to support sillyness.

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      • 32n64w says:

        "hiding in Cyber-space"

        Pot, this is kettle calling. What exactly is wrong with expressing an opinion with a nom de plume? You and I do it. Should our voices be ignored? I certainly don't agree with your POV on most things but I've never advocated silencing your opportunity to express ill-informed, incorrect or illogical posts.

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  36. PDB says:

    Check out how long Ewart Brown's biography is compared to most others. He's a legend in his own mind :)
    He should do a second speech entitled, "Borrowing a $Billion: How to bankrupt a country in only four short years"

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  37. LaVerne Furbert says:

    You people are some sick people. Why would you think that this event is being sponsored by the Bermuda Government? Did you go online and read about the conference? Of course not? And where do you think Dr. Brown has been all of this time? After all, his home is in Bermuda.

    Some Bermudians may have little respect for Dr. Brown, but I can assure that internationally he is well respected.

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    • 32n64w says:

      "I can assure that internationally he is well respected."

      By who?

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      • Come correct says:

        Panther leaders

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      • specialgirl4you says:

        @ Mr. Barritt,

        All the OBA/UBP Trolls are once again mis-informed and acting in such immature, juvenile, childish and poor taste. The same rhetoric from the famous bloggers Clinton, Cancer, 32n64wm.,HMMMMM and others, I do not expect anything much from them. If this is what the OBA/UBP brings to the table, we are now doom. Mr. Barritt said today on the Talk Show, he wish that OBA/UBP bloggers would stop writing such nasty and uninformed stuff on the blogs. He hoped that the level of debate would be of a much higher level. I enjoyed listening to MR. Barrittt. Mr. Barritt, I am not sure if the OBA/UBP is capable of debating the issues at a higher level. What is more damaging is that support one another, even if someone is incorrect. In other words they praise the appalling, ghastly, and negative behaviours, and inappropriate level of discussions.

        Sounds like a lot of fear going on within the OBA/UBP..... Yes Dr.Brown is well
        respected internationally, it is only those that are locked in a time warp in Bermuda that are unaware of this fact.

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        • Shawn Burrows says:

          Congratulations for being guilty of exactly what you're accusing Mr. Barritt of without seeming to notice...yeesh.

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    • keep drinking the kool-aid says:

      BA- HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA - ya right.

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    • Shawn Burrows says:

      He's well-respected internationally because when you're cunning and manipulative with a good smile, its easy to convince outsiders that you're an upstanding citizen. If any of these people who "respected" him actually bothered to do a bit of digging, they'd find out the truth, but they won't because IT DOESN'T MATTER TO THEM, nor should it. Other countries have their own problems.

      Bermudians, having suffered the consequences of his decisions directly, know first hand what an atrocious leader he was, and those who aren't willing to admit it (present company included) are either:

      A) Benefitting financially from his cronyism
      B) Uneducated
      C) Racist
      D) Both A & C

      I have to admit that I get a twisted pleasure out of reading your comments both here at Bernews and on The Royal Gazette. Its really funny to hear somebody who's so far removed from reality themselves go on about OTHER people being out of touch. Its like a game show: "What's LaVerne Gonna Say Next?"

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      • Come correct says:

        A little voice told me I wouldn't have to say anything, you took the words right from my mouth...kinda...you said it better.

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    • Pastor Syl says:

      @ LaVerne: Dr. Brown may be well-respected internationally, but I am betting that is because they don't know the full story - they only get the spin.
      He is a very canny man and knows how to present himself in the best light, but he is not ethical and he has no shame, leading me to believe that his moral compass is deeply twisted.

      By the way, I don't hate him. I have no respect for him. I am angry and I hate what he has done and continues to do that negatively impacts this island.

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      • LaVerne Furbert says:

        Pastor Syl,

        As a Christian woman, and a "pastor" I'm surprised that you are not aware of the following scripture verse "And why beholdest thou the mote that is in thy brother's eye, but considereth not the beam that is in thine own eye?"

        By the way, I'm quoting from the King James version and not speaking personally of your brother, Stuart Hayward.

        Maybe you can give us some examples of what "he has done and continues to do that negatively impacts this island".

        I wouldn't expect you to hate Dr. Brown, after all, you are "Pastor Syl".

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        • OvEr says:

          Spent like it was free money which we're paying for now. There's just no way to deny that without sounding plain dumb.

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        • Pastor Syl says:

          @ LaVerne: If I was engaged in beholding the mote in Dr. Brown's eye, I'd be talking about his personal behavior, of which there is enough. Instead, I speak of his tenure as Premier, during which he engaged in lies and deceit (by his own admission), in breaking Civil Service Rules by engaging in political interferance (per reports by the Head of the Civil Service and the results of a court case. He set precedents in that arena as well, since there continue to be reports that government ministers are interfering where there should be no political input. He allowed, maybe even encouraged, no-bid contracts and allowed friends to benefit therefrom, so that the whole process was tainted. He acted as if he was the president of some great nation or some megalomaniac, insisting on limosines, 1st class travel and body guards. Yet I saw the Governor of Bermuda walking home up the North Shore Road from a funeral at Grace Church. He allowed or encouraged, or insisted upon spending as if the coffers were bottomless, for said travel, trappings, consultants and multiple other unnecessary expenditures. He allowed and encouraged negative racial sentiments to become the norm. He brought the office of Premier into disrepute in his own country by sneaking foreign nationals who were possible terrorists into the country without knowledge of his party, his ministerial colleagues, the Chief of Police or the Governor; and by becoming known as Dr.10% - rightly or wrongly.

          I am not a public figure, I have not set myself up as a public servant - so I do not have the same ethical duty toward the people of this island, even though I try to live according to the guidelines laid out by my Saviour.

          I am not sure why Stuart Hayward's name even enters into this discussion, but since you have raised it: It is my belief that you would have to search far and wide, deep and high to find an area in which Mr. Hayward could be accused of unethical behavior relating to his tenure as a politician. Even those that derided his stance as an independent have nothing but positive things to say about his integrity, straight-forward speech and his love for this island, which is manifested repeatedly in his efforts to preserve its social and environmental health.

          Since we are quoting, I think this quote by British statesman, Edward Burke is far more relevant to this discourse, "Evil flourishes when good men do nothing."? He also said, and I paraphrase somewhat, "the mark of public duty demands and requires that what is right should not only be made known, but made prevalent; that what is evil should not only be detected, but defeated." I am trying to do my part. Stuart Hayward has been doing his part. What about you?

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          • Come correct says:

            Wow...in no way am I religious, but "golf clap" lol

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          • LaVerne Furbert says:

            "Civil service rules"!! What are you talking about? Dr. Brown was not a civil servant. Please cite where the Head of the Civil Service commented on Dr. Brown.

            Pastor Syl, I think you should stick to mixing paint, rather than making political commentary. Everything that you have written is bull crap and you know it. Your personal disdain for Dr. Brown overrides the truth. I think it's time for some law suits around here. There is only one "Pastor Syl" and to make such accusations is untenable.

            And you have the nerve to call yourself "Pastor Syl"!! How many people do you "pastor"?

            Remember this, just as you have made those vile accusations about Dr. Brown, there are those who can make vile accusations about you.

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            • LaVerne Furbert says:

              You may be a "Pastor" but you're no "Mother Teresa". You need to ask God for forgiveness Pastor!!

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              • Triangle Drifter says:

                And WHAT, pray tell, do these personal attacks have to do with the topic??????

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              • OvEr says:

                Pathetic

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                • Hmmmm says:

                  Bottom line, Bermuda does not want independence. All this nonsense is beacuse Walton ane Ewart both want independence. COG if she supports independence then she will too not be reflecting the wishes of the people and should be voted out

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                • Specialgirl4You says:

                  Pathetic because the OBA/UBP Trolls fail to see and evaluate their actions. They continue to support one another, even if the behaviours are of a low level.This is indeed Pathetic. I hope that all those haters will reflect and work towards change.

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                  • star man says:

                    Ewart's PLP/BIU Party haters deserve everything they get on these blogs! Some are liars; many are unethical.

                    Time for a BIG change!! And going to this unnecessary conference to trash the Bermudian People, Brown, Brown and Cox may hear tolling of the death knell for the partying Party. And good riddance, we can't afford you anymore in any case.

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              • Real Talk (Original #26) says:

                Oh BURN, dun!

                You need to put a comma between “forgiveness” and “Pastor”, though, unless you were intentionally telling her to ask God for a man whose name is Forgiveness Pastor.

                (used in sentence):

                Bermudian: “Ay bie, what’s my boy Forgivneness Pastor sayin tonight?”
                Other Bermudian: “I think he’s out committing crimes against humanity with the Atheists Club.”
                Bermudian: “He’s got a misleading name, inna?”
                Other Bermudian: “Ya.”

                Also, why is “Mother Teresa” in quotes? I suppose I can understand your putting “Pastor” in quotes, as it seems you are trying to question Pastor Syl’s character. Mother Teresa’s motives, however, were in no way ambiguous or mysterious, making the quotes confusing, unnecessary and a seemingly cheap way to make people think you’re touching on a grandiose point.

                I “think” you “need” to “brush up” on your “English” a “bit”.

                But other than that I completely agree with every utterly incoherent point you’ve made in this comment thread.

                #JustSayin #ProperGrammar4Life <— (see the irony there…I don't "practice" what I "preach"!)

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                • Wintersun says:

                  I think Pastor Syl is a female!

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              • OvEr says:

                This is funny. You say it's time for some lawsuits to take place, then you immediately call a pastor a sinner (need for forgiveness=sins). You just can't make this stuff up..

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            • Pastor Syl says:

              Civil Service rules dictate that there should be no influence brought to bear on the workings of the civil service by politicians, which includes trying to influence who is hired and who is fired. LeYoni Junos is a case in point. It would take a little research to find the news report when Mr. Dill made his comments, but I'm sure I'm not the only one who remembers the report.

              I stand by everything I have said. It is either a matter of public record or, in the case of Dr. Brown being known as Dr. 10%, that is the name he is known by on the streets. I did not coin it and whether or not it is an accurate description, I cannot say. As I say, he is called that "rightly or wrongly." Do you object to the public being reminded of information that has already been presented to the public by others? Or do you object to me expressing my disgust because some of the people I pastor might listen to me?

              My life is an open book, LaVerne. I learned a long while back that I was only as sick as my secrets, and I wanted to be well and healthy, so I dropped all my stuff. If you want to pick it up, you are welcome to it. Just be sure to wear gloves.

              Since you have reduced this to public personal attacks, you won't mind if I remind you of what I told you privately. When I was 10, just starting Berkeley, enduring sexual molestation by relatives and teachers, lost and lonely, you and your wanna-be friends used to frighten me with your sharp, spiteful tongues, your cruel teasing. You no longer have the power to hurt me, Thank God. Instead you hurt yourself with your snide, vitriolic comments. I pray for you.

              By the way, just to shut you up although I owe you no explanations,I call myself Pastor Syl because I earned the designation, having been ordained on the 14th of June 2009 after a rigorous study and examination process. It is a matter of public record in Georgia.

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          • LaVerne Furbert says:

            Anyone who is concerned about the environmental health of another person would at least have their roof painted once every ten years.

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            • Face the Nation says:

              Anyone who is concerned about the state of ones roof would take good advice from DREB and stop blowing smoke out of their chimney .

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            • Pastor Syl says:

              I should resist but I can't.
              Clearly, you do not know where I live since my roof gets painted every other year.
              I'm not sure why you have such issues with my brother and I, What did we ever do to you except tell the truth about the public behavior of certain supposed-to-be public servants that you appear to admire? There is no reason to take that personally. I don't take it personally when you denigrate folks I admire, even though you call them names. I will even give you credit if you make points against them that are valid- that is, based on fact and logic, not just character assassination.

              I have criticized Dr. Brown's performance in his duties as Premier of this country. I have described his behaviors. I haven't called him names. I have made no mention of his personal failings, although there were those too, as you well know. You want to haul me before the courts for slander? Haul away, my girl. I haven't said anything that wasn't already in the public domain. I am not talking about him or you behind your backs, nor am I engaging in rumor-mongering.

              I want people in public office to behave ethically and with integrity. I think it is my responsibility as a citizen to speak up when that doesn't appear to be happening. If you can provide proof that what I say is wrong, I will gladly hear you, take it all back with apologies and do my very best to ensure a different truth is presented to the public. I most surely doesn't make me happy to make the comments I have made. I am instead filled with a profound sadness.

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      • star man says:

        If only Ewart had chosen the Lightside, he could have done so much for this little Island. But he chose to serve the Darkside, and the rest is history....

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      • specialgirl4you says:

        “Judge not, that you be not judged. For with the judgment you pronounce you will be judged, and with the measure you use it will be measured to you. –Matthew 7:1-2

        I am not surprise of Pastor Syl, after all her brother is Stuart Hayward. As a- so-called-Christian woman, one would expect a much higher level of discourse coming from her. Jesus said, "Come all the children, I love your all", yet she displays such hate in her heart. Sad in deed someone calls themselves Pastor, this is sad indeed. Dr. Brown has not done anything to this Island, except improve on Bermuda Infrastructure. If what he did was so bad in your eyes, why are you still here? You hate him because you are lying to God that you love all persons. I am sad to hear you walk into the Lords house and call yourself a child of God. Sad indeed. Pastor Syl you are calling the kettle black, as you appear even cannier than any Pastor I have ever known. Come on and raise your level of debate. I will pray for you daily, and hope you and the rest of the haters will fill your hearts with love. I love you all.

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        • Come correct says:

          Again in no way am I religious but last I checked the bible said "come as you are". Do you believe a Pastor is of any higher being than you or I? Do you think she roams the night slaying evil while we sleep safe in our beds? The only difference is she has dedicated her life to something she truly believes in and who are you to judge her for that? You should try judging yourself, at least its constructive.

          What kills me is now not only have you tried to tarnish the name of the "oba/ubp" as you call it but now Pastor Syl...IMO beacause a good majority of the black polulation is religious, it actually sad you would go to that extent.

          People please do not believe the words writen by somebody motivated my money.

          You have to be paid to be this ignorant.

          Money is not the root of all eveil, man is, and we created it, and it now makes the world go around, we need change, bigger than we think.

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          • Specialgirl4You says:

            Your heart is also filled with great hate. WOW OBA/UBP no change the UBP are rearing their ugly heads once again. This is evident by the same behaviours beind displayed. Have they not learnt anything from 2007? Do not hate my dear, try not to be a hater....ask Pastor Syl to pray with you and the OBA/UBP and herself at the same time. God will try and work with you.....A Pastor does not act in the manner in which pastor Syl does, one directs people to a better path in life and discourse. She reflects neither of these, and seem to take on the role of hater.

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            • Come correct says:

              So because she's a paster she can't have a PERSONAL opinion. I get you now...

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            • Shawn Burrows says:

              This is a hilariously pathetic argumentative tactic. You're literally just taking points that you know people will use against YOU, then rattling them off completely out of context just so you can say that you thought of them first (eg. "Your heart is filled with great hate"). What this signifies is that you KNOW you are wrong deep down, but are so so blinded by pride (and possibly dollar signs) that you're willing to sell out your own beliefs.

              Luckily for anyone with half a brain, it reads like the incoherent garble of a mental patient. You never actually address any of the points Pastor Syl made directly, because you know that if you did you would look even more foolish than you already do. Character assassination and manipulating God's word to justify your conflicting viewpoints are all you've got.

              Judging by your grammar and sentence structure, you're also likely a product of our failing education system, which I'll admit is definitely the UBP's fault. In that sense, I can completely understand why you're bitter towards them.

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            • star man says:

              SMH - you can't make this sh!t up.

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    • Ray Charlton says:

      Ms. Furbert, are Bermuda public funds being used to pay for this event?

      Are these three speakers representing the views of the Bermuda Government?

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      • LaVerne Furbert says:

        Mr. Charlton, I would not expect that the event is being paid by public vunds and knowing all three speakers as I do, I would expect that each will present their personal views. Have no fear, I don't either of them will be speaking for you or those who think like you.

        It is obvious that you are new to public discourse by your questions.

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        • Rick Rock says:

          So LaVerne, you and SpecialGirl actually have no idea at all whether or not public funds are being used. So my guess is as good as yours. Right?

          And my guess is that public funds will be used to cover the expenses of travel etc. for one or more of these speakers. Which, as I'm sure you agree, is a totally unacceptable use of public funds.

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          • star man says:

            Don't forget the Entourage that usually travels with these lot... it's gonna cost us taxpayers a small fortune!

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        • star man says:

          "Have no fear, I don’t (think) either of them will be speaking for you or those who think like you."

          You see Ms Furbert, THAT is the problem! Too bad you don't see it. SMH.

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      • specialgirl4you says:

        Ray knows everything, why is he asking such a no-brainier questions?

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    • Mad Dawg says:

      So are you stating LaVerne that none of the costs of attending this will be paid for out of taxpayer funds? That the individuals will payy all the costs of attending?
      Is that what you're telling us?

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      • Rick Rock says:

        She has no idea. She's just saying anything that enters her head to defend the PLP.

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      • Rick Rock says:

        What the the other two attendees? Are they paying for themselves or are they getting an all-expenses-paid trip courtesy of Bermuda's taxpayers, to further a cause that most Bermudians don't support, at a time when the country can't afford luxuries for elite politicos?

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        • Specialgirl4You says:

          Representing Bermuda well.....the best three BROWN.....COX.......BROWN....... GO Bermuda!!!!

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          • Specialgirl4You says:

            I can see that the OBA/UBP bloggers have not changed and refused to even try. They have proven my theory by continuing to spill out out such nasty and hateful comments daily on the blogs. This is what the OBA/UBP is about. Well this suggests that the UBP are once again rearing their ugly heads, and nothing has changed. Did you learn anything from 2007? It is clearly evident that little has been learnt. Hopefully, your leader will reach out to you and help you develop a higher level of discourse. It is truly sad, and does a lot to encourage persons not vote for the OBA/UBP. Well done !! This is the only outcome from such negative discourse. Now a picture of another option has just been closed. Sorry OBA/UBP fans, you have turned persons off from giving you a vote.

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            • jt says:

              Snore.

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              • proudbermudian says:

                Oh come on Betty, we all know you are the PLP/BIU girl, you and laverne share the same office don't you? So, you both sit there, at the expence of the workers who pay Union dues, and talk nonsense. The PLP/BIU will not win the next election just cuz your Government has always gone beyond their remit. To ask Ewart to speak in the Caymsns is a JOKE! The man bankrupt this island, and we all know it, besides you two. Must be drinking that Kool-aide he made for you. You PLP lot have your a---- in the clouds. OBA ALL THE WAY.

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                • proudbermudian says:

                  lAVERNE, three of Bermuda's finest minds? Well let;s see now, Ewart's speech should be about "how to take down a country" Paula's should be "How to destroy a country, while a cog" and Walton's should be "How to NOT get elected". Those would be interesting topics that we would all read about and they all have the expertise to go with it. GO OBA, WE NEED A CLEAR WAY FORWARD.

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                  • Specialgirl4You says:

                    I can see that the OBA/UBP bloggers have not changed and refused to even try. They have proven my theory by continuing to spill out out such nasty and hateful comments daily on the blogs. This is what the OBA/UBP is about. Well this suggests that the UBP are once again rearing their ugly heads, and nothing has changed. Did you learn anything from 2007? It is clearly evident that little has been learnt. Hopefully, your leader will reach out to you and help you develop a higher level of discourse. It is truly sad, and does a lot to encourage persons not vote for the OBA/UBP. Well done !! This is the only outcome from such negative discourse. Now a picture of another option has just been closed. Sorry OBA/UBP fans, you have turned persons off from giving OBA/UBP a vote. Stop OBA/UBP haters, and find love in your hearts. Hope the Pastor is praying for you all.

                    Well done BROWN-COX-BROWN at the conference, I am so proud that 3 Bermudians get to represent us on the international stage at an International Conference. This is indeed an achievement for Bermuda. I hope that in the future more Bermudians will also get such an opportunity, as it does not come easily. Keep pushing forward.

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                    • Specialgirl4You says:

                      “OBA/UBP HATERS” is the new name brand……This segment of our populations has not changed. This is the UBP rearing their ugly heads, and acting as they did before. No change, but it sure has made persons consider that in fact they are not the party to vote for. OBA is the UBP, just wearing sheep’s clothing. I thought us as a people had come much further than this, but clearly this is not the case. The UBP/OBA have not changed in any fundamental way, in fact these comments reflect just the opposite. Sad, but true. What is sadder, they support one another in acting in such distasteful manner, which speaks a lot about the nature of the UBP/OBA.

                      Here we have 3 Bermudians presenting at a conference. This is indeed an honour when anyone has 3 persons giving a presentation at an International Conference. Bermuda should be proud, as this is not an easy objective to achieve for any country. Anywhere, in the world this would be seen as an outstanding achievement. Here we have OBA/UBP Trolls degrading such an achievement, for what? Political gain, to decry person of such intelligence to present at a conference. This speaks volumes about the level of intellect of the OBA/UBP trolls and supporters, it is surely at the low level.

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                    • Mountbatten says:

                      You write as a RELIC thinks .

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                    • Kathy says:

                      I am so disappointed in the comments written by those of the OBA. This issue does not require such comments. I do not know if I will continue my support for the OBA, as I was hoping for real change. However, a careful reflection of the comments suggest this may not be the case, guess I was fooled into believing things would change. To write such degrading and bad comments is not required, when making a point. Come on Bermuda, we can do better than this.

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                    • Tolerate says:

                      Wow,
                      We have some really backward thinking people applauding this attempt to take the mic. How in the hell can opening an old wound like the Uighurs issue going to be productive to Bermuda. This was ONE MANS decision, never discussed with his colleagues let along the general public of Bermuda.
                      Was not the Cayman just in the media on targeting Bermuda International Business? We are speaking on the successful job we are doing.
                      Lastly, check the polls; the majority of Bermudians are against Independence.
                      Whether this is personal opinions or not, these people are part of our ruling Government, making speeches on such topics.
                      Treason…..

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                    • navin johnson says:

                      The vast majority are against Independence and the vast majority are against Ewart Brown who will go down as the worst Premier this island ever had....the few like Ewart Brown and Walton Brown and Rolfe and The Colonel keep the pot stirred....Rolfe and The Colonel have to keep their mouths shut while they are campaigning as they are under orders to do so for fear of not getting elected...he should begin his speech by stating that the decision to bring the Uighers here was a one man decision that the people of Bermuda and the UK had no knowledge of and it was a power play on his part to deliberately stick it to the UK....nothing more to it than that.....

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                    • Kathy says:

                      @Navin Johnson

                      It sounds like to me your attempting to provide an excuse for these negative behaviours displayed by the OBA. This is not good, and there is no reason for such behaviours over a very simple issue. After all you jump the facts regarding this matter, and suggested with out facts that the government is paying for this trip. The excuse you present for such behaviours are not good. Many of my friends today, where not comfortable with this, and we discussed that maybe after all OBA is not the party to vote for as well. Politics for the sake of getting dirty is not always the path to take.

                      How can you condone and approve of this behavior by many of the OBA bloggers on a regular basis. I do not post on blogs, but this issue pushed my buttons to write something. Also, not everyone hates Brown/Rolf, others do see them differently, you have only presented your version and side of the story. I do not believe we should hate people, no matter who they are. I can not hold bad feelings in my heart about anyone. You must be willing to accept that not everyone hold the same belief as you. I am extremely disappointed and concern that people would act in such a manner. I had a strong hope that the OBA would have helped to bring forward change, but guess this is not the case afterall.

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                    • Tired of nonsense says:

                      Then why do you condone the blatant race baiting and divisiveness spewed by the PLP camp?

                      The 2007 election campaign run by the PLP was one of the dirtiest and most negative campaigns I have ever encountered. The labeling of others due to their political affiliations was rampant and just downright nasty.

                      But somehow you only take offense at the bloggers on this site. Do you view Ms. Furbert's and specialgirl's posts as being "tolerant" and "enlightening?"
                      Your false outrage us quite transparent and hypocritical at best.

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                    • omar little says:

                      Kathy I am going to speak on behalf of Navin who is taking a well deserved rest..I did not use the term "everyone" but referred to the vast majority as against independence as the recent polls indicate and I also did not refer to everyone as against Rolfe and The Colonel but again the overwhelming majority do...I am not sure what else you are referring to as far as OBA behavior my interest is in Bermuda and the party lead by Brown and now cox has taken the path of financial ruin for many of us except perhaps some of the party faithful.. I dont know about the OBA as being the party as you say but feel that Bermuda needs a change and they represent that choice and like you have I my version and side of the story....as far as your last sentence about the strong hope of the OBA my side of that story is that you did not in fact hold strong hope for there is little that they have said and done "for the sake of getting dirty"...so you stick with Brown ,Cox ,Burgess and company and I will stick with anyone but that lot....that's what makes the world go round...you feel me?

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                    • Kathy says:

                      Let raise the level of debate, and stop making up poor excuses for such interactions.

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                    • Tired of nonsense says:

                      So please explain why you apparently hold the supposed "OBA bloggers" (not all are OBA supporters but more anti-PLP at this point in time, but it is easier to stereotype right?) to a higher moral standing than pro-PLP bloggers? If you and your friends are so against this rhetoric then I assume you will be spoiling your ballot in the upcoming election as both sides are engaging in such vitriol.

                      And if you are so disgusted by the comments on here then I am surprised that you are still alive or even reside in Bermuda after the downright disgusting 2007 PLP campaign. On top of that you seem to have little problems with Col. Burch and Mr. Commisiong calling other black Bermudians “house ni$$ers” or hanging up on a caller during a talk show because they confirmed they were of the caucasian persuasion. I could go on for days about the low “level of discourse” spewed by the PLP supporters, stalwarts, MPs and Senators. But despite all this documented hatred you seem to have a problem with a handful of bloggers (not OBA MPs, candidates or senators) that you have conveniently labeled into a pretty package. So basically you will not vote for the OBA because of a bunch of anonymous bloggers, but will vote for a party whose elected members practice such divisiveness.

                      As I said before your so called “moral outrage” is see through and if you are serious then it is simply hypocritical at best.

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                    • Specialgirl4You says:

                      @ kathy, I enjoyed reading your post. I glad to see persons are paying attention to this negative level of debate. I believe you put it best. But it is likely that they will never get it. They are so comsumed with hate, that unfortunately they are not able to move beyond that. What is even more sad, Mr. Dunkley approves of such behaviours, as he indicated on a another article. Sad indeed.I do not think they will ever get it.

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                      March 13, 2012 at 2:33 pm

                      Obviously, you and others are not aware of the level of your discourse as being negative and outright wrong. Instead, you continue to give poor excuses for it, and compare yourselves to others. Even the tone of your reply to me, suggest you excuse the behaviours and attempt to provide justifiable reason for why. There is little or no reasons for such negative interaction and dialogue with others. Attempts to hit back at others, makes no sense and no one gains in the long run. A fair debate means listening to others viewpoint, even if you disagree. Others also have the right to present their position on the issue, even if you disagree. But, the debate should be based upon “FACTS”. It appears that some bloggers seem to disregard anyone whose viewpoint differs from theirs, and display a distasteful reaction to it. I am not willing to associate my name to that type of behaviours and feel extremely disappionted in the OBA. I guess it is my maturity level to debate an issue without resorting to such a low-level of discussion, that I can not accept your rationale for such bad behaviours.

                      The poor excuses of such as who is like more or less in Bermuda, is so silly and not-called for, not good enough reason. All political figures will not be liked by everyone, as the job can be an unpopular one. No one is going to agree with all their policies and decisions they make during their time in office. I suggest you try being a political figure, and see how difficult the challenge can be. This is not necessary or required. Failure to examine the level of debate from an intellectual perspective rather than emotional one, is more effective level of debating. It is likely that the OBA will not be successful, if this type of dialogue continues. Persons are tried of this day to day back-biting and seeking solutions and not everyday sillyness of name-calling and attempts to degrade persons. Looks like your attempting to outrace- the-race of political rhetoric. It is a child-like debate that I have never witness. Come on Bermuda we can raise to a higher level than this..I am sure of it..

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                    • Tired of nonsense says:

                      So please explain why you apparently hold the supposed “OBA bloggers” (not all are OBA supporters but more anti-PLP at this point in time, but it is easier to stereotype right?) to a higher moral standing than pro-PLP bloggers? If you and your friends are so against this rhetoric then I assume you will be spoiling your ballot in the upcoming election as both sides are engaging in such vitriol.

                      And if you are so disgusted by the comments on here then I am surprised that you are still alive or even reside in Bermuda after the downright disgusting 2007 PLP campaign. On top of that you seem to have little problems with Col. Burch and Mr. Commisiong calling other black Bermudians “house ni$$ers” or hanging up on a caller during a talk show because they confirmed they were of the caucasian persuasion. I could go on for days about the low “level of discourse” spewed by the PLP supporters, stalwarts, MPs and Senators. But despite all this documented hatred you seem to have a problem with a handful of bloggers (not OBA MPs, candidates or senators) that you have conveniently labeled into a pretty package. So basically you will not vote for the OBA because of a bunch of anonymous bloggers, but will vote for a party whose elected members practice such divisiveness.

                      As I said before your so called “moral outrage” is see through and if you are serious then it is simply hypocritical at best.

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                    • star man says:

                      Ho-hum....

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                    • star man says:

                      "Many of my friends today, where not comfortable with this, and we discussed that maybe after all OBA is not the party to vote for as well"

                      I don't believe you've talked with "many" of your friends. You're just attempting to spin the facts again for Ewart's PLP/BIU Party.

                      The behaviour of pro-OBA bloggers is no issue. Except to you. Considering the state the Island is in, thanks to Ewart's PLP/BIU Party, our criticism is mild. All we're doing is trying to cut through your spin to the truth.

                      "I had a strong hope that the OBA would have helped to bring forward change, but guess this is not the case afterall."

                      How can the OBA possibly bring about change?! The are NOT the Government - YET. And they won't be giving any ideas to Ewart's PLP/BIU Party to steal.

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            • Rummy says:

              Hey special.
              Why is it I can't coment on the PLP site.

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            • star man says:

              Do you ever stop?... bla-bla-bla-bla-bla-bla-bla-bla-bla-bla-bla-bla-bla-BLAH!!!

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  38. Argosy says:

    All rational, thinking Bermudians should consider this the final nail in the PLP's coffin.

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      Seriously... good luck with that election thing!

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  39. Familiar says:

    I'm going to applaud 'the real truth'. I don't know who you are but that was brilliant.

    It just saddens me that people at this conference are going to hear those three talk and have the misguided belief that any of them actually speak for Bermuda and Bermudians.

    @ LaVerne Furbert... You could be right about Ewart Brown being well respected internationally, but when it comes down to it, it's not worth a hill of beans. Most of the worst leaders in the world were, at least for part of their political lives, well respected.

    Just saying.

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    • specialgirl4you says:

      President Obama is respected internationally, than at home. He is also known to be more Popular Abroad than at Home. Leaders are not often understood by their own country man. Often the people do not understand their policies and procedures, during their time in office. Many do not like their approach to issues and position on political matters. Most leaders become understood in some cases years after they leave office. The same case with Dr. E.F Gordon, "Mazumbo" many did not like him during his time in office. The fact that he changed his name tells an interesting story. He fought on regardless, after his death; many finally began to understand the historical perspectives and reasons for his strong approach to politics and fighting on behalf of the people. He was a strong leader, and Dr Brown possesses many of Dr.Gordon similar charactertics. Gordon was, in the words of author and anti-racism activist Dr. Eva Hodgson, “dynamic”, “arrogant”, “brilliant” and “imperfect,” but who more than any other man succeeded in “awakening a political consciousness among the labouring classes.”

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      • keep drinking the kool-aid says:

        we are not discussing gordon here. we are discussing the fact that these three are going to speak at a conference where the attendees will be given the impression that they speak for BERMUDA. and they DON'T. try to follow the bouncing ball.......

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        • specialgirl4you says:

          An intelligent person would not even discuss why someone is attending a professional conference of such a high level. Do you even know what the purpose of the conference is about? Why do you not understand who is funding the conference? Why did you never ask such a questions when you’re beloved OBA/UBP were off to a conference of the same level? Or are you just out to degrade persons? It comes across as extremely disingenuous, by all you OBA/UBP TROLLS. Just the fact one is going to a professional conference is reason is enough. It is petty, and shows a real lack of understanding from you and others. If you do not understand, than ask questions, and get real answers, rather than engage in dialogue that is loaded with mis-information and nonsense. Come on and raise the level of debate, please do not get lost in political rhetoric.

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          • Come correct says:

            An intelligent person questions EVERYTHING.

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          • Shawn Burrows says:

            @specialgirl4you

            Once again, your hypocrisy is hilarious. Each and every point you make here is something that you are guilty of yourself.

            The fact that you say "please don't get lost in political rhetoric" after spending an entire disjointed paragraph blathering on IN POLITICAL RHETORIC shows how far gone you are.

            Also, you need to learn how to spell.

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          • isn't freedom of speech wonderful? how lucky we are.... says:

            @specialgirl: reading your posts just makes me sad..... you're so bitter and angry and misinformed yourself that you cannot contribute in any meaningful way to what we are trying to discuss here. take a step back, try to gather yourself, and really know what it is you want to say - you are putting alot of effort into posting here, yet you just come across as hysterical (and i don't mean funny) and grasping at straws, all while trying to throw in fancy terms like 'political rhetoric' (which you might want to look up....)

            by the way, people who are 'raising the level of debate' are not resorting to childish name calling. it doesn't help you make your point. we are all in this together, just like someone pointed out earlier. we are ALL to blame, in one way or another, whether it was purposefully through our actions, or not. now, calm down, try to walk around the issue and see it from different angles and then contribute in an informed way, ok? nothing grows from your methods..... no-one is arguing that these three ought not go to conferences -- the argument is that they have personal agendas that are being given a place on stage, thereby giving the conference audience the false impression that they represent bermuda's position as a community. if this was not the case, there would not be 150+ comments....

            ok. so, calm down, take a deep breath, try to contain your emotions, and let's see where we can go, together.

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            • Specialgirl4You says:

              @isn't freedom of speech wonderful? how lucky we are.... says

              I think you are blind to your own supporters that are writing such nasty and hateful comments. Please do back and read the comments., and do not overlook who is writing what. Stop supporting the wrong behaviours of the OBA/UBP fans, unless you yourself are in agreement with it. You support their behaviours yet attempt to decry others who are not even writing on the same level. What is wrong with the OBA/UBP fans? Why do you support such behaviours, that are so wrong? This speaks volumes about he OBA/UBP, remember freedom of speech comes with some regulations. Your folks have failed all the regulations. Stop the blindness of the nasty behaviours of the OBA/UBP

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      • Familiar says:

        And this somehow relates to Ewart Brown, how?

        And you get high points for your discussion, however inappropriate to the topic, on Dr. E.J. Gordon, he was a forward thinker and did a great deal of good in some areas. Let's face it, people of the time weren't really big fans of blacks voting, so yeah, his voice would not have been popular. Mind you, if he'd had his way about other things, you and I, specialgirl4you, would not be allowed to vote. Just something to think about. Good and bad though, he'll be remembered best for his good. Unlike Ewart Brown who, I have no doubt, will not be remembered for anything so positive.

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        • Familiar says:

          I do actually know that it's E.F. Gordon. I just can't spell half the time.

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  40. Another speech? says:

    Maybe her speech should be entitled "The Bermuda Success Story, or how to single handedly turn an economic miracle and a balanced budget into a $1.5 billion debt!"

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    • 32n64w says:

      This.

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    • jt says:

      Another speech: I can understand why Cayman would be interested in that .

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  41. LaVerne Furbert says:

    Maybe the conference organisers should have invited Bob "The Snob" Richards, Craig "The Colt" Cannonier" and Pastor Syl to speak. And if "Pastor Syl" couldn't make it because of her commitment to her "church" maybe she could have volunteered one of her members, but it will have to be one that is "ethical and has some shame".

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    • Face the Nation says:

      Spsst , Hey Lavern , got a little job for you . Could you please find out what happened to the construction divisions money , you know the same fund that the current BIU building was built from .
      I was a member from '83-2004 and can't get any answers , Bro.Ottie left the fund intact . I'm counting on you as a former respected Senator to bring light where only darkness is found .

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    • Shawn Burrows says:

      What's it like to be fueled solely by hate?

      Its hilarious how you condemn others for name-calling, then do it yourself.

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    • Random says:

      The event is in Cayman and is being hosted/run by UCCI (among others) with the aim to "consider trajectories for the next 50 years of development of Caribbean societies".

      While I am sure the subject matter that Dr. Brown will be referencing is a very good topic to highlight both existing perceptions and even some real issues between OTs and the UK. I have two main issues with those who think it is a good idea for Bermuda.

      Firstly, using the phrase of "decision by Bermuda to provide refugee status" misleads. Regardless of his beliefs and justifications, it is well documented that it was not a decision by Bermuda, but a few people in a clandistine operation. Premier Cox even admitted she was "politically neutered". The use of phrasing appears to be an attempt to seek international acceptance and justification for his personal actions. The fallout of this event in Bermuda is still a very tender subject for many (just look at the comments here) and it was not an inclusive process in any way or form.

      Secondly, Cayman has recent started targeting Bermuda's International Business using such rhetoric and comments of "without the malice, without the inhibitions of race". Now, regardless of the truth of such comments, it is the stance they are now taking. And if repeated enough, those who don't know better will start to believe the messager without question. Therefore, any time anyone related to Bermuda starts making speeches about conflicts and division, Cayman will be standing by with a nudge to international business with a comment of "see, they are at it again". What better way to create an event to do this than by inviting Dr. Brown to come to a Cayman event and speak on this very topic.

      Maybe I'm overanalyzing this. However, is it any coincidnce that there is also a presentation called "UK Dependent Territory Succeeds: An Analysis of Cayman’s Successful Development". Bermuda will have 2 people (if you include Mr. Brown's presentation) stating that the relationship is flawed and creates division; and Cayman will be standing up and saying how the partnership works.

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    • OvEr says:

      The name-calling just shows the maturity.

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    • OvEr says:

      No matter how much you try, the pathetic nicknames won't stick. It's ironic that you talk about the need for lawsuits (insinuating defamation ones, presumably) and then you start calling people names.

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  42. Trident says:

    I love that the cyber haters are so consumed by Dr. Brown. It's like watching angry hillbillys who reenact the civil war every weekend. I love that he won the 2007 election which kicked dunkley out of parliament, i loved that thumbed his nose at britain by accepting the uighars, (dr. brown, eric holder, obama all laughing at the brit pm). Most of all I love that cancer and the hate brigade will have their heads constantly explode was Dr. Brown takes his victory laps.

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    • Barracuda says:

      Dont worry Trident, Her Royal Highness the Queen loves you just as much as her other subjects. YEEHAW

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    • Cleancut says:

      "Cyber Clansmen" Get your facts straight Trident.

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  43. Trident says:

    REUTERS, Barack Obama has sent Sir Winston Churchill packing and pulse rates soaring among anxious British diplomats. Mr Obama declined an offer to hang on onto the bust for a further four years. A bust of the former prime minister once voted the greatest Briton in history, which was loaned to George W Bush from the Government's art collection after the September 11 attacks, has now been formally handed back.

    The bronze by Sir Jacob Epstein, worth hundreds of thousands of pounds if it were ever sold on the open market, enjoyed pride of place in the Oval Office during President Bush's tenure.

    But when British officials offered to let Mr Obama to hang onto the bust for a further four years, the White House said: "Thanks, but no thanks."

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    • Hmmmm says:

      Who cares. It is a glorified paper weight. Britain didn't really want it either.

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    • Random says:

      Yet Obama kept Queen Victoria's table.

      Interesting story from 2009; and absolutely nothing to do with the above story.

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    • Rick Rock says:

      You really need to stay on topic. Try concentrating more.

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  44. specialgirl4you says:

    Many admired Dr. Brown; many saw in his strong leadership style that was rare and uncommon. Ronald G. Bookman- in his article stated that, With the exception of President Barack Obama, perhaps no political leader in the world today better exemplifies that more than Dr. Ewart F. Brown, Premier of Bermuda. Dr Brown was an intelligent leader, no other leader possesses the skills he had. In many ways Brown was born to the leadership mantle and politics. Clearly, his decision to accept the Uighur detainees on Humanitarian grounds, in response to the request by the Obama Administration, placed Brown in an uncomfortable global spotlight. But, for over four decades, he understood the tenuous demands of leadership. And like many of the challenges he’s faced in the past, Brown made not only a courageous decision, but the right decision, as well.

    Larry Burchall (Oct 2010), describes him in an article in the Bermuda Sun as “In essence and summing up succinctly: Dr Brown is and was a strong leader who needed to be matched with a strong staff and support system. He was a man too strong for the times. A mis-match. History records many such mis-matches. This suggests that Dr. Brown was a leader well ahead of his time, and many could not understand this factor. In essence, from 2007 to now, a strong aggressive and intelligent leader who was well-endowed with that rare quality of cold discipline was leading a group of people who never ever amassed the strength to balance and support him.

    While Dr. Brown is respected perhaps overseas, more than at home. Many MPs in Bermuda also admire his leadership and smarts of being a politician. I too have observed that Dr Brown was a strong leader. No one can stand against him and debate on such a high level. While I may not have agreed with every policy or programme he implemented. I am looking at his leadership from a more critical position of discourse. He has achieved more than most political leaders in Bermuda, during his short time in politics than others. He was strong, stood up to anyone, and did not back-up in a corner. People feared him, because of his strong leadership style. His race to get things done for the people of Bermuda may have been one of his short comings. But, he was in-tune with Bermuda, and was successful on many fronts. Say what you like but,… disagree if you must,…. history will record that he did have many political successes.

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    • Mountbatten says:

      He destroyed the frigging coffers , that's exactly what DREB did , and yes he did it in record time .

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    • Come correct says:

      Honestly I don't think anyone questions his intelligence, IMO anybody would be a fool and be left chasing their tail if they underestimate Dr. Brown. I see you like quotes, wat about this one. "If you want to test a mans integrity, give him power."

      Just as an example, you quote Ronald G Bookman saying "Clearly, his decision to accept the Uighur detainees on Humanitarian grounds, in response to the request by the Obama Administration, placed Brown in an uncomfortable global spotlight. But, for over four decades, he understood the tenuous demands of leadership. And like many of the challenges he’s faced in the past, Brown made not only a courageous decision, but the right decision, as well."...Bold? Your damn right. The right decision? The right decision would have been consulting the publice first, the voters, the PEOPLE of Bermuda that he represents.I'm starting to think that governments forget who pays them, I think goverments have forgotten to fear the people,they (governements, not just the plp) divide and conquer, and we fail to see ourselves as a nation of one, we're like lost sheep following the shephers decision making, instead of actively being involed in the decions that are made. When was the last time we got a say in something other than an election? We have become complacent...

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      • Specialgirl4You says:

        Stop the sillyness, not all great leaders go to the people in every case. I suggest you go and review how many great leaders asked or told the people of every decision they made before doing something. I am sure it will reflect that many did not and it was for good reasons. This is the same case in regards to this matter. So get over it OBA/UBP TRolls.

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        • Come correct says:

          Ok black beret cadre blind follower, wat have I told you about my position on governments? I really don't want to see either party in power to be honest, I could tell you what I would like to see happen to them but I'd probably have the police kicking my dorr in shortly after.

          As for great leaders not consulting their people...well if you look our countrys position, I'd say his performance was far from GREAT, selfish maybe. Like I said before they have lost the fear of the people. Its about time we put it back.

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    • Shaking the Head says:

      Easy to be a strong leader when you ignore the law. Name 3 positive things that Dr Brown did for Bermuda and Bermudians as opposed for himself during his tenure as Premier.

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      • Mountbatten says:

        He destroyed the frigging coffers that's what he did . And he did it with an unmatched ability and a unprecedented thoroughness . He had the unnatural strength of a blind bull in a china shop .
        Owing to him and Mrs.Cox we are left to borrowing money from people and entities we don't even know .

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        • Specialgirl4You says:

          Only people that raided the coffers where the 40 thieves group from Front Street and the white collar crime folks. That the same folks that cause the economic recession. Go do your homework. They prevented the spread of wealth in Bermuda. In addition to that ask yourself who took land from Black Bermudians, that was the biggest crime ever. Also go review what the OBA/UBP did while in government, they were the masters of cronyism. If you want to talk about stealing from the people, I suggest you review the history of Bermuda and see who the real thieves where? Sotp forgetting facts dear OBA/UBP Trolls.

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          • Mountbatten says:

            SG4U , Here's your chance to explain why our astute government has to borrow such huge amounts of money to keep Bermuda working . I might add that they are able to do so only on the solid foundation and reputation built up over decades of leadership , from guess who ? You're right . The Opposition .

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          • star man says:

            There is so much wrong with this post I don't know where to start.

            So, everyone who disagrees with the claptrap coming from paid PLP/BIU bloggers like you is an OBA/UBP Troll. Nonsense!

            But the OBA have nothing to do with the UBP. The Swan brothers are still desperately hanging onto the remnants of the UBP. The OBA has never been the gov't. So I don't understand your tie-in.

            The PLP have as many members of the UBP in their fold as do the OBA! So stop the dopey labeling... it's hypocritical and gives me visions of the pot calling the kettle black.

            Reaping up the past doesn't cut it any more either. Haven't you noticed?

            You're losing it, SG4Y. Your Party is done. Finished. Out in the cold. Defeated by the OBA - One Bermuda.

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        • Rick Rock says:

          He's got his hundred mill and life of luxury. Now he wants to make sure we're as successful as Haiti.

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    • Shawn Burrows says:

      He's definitely achieved more than most political leaders in Bermuda, in that he bankrupted the country and left a legacy of hatred and racial polarization.

      But that's what he wanted, and it worked.

      Both people you quote here has had a personal relationship with Dr. Brown, making their judgment of him completely subjective. This is not to say that their opinions don't matter, but rather that you cannot use them as proof of his character or leadership.

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      • Specialgirl4You says:

        He did not bankrupted the country, that is your false sense of belief due to your hate for a man that stood up to everyone, regardless. No one could walk over him. Stop your OBA/UBP spin, it becoming old.,

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        • Real Talk (Original #26) says:

          Ohhhhhhhhh snap, you got him there! You're right...Dr. Brown DIDN'T "bankrupted" the country, because you can't "bankrupted" a country.

          He did, however, bankrupt the country, and all you need to do to prove that is look at the soaring national debt, abject poverty, gang violence and widening wealth gap that has turned our paradise into a time bomb of hate and fear mongering.

          Also, if you're going to inanely accuse Mr. Burrows of being wrong, attack his "false belief", not his "false SENSE of belief", because that implies that he only SENSES that he believes it, when based on what he said, he believes it. I understand that throwing an extra word or two in there makes you sound smarter, but you'd be surprised how effective a minimalist writing style with proper grammar can be.

          #JustSayin

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        • Jeff says:

          Thats the problem no one could stand up to him. Paula was waiting in the wings to be Premier and didn't want to ruffle any feathers and if a white boy questioned him, God forbid. It's a bit like a bank opening their vault, sending home the security guards, turning off the security cameras and rolling out the red carpet. You really are blind.

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        • star man says:

          There is no doubt that The Brown One was authoritarian... he'll make an excellent dictator when Bermuda sinks into the Third World. That's the plan, isn't it?

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    • Hmmmm says:

      Are you Brown, Bean or Burt. Time to come clean.

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  45. Oyeah says:

    Ask him where the money went and what part of the platinum period are we in?

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  46. Oyeah says:

    The gangster paradise left behind is a shameful place to have as your legacy and the greased palmed blind followers

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  47. Familiar says:

    I can't help but laugh at what has been replayed there about Ewart Brown. I recall at the time he was in office a phone survey that happened to call me. One of the questions pertained to whether I felt that Ewart Brown was a strong leader or not.

    I answered in the affirmative, and then requested information so that I could lodge a complaint to those who had set up the survey because I viewed the questions as flawed since the answers could be misconstrued as meaning one thing when they meant another.

    Being a stronger leader does not necessarily mean one is a good leader.

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  48. Cancer says:

    Please please don't mention Ewarts name and president OBAma's name in the same sentence. There is no comparison between the two. I would say tho that Ewart had what it takes, the charisma, charm, intelligence and the work ethic. He had the potential to be the premier that could never be moved and he alone could have kept the PLP in power. He cud have stood next to the US president along with Sir John. But we know what they say about power - it corrupts or should I say causes you to do unethical things. Ewart is not disrespected because he was a black premier who was able to get things done. Ewart is disrespected because he didn't listen to the people, he hooked up his friends, he spent all the people's money, brought in people illegally to the country and always had to do things his way. So Specialgirl and Laverne, don't get it twisted because the people on these blogs know that the two of you will support this man to the very end no matter what he has done! Get it straight this man was not good for Bermuda as the island went downhill after he became premier. Lois Brown Evans said it herself - if this man ever runs the island it will go downhill! The flipflop party has NOT recovered
    since! Ewart needs to stay out of Bermuda's affairs because no one wants him around here! Only you blind loyalists do - the two of you included!

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  49. Cancer says:

    Ewart Browns most famous/memorable quotes:

    We had to decieve you!

    It's payback time!

    They'll take you back to the plantation!

    I can assure you within the next three months you will see a hotel breaking ground in Bermuda!

    (I'm sure theres many others)

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    • Maddog says:

      Bob Richards famous quote is' WE REALLY DIDNT WANT TO DO IT THIS WAY,THIS WASN'T PART OF THE PLANS, BUT OUR HANDS WERE FORCED'.

      QUOTE FROM THE ROYAL GAZETTE TUESDAY MAY 17,2011 PAGE 2..

      WHEN THEY LEFT THE UBP....

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  50. Shaking the Head says:

    A large part of the reason IB quietly downsized in 2007-10 was because of the utterances of Dr Brown and David Burch. Since both left office the exodus has slowed. This announcement clearly shows Dr Brown is alive and active behind the scenes and coupled with David Burch being selected as a candidate for the PLP will send alarm bells ringing again. So much for the "we're open for business". I expect that Cayman will be delighted to welcome the 3 as they will do so much damage to Bermuda with the rhetoric. Is being part of the cause of destroying Bermuda's economy a Patriotic Act?

    Sg4 - still waiting for the 3 positive things Dr B did for Bermuda.
    You also stated Dr E Brown is well respected internationally - is that as in Dr Kevin Brown was a well respected doctor in LA?

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    • Cleancut says:

      That's right STH, Col. Burch was immensely disliked by a large segment of our IB community, His utterances were on the ZBM News almost every night, a lot of the Bermuda public have no idea of the amount of damage this individual has done to this country. He waited for the camera to DICTATE!

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  51. navin johnson says:

    Ok so Brown has been invisible since his departure and waiting,so it now seems, for the right time to test the waters....it is announced he is going to speak in Cayman and the response is immediate.....the few loyalists who have made their living off of his scraps leap to his defense and the rest of us who have been, along with Bermuda as a whole,who have been his victims scream for him to go back to oblivion or where ever he has been enjoying the fruits of his labors. Add a separate question to the ballot at the election if anyone wants him to return to public life in Bermuda..

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  52. Color Blind says:

    Some people will always resort to making base comments that deflect from the real issues. Your words are never taken seriously.

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  53. Specialgirl4You says:

    Hey Cancer and OBA/UBP Trolls, the only persons that are twisted are you. You are haters that spill out such nasty and hateful comments daily on the blogs. THis is what the OBA/UBP are about. Well this suggest that the UBP are once again rearing their ugly heads, and nothing has changed. Did you learn anything from 2007? It is clearly evident that little has been learnt. CANCER as you live in your ugly world of Cyber-Space spilling out hateful comments daily,,,,,little hope is left for you. YOu need to return to the country of your birth-right. Stop living in BErmuda and spreading hate messages. Mr.Dunkley, Mr Cannioner, and Mr Barritt please work with your supporters and members....how can persons vote UBP/OBA if these are the kinds of persons associated with your party? Why did they learn nothing from your reply of the Throne Speech MR.Cannioner??

    Many admired Dr. Brown; many saw in his strong leadership style that was rare and uncommon. Ronald G. Bookman- in his article stated that, With the exception of President Barack Obama, perhaps no political leader in the world today better exemplifies that more than Dr. Ewart F. Brown, Premier of Bermuda. Dr Brown was an intelligent leader, no other leader possesses the skills he had. In many ways Brown was born to the leadership mantle and politics. Clearly, his decision to accept the Uighur detainees on Humanitarian grounds, in response to the request by the Obama Administration, placed Brown in an uncomfortable global spotlight. But, for over four decades, he understood the tenuous demands of leadership. And like many of the challenges he’s faced in the past, Brown made not only a courageous decision, but the right decision, as well.

    Larry Burchall (Oct 2010), describes him in an article in the Bermuda Sun as “In essence and summing up succinctly: Dr Brown is and was a strong leader who needed to be matched with a strong staff and support system. He was a man too strong for the times. A mis-match. History records many such mis-matches. This suggests that Dr. Brown was a leader well ahead of his time, and many could not understand this factor. In essence, from 2007 to now, a strong aggressive and intelligent leader who was well-endowed with that rare quality of cold discipline was leading a group of people who never ever amassed the strength to balance and support him.

    While Dr. Brown is respected perhaps overseas, more than at home. Many MPs in Bermuda also admire his leadership and smarts of being a politician. I too have observed that Dr Brown was a strong leader. No one can stand against him and debate on such a high level. While I may not have agreed with every policy or programme he implemented. I am looking at his leadership from a more critical position of discourse. He has achieved more than most political leaders in Bermuda, during his short time in politics than others. He was strong, stood up to anyone, and did not back-up in a corner. People feared him, because of his strong leadership style. His race to get things done for the people of Bermuda may have been one of his short comings. But, he was in-tune with Bermuda, and was successful on many fronts. Say what you like but,… disagree if you must,…. history will record that he did have many political successes.

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    • star man says:

      Getting a little shrill aren't we, SG4Y?!

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    • star man says:

      You're certainly earning your PLP stipend today....

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  54. Specialgirl4You says:

    Pastor, I feel uncomfortable even calling her a Pastor. She should be helping her OBA/UBP Trolls to act in a more loving way, instead of displaying such hate, daily on the blogs. I would think a Pastor would help persons to act better. Stop the hate my people......OBA/UBP haters will find love some day, The message by their leader has failed to reach them.

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  55. Specialgirl4You says:

    "Haters don't really hate you. They hate themselves because you're a Reflection of what they wish to be"----unknown

    Find love OBA/UBP Find Love OBA/UBP......reach out beyond your circle of hate.
    May God bless you all even Pastor Syl.

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    • isn't freedom of speech wonderful? how lucky we are.... says:

      you really don't see your own hypocrisy do you? wow. i am not a hater but i can assure you you are no reflection of ANYthing i would wish ANYone to be.....

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      • Specialgirl4You says:

        The OBA/UBP often are not capable of debating an issue, and not resort to the use of nasty comments. This is were you go wrong daily, especially those folks like Cancer, HMMMMMM, etc.....all OBA/UBP supporters and fans. So the hypocrisy lies within your own party folks. How can one vote OBA/UBP if you folks act in such a distasteful manner daily. Wow it really suggest that the OBA are truely the UBP with a different name. NO change, that one was looking for...OBA/UBP...

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        • Come correct says:

          Are you just f@%king stupid or are the consultants writing this for you? Or are you one of the consultants? Its pointless to even post to you, the saddest part is the your probably being paid per post you write. Oh and once again, I support no government, so you obviously paid if there's even reference to the opposition (no I won't even give you the satisfaction of typing your words blah/blah because repetition does stick in peoples minds) if you choose to reply to this.

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        • Terrence Raynor says:

          I think I saw these words verbatim smeared on the wall with feces at MAWI.

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  56. LaVerne Furbert says:

    From the Bermuda Sun, August 28, 2009

    Pastor Hayward-Harris said: "Many traditional churches are very judgmental and often hypocritical.

    "To be fully Christian, we must fully welcome all of God's children to the table of the Lord - women, ­children, gays, lesbians, ­bisexuals, transgender, those with special needs, those of every race... all have full acceptance into the complete life of our ­fellowship."

    "Our desire for Bermuda is to actualise God's power to transform our often ­divisive and unhealthy ­cultures of hate, self-hate and violence into a community of healing and reconciliation."
    Pastor Hayward-Harris said: "I really would like to see Bermuda move away from its judgmental separatist present incarnation.
    "I just want people to feel free to worship, to have a church family where you're not judged and condemned.

    "I'd like to focus on Bible study and how it relates to daily living in today's world so people are practicing Christ-like living and ­shedding such bad habits as back-stabbing and ­gossip."

    I guess Pastor Syl doesn't pratice what she preaches.

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    • Rick Rock says:

      So what did you mean, LaVerne, when you said that you would never rent an apartment to a homosexual? (Or are you going to deny that now, the same way Cox denies calling herself the Cog?)

      Quite a comment from a member of the Human Rights Commission.

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      • LaVerne Furbert says:

        Rick Rock, what I said was that I would have a problem renting one of my apartments to a homosexual couple. I make no apologies for making that statement. I feel the same way today as I felt when I first made that statement. Thankfully that is not a decision I will have to make for at least three years. Take a poll and see how many Bermudians feel as I do.

        By the way, I haven't been a member of the Human Rights Commission for about three years. Do you believe that everyone on the HRC supports the addition of sexual orientation to the Human Rights Act?

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        • What else is new? says:

          So you're a bigot. Tell us something that we don't know.

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        • Verbal Kint says:

          So, if we took a poll and most Bermudians admitted they were racists, that would make it okay? Besides, you were not questioned about the opinions of the other members, just your own. Really, this is too easy.

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          • Rick Rock says:

            She does make it too easy. It really is a lot like having a debate with a 6 year old.

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        • Mad Dawg says:

          LaVerne, you don't really believe that stuff about " welcoming all God's children" then. For you, it's ok to have prejudices and to discriminate against certain people based on those prejudices. I see.

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  57. Shaking the Head says:

    Pretty clear to see now why Paula Cox won't investigate any overspends or questionable financial dealings that went on under Dr Brown's Premiership as reported by the Auditor General. She is still being controlled. No doubt she is being left as Premier to show a united front until the election, then whether the PLP wins or loses she will almost certainly be out the next day, just like Jennifer Smith.

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    • Rick Rock says:

      Absolutely right. They're currently in the "deceiving us because they have to" stage.

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      The Hamptons is starting to sound like Court Street.

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  58. Cancer says:

    The same two as always.... Introducing blind loyalist no1 and no2 Laverne and Shirley... I mean Specialgirl!

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  59. Verbal Kint says:

    You have reached a new low LaVerne. I hope you're proud of your hatred.

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    • LaVerne Furbert says:

      I have reached a new low? Wow!!!

      Bernews reports on a conference being organised by the University of the West Indies and another organisation at which three Bermudians were asked to present, Premier Paula Cox, "Political Commentator Walton Brown" and former Premier Ewart Brown and the site goes viral with "Pastor Syl" heading the charge. Read the comments and tell me who has really reached a new low.

      I need to check out the websites of the other Caribbean countries to see the reaction from the bloggers there to see how they have reacted to the invitation list of invited speakers.

      Whenever I read the blogs on this site (and others in Bermuda) I always think of the statement made by the former Tourism Minister, the Hon. C.V. “Jim” Woolridge” which was “Those little white boys don’t mind black people being in charge as long as they can tell us what to do”.

      Verbal Kint, would you feel better if the conference organisers had invited Opposition Leader Craig Cannonier, “Political commentator” Larry Burchall, and former Premier Sir John Swan as presenters? Would that help you to sleep tonight?

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      • Verbal Kint says:

        I don't care who they invite, in fact I don't see how I sould care any less. I made this comment in reply to things you said about Pastor Syl. I will sleep well tonight. You would be well advised to stay up awhile and consider how inappropriate it is to attribute things to people which they do not say or think. You should also know that it is grounds to be banned by some blogsites for "outing" people who use pen names. bernews has the choice to allow, or not allow, anonymous posts. The site allows the posting of anonymous comments for some very good reasons. It is a disservice to the site, and those who use it, not to honor that. I have expressed my doubts about Craig Cannonier and my lack of faith in Sir John Swan in other comments. The people who read your posts should know that Mr. Woolridge made that statement to Bill Zuill, editor of the RG. That is quite enough for one day, I think, so I will now retire.

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        • Specialgirl4You says:

          @Verbal Kint, I have difficulty calling Pastor Syl a woman of the Lord., She has not represented the Lord, nor is an example of his good works. She should be leading people in a positive light, instead she comfirms the negative and nasty behaviours of many of the OBA/UBP bloggers on this site. Infact, she even takes part in such distasteful actions. I have never known a child of the love to act in such a manner, more so call themselves Pastor.

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      • RWB says:

        That's what you think of? Some racist ish? SMH! You are what's wrong with Bermuda and the world. KYB!

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  60. Rockfish#1 and#2 says:

    There are lots of questions being asked here, as well as many assumptions being made.
    Why not ask your candidate/MP the hard questions?
    If he/she cannot answer, demand that they find out and get back to you.
    All this venom being spewed, from BOTH sides is a waste of time, and simply stupid!

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    • Rick Rock says:

      You really think an opposition MP can just get any question answered at will? Why would you think that? No-one can get a straight answer out of this lot. They're in permanent cover-up mode.

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    • LaVerne Furbert says:

      Rockfish#1, what could any political candidate, whether s/he represents the PLP, OBA, UBP, could answer for The University College of the Cayman Islands -- in collaboration with the Sir Arthur Lewis Institute of Social and Economic Studies (SALISES), the University of the West Indies, Mona, and the International College of the Cayman Islands"?
      They are the organisers of the conference.

      You people are so pathetic!!

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      • Rockfish#1 and#2 says:

        @ The Defender/8 votes,
        What the hell are you talking about? Certainly not the same as me!

        Excuse me, I am going back downstairs to finish reading an article which explains the ill effects of smoking. Pathetic? Really?

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      • RWB says:

        No. You people are pathetic.

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  61. Rockfish#1 and#2 says:

    @ Rick Rock,
    The candidates represent all parties. Therefore they should be prepared to answer questions when they come knocking. If the candidate represents the PLP he/she can get the answers from his/her bosses.
    No,I don't expect candidates from the other parties to answer the tough questions due to a lack of transparency on the part of the Government. however, I expect them to make every to obtain them.

    Nothing ventured, nothing gained.

    I have my questions ready for all candidates!

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  62. verbal kint says:

    These personal attacks from LaVerne Furbert really need to be brought to an end. They do a disservice to the discussion and call into question the credibility of sites that allow them. I have no problem with LaVerne addressing the topic of any article, but her use of this forum to launch personal attacks is out of line.

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    • LaVerne Furbert says:

      So, Laverne Furbert is the only person that has made "personal attacks". Do you have a problem with reading or with deciphering what you read?

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      • Verbal Kint says:

        I don't have a problem with either, I have a problem with your posts. I don't condone anyone making personal attacks. You have not, in your reply, denied making personal attacks. Instead, you made another one. Keep painting and backing up, LaVerne. That corner is never far away.

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        • Specialgirl4You says:

          @ Verbal Kint, why are you being so bias, and only having difficulty with LaVerne's post? You should really have a problem with those daily bloggers of the OBA/UBP post, as they are most distasteful and hateful. You come across as disingenuous, as LaVerne post are more gentle than those posted by the OBA/UBP fans. I think you need to be honest, and stop defending the OBA/UBP bloggers.

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          • star man says:

            Show me where OBA posts are "distasteful" and "hateful." You can't! The hate, young lady, is coming from Ewart's PLP/BIU Party.

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            • Specialgirl4You says:

              @Star man.......So blind, your not able to see ?, now this is sad, and a real problem. This suggest that you are not even aware of your own negative comments and behaviours, and need some real help. Sad indeed. Why over-look the comments from the OBA/UBP, this tells me that blind-followers do not see their own works.

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      • Come correct says:

        He's/she's saying you are no better than what you b@tch about, she's a pastor, you WERE a senator!

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  63. Shaking the Head says:

    Sg4. Still waiting for you to name 3 things Dr B did that were positive for Bermuda and Bermudians. You've had nearly 24 hours to find at least 1, but so far failed.

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    • LaVerne Furbert says:

      1. Free licensing of cars for seniors.

      2. Free daycare for parents earning less that $75,000.00 per year.

      3. Sylvia Richardson facility.

      4. Lambe-Foggo Urgent Care Centre.

      5. Relief from land tax for people over the age of 65.

      6. The Big Conversation.

      7. Introduced Bermuda to Lahey Clinic.

      8. Introduced Bermuda MRI.

      9. Founded a scholarship fund for Bermudian students interested in careers in the medical field.

      10. Irritated the hell out of people who think like you.

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      • Verbal Kint says:

        He didn't ask you, LaVerne.

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        • Face the Nation says:

          Hi Ms.Furbert , could we please continue with #6 , the Big Conversation . Not Ralphie's ill conceived one sided presentation .I mean THE REALLY BIG CONVERSATION . Like why is this little country all of a sudden since DREB saddled with such a humongous debt of 1.35 BILLION DOLLARS .

          RESPECTFULLY ,

          THE VERY BLACK CONSTRUCTION FUND GUY .

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      • Shaking the Head says:

        So you are Sg4 after all. Thanks for confirming that.
        Back to your list. That's all the things he did as Premier of Bermuda to benefit Bermuda and Bermudians? As a strong black man who got things done and stood up to the white man (your words or Sg4 words - the same)? Really, that's the list? Laughable and pathetic.

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        • Shaking the Head says:

          I was so taken aback by the list I forgot to say, how come you didn't mention his personal great humanitarian act to smuggle in 4 Uighurs - the topic of this thread after all. It would therefore seem that it wasn't such a great achievement after all.
          Oh yes, and by the way, 1, 2 and 5 in your list have just been rolled back because they are unaffordable or have been abused - they were after all merely 2007 election gimics. Finally, let's be honest here, considering the debt going from around $400 million to over $1 billion during this time to pay for these, none of the 10 really benefits Bermuda do they?

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      • WAY 2 SEXY!!! says:

        LaVerne, Bie!

        How u keep such a good figure from literally just sittin at ya computer all day postin that sexy-@ss gibberish?? Whats ya secret???

        AN CAN I PLZ HAVE YA NUMBA?????

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      • RWB says:

        Your #1 positive thing Ewart did for Bermuda has been abused and is now being revoked cause we're broke

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        • The nitty gritty says:

          By far the best thing E.B. did for this country was to step down after being confronted by the British about certain matters documented in the Turks and Caicos Royal Commission report ....uh was I not supposed to know ??

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      • Rick Rock says:

        Wow LaVerne, you must be peed off that the PLP overturned most of Ewart's 'accomplishments'.

        The only things left are the things he did for himself (healthcare related stuff, which he personally profited from).

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  64. Just sayin says:

    LaVerne, you get all gooey when you talk about Dr. Brown, don't you.

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  65. cancer says:

    Hello Laverne - I think your missing the point - however we all know youll never accept any criticism of Dr Brown. The more you defend defend defend him the more he will get attacked. What you fail to realise is that the hatred purportated towards Dr Brown is self inflicted. This is a man that done a lot of damage to the island and left a lot of people in worse shape then when he first came in. We all know the he was a person that could get things done. But its the way he done things. He became known for doing things his way or no way. Then the hooking up with friends and family - then unable to keep made promises. Why cant you realise and admit that this man most times did not go about things the right way. If you were able to give a bit and admit to his many faults then he would not be attacked so much. He left such a bad impression on people that its not only whites, but blacks too that have lost respect. We were warned about "your Premier" by many people and what he would do to this island.

    As I said earlier it was even stated by Dame Lois Brown Evans. If you want to comment on anything address why the 'Dame' would make such a statement that "this man bring Bermuda down!

    Laverne Stop Defending all the time - Then you get upset when your referred to as the "Great Defender" If the cap fits - wear it!!!

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  66. Verbal Kint says:

    Now to get back to the subject. This is brilliant on the part of the people of Cayman. Premier Cox is going to talk about the unassailable model of success built in a debt-ridden, crumbling, Bermuda, Walton Brown is going to make a case for independence, and Dr Brown is going to talk about himself (Not Bermuda) exercising autonomy in the Uighur affair. Then in a week, the representitives of Caymans are likely to say to the International Business Community , "See, these people have lost their everloving minds".

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  67. cancer says:

    1. Free licensing of cars for seniors - rolled back - assisted in making the country bankrupt

    2. Free daycare for parents earning less that $75,000.00 per year - good for single mothers only - assisted in making country bankrupt (who checks the salaries?)

    3. Sylvia Richardson facility. - good

    4. Lambe-Foggo Urgent Care Centre - took away all the elder clinics

    5. Relief from land tax for people over the age of 65 - good - but assisted in making the country bankruwpt

    6. The Big Conversation. - complete failure - how dare you even mention? Back to the plantation - its payback time - Ralph Comm PLP wont even cfm him as a candidate.

    7. Introduced Bermuda to Lahey Clinic - I along with Bermudians went to Lahey before Brown even came back to Bermuda so try again..

    8. Introduced Bermuda MRI.- not the first to have MRI in Bermuda so try again..

    9. Founded a scholarship fund for Bermudian students interested in careers in the medical field.- if so then at least he done something..

    10. Irritated the hell out of people who think like you - HIS GREATEST SUCCESS OF ALL!!!

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    • Specialgirl4You says:

      @Cancer as usual your up to your nasty distasteful self. In Cyber-Space lyching out at the government. Many of your statements are incorrect, but you continue to spin out lies and untruths to make yourself feel good in a sick and sinster way. What is sad you are not even a Bermudian, go home to your birth place, and spin out your evil agenda there. Please ask Syl to bless you, and herself...may be God can help you both......Lord Knows best.....OBA/UBP spin master, sure makes the party look even more attractive than ever. People do not want to be associate with a party if persons like you are apart of it. Hiding behind the safe desk of your computer.....and spinning nasty bad remarks. Please Mr. Dunkley help your folks to come to a higher level of discourse.

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  68. cancer says:

    LOL @Just sayin!!!!!!! HAHAHA!!!!! YES SHE DOES!!!! Try figure that out!

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  69. The Furbat says:

    Lavernius Furbaticus, Latin for the Furbat is a rare breed and is commonly known as a moron. It has a natural tendency to dissemble. The Furbat can be found in its natural habitats, Bernews and The Royal Gazette, spreading misinformation and lacking sense.

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  70. Specialgirl4You says:

    Dr Brown, will give a brilliant presentation. Mr. Walton Brown has great insight into his subject matter and can approach it with great zest and determination. Premier Cox is extremely knowledgeable on her subject matter, and will do great.

    This is a wonderful educational and opportunity to network with key person. I am glad this conference is taking place. I know they will all do well, to represent Bermuda. Great going Bermuda!! I LOVE IT!! !!!

    Brilliant Three.....Brown, Cox, Brown.................

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    • jt says:

      You're correct - no one on Bermuda could match what they have accomplished.

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  71. Specialgirl4You says:

    I can see that the OBA/UBP bloggers have not changed and refused to even try. They have proven my theory by continuing to spill out out such nasty and hateful comments daily on the blogs. This is what the OBA/UBP is about. Well this suggests that the UBP are once again rearing their ugly heads, and nothing has changed. Did you learn anything from 2007? It is clearly evident that little has been learnt. Hopefully, your leader will reach out to you and help you develop a higher level of discourse. It is truly sad, and does a lot to encourage persons not vote for the OBA/UBP. Well done !! This is the only outcome from such negative discourse. Now a picture of another option has just been closed. Sorry OBA/UBP fans, you have turned persons off from giving you a vote.

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    • The Furbat says:

      It is clearly evident that little has been learnt as we dive further into debt. Your only argument against the OBA is with regards to their name. The PLP have turned people off from voting for them with their poor management of our money. However, this unfortunately doesn't mean people will vote for the opposition. A lot of people will just be turned off from voting altogether.

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  72. Shaking the Head says:

    I have no doubt that the Cayman Islands will be treating Bermuda's representatives as Gods. Here are 3, to use Sg4's words, of "Bermuda's best" presenting papers to that play right into Cayman's hands in their public attacks on Bermuda for their purposes to attract business. Now if only Bermuda's PLP Government would wake up and see why this is a bad idea. Isn't it strange that the defenders of the Government on the blogs are always screaming about the damage to Bermuda's reputation by comments, probably read by no more than a few douzen people, yet support these 3 going to a Conference to espouse positions that are their own, yet are being put out as if they give Bermuda's official position. Dr. Brown says "it was the decision of Bermuda" which is of course totally false. I wonder how the USA and UK who are working out a solution to the mess he made and left behind will take it.
    Finally Sg4, in all your postings you have not once, although I may be wrong as most of your posts are very similar, boring and often unintelligble, contributed anything apart from your usual screaming and ranting against the "OBA/UBP". Not very mature.

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    • LaVerne Furbert says:

      Of course you haven't even read the information about the conference. Although the conference is being held in the Cayman Islands, it has nothing to do with the Government of that island. Interestingly there are opposition members from other Caribbean islands that have been invited as panellists, but obvilously there is no such intelligentsia sitting in Bermuda's opposition benches.

      It is truly amazing that the invitation to 3 of Bermuda's finest minds has spurred such hateful commentary.

      I can imagine what the blogs will be like once the PLP wins the next election. As I've said before, I expect that MAWI will be bursting at the seams with the likes of Rick Rock, Cancer, Pastor Syl and others.

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      • Shaking the Head says:

        It is clear why Bermuda's economy is in such a mess if these 3 represent 3 of Bermuda's finest minds. Please explain why these 3 are going to a conference to present papers that purport to represent the official position of Bermuda, when only one is an elected representative?
        To respond to your point about the PLP winning, I actually hope they do. I want to see who the next Premier and Finance Minister will be, and how they will expalin to the Unions why severe pay cuts are needed, failing which severe job losses. It will be announced the next day and is highly unlikely to be Paula Cox, and goodness knows who else in the PLP could even match half of her acumen.

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      • jt says:

        You may need to share your room.

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      • Rummy says:

        "Intelligentcia"?

        Thats a bit below the belt LaVerne but your audience will get it once they google the description.

        Were not all confused negros.

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      • Rick Rock says:

        "Intelligentsia" is probably how they see themselves. Which is why they think they are deserving of the luxury cars, luxury travel on vanity projects, continued wealth-creation for the political 'elite', while they reduce salaries and stop pension contributions for the rest of us.

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  73. Cancer says:

    Specialgirl how many times are you going to use the same old boring terms like lynching, cyberspace, raise the level of debate, trolls? Please find something else to say so people can read to the very end of your dialogue. As for the flipflop party has shown that Ewart is still running the agenda and the Cog does not have any leadership qualities or skills. All she is is Ewarts puppet on a string and does what he says. She still cant stand up to him because its still Brown/Cog administration - all she is is the finance minister... And a bad one at that who has assisted the still want-to-be Premier Dr Brown in putting this country in debt. Also no need to appeal to Mr Dunkley, it's Mr Craig Cannonaire that is the leader of the OBA party and who is the premier in waiting! All Bermudians and people like me eligible to vote should be like OBAma and keep hope alive - vote for the OBA !

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    • Mountbatten says:

      SG4U's Discovery of DISCOURSE and debate is disgustingly and diabolically divisive . SG4U comes off as delusional , depressing , downright dopey and delves into the depths of dementia in defence of disgruntled daydreamers .

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    • Specialgirl4You says:

      @ Cancer, Maybe when you wake up and get the message, that you are one of the major "Cyberspace OBA/UBP haters", somewhat like what happen back in the day.
      How soon are you packing to get your Cyberspace hating self back to your homeland?

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  74. proudbermudian says:

    why oh why do we even comment on Betty who is special girl and laverne? They are both PLP/BIU people don't you know, they will never quit, just to keep your nickers in a twist. Poor us, we should continue and ignor them, as they are both one sided minders. My opinion is that Ewart Brown should not be given any cudos towards any land in the universe because he is just a manipulater and he's proven that over and over again. I sure hope these people are reading these blogs. Laverna and Betty would love us to stop telling the truth, they believe in their ex-premier.

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  75. Cancer says:

    @Shaking the Head - thing is... Flip flop party don't have anyone else capable of running the country. The Cog is the closest thing they have to "good" - as bad and weak as she is as a leader! The problem with flipPLoP party is that there is a lack of leaders among them and this is just the beginning of Ewart trying to return to politics. However I am sure that Ewart still pulls the strings for the flipPLoP party and Paula (as weak as she is) is really is just the finance minister. She has no power over him, Derrick Burgess, or Chris Furbert. Thing is they can't remove her because there is no succession plan is place for the flipPLoP party. There are no natural leaders among them - so there is no further hope with them and they have run out of ideas! People I keep saying be like OBAma and keep hope alive with the OBA! They are the only ones that can save us from the damage Premier Brown and Finance Cog has done! Keep your hope alive for the future - vote OBA!!

    PLP please leave politics!!!!

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    • Shaking the Head says:

      Half of Paula Cox's acumen is not worth a mention. On the sale of 1 to 2 it's not even a 1.
      Anyone notice that there are only 3 pro PLP bloggers on this thread? LaVerne and her son (Trident), and Sg4. Pretty much sums up the lack of support for the PLP, but keep going LaVerne, we all love you really.

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      • Mad Dawg says:

        3 plp supporters on here, and as we all know, they are coordinated and paid to do it. No normal people would come on and make themselves look so ridiculous.

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  76. Rummy says:

    Having read all the garbage here and some valid points, it still amazes me why when I mention Dr. Brown my comments are not publsihed.

    Does Bernews have a problem or is it just an extention of Special girl and crew.

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  77. next? says:

    It sounds like it'll be a great night of stand up comedy! I'd pay to see it.

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  78. Cancer says:

    Hey guys let's not call names of who you think these guys are! Let's address by their preferred usernames and not address them personally. It makes for better debating!

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  79. Really!! says:

    All divisive comments. I am PROUD that Bermudians have been invited to speak at such an event. I guess because these are Black Bermudians of the current government that is going to this event is such a big problem. Well Done Bermuda!! Best Wishes to our leaders. Do us proud.

    #StayPositive

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  80. Larry Scott says:

    To all the PLP supporters, who have tried to get in your point, remember the Dusty Hinds Ad during the 1998 election well the OBA now have a fist full of dollars to run a campaign, and a new Sir, John they will say anything to win the next election the prize is grand, and if they should get you won't hear talk of debt because they will then tell you it is managable and they will get on with their turn and their own.
    So don't try to stop them being what they can't help "Dustys'"

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    • Mountbatten says:

      For the most part the argument is not if the debt is, as you say managable . What the majority are saying , and rightly so is if it ( the massive debt ) was entirely AVOIDABLE .

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    • Shaking the Head says:

      Could someone explain what this mystical "Prize" is that the Premier says we have to keep our eye on, and Larry refers to above? I thought the purpose of a Government was to improve the circumstances of the citizens, not engage in some trivial game.

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  81. The nitty gritty says:

    All this chitchat about some boring conference by people who love bureaucracy, sitting around long tables loving the sound of their own voices, dreaming of what's for lunch, free, then applauding vacuous speeches on the pitfalls of holding onto mother's apron strings too long.
    There are no statues in the park dedicated to a committee .
    Our supposed leaders have an out of control fire burning with armed robberies of the last tourists to visit, shootings, business closures, the attendant layoffs, IB tiptoeing out daily, seniors being treated worse than Westgate prisoners, a broke Government who cannot afford to build one more structure and despite all this we hear not a word of comfort from them that it will be dealt with. When 9/11
    hit, the President got on National TV and reassured the Nation, same again after every national disaster and critical updates on the state of the Nation. What reassurance do we get?
    Raise the Debt ceiling
    Take away from the Seniors
    Vote for us
    We've got more important business to deal with speaking down in our Competitor's Islands about
    a load of sentimental nonsense that won't make a hill of beans difference to anything going on here. Priorities ..priorities

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  82. Cancer says:

    lol specialgirl! Your really funny! Can't believe that you actually believe in the crap thatt you write. Lol

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  83. Argosy says:

    Bermuda is not a country......

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  84. star man says:

    Is it over now?

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  85. Kathy says:

    I am so disappionted in the comments written by those of the OBA. This issue does not required such comments. I do not know if I will continue my support for the OBA, as I was hoping for real change. However, a careful reflection of the comments suggest this may not be the case, guess I was fooled into believing things would change. To write such degrading and bad comments is not required, when making a point. Come on Bermuda, we can do better than this.

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  86. New Kid on the block says:

    As this is my second time reading the comments, I really can't believe what I read. Just as you all state what you what to say in your comments, I expect Special Girl, Betty and Laverne to state what they have to say in defending the politial party they represent. Referring to those who are representing these events, you cannot blame them. Just as you get invited to an event, they to have been invited. It the their privlege if they would like to attend or not. It is so say that we live in a society with negative people. I am so glad I try by best to live a positive life. Just reading your comments there is much bitterness and hate in your hearts. I am sure these very individuals who you are always throwing out negative comments surely rest peaceful at night. You all need to get a life and focus your energy on positive activity in yourself, instead of wasting your time throwing out slendering comments on these blogs. I am looking forward to a better future then to waste anymore of my time on angry, bitter and despressing individuals like you all.

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  87. Kathy says:

    If your attempting to present a reason for all these negative comments by the OBA, this is not good. I am disappionted that your attempting to excuse or even condone such behaviours by the OBA. This is serious, and the real concern is will they always behave in such a distasteful fashion. To day I was talking to many friends today, who informed me that they are considering now where to place their vote.

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  88. star man says:

    "How can you condone and approve of this behavior by all of the PLP bloggers on a regular basis. I do not post on blogs, but this issue pushed my buttons to write something. Also, not everyone hates the OBA or the UBP, others do see them differently, you have only presented your version and side of the story. I do not believe we should hate people, no matter who they are. I can not hold bad feelings in my heart about anyone. You must be willing to accept that not everyone holds the same belief as you. I am extremely disappointed and concerned that people would act in such a manner. I had a strong hope that the PLP Government would have helped to bring forward change, but guess this is not the case afterall."

    Hello Pot this is Kettle....

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  89. Kathy says:

    Obviously, you and others, are not aware of the level of your discourse as being negative and outright wrong. Instead you continue to give poor excuses for it, and compare yourselves to others. Even the tone of your reply to me suggest you excuse the behaviours, and provide unjustifiable reasons for why. There is little reasons for such negative interaction and dialogue with others. A fair debate means listening to others point of view, even if you disagree. Others also have a right to present their position on the issue. It appears that OBA seem to disregard anyone whose viewpoint differs from theirs, and display a distasteful reactions to it. I am not willing to associate my name to that type of behaviour, and feel extremely disappionted in the OBA. I guess it is my maturity to debate an issue without resorting to such a low-level of discussion, that I can not accept your rationale for such bad behaviours. The poor excuses such as who is like more or less in Bermuda, is so silly, and uncalled for, not good enough reason. All political figures will not be like by everyone, as the job can be a unpopular one. I suggest you try being a political figure, and see how difficult the challenge can be. This is not necessary or required. Failure to examine the level of debate for what it is, is the real issue. It is likely the OBA will not be successful, if this type of dialogue continues. Persons are tried of this back-biting and seeking for real solutions, not everyday sillyness of name-calling and attempts to degrade persons. It is most child-like level of debate that I have ever witness. Come on Bermuda we can raise to a higher level than this, I am sure.

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  90. Kathy says:

    Obviously, you and others are not aware of the level of your discourse as being negative and outright wrong. Instead, you continue to give poor excuses for it, and compare yourselves to others. Even the tone of your reply to me, suggest you excuse the behaviours and attempt to provide justifiable reason for why. There is little or no reasons for such negative interaction and dialogue with others. Attempts to hit back at others, makes no sense and no one gains in the long run. A fair debate means listening to others viewpoint, even if you disagree. Others also have the right to present their position on the issue, even if you disagree. But, the debate should be based upon "FACTS". It appears that some bloggers seem to disregard anyone whose viewpoint differs from theirs, and display a distasteful reaction to it. I am not willing to associate my name to that type of behaviours and feel extremely disappionted in the OBA. I guess it is my maturity level to debate an issue without resorting to such a low-level of discussion, that I can not accept your rationale for such bad behaviours.

    The poor excuses of such as who is like more or less in Bermuda, is so silly and not-called for, not good enough reason. All political figures will not be liked by everyone, as the job can be an unpopular one. No one is going to agree with all their policies and decisions they make during their time in office. I suggest you try being a political figure, and see how difficult the challenge can be. This is not necessary or required. Failure to examine the level of debate from an intellectual perspective rather than emotional one, is more effective level of debating. It is likely that the OBA will not be successful, if this type of dialogue continues. Persons are tried of this day to day back-biting and seeking solutions and not everyday sillyness of name-calling and attempts to degrade persons. Looks like your attempting to outrace- the-race of political rhetoric. It is a child-like debate that I have never witness. Come on Bermuda we can raise to a higher level than this..I am sure of it..

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    • Jeff says:

      "It appears that some bloggers seem to disregard anyone whose viewpoints differs from theirs" Kathy I totally agree with you. Special Girl and Lavern are two examples that come to mind.

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  91. Trident says:

    average black bermudians are slowly becoming aware of whats being said about them and their party on these posts. most plp supporters have real lives and have not bothered themselves with but they are now starting to read what is being said, cancer etc think that its bad for them now, it will only get worse, your nastiness only serves to galvanize the plp, remember he plp need only to get their base to the polls, the oba needs to actually change minds. Quotes from cancer and 3264 pastor syl make the email rounds everyday so that people know whats being spewed. Thanks for another election victory. Remember, we live in a global village now, what a handful of angry islanders feel about a global entity like Dr. Brown really doesn't matter hes a successful doctor with a successful practice with successful investments and he became premier of his counry - u can keep griping but u cant unring those bells - he's already won and ur still here gnashing ur teeth. :-)

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    • Tired of nonsense says:

      But in the end it just displays that yuo must resort to such tactics in order to drum up support.

      I mean if the PLP's performance was as great as you profess there would be no need to plunge to such depths (not that it isn't expected from your yourself). But since you can't convince people to vote for the PLP solely based on their actions you must play the race card as I imagine you twist everyone's comment in your emails (what a sad life you lead) into something racial. Cause that's all you got...

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  92. Stuart Hayward says:

    Hey Laverne, in an earlier post (March 10, 2012 at 10:27 am), you made the following comment in response to Pastor Syl:

    "Anyone who is concerned about the environmental health of another person would at least have their roof painted once every ten years."

    On another thread you posted this comment (March 12, 2012 at 6:17 pm):

    "I xouln’t (sic) imagine anyone wanting to rent an apartment from a landlord who has done no upgrades since the apartment was built 60 years ago and who hasn’t painted the roof or the walls since the apartment was built 60 years ago, but the apartments are rented and the landlord(s) make no apology. Desperate times call for desperate actions. If only desperate tenants would speak out."

    Your implication is obvious that Pastor Syl rents out apartment(s) where the roof and walls haven't been painted for either ten or 60 years.

    Just so your audience can judge for themselves how well you do your research and how truthful you are, why don’t you post the number and street address of the apartment(s) you are writing about?

    Surely you wouldn’t be afraid to back up your innuendos with some hard facts, now would you?

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